Never mind, looks like you fixed the embed on the post. No need to have it twice.
Hoke's statement on Jerry Montgomery & replacement open thread
I like Hart and all, but I'm hoping for Roy Manning.
obviously good history with UM, was RB coach at cincy last year and they led the BigEast in rushing, history with hoke. was just hired as RB coach at Northern Illinois (didn't go to Tenn w/ Jones), so would likely be amenable to a return.
this is the first that i had heard that Montgomery was more in charge of the DEs, but i guess that makes sense. maybe a guy like manning who played a lot of OLB and had a taste of theh NFL fits pretty well.
I want someone who can develop an edge rusher. A feared sack master.
I find that interesting, can you elaborate?
He's young, has NFL experience, coached at a couple decent schools (Cincinnati, GA at Michigan), played OLB/DE, and played at Michigan (won award for best linebacker on the team). I don't think there's any better resume someone could have without being overqualified for a position coaching job. Obviously, the coaching staff would have to mesh personality-wise, which I can't speak to, but most of the ingredients are there.
I am aware of his credentials, I should have worded the question better, why do you think he is a better choice over Mike Hart?
He has a lot more coaching experience than Hart, and he would be a defensive coach replacing a defensive coach.
If we hired a running back coach, I would much prefer Wheatley to Hart.
But from a recruiting standpoint I would take Hart… dude has the smile and the personality to be great in the living room.
You think Hart would be a better recruiter than Wheatley? Sure, Hart has a great personality and would sell the University with enthusiasm, but that's about it. Wheatley spent a decade in the league and has a lot more coaching experience. He'd be leaving an NFL job to come here, not EMU. He could not only sell the school, but also himself as a coach.
The same reasons that WolvinLA2 said. Defensive line is one of the most technical position groups on the field. I just don't think you can really fake it at that position. I'd rather have a guy who has actually used pass rush moves, leverage, etc. than a converted running back/running backs coach.
I love the Manning suggestion. While others have comments on Hart being good on recruiting due to his personality, in my opinion Manning would likely bring the same. I had classes with him while he was playing and he was incredibly social and a really nice guy. Always talked to people and got along with all the different groups. Great guy and would love to see him here.
...but I think maybe between them Hoke and Mattison might know a lot of really good D Line coaches. Maybe even a few we haven't heard of. Strange as that may sound.
Highly doubtful. Just like we know as much about who Michigan should recruit as the coaches, I'm sure we're at least as dialed in as Hoke and Co. to possible coaching hires.
And then Hart can jump right in, although Tyrone Wheatley may have something to say about that (though now that he's in the NFL with the Bills, who knows)
oh hai guys
before you moved down the street. "Future Head Coach at the University of Michigan". I'd start walking now.
for coaching acumen to date its Stoops>Hoke; but for "storied program" status Oklahoma definitely is not >/= UM.
It's what you have to say when you join a new staff- think about any new Michigan coach and how they speak about our history (FERGODSAKES!!!). I think everyone said the right thing in this situation.
Yes UM>Oklahoma in most peoples opinion- and darn near 100% on this blog- but it's not totaly crazy. Oklahoma has a very storied program- plus, much of Michigan's history tat makes our program so storied isn't remembered by this generation of students grandparents
It's pretty clear it seems liek the move was a good one for him- and I wish him well at Oklahoma- I think everyone handled the situation well ans did and said all the right things.
Record set for consecutive victories back in the 50's, Huge success in the 80's, a more recent national title season, a successful program with a sold out huge stadium, a well known rivalry with another big school that most sports fans will take an interest in. I'd say the programs are equivalent in the eyes of most fans.
Michigan has great tradition, but to say it eclipses the tradition of Oklahoma is a bit of a stretch.
How was Rabbit21's comment flamebait? He used facts and loogic to make a point. It may not be a point you like or approve of- but it wasn't made maliciously, and it was 100% in context of the situation being described...
Besides, he didn't offer the rest of us a beer.
