I might have crapped myself.
Hoke's Post-Game Locker Room Talk
why? He spoke reality and said they will go back at it next week even harder. There was no angry tone in his voice that would make me feel like Bobby Knight was about to hit me. I expect a big winn at U-Conn but the issues this team has is not solved within a season. Both lines might be 2 years away from what is necessary to be "Big 10 dominant". I am not talking nationally dominant - I am watching a Purdue defensive line on a very bad team that in the 1st half is smacking a "stout Notre Dame OL" around. We were not competitive in that battle last week and we can see why in the CMU and Akron games. When MAC OL's neutralize us, we can see we made ND look good, and even sad sack teams like Purdue have units better than ours. No speech or "work" at practice in a week or 3 weeks is going to change a lack of talent or talent that is (hopefully) loaded in the freshman or RS freshman classes.
Season over. Let's just all die.
The team can improve quite a bit in three weeks. It's rather condescending of you to totally dismiss the team because of today.
I would prefer some fury over this speech. This was disturbingly calm.
No. Devin can cover up a lot of deficiencies. He will. He wont play this bad the rest of the year, or if so maybe once more. Devin alone neutralized all that pash rush ND created last week, he was friggin splendid. He can do that in many more games this year, because he has that much talent. But if he is average this team is going to be in dogfights with names we are crossing off on the schedule as "meh" and the team will struggle to win in November. He is the wildcard, more so than most QBs. Yes I would have liked to see Hoke mad more but I dont know if he has that gene in terms of outwardly expressing it. But whatever the tone, again it doesn't fix talent. I think what can in the near term is Mattison seeing what he has and admitting to it internally and now adjusting the scheme to that talent and its strengths and weaknesses. Some of this DL stuff seems more like an open tryout to find the best players in relatively vanilla schemes (w/ AKron and CMU)
This has worked well in so many threads today. Thanx for the continued levity.
Haha nice meme! You're a joke.
You're right. Thanks for the analysis. The culture on this blog after a disgusting performance isto pretend like everything was an aberration and that the coaches will straighten everything out. That's how it was here for three years of RR. It's fair and it's entertaining to deconstruct the team's issues, especially when they are abundant like now.
This post is spot on...
I will also add whenever UM loses an important recruit (particularly DB's) we like to say "no worries, we are Michigan. We will get someone else". That "someone else" has not exactly taken us to the Promised Land.
You can't applaud Hoke's demeanor on the sideline during the ND game and then turn around and say you're disturbed by how calm he was during this moment.
I don't think you can say that they were uncompetitive. An uncompetitive OL would not have helped wrack up 460 yards of offense.
You are correct in pointing out that UM's lines are a year or so away from being championship quality.
Nope the other way around I am more concerned about - I think Devin can offset the OL issues. I think the DL issues are unsolveable with the current crew, unless Jake Ryan goes to DE I guess.
You're right that line play is the problem, but benching everyone? The tackles are money. The interior is young and/or inexperienced. As a unit, there are likely some cohesion problems, especially with the young and undeveloped pieces.
The D-Line is light in the center and slow on the edges. But how do coaches fix that with benching?
O-Line will improve this year with experience and Devin will give them time to develop with his talent. How much they improve and for how long Devin can shore up the deficiencies is tough to say. As for D-Line, there's some chance that Pipkins is good enough until Washington's health improves--and maybe Pipkins' play improves enough to be interchangable.
he cant be much worse than glascow
I would not want to watch the team that you want to put on the field. Would be brutal Chicken Little.
I agree that this line is poor. It might be the worst I've ever seen at Michigan. Glasgow has spent most of the season blocking nothing. I've never seen a Michigan starter simply whiff as much. He seems to block with his head down and lunge, and I've seen him on at least 15 occasions come up with air. And he has busted on roughly 100% of stunts he sees in protection. Not up to the task, period. He shouldn't start for us again.
Miller has been OK. He will never blow people off the ball, but he has held up OK in protection and has actually been pretty good on stretches. He is sort of holding us back in the power game; again, he'll never be a drive blocker.
