I don't think this harms Ryan. If anything, it raises his profile a bit. I'm sure that anyone thinking about committing to play soccer for Greg Ryan is more than familiar with Solo's reputation.
Hope Solo - Greg Ryan Dispute
Who wouldn't want to shove Hope Solo down onto a couch.
Boom, and mlive level commentary.
right up until she started talking.
I've got something to keep her from talking.
is not known for its fair and even-handed discussions of gender issues in sport.
Hard to say since I wasn't there but.... I strongly agree with your assessment of it as merely sour grapes. Solo's comments towards Chastain during the Olympics demonstrate clearly to me that she likes her grapes sour. If she feels the need to lash out publicly at an announcer for being mildly critical of her play, I can only imagine what her reaction would be to her own coach benching her. But again, I only speculate.
I cant stand Hope Solo. She just comes off as a bitch. She's like the Sean Avery of women's soccer.
4-0 is all that has to be said about ryan's "great' decision.
When you lose 4-0, goalkeeping is usually not the sole problem.
Solo is a little baby, cant stand her. Now I dont agree with putting hands on women but this is fine with me..Solo needs to shut the eff up and just play soccer.
Hope Solo needs to go live in a cave somewhere where she can't bother the rest of us. I am so sick of entitled whining.
I think this is the appropriate place that one should insert the How I Met Your Mother Hot/Crazy index for Hope Solo. Unfortunatley I no understand the interwebs.
I will say first that I agree with your opinion of what happened here, seems like sour grapes indeed, and even if it wasn't, pushing a player down on the couch isn't a big deal in my eyes if they were trying to walk out of a meeting prematurely.
What I really want to say is how impressed I was with one of your American players at the olympic. I am not a big womens soccer fan, but because Canada was playing pretty well I decided I'd watch a bit.
In the uildup to the game everyone was talking about Sinclair and Womback so naturally, not following womens soccer those were the two I thought would be the standouts. For Canada they were right, other than Sinclair there really wasn't a decent player on the team. The owrst part was, none were even good looking.
Switch now to the Americans, who at least had a few hot girls on their team. Womback, on the other hand, got out shined by Morgan. Honestly, in all the games I watched she was the most skillful player I saw and was by quite a margin. In a game where Sinclair got a hattrick, Morgan still had a better game IMHE. Seriously, I have never seen a woman with that much skill on a soccer field, she was impressive.
I didn't missed while the olympics were going on, but I did forget about her just now. I stand corrected, we have one hottie on our squad.
First off, it's Wambach, not Womback.
While Morgan had a decent game against Canada, it's absolutely absurd to suggest she had a better game than Sinclair. Sinclair's first goal was incredible and she was a constant threat that the U.S. had to account for. Morgan was basically absent for large chunks of the match. She played much better in the final (her assist on the first goal was brilliant).
I also don't understand where you get off saying that there wasn't another decent player on Canada's roster. Tancredi provided a physical presence that the U.S. had serious trouble dealing with and had assists on 2 of Sinclair's goals. There were plenty of other players who made solid contributions, but she definitely stands out.
Marta of brazil was by far the most skilled player i've ever seen. She plays the game like a man.
What/where is that from?? I can't stop watching!! haha
Should be "Community" in the Imagitorium? or whatever...
can you please change the title to "USWNT objectification open thread"?
That you figured that out, professor. You are welcome to join the conversation if you promise not to be a buzz kill.
Although I don't really know much about her, she comes off as cocky, arrogant, and disingenuous. I saw her one time on Dancing with the Stars, and she acted like a brat. Like I said, I don't know her, but she just doesn't seem like someone who I would trust in this type of situation.
I guess she got smacked on DWTS too, allegedly.
I wasn't trying to take sides in the he said she said, but it does make one wonder that she seems to say this about everybody. I assume she's not wearing a "push me" sign around.
I'm inclined to believe the things Hope Solo says as I've heard stories about Greg Ryan not being that friendly of a coach.
I'll side with Ryan. It's my opinion that Solo is a fake, selfish b*tch, the complete opposite of a team player. I noticed it at the World Cup last year and it's been confirmed with the olympics.
Starting back in '08 when she criticized her coach for benching her and made some of her teammates upset by it.
She calls out Brandi Chastain for criticizing one of the US defenders during one of the group stage games. Keep in mind that Chastain did this as a commentator during the game, she's payed to unbiasedly analyze the soccer game. Solo calls her out and says she should be supporting the US team, not tearing it down, etc. First off how do you even know what Chastain said on air, since you were in the game, second why the hell does it matter.
If you've seen any of her interviews you can tell that everything she spews is just pure bs. Just seems like everything she says is straight up fake and for show, rather than saying stuff that's genuine like Morgan and Wambach.
Edit: Almost forgot. She also wanted to realease her book before the olympics started, but Pia didn't let her. Not a good idea to release something that you know will create controversy and a distraction for your team right before a huge tournament, but Solo doesn't give a shit.
Based on everything above I am going to assume that Solo exaggerated a little bit about the incident.
This would come up on here. Not really sure how I feel about this but I kinda an getting the feeling that it is ask blown out if proportion.
Moot point... I think she's hot.
Hope Solo's voice is a lot higher and nasally than I would have imagined. Just sayin'.
elite, talented, rich, young player on a high-profile team that thinks she is smarter than the coach.