Don't get hung up on up/down clicks. It does not take any effort or sacrifice to click flamebait, but if someone isn't out on a limb, the majority will speak via their clicks.
True- likely not worthy of getting upset about. It's frustrating because he made a very good point/arguement- and it would be missed if it not up-voted again to make it visible without clicking.
Silliness and pettiness with downvoting can really take away from a blog though. ITts pretty immature to downvote if you say another school has more tradition/success than Michigan- plus it plays into all the bad stereotypes of Michigan fans...
If you change the threshold from 0 to -1 you see all of the comments without clicking. Just an FYI.
Granted I would say a majority of commetns that get downvoted are not worth the read- you do get a fair amoutn of quality stuff downvoted for no good reason, and of course a few laugher comments that can be funny...
No problem backwards MGOBLOG.
I thought he was saying GoLB. I take back all the nice stuff I said.
Speaking of which, do you know you are wearing a walk-on's number? (sorry, couldn't help myself).
where you are or where you are from. Don't for a minute think the tradition isn't strong in Norman. I think you would find them saying the same thing relative to Michigan.
OK since 1950: 7 national championships: 1950, '55, '56, '74, '75, '85, 2000, plus three additional appearances in the BCS NC game for the 2003, 2004, and 2008 seasons
UM since 1950: 1 national championship in 1997, and no BCS title appearances
OK: 5 Heisman Trophy winners since 1950
UM: 2 since 1950 (3 overall)
OK: 152 All-Americans in program history
UM: 127 All-Americans in program history
I'm not posting these facts to push a view that UM's program is second-rate in comparison to Oklahoma's (our history and tradition speak for themselves) but the notion that all college football fans outside of Ann Arbor—the vast majority of whom were born after 1950—automatically believe that our tradition and achievements are inherently superior to Oklahoma's is just plain dumb.
Good post, but you may want to edit your title with a "<=" sign instead.
if you leave michigan/great lakes region many people would disagree with you. if you examine the records, bowl victories, national championships, etc. you would see not too much objective advantage for michigan over oklahoma in football.
michigan is respected in big 12 country but usually only the fans of each team put their school on the "storied program status' pedastal.
I thought he was responsible for the whole d-line. If that's the case, it's another reason why I could see why he left.
Hoke and Mattison took the DTs. This is why people don't think we'll be grabbing a DL coach.
Was that Montgomery had the 3 techs and 5 techs. Hoke had the nose tackles. And Mattison had the rush ends and Sam backers. Could be wrong though.
he just coached DEs? i thought montgomery was a great coach, but our DEs were not a strength.
There wasn't a whole lot to work with...
And our weakside ends have been average, but our strongside ends (Van Bergen, Roh) have been excellent.
It seemed to me that both Van Bergen and Roh grew enormously as players likely due to coaching, whether from Mongomery or the other two.
you don't think our weakside ends have been below average?
Brennen Beyer has been less than average. Clark, Ojemudia (in limited time), and Roh (in 2011) were about average.
I'm kind of hoping for another OL coach so that one of Funk and the new coach can take the tackles and the other can take the guards and center. I'd really like to see this happen so that we can get our running game into gear.
This bothered me:
...the opportunity to join Coach Stoops and a storied program like the University of Oklahoma was one of them."
Michigan is pretty damn storied, you know? I took it to mean that Michigan wasn't storied, but I suppose that's probably not what he meant. Rubbed me the wrong way this morning for some reason.
this is what's called "coach speak"...don't worry too much about it. He has a great opportunity to further his career, wish him the best and move on.
this is what's called "coach speak"...don't worry too much about it. He has a great opportunity to further his career, wish him the best and move on.
You know, other programs are allowed to be "storied," too. And the guy was just hired by OU, of course he's going to say nice thing about them. Don't be so sensitive. "That guy just said something nice about another school! How dare he shit on Michigan like that!"
People need to stop dissecting PR speak. Moving to OU was clearly a good move for Montgomery, given how UM's coaching staff operates (i.e., Montgomery had to share position coaching with both the DC and the HC). Plus, Stoops has a good reputation for building a coaching tree. Not a bad move at all for him.
