First I'd seen on what the actual injury was. According to Beilein, it popped out, and then back in and they won't know the full extent of damage until he gets it looked at in the next day or so. Best of luck on the recovery.
From the DetNews:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121216/SPORTS0201/212160321/
tough break
it wasn't a break
can't you read.. it was a seperation.
Go Blue...
there is no medical term
there is no medical term 'separated kneecap'.
If it popped out, into place it's a subluxed or dislocated kneecap.
I'm thinking you missed his
I'm thinking you missed his sarcasm... but I guess that's no excuse for laziness on the injury definition I guess.
Uh oh
You gotta say everything exactly right...
This is the Internet.
Accuracy is everything.
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As knee injuries go, this
As knee injuries go, this isn't that bad. I feared a torn ligament that would have ended his season. He may be back in a few weeks.
He may
dress again in a couple of weeks but I don't think you will see him play meaningful minutes anymore. It is a tough conclusion to come to, but I think that Horford needs to start worrying about the condition of his legs for like, life, as opposed to basketball. I cannot shake the feeling that everytime he plays he is still in pain and that he has suffered to many leg injuries to continue to put a stress his legs like he needs to to play. He is likely overcompensating with other portions of his legs and body to play through pain and with that you risk serious injury. He could help this team a lot but I think he needs to help himself at this point.
Are you in the medical field
Are you in the medical field or is this just some kind of gut feeling?
I'm not a doctor, but a friend of mine is and stated that this kind of injury, while painful in the short-term, does not necessarily produce long-term repercussions if allowed time to heal. Apparently, the injury usually can heal without surgery.
Thank goodness it was only that
I was thinking "ACL" for a few minutes there. Easy for me to say, but I'm glad it's only this.
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Recovery time
Yeah, as long as there was no damage to the ligaments, it looks like recovery time for these types of things is around 4-6 weeks. Certainly better than an ACL.
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Agreed better than ACL.
Agreed better than ACL. However he likely damaged a ligament (mpfl) that could make him more likely to repeat this injury. We'll have to monitor this buy hopefully its a one time thing and a brace will prevent further problems.
Correct me if I'm
Correct me if I'm wrong....but wasn't he alreday wearing a knee brace on that knee.
I don't believe I saw one on
I don't believe I saw one on his injured knee but this is just going from memory of the incident.
He had one.
I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.
Subluxation
Doesn't care about knee braces. The chain effect of a weak VMO muscle is the root of all that is bad around the knee. For those not familiar with it, it is the muscle above the knee and toward the medial side and when you flex or tighten your quads, it is the little bulge just above the patella.
Son had it happen this yr in football and put him on the shelf for last four games. He's just now ready for hoops. His VMO muscles are weak and he's 6'4" and has some serious work to do!
"Dislocated" would be a more
"Dislocated" would be a more accurate term. I can't find it easily, but there's a physical therapisst who posts on this blog and has his own blog with a recent post about patellar dislocation.
Found it...
I'm not positive this applies
I'm not positive this applies for knees as well, but for shoulders, it's typically only a full dislocation if it requires a doctor/trainer/someone else to pop it back into place. If it goes back in on its own, it's usually not a complete dislocation and is called a subluxation. I have more experience with these terms than I'd like to.
Dislocated/subluxed shoulder
Dislocated/subluxed shoulder ended my baseball career. PT's at the time said strengthening the rotator cuff muscles would help, but as I aged and muscles weakened I would have problems since ligaments don't recover from being stretched. Told me I was done pitching.
That was 20 years ago and trying to play in college proved them correct. I hope that there have been enough advances and knees are different enough that Mr Horford can continue to play the game he loves at a high level with rest and healing.
Also...and I'm not doctor...
I think the ability to pitch is an especially fragile one, so to speak. As I understand it, the human body isn't really built very well to pitch a baseball.
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Amazingly for as much as a rap that
baseball gets as being not a physically demanding sport, the human body isn't built to do a lot of the basic movements/skills in baseball: pitching, catching, visually tracking a 100 mph spheroid 60 ft away from you and coordinating your entire body's muscle movements to attempt to contact it, etc.
Pitching injury stopped my first attempt at a baseball career (elbow damage), and then I switched to catcher and wrecked my knees.
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One of the big differences
One of the big differences between shoulders and knees is the "rotator cuff", a thin rim of cartilage which helps keep the ball of the arm in the loose shoulder socket. Most full dislocations also involve damaging this cartilage. That is why it is so likely to happen again. Knee caps don't have this issue. It is all about the ligament and tendon.
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Subluxed knee would be
Subluxed knee would be accurate as it popped back in on it's own. Dislocated is what most MDs and PTs woul call it, though.
Just put it back in place
Should be good to go.
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Good news is that we should
Good news is that we should be fine without him the next five games. Hopefully hes back for the trip to Columbus
This happened to me in a high school football game.
I got chop blocked and my kneecap popped out. When I hit the ground, it popped back into place. It hurt like hell, but I only missed 2 practices and played the next week. Hopefully Jon will be back in a week.
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Reminds me of Cousin Eddie in Christmas Vacation....
Tough To Hear...
...but Horford seems like a fighter and hopefully he is back soon from this. He is a valuable contributor and, if nothing else, he will have the holidays to recover. We only have Eastern and Central Michigan before the end of the year, and Bielfeldt should fill in ably for those games, as well as a couple low-stress conference game at the beginning of January. Hopefully, he's good to go for the game in Columbus.
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Horford just can't stay healthy
We need him; Bielfeldt ain't healthy either.
Tremendous has a good
Tremendous has a good write-up on the injury.
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Sad to hear, but luckily the
Sad to hear, but luckily the team has depth so they'll be able to weather the storm. To have a kneecap pop in and out, though, sounds incredibly painful.
Not trying to sound like a
Not trying to sound like a hardass and I do not know the extent of his injury but I'm just being optomistic, but this happened to me in a game this fall. I sat out the following week because it was a cupcake team but I was back in two weeks. He should be back soon, I hope.
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I believe this is the same
I believe this is the same injury he had before the season that kept him out the first few games. I've read he could be gone until the start of B1G season
The potentially concerning
The potentially concerning thing about this injury is that with it being a repeat occurrence the likelihood of him doing this again goes up.
He almost certainly has torn the Medial PatelloFemoral ligament, which is the primary restraint to the knee dislocating outward. If this problem persists a reconstruction may be neccesary which would be a very lengthly recovery(potentially longer than an ACL).
Let's hope Jon and the training staff continue to work hard and he's back on the court soon
Ugh
Could Santa please bring Jon Horford some better luck for Christmas?
Now he's getting injuries I
Now he's getting injuries I didn't even know existed. Poor guy.
Separated knee cap
The medical term for separated kneecap is:
Lateral patellar dislocation.
And if it pops back into place by itself,
Transient lateral patellar dislocation.
Yeah, the medial patellofemoral ligament/medial retinaculum is at least partially injured. Partial muscle tears of the vastus medialis are also commonly associated. There can also be articular cartilage injury, but let's hope not.
It's not rare, rather pretty darn common. Looks like he was wearing a pretty hefty brace to try to prevent it from happening too.
What he said. Yah, I'll go
What he said. Yah, I'll go with that.
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tough break
the supreme head butt