An honest debate: Michigan and/or Michigan State?

Submitted by Sir Guy on

I am a Michigan fan.  But, I would like to pose a question to the MGoCommunity.  Is it an acceptable practice to be a fan of both Michigan and Michigan State?  As usual for this site, I would like an honest debate, or a real consensus.  His argument is as follows.

 

I like both Michigan and Michigan State athletics.  My reasons: First, I grew up in West Michigan, and the area does not have a strong allegiance to either school.  Sure you will find the die hards to both schools, but West Michigan does not have a strong allegiance to one over the other.  Further, my parents did not have a preference either.  So, I being the avid sports fan that I am, found myself enjoying every game that both Michigan and Michigan State played.  When I was in Middle School I tried to like Michigan over MSU.  However, I found myself still rooting for MSU whenever they played.  As a result, I took this as a sign and tried to like just MSU, but ran into the same problem.  I still rooted for Michigan.  Even worse, I couldn't choose when they played against each other.  I would have friends ask me, "well who do you want to win then?"  And I would just have to say, "well I really do like both, and since I like both, and I want the Big 10 represented well in the year end tournaments, I guess I would like to see the team doing well have a chance to play in the big game."  Yes, I know what you are all thinking.. This guy is a bandwagon fan.  But let me assure you, its not so much that I am just rooting for the better team.  Its more that I just want to see both teams do well.  And if one of them has a chance to win the championship, you'd better believe I'd rather have atleast one team from Michigan representing than neither.  In the end, I like both partly cause I was not brought up to like one over the other, and also because I love sports and love to watch both teams.  I realize its an anomaly, but I truly have never been able to choose.  Thus, I root for both teams and follow both teams well.  It may be frustrating to the die hards, but its even more frustrating when I am trying to watch a Michigan game or a State game and have fans from either side telling me to shut up because I'm not a "true fan." It may be odd, but I am a true fan of both schools. 

 

And so I ask the community?  Is this acceptable, or must he choose a side?

coldnjl

February 8th, 2013 at 10:45 PM ^

If you don't like sports, it is totally acceptable to me to like both...however, if you love collegiate sports, you need to have a rooting interest here...no Terry Foster fan of the state BS

MGoSoftball

February 9th, 2013 at 2:12 AM ^

This has been debated several times over the past few years.  The majority of Michigan Alums do not consider moo u a rival.  They could care less if the transferred to the MAC.  The casual Michigan fan believes moo u is a rival along with ohio.  So it is a matter of perspective.

I do not believe moo u is a rival.  I think a school can have only one rival and a little brother.

vablue

February 9th, 2013 at 3:24 AM ^

To say you can only have one rival defies all logic.  The fact that you call them little brother and that Hoke has a clock up counting down to that game should speak volumes about whether it is a rival or not.  Certainly not the same as Ohio, but still a rival.  I seriously question the statement that "the majority of Michigan Alums do not consider moo u a rival."  I honestly don't know one person I went to school with that would agree with that statement.

M-Wolverine

February 9th, 2013 at 11:38 AM ^

Probably agree more ith Bo than you. And while it's equally non-quantifiable as what you claim as a statistical fact, it's more likely. So what happened, did a Spartan steal your bike as a kid? Were you scared by Sparty as a baby? Because for someone you don't consider a rival, you spend a lot of time heaping disdain on them. If they really weren't a rival, you wouldn't care about them. You'd treat them like Purdue. Methinks you doth protest too much.

MGoSoftball

February 9th, 2013 at 1:57 PM ^

That is just crazy-talk.  I had told the story before about my connection to moo u.  I could care less about them.  

But the fact remains that most Alums (notwithstanding sample size) do not think moo u is a rival.  The number gets better for those that live out of state.  The majority of casual Michigan fans that live in the State of Michigan thinks it is a rival.  Everyone has an opinion, no biggie.

Lampuki22

February 8th, 2013 at 10:49 PM ^

however as a Michigan resident and dad of three somewhat invested in the Michigan Education Trust (prepaid college tuition) my fellow-Michigan-Alum-wife reminds me to tone down the Sparty bashing because there's a good chance one of them will end up there.

I would prefer they join the circus.

Mabel Pines

February 9th, 2013 at 11:50 AM ^

needs to step it up and start helping with the homework.....

 As a fellow MET investor, I know that you do get the $$ back at the average Michigan tuition rate at that time if your child chooses to go out of state.  So MSU is not the only option... 

bringthewood

February 9th, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^

Neither of my kids would even apply to MSU as a backup plan, both chose GVSU as a backup - which is nipping at MSU's heals academically speaking.  One of my kids is at Michigan after a year at GVSU and the other will be at either Michigan or GVSU this fall.  So feel free to bash away!

I tell everyone considering MSU to look at GVSU instead.

A Nonymous

February 11th, 2013 at 9:41 AM ^

That's like saying MSU is nipping at M's "heels" academically.  MSU is a top 75 National Institution.  In a vacuum MSU is a good/great school.  When you have a one of the best (top 20?) schools in the country less than an hour away I can see how it is overshadowed.

GVSU is #35 in Midwest regional schools.  Behind Kettering, Mercy and M Dearborn to name a few. 

Depending on your major or desired college experience, GVSU may be the right choice over MSU.  GVSU is a fine school in a nice area.  I, along with most rankings, would disagree that MSU and GVSU are on the same level. 

WingsNWolverines

February 8th, 2013 at 10:53 PM ^

sleep around with Sparty whores. Worst mistake I ever made. No I didn't get an std thank god but something else. Sparty sluts are pretty to look at but buddy if you ever plan on bedding one which judging by how whorish their coeds are odds are it will happen if effort is given be prepared to play against any team that MSU has ever "hosted" To answer your question no. You can't wear green and white and maize and blue UNLESS like me you have some alumni from one school in your family then I can kinda see it but as for being a fan of both I can't imagine it. Why would you want to be hated on both fronts?