...Michigan is now a football program whose assistants are good enough to get poached by schools like Oklahoma. Given that Hoke and Mattison are both Dline experts, losing Montgomery may be a blessing in disguise.
Would it have made you feel better if he said, "I'm getting a significant pay raise and will now be coaching the entire defensive line instead of only 2 guys?"
montgomery is addressing the fans of his new team not his old team.
I like the idea that Roy Manning could come in and coach on that defensive side of the ball, but I'd really like to see Hart or Wheatley come in and start their Michigan coaching career. I'm just partial to those guys, but I know that we probably need another coach on the defensive side. I'm not sure that Jackson is close enough to the end of his career that we need to bring his replacement on board yet.
Glen Steele would be nice. I'm not sure of his coaching resume.
What about Steve Morrison? I think he's coaching LB's at Syracuse. Does anyone know how he is as a recruiter?
Soup Campbell would always be nice too. It just seems like it would be harder to fit an offensive assistant into the mix at this point.
Guess that depends on your definition of "excellent".
With Hoke coaching the DT and Mattison having his hand in on a little of everything, I'm sure he just wanted the opportunity to coach more. He is also going to be the Recruiting Co-Coordinator at OU. Just a better fit for him personally.
I don't see how they could hire anything but a D-Line coach. You can't have your HC being the only D-Line coach. He has too much other stuff to worry about.
I have read on this here blog that Mattison would coach the DE's, while Hoke would coach the DT's.
Mike Trgovac is coaching D-Line with the Packers. He played for Bo in the 70's, coached as a GA at Michigan. Who knows if he would even want to come to Michigan, but maybe Hoke can work his magic.
He sounded an awful lot like Hoke with some of those answers. Best of luck to Jerry moving forward, and I'm sure it won't be long before he's a DC somewhere.
Jerry Montgomery could stand in for Hoke. Of course their voices are different, but their words are the same. Montgomery thinks it is a good move for him, and it isn't all bad for Michigan.
Wait, did Hoke just mention coaches leaving for the NFL? Maybe Peppers was right. /s
I can see why he left. Mattison and Hoke both debuted and DL coaches. They coached up our DL while Montgomery watched and learned. He probably felt like an apprentice to them, which is a good thing of course. But he probably thought it was time to coach a DL of his own, and Oklahoma is a good school to coach at. He will be missed as a recruiter, as I hear he was a great one, more than as a coach. I would love to see Wheatley join the coaches, but he can only coach what he's qualified to coach, which is not DL. So unless there is some shuffling around, I dont see him getting an opportuninty right away. His kid looks like hes going to be a beast. If we hired Ty im sure his kid would follow. Are there any Michigan men out there coaching DL somewhere? Or who do we think the candidates will be?
I'd like to see them find another younger guy like Montgomery who's a really energetic recruiter. It will help give the staff some balance age-wise.
I could see Charles come in and coach LBs or DBs
He wants to quit the NFL to recruit high school kids.
I doubt he wants to end his NFL career now, but I see him coming back to UM post-NFL, whether its to get more involved with Mott, or coaching the secondary/recruiting. Woodson on the recruiting trail would be pure gold.
I wish. Imagine being a high school football player and have Charles Woodson saying he wants to coach you. He wouldn't even need to speak.
be someone with no ties to Michigan, must like Montgommery(Iowa/Wyomming) who they have had on a short list for some time.
Hoke and friends would always have a list of possible coaching replacements as much as they have list of possible recruits.
Regardless it will be a great hire withTremendous upside fergodsakes!
deal? You are the first to report that!
Stoops was smart to get Montgomery, and it was probably a good move for Montgomery to go to Oklahoma. Greg Mattison will probably stay as the DC for at least another ten years, so it's not like there is going to be a lot of upward mobility for Montgomery in Ann Arbor.
