He already has an undergrad degree from Michigan, so he did at least earn a degree at a "non-shit" school.
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He already has an undergrad degree from Michigan, so he did at least earn a degree at a "non-shit" school.
Here we go again.
Yup. All UM General Studies majors just don't care about school. You got me there. I don't have any witty retorts to out-logic your blanket statement about General Studies students. Now please crawl back into bed and have sweet dreams about diversified liberal arts education issues.
Actually Florida is a pretty good school, and he already has a degree from Michigan.
Honestly, school is what you make of it. Most liberal art's programs are roughly equivalent and there usually aren't curves in most of those classes.
this particular part of any Horford discussion is silly, but all liberal arts programs are roughly equivalent?
I took classes in the best History department in America, and resent your inaccurate statement. You know, we did learn stuff - like how to properly use apostrophes.
I hate to break it to you but unless you went to Princeton, you didn't. I assume you're referring to Michigan and I took history classes there too -- it wasn't anything too challenging if you just went to class and did nothing else. If you pushed yourself, wrote a thesis, were in honors, got invovled -- then yes it was but nothing outrageous. Most of these rankings are based on the quality of research and the PhD programs. There's not much differentation among the undergrad programs at flagship public research universities when it comes to the liberal arts (for the record, I'm a liberal arts major so I'm not just needlessly bashing on them, it is what it is).
It's a typo -- get over yourself.
go to Michigan, and for the record, Princeton was not the best history department in the years I attended undergrad.
It probably was the best history department within about five years of my graduation (my school lost a heavy slate of legends in the field and was a little slow in replacing them).
You may be right about the publics (I didn't go to one), but our history department was regarded as the finest because we had the best damn scholars and professors in the country. With that said, I resent your comment less if it doesn't come from the perspective of an engineer who thinks anything other than an engineering degree is worthless.
Did you ? I graduated from Michigan ann arbor in 93. Its the QUALITY of the student and professor that makes the true difference. Keeping up with them was brutal. Dont give me that at msu is even close. Msu was high school
my best friend in college, who also taught History at Princeton - and had a stint in East Lansing - would share your opinion about MSU.
ain't a shit school. Public schools per US News & World Report---Michigan #4, Florida #14
Plus he'll already have a degree from Michigan.
[edit: somehow missed someone saying almost the same thing already--sorry--though it may bear repeating twice to this myopic dude]
I don't like it. It's not like our offensive scheme has changed and now it doesn't fit his skill-set. He was going to get pt next year. He had opportunities and didn't take advantage. You may get less opportunities but they are there. Oh well, he really wasn't for me anyways...
Horford transfers to florida giving up 30mins of playing time for a... Wait for it... A whopping 15ish mins... Off the bench. Smart.
You are assuming Donovan is actually at Florida. There is a very good chance he will be in the NBA.
How could you possibly know that? Minnesota is looking at him and Golden Stated and Houston look like they will also be looking for a coach. He already left for Orlando once. Donovan has always been seen as a guy would would end up in the NBA.
Like you said, he already said no to the association once.
Chip Kelly said not and we seen how that ended. Guessing Brad Stevens said not to lots of teams as well.
Oh and Donovan didn't really say no either. He actually took the job and then backed out. If he has a choice between a rebuilding Florida team and coaching Steph Curry its an easy decision. Golden State. Indiana could also open if they go down to the Hawks. Those jobs are better than the Florida job and Donovan has clearly shown he wants the NBA. There are not going to be many years where this many good NBA jobs open.
Take a lot of grief for this, but (conspiracy theorists unite) what if he was the one that offered Mitch the joint? Knew he was in trouble so skipped town.
Not even I believe that. The mind is a devious thing sometimes......
Okay, I'm here.....but where's the conspiracy?
I wonder if he was ever tested.
Florida had no interest in him coming out of high school (no other major programs did). The only reason he has the opportunity to do this is because he was injured for a year. Michigan supported him during his rehab so I feel like he owes the school that missed season and shouldn't quit on the team and go to a program that never wanted him in the first place. The whole idea of transferrring to a grad program at another school without sitting out a year is ridiculous. I won't be rooting for Horford.
So Michigan supported him while he was injured; therefore, he should remain at Michigan when he apparently doesn't think they give him the best opportunity to succeed in basketball?
Every school supports injured basketball players. That shouldn't change anyone's mind or glue any player to a school.
If you're of the mind that no player should ever transfer, that's one thing. I understand that to an extent, even though I don't agree. But "Michigan helped him rehab, so he should stay forever and ever!" is kind of a silly thing. There are paid staff members to help their athletes rehab, and EVERY player gets injured to some extent (a rolled ankle, a broken finger, a torn ACL, a bad back, etc.).
I just think he's using loopholes to make a selfish, misguided move. This really should have been his last year. He actually played the year he got injured and was probably close to not getting a redshirt (played in 9 out of 34 games, 26%). It seems like he should be excited to make up for that year rather than ditching the team. The comments he made during that interview don't sit well with me either. If I see Florida play Kentucky next season I'll tune in to watch him get destroyed if Donovan even puts him in the game.
I'm no insider, but I'm further not sure that every school supports all injured players equally (as I recall, isn't that one of the issue raised in the unionization push?). Regardless, that does not diminish your point that Horford does not owe Michigan his last year of eligibility if he wants to move on just because he was supported while injured.