Ever hear of anyone like that? Dwight Howard? I think we can list a few dozen more men that have done the same thing.
I disagree with most of the comments here. I don't think it's ever appropriate for a coach to put his hands on a player in such a manner. The fact that he's a guy and she a women makes it worst. Please don't justify his behavior.
We don't know what his behavior was. He strongly denies what is said in the book.
But what do you expect him to say, "Yep! I did it!"
No one will ever know the truth about what happened except Hope Solo and... forgot his name already.
And honestly, even they probably don't know the whole truth. Perception and recollection of events is a tricky thing, it's not always accurate (see the psychological research on the reliability of eyewitness testimony), esp. under emotional circumstances.
The reality of the situation is probably somewhere between their 2 stories.
He probably put his hand on her to keep her from leaving the room and because she was so worked up and emotional it felt like a push to her, or that's how she percieved it.
She mouthed off, she shouldn't have.
He probably put hands on her, he shouldn't have.
Both probably acted inappropriately.
In the grand scheme of things, though, this is not a big deal. There are no allegations of abuse or some sort of serious harm being done, and no one will know the truth. And ultimately all this is just speculation..... No one here actually knows Solo or the coach so saying she's a bitch or he's an "unfriendly" coach (obviously a loaded term) and then using that to make inferences about what happened in a private meeting 5 years ago doesn't yield any insight.
And so in the end this tread is pointless. The only person who wins in this is Hope Solo because conversations like this generate a hell of a lot of buzz for her book.
Some people want to castigate her for sharing this story, well, this thread is exhibit A for why she did and why others have done so and will continue to do so. People will always take the bait, get worked up about something controversial, argue about it, and more books are sold.
People are suckers for this sort of thing, it's human nature. Other people will capitzlize on this, it's the way of the world.
the best in the world, many brilliant saves of USA's bacon during recent Olympics final. Kinda full of herself,* quite attractive.
Beyond that, I don't personally feel like we have all the data. I think this probably boosts Ryan a little rather than hurting him. Who knows what went down? If Ryan was being an a**hole, this is a small public lesson--he's hardly going to jail for it. Doesn't seem like the kind of thing you simply invent.
And this is the kind of tidbit you put in such a book, right? To get people disputing on the internets.
*Calling out Chastain was childish, but it's worth noting that she did it not for selfish reasons. . but in defense of a teammate.
I would never do that as a coach. Better to let them storm off and calm down. I coach high school boys and girls FWIW, but I wouldn't do that at any level.
Letting them walk away has to be a more effective response in the long run. They are not off the hook for it but it won't be addressed with such anger from either side.
Hope Solo is a great goalie. She's also incredibly full of herself, petulant, abrasive, ill-tempered, and pretty much a whiney brat. So it is pretty hard to know exactly what went down.
Was it the wrong decision to bench her? Probably. Did she act like an ass when it happened? Probably. Was there some sort of altercation? Almost for sure.
Beyond that it is all he said/she said. Remember, she is trying to sell a book here, so you also have to factor that into things as well. No conflict = nothing to sell.
I know nothing about the coach. He could be a complete jerk too. But Solo does very little in the media to come off as a likable person or indicate that she is very easy to coach. So who knows exactly what went down?
Solo has some great physical tools but she mentally sucks. As a person she fails all tests.
Yea but she is hot. So as a female she passes all tests with flying colors
Can get up and walk away from my meeting anyday...
I am inclined to agree...
Soooo, you will be in your bunk for Solo action?
I have not read the book. Clearly context matters here. However, in my personal experience, there are BIG coaches who abuse players verbally and are known to bluster endless disrespect in closed door meetings. I have had coaches say atrocious things to me, including about my parents (who never talked to the coach in my 5 years) where it was clear the coach was just getting off on being nasty. Looking back as an adult now, I realize that behavior should never be tolerated and walking out of a meeting is best in that case. I wish I had done it. If he is emotional enough to put his hands on her, then he is probably not calm enough to be doing any real coaching.
I appreciate your comment and am sorry you had some atrocious coaching experiences. I too have been yelled at by coaches, but in most instances I felt the yelling was meant for my own good. I recall feeling a lot of the yelling was unfair, but I'm hardly objective regarding those memories. The simple fact is young folks sometimes need to be told to get their heads out of their ass, and those are not always pleasant discussions. And when you're playing on a national team, you ought to be able to saddle up and not complain about a coach cussing at you.*
As you note, context matters. But even if it went down exactly as Solo says, it still strikes me as douchey to bring it up five years after the fact. It just seems like Solo's making a mountain out of a molehill. And I don't think we can dismiss Ryan's denial of the situation out of hand, especially when we know that Solo's got an ax to grind with him.
And I'm confident that if Ryan had acted as egregiously as your coaches treated you, Solo would not have soft-pedalled it. Seems like she would have shared every gory detail. This whole incident makes me think of Solo as the Chico Escuela of the USWNT.
*Regarding the "touching part" - I get that it is not cool. I said just that twice in the OP and tagged this post "It's Not OK To Touch Someone Against Their Will". I'm talking here about the line between being yelled at and verbal abuse. If your coach was debasing your family, they've crossed the line by leaps and bounds.
Color me old fahioned, but I have a problem with a male coach pushing a female player that I would not have with a football coach pushing a defensive tackle.