As for a replacement, I am not even going to speculate. I would rather just trust Brady Hoke to get the best person in for what the program needs right now.
10 years is quite optimistic.
With Morris coming in and looking like he needs a bit of seasoning - anything other than a proven QB coach will be a let down.
I'd like to see someone come in on the offensive side of the ball and boost up the offense brain trust...i.e. prod Borges to be less conservative on offense
Jim Bollman is not walking through that door.
Borges is not conservative...
Just maddeningly inflexible.
since hoke and mattison are already there ....um should focus on getting a great recruiter as Jerry's replacement. One who can get 1-2 elite recruits with him.
Although, this doesnt mean that UM should ignore the coaching ability altogether.
I didn't realize Montgomery wasn't really the "d-line" coach. I thought Mattison and Hoke helped, but it was his baby.
Makes sense to go to a prestigeous place where you get more coaching responsibility and control to go along with a hefty payday.
any takers for greg robinson? :)
i heard hes coaching the defence of a hs in california....
Can we get Tosh Lupoi? That'd be nice.
as a package deal. Come on home Tyrone!
I assume that if he perceived he had a shot at upward mobility on the defensive staff, he would have stayed.
I look at this as a positive. The defensive staff is otherwise solid for years to come.
Then again, I'm the King of rationalizations.....
I think they should offer Dantonio the job.
Never hurts to reach out, and you never know....
What about Loeffler? I don't know if he'd settle for just a QB coach position, after being OC at Auburn, but I'd like to see him come back.
I think it would be better to see what kind of success he has as offensive coordinator at Virginia Tech. If he's successful we shouldn't have a problem luring him back down the line. And if he's super successful and manages to get hired as a head coach somewhere and does well, he becomes a potential candidate down the line (like 10 to 15 years from now) to be the head coach when Hoke retires
I wonder how big of a dump truck worth of money it takes to pry Loefler away from VT and lure him to Michigan as the QB coach and Assoc Offensive coordinator. He did some good work developing QBs and we all love the passing spread he helped deploy for the Gator Bowl was excellent. His actual OC track record is mixed, but it remains to be seen how much of that was due to Auburn being a tire fire. Bring him in, let Al focus more on the scheme, and when Al does retire, Loefler might be an OC candidate.
Loefler aside, as he likely isn't taking the demotion as much as I dream, spend the big money and get a QB mechanics expert who also has a good rep as a recruiter. Free Al up for more general duties. Or someone to be a TE coach and bump Ferrigno over to full time special teams.
This. Bring Loffeler in, groom him to be OC after Borges. We should also be grooming a Mattison disciple.
Have sworn I have already seen Roy manning on the sidelines wearing a headset, guess it just looked like him...
He was a GA under Rodriguez.
Be what I was thinking of, although I could have sworn Hoke high fived him just after Avery intercepted Miller in 2011, must have been another guy...
You're right. My bad. He was a GA under Hoke in 2011. I got my years mixed up. Time flies.
I saw a few Big 12 games this year .... and I don't recall seeing any defense ?????
Sure hope Mongomery wasn't sold "a bridge in Brooklyn"! I'll take Hoke's defense over Stoop's ANYDAY !
Good, young coaches want to come to Michigan and have "...learned coaching technique from Greg/Brady" on their resumes.
Here's to wishing Jerry lots of MGoSuccess!
My gut says recruiting guru with southern ties, but isn't that what everyone wants? Normally I'd say let's go after another D-Line guy, but I feel pretty good with Hoke and Mattison keeping a close eye on them for the foreseeable future. If we did go after another D-Line coach, preferably someone with a good track record with defensive ends. The biggest thing we were lacking in this year on the D-Line is pressure on the QB.
I forgot that Montgomery and the Stoops brothers are Hawkeyes. Montgomery probably had a relationship with them stemming from their mutual Iowa connection. That kind of explains things.
Is Jim Tressel available??????????
Greg pulled his Baltimore strings and convinced him to retire so he can teach Jake Ryan and the rest of the linebackers how to dance.