From what I gather, there's a marked difference between basketball and football. With limited scholarships, the early signing period, and the accelerated pace of basketball recruiting, it seems like basketball is much more supportive of injured players. If Michigan had let Horford go (I don't know the exact circumstances, so perhaps I should say that if Team X had let Player Y go because of injury), then Michigan/Team X would have probably had a very difficult time finding someone decent on late notice to take Horford/Player Y's scholarship and playing time the next year. It behooves the team to help players recover.
It's a different story with football because there are 85 scholarships and you have kids flip-flopping back and forth up until the first week of February in their senior year. There are numerous examples of kids (especially in the SEC, it seems) getting injured and then getting dumped.
Every team in every sport is going to provide support for injured stars. But if you're a mediocre 6'10" backup center, you're still more difficult to replace than a mediocre, 6'2", 230 lb. linebacker who plays only on punt coverage.
You are a douchebag. He literally owes you or the University nothing.
Actually, I think he does. He wasn't heavily recruited and Belein gave him a chance. No other schools wanted him, especially a team like Florida. Beilein put together a team that allowed him to showcase his skills at the highest level and it would be nice if he showed some loyalty instead of sneaking out the back door because of some loophole. I would love to know what BS grad program he's taking at Florida.
that McGary owes us. Jon gave us 4 years (of which he actually played 3) and Mitch gave us 2 years (of which he actually played 1 1/2. Jon got to showcase his talent for schools to transfer to and Mitch got to showcase his talent for the NBA.
I don't have any problem with a player going pro or transferring if they sit out a year. I just don't like the grad school rule. What if someone like Lewan graduated and decided he wanted to transfer to Alabama to make a run at a National Championship? What if Horford transferred to Ohio State? Hell, If Horford had a good reason to transfer I probably wouldn't care. He blames his lack of development on everyone but himself.
1) Who is hurt by that and why do you care what other people want to do?
2) I haven't heard him say that.
Michigan got something out him too. Jesus, you think by signing up to play college basketball, he's signing up to be an indentured servant or something.
us exactly what we owe him. And since he took parting shots on the way out the door, however passive aggressive, it would seem those so inclined can have their word too.
Oh really.... then he should shut his and his family mouths, because it is very disrespectful so far. if the gratitude were real then I can assure you he would have behaved differently on the exit. So maybe you are the douche bag.
Burke, THJ, GRIII, and Stauskas for being selfish and going for millions instead of staying at Michigan for 4 years? If not, your statement makes no sense. If so, you are going to face a lot of disappointment because this is college basketball now.
Horford is doing what is best for himself to pursue his dream which is no different than the stars.
AMEN!!!!! thank god there are still some real Michigan fans left in these parts, instead of all the sob sister types.
I will now "transfer" my support to players who want to play at Michigan
opinion, but one I share.
I have little against him - although I strongly resent the shots he took on his way out the door - but I wish him no ill will. And I totally respect his decision - it's his last year to play college ball - why shouldn't he see if he can find what he's looking for? I get that.
But I also feel free to make my own decision which says that he was a malcontent the second half of last season, is unlikely to break through what I think is a hard ceiling on his potential (but again, he damn well might as well try), and that I just don't care that much about him one way or the other.
I hope he has success in life. I'm sure he's a good guy - who among us hasn't had a time they felt slighted on one athletic team or another - but I'm not going to go out of my way to root for him down in Florida.
How often did Young score on post ups because in the games I've watched Florida it wasn't often. He mainly scored on put backs and transition like most big men these days. Maybe Donovan can get more usage out of Horford's post game than he did Young. Good luck to Jon hope he gets what he wants.
as he Liked to bat the ball around rather than rebound, Why didn't he just transfer somewhere like Stanford to play mens volleyball. I really dont see him playing more than 10 min a game next year at Florida.
Best of luck to Jon. It would be nice to have another M player in the NBA. Only downside is that Gainsville is the armpit of Florida, but he only has to live there a year. Good luck!
It is what it is.
Good luck to him. Hopefully he works on his defense and layup technique.
"It's a system that, if given the minutes, any big could have success. I could have had success," Horford said. "I feel like in the games that I was given good minutes -- 16, 17 minutes and up -- I always had success in the system. It's just that those kind of opportunities were so limited."
"I don't think my skill development was limited," Horford said. "What was limited was my opportunity to have experiences crucial to players to gain the confidence and the feel that they need to have success on the highest level.
"The one thing I'm truly lacking, and I can admit it, is experience. From a skills development standpoint, the coaches have done an excellent job preparing me."
So everyone is telling me that Jon, knowing Mitch was leaving and he would get the bulk of minutes at Center, is leaving because he thinks the system isn't right for him? He literally said himself that if given the minutes, any big could have success in this system. Let's get real folks, Jon either didn't like Beilein, didn't like the way he was treated, or probably both. He is taking thinly veiled shots at Beilein and the program because he thinks he is better than he is. Either that or he didn't think he was going to get a lot of time playing this year, even though he said he already knew McGary was leaving. I'm sorry, but just because someone sticks it out on the team for 4 years doesn't mean I need to cheer for him. He left the program and could have kept his mouth shut, but he didn't. He decided to take shots at the program and the coach.
an option...maybe the staff was cool to his return. That might sound as crazy as subs but Beilein has absolutely no patience with moping or bad attitudes.
We're not negging you for not going along with most.
why don't you shoot for just no ill will and not caring either way?