In honor of Steve Spurrier and facts...

This post is silly.

if Hoke were coaching Indiana or Illinois, sure.

If Hoke previously had a wildly successful track record before coming to Mich, sure.

But he's not, and he doesn't.

He's running out of time. 

As others have said, you can't just gloss over the fact that Spurrier had a track record as one of the best coaches in all of college football just to fit your narrative. If Brady Hoke had a national championship and 7 conference championships on his resume I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I guess Hoke does have 1 MAC western division title to this name, so that puts him on almost the same level as Spurrier.

As for Miles, he has won a national championship and has a consistently winning program going at LSU. He may or may not take the Michigan job if formally offered but do you really expect him to leave behind the good gig he has to come up and beg for the Michigan job when it seems pretty clear various people involved don't want him? Harbaugh and Miles are well-paid, quality coaches, they don't need to offer to walk to Michigan to get a quality job.

Keep making all the excuses you want for Hoke, I am sure you can come up with numerous more examples and numbers to fit your narrative. I don't know what you and the other Hoke supporters are trying to prove. You may really believe he is a good football coach, but after 3+ years, most of us are tired of seeing a sub-par product on the field.

that Hoke should get his recruits to the senior level before passing final judgement. I am not making that argument. Hoke seems to have a fundamental weakness in that he can only coach football his way, regardless of whether he has the players for it or whether it makes sense. I agree with Brian that the punting situation provides a pretty clear view of Hoke's inner workings. A coach that does things a certain way "just because" when all evidence points the other way is never going to be a great coach.

Sorry, Robo, but the reason Harbaugh wouldn't take the job is becasue of David Brandon.  No coach with real options is going to take the job while Brandon is AD.  

Also, do you really want Les Miles to be the coach here?  He has more talent on his team than anyone except Alabama and USC pretty much every year, but almost always has that one "inexplicible loss" like the one to Mississippi State Saturday.  

As for Spurrier, he went to a school that was used to sucking for most of its existence.  What he has done is the equivalent of turning Indiana University into a National Championship contender.  Plus, he gets bonus points for the entertainment factor.

If the narrative is true that Brandon never reached out to Miles then I'm glad. If half the rumors about Les are true - I don't want him here. 

Re: Jim H, dude through Bo under the bus after Bo had died and wasn't around to defend the academics of his Michigan tenure as coach and AD. Now he's ruining his shot in the NFL by arguing with the owner. Screw him, he's as bad as his brother-in-law down at IU.

John H, I'd be open to hearing about if we don't see improvement over the course of this season. There's a chance he could retain Mattison and I wonder if he'd try to keep Nussmeier. Then both guys would be free to hire their position staff if the lower rung guys left with Hoke.

I still think we're underselling the transition time of installing a new offense, especially with a still young (and improving) Oline and a 5th year QB in his 3rd offensive system (4th if you double count Borges) with bad habits in his throwing motion. Let's talk coaching transitions between OSU and the bowl game. 

And if we don't qualify for one of the 700 bowl games available, we can discuss a coaching transition before the OSU game.

Talking with a TN friend at work, our programs are VERY similiar so far.  We win.  It's what we do.  Between 1969 and 2007 we've had one 7 win season and one 8 win season.  That's 21 seasons of 8 or more wins.  The bar has been set and it is set VERY high.

I'm not sure we'd ever give any coach no matter what his history 6 relatively mediocre seasons to get the program back on track.

Every rule has and exception.  Congrats - you have found the exception.

Steve Spurrier walked into a situation with, in all likelihood, ZERO expectations. South Carolina had never amounted to anything as a program, and was competing in the toughest conference in football. Quite a far cry from Michigan, a traditional powerhouse where the expectation is to win conference titles and compete for national titles almost every year. Spurrier could set up shop quietly, amongst a fanbase that likely had (at the start) very low expectations. Lou Holtz couldn't accomplish anything at South Carolina, so I doubt the bar was set really high for Spurrier when he came in.

Steve Spurrier also had the benefit of being a proven winner. I know 5-6 seasons is quite a while to wait for success, but I think fans are willing to be a little more patient with a guy who's won national titles than a guy who comes in with a sub .500 record in the MAC and MWC.

Comparing apples to oranges, my friend.

South Carolina would be the equivalent of winning big at Wake Forest.  In a much tougher conference.  How would friggin Hoke do with crossover games vs LSU Auburn Texas A&M and Alabama?  How would it do with Georgia and Florida (which until 2 years ago was a very tough team)

This is a ridiculous comparison - Spurrier started at DUke and made them competitive in the SEC in his 3 or so years there, went to the USFL and had one of the better teams, went to Florida which until he got there was a major underachiever ala Illinois is and made them champions then went to a sodden program like SC and made them competitive.  In a very tough conference. 

Hoke is below average at much of the small stuff.  It is the small stuff that makes or breaks you.  He was 47-50 prior to coming to Michigan.  Michigan is an elite caliber football school, which should require an elite coach.

 I love Brady as a man and what he stand for, but he is not half the coach The old ball coach is.  Spurrier won a freaking ACC title with DUKE!! really good coaches win everywhere they coach and are seldom average.

 I have noticed that most coaches that have been to a National championship in the last 10 years has either been an offensive guru or a defensive guru. Guys like Saban- Defense, Urbz-Offense, Chip Kelly- Offense, Pete Carroll- Defense, and Gus Malzahn- Offense are just some of the coaches that have been able to play in the national title game.  Other elite coaches around the country like Art Briles- Offense, Kevin Sumlin- Offense, and Mark Dantonio- Defense are getting very close.

 I really think it gives you an advantage if your HC has a true specialty on one side of the ball or the other.  I really hope the next guy that coaches at UM is a true guru in every since of the word like the guys I listed above.  I'm sorry but Hoke just doesn't do it for me and his continued special teams errors and stubbornness to change is just too much for me.  Adapt or die is the way college football is. 

didn't have the winningest program in college football history.

They were grateful to get Spurrier, so they were going to give him as long as he wanted. Expectations were completely different.

Let's see, Spurrier turned around a traditional doormat in the toughest conference in football.  Hoke inherited a traditional power and the resources that come with it on top of having the support the previous coach never got in probably the weakest power conference.  And the results have gotten worse each year.  Spurrier also had a way better resume going into SC.  But when you demand a "Michigan Man," you get what you get and you don't throw a fit.......