Kalis has been a bit worse. He's not much of a puller and his drive blocking isn't great. I've been pleasantly surprised with his combo blocking. He's a freshman.
The biggest surprise has been how awful Schifield has been in the run game. His protection has been good, but he's been flat out poor on drive blocks.
I've even found a hole in Lewan's game: he is bad at going right on zones. On a number of plays this game, he simply doesn't get over like any sort of athlete. On at least two occasions, Gardner audibled at the line, probably to change the direction of the play. Twice, Lewan had to awkwardly shift in his stance, presumably to reduce the stagger in his stance so hell be able to move right. Funk has to get these guys into neutral stances, where the lineman can pass protect, zone left or right, down block, whatever. We've got an NFL ready 5th year senior captain, and he is tipping plays with his stance.
Well need good Gardner every week. He can hide this stuff a bit. If he is bad against decent teams, we will need the line to play above its head. I don't see it happening.
2 years away from National Championship teams ... seriously ... I'm tired of the 2 year hypothesis
I'm tired of us always turning into Alabama, but ethically.
In the RR years we were going to turn into Oregon, but with better defense.
we won one national championship in like 60 years lol. There are nice but right now I just want a team that's competitive nationally, not just in the Big Ten.
Both lines need to pick up their play, Fitz needs to pick it up and Devin even tho he'll play simply brilliant football 3/4th of the time needs to stop the just plain stupid mistakes. That screen play pick six when they zoomed in on Devin for the replay, he wasn't even looking at Touisant or the defender who he threw it directly to. Things like that and the fumble with fitz in position for the pitch and 2 defender closing on Devin. If he pitches it's a nice gain and yet he chose to keep it and fumble.... Mistakes like that just cant happen on a winning football team.
Unless he somehow turns the Interior OL into road graders not much they can do. Maybe just maybe the DL can figure something out like leaving one of Pipkins/Washington on the field for most of the game.
I forgot the almost blocked punt - gosh that would have been the cherry on top.
but unless the D-line suddenly earns "the right to rush four" in one week after not figuring it out in 6 months and the interior O-line suddenly gets leaps and bounds better in 6 days, we're probably still going to see the same issues going forward
"We will prepare you better." That's code for something unpleasant.
Sounds like stadium steps to me, in a big stadium to say the least. This game was all about lack of preperation.
Lewan's comments give me some hope they'll self-motivate after this; the on-field celebration after the last stop makes me worry they won't figure it out on their own.
If it were me I'd wait and see what happens the next couple of days before I decided, but I'd rather have a week of intense and focused practice than have to resort to outright punishment.
There's an old rule of thumb I first learned from my father but I think it's a pretty common saying: you work your team harder after a win than a loss--after a win you're trying to avoid overconfident self-satisfaction. Which today was, i don't know yet. If they're embarrassed, it's like a loss. If they're happy about it, it's even worse than a win.
I like that gif, but why would he stick his tongue out after the shit hits the fan?
I demand a UFR of this gif!
Yeah, those boys are definitely not going to like what happens next.
That comment was a nice bit of doublespeak between threat and admission of culpability.
Saw nothing that said lack of preparation. I saw plenty that said lack of focus and lack of effort.
The punt return team only having 10 guys as well as the kickoff team only having 10 guys. That can go back to the coaches.
That finger-wave and the "we will prepare you better." Caught a flash of Bo. Downright eery.
Our "player's coach" is not all just hugs and noogies.
Hoke let's the guys know he is displeased, but does not call out individual players in front of the entire team during the post game speech. He also puts blame on himself and his staff. He is a good leader! Now they need to get to work and fix issues this week.
put the blame on himself & the coaching staff.
You don't have all phases of the game look like complete crap, and have week to week issues unsolved and not have it be on the coaching staff.
"We'll prepare you better, I promise you that." = You're going to hurt after practice in the coming week(s).
Maybe the first day of practice but I doubt they'll do much of that before the bye week. Don't want tired/unprepared guys for the weekend.