Mr. Yost

February 9th, 2013 at 10:59 AM ^

Cleveland State - can't do it.

EMU, absolutely. Sometimes I daydream, what if we could "make" the guys who won't pan out at Michigan play there. Or just the guys who haven't played much (Wilkins, Jones, etc.) how good would they be?

Anyway. To answer the OP question...NO.

However, I found MSU a lot more tolerable pre-Dantonio. I hate them just as much as Ohio now because of Dantonio. Before him, Ohio was always on another level of hate (at least in football...maybe not basketball).

M-Wolverine

February 9th, 2013 at 11:33 AM ^

"6 weeks 2 days ago I sat next to a DAMN attractive hot blonde and her friend, got her number after and I'm going out for drinks with her on Friday. This was in my opinion a good move to go see this. To get ass you got to show class lol jk but seriously I don't regret it at all. Her name is Nicole btw and goes to Ohio U. So yeah. Neg me all you want in the end I won :p" http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-go-see-les-miserables#comment-1852971

ska2682

February 8th, 2013 at 10:56 PM ^

I have been a lifelong Michigan fan. My parents raised me the right way, hate Ohio, hate the Domers, and hate Staeeee. I have tried to instill that same hatred for things not maize and blue in my own two sons. Having said that, I can see where he is coming from. I don't agree with it, but I can see it.

W0lv3r1n3

February 8th, 2013 at 10:57 PM ^

If you're not an alumni/student of either place, I'd say yes. I know plenty of rather serious sports fans who graduated from places like CMU who root for all the Michigan teams. A lot of people enjoy seeing the state of Michigan (or by extension the Big 10) do well against teams from other places, especially the south. 

M-Wolverine

February 9th, 2013 at 12:08 AM ^

And not really a die hard fan of either team, but just a general sports fans. I mean if you have something like the NBA Ticket and live in the same city as your team, you obviously just like to watch the sport. But those Ames it's natural to root for someone. So if you like college football but went to Wayne State or something and have no family history you could just want to see te local teams do well. But again, you're not really a fan of the teams per se. Like the Chicagoian who roots for the Cubs and White Sox. Or a Jets and Giants fan. Sports fans, locl fans, but not fans of the team.

Space Coyote

February 8th, 2013 at 11:00 PM ^

I don't think it's acceptable to be say a die-hard Michigan football fan and then a die-hard MSU basketball fan. But if you're a very casual sports fan and have no affiliation with either school, I don't see it as a big problem. It's the same reason most people root for the Lions, because it's close. I can understand someone that isn't terribly invested to just root for the Michigan teams.

But again, if you consider yourself a big sports fan, you can't just bandwagon your way to whatever makes it easier for you. That's not acceptable in my mind.

Sir Guy

February 8th, 2013 at 11:06 PM ^

He is not a casual sports fan.  He has been a die hard michigan sports fan his whole life.  For example, he has always been a huge fan of the pistons, lions, tigers, and red wings, but could never choose between Michigan and State.  Here is the problem: he argues he is not a bandwagon fan because he still roots for both teams even when they are not doing well. 

I personally think it's ridiculous, but thats his view.

Space Coyote

February 8th, 2013 at 11:17 PM ^

Maybe he's the middle child?

Anyway, I know people that are the same way, and I don't really get it. I mean, I guess I can see not hating both schools (if you have no affiliation but have always lived in Michigan), but I feel like you still have to at least pick a team to get behind more so than the other. 

But as long as we all hate Ohio State, then I guess at least we have common ground.

BlueDragon

February 9th, 2013 at 1:51 AM ^

Anyone's sports preferences are completely arbitrary. Select your most pertinent facts and your team loyalties will follow naturally. For example, I cannot stand Tebow and therefore dislike the Jets as long as he plays for them. As soon as he leaves, my feelings towards that team will veer back towards neutrality over time. It can be something as random as the colleges more of the starters came from (assuming no fantasy football incentivization).

The Michigan connection and our human interactions have much more influence on our team loyalties than many realize. If I see some cutie in a Kentucky hat with a big smile walking my way, well, my comments and body language on Calipari or some other aspects of their program may become more admiring and impressed than skeptical and admonishing. If this friendship blossomed and we became good friends over time, my overall attitude towards UK might shift. It would have to be a very special sort of friendship to justify honestly diluting my loyalty in that way!

That said, I have seen cars with Michigan and Ohio State magnets, equally sized and equally prominent. Stranger team fusions are possible than Michigan and State.

TIMMMAAY

February 8th, 2013 at 11:01 PM ^

No. There's this guy that I work with in a round about sort of way, who proudly proclaimed to a rather large group of people (mostly M fans) that he's a "Michigan fan" except for when they play MSU. I smh.

I can't respect that.

Blue_4_Ever

February 8th, 2013 at 11:07 PM ^

Has final four rings with both schools! Not sure how many can say that! Played for Michigan, and is now on the coaching staff at State! Sure, he gets some shit for it...

DowntownLJB

February 8th, 2013 at 11:15 PM ^

My nearly 80 yr old dad, lifelong Michigander and sports fan, would probably say something similar. He doesn't have a college degree, and if pressed would probably admit to a small preference for UM (probably in part because of my Sparty bro-in-law who can be the classic insufferable spartan fan), but he'll cheer pretty equally for both schools as the local teams. I was really raised the same way, and don't hate state teams anywhere near as much as I've learned to hate staee fans, though I absolutely bleed maize and blue.