Michigan is still a very young team overall. This year might be rough...
Enough of this shit.
We're young isn't an excuse anymore. Michigan has elite players.
I feared that there would be a let down since akron is arguably one of the worst teams in FBS. Went from a Super Bowl like atmosphere to the students not even showing up until the 3rd quarter.
And people that penciled in the win back when the game was announced acting like the program is folding isn't surprising.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed. If Michigan lost this game, I would pin this loss on Gardner. 4 turnovers and one that went back for a TD was a huge problem.
The defense bailed out the offense time and time again. The defense did not play awful at all. If you expected them to stop akron every possession after the offense did literally nothing or turned it over then I don't know what to tell you. Game of momentum.
Like Hoke said. If you turn the ball over and do diddly poo offensively, you're giving them confidence and letting them hang around. Let's just all be thankful that Michigan got the win. Because if they lost this game, this would be the worst loss in program history, by far.
Michigan has elite high school players of which many are playing their 3rd game in college. I think you may have forgotten, but in the past most players at Michigan never saw significant field time until their junior years due to depth. Youth is certainly a component, not everything but it doesn't help. This fact becomes more obvious the older you get.
Let's cherry pick and ignore the whole concept of general statements about the composition of a group. That always ends well.
I'm taking a break from the blog for a few days. The jackassery factor is just too much.
That's four of our 22 starters.
We're still pretty young by national standards.
Ha Ha is going to the NFL next year
... just saying
And Alabama's secondary got torched & exposed today against a good Texas A&M offense...So yeah? There aren't many players that can start as true freshmen and play at a high level and Alabama recruits players at that high level. Michigan will get some of those players (like Peppers and Hand) but it won't come without growing pains like today.
against the best QB in the country ... no shame in that.
But our team got smoked allround against Akron. There's a huge difference.
Losing to App State with 4 year starters at left tackle, QB, and RB; ranked 5th in the country and coming off a ridiculous season the year before will never be topped as the worst loss in Michigan history. In fact, it's likely the worst loss in college football ever. A loss today would be bad certainly, but no where near the caliber of that debacle.
Michigan was a 22-point favorite against App State, a 37-point favorite today despite being a weaker team than the '07 squad. App State was coming off back-to-back national championships and was on its way to a third that year; Akron hasn't won more than one game in a season since 2009. If you think the best teams in FCS aren't better than the worst teams in FBS you haven't been paying attention.
I think today would have been the second-worst loss ever, based on the spread. The worst I can find:
- Stanford over USC in 2007, winning 24-23 as a 41-point underdog,
- Oregon State over Washington in 1985, winning 21-20 as a 38 point underdog.
- Temple over Virginia Tech in 1998, winning 28-24 as a 36-point underdog
Anybody got any others?
The impact of the loss has as much to do with it as the spread in Vegas. Michigan was a legitimate national champion contender that year. The shock waves of that loss are still heard today. Don't hear many people talking about the Stanford-USC game. I see your point, but the gravity of a loss is also dependent upon expectations.
No doubt there were a lot of ignorant fans out there that thought an FCS national champion was a pushover, but that doesn't change the fact that that was a good team, probably better than a couple of Big Ten teams of the time and a good three touchdowns better than today's Akron.
In terms of actual disparity in talent on the field, as opposed to fan perception, that loss probably wasn't in the top 100 all time. Today, on the other hand....
That App State spread was better suited to beat a Michigan team at the time than these iterations of Akron and Michigan. Without a doubt (to me), this would have been a far more improbable loss.
This was almost a perfect storm of Gardner implosion, special teams failure and Akron coming of age - I'm sure they're going to now rattle off a bunch of wins and take the MAC this year to prove me right - to upset us.
More upsetting than the lack of push from the middle of our 0-line and the non-existent QB pressure from a 4-man rush against Akron, is the apparent bad head space that Gardner has entered. Ever since the horrid INT against ND in the end-zone he has not looked himself for more than a couple plays at a time.
As Gardner goes, so does our team and he's not quite alright just now.
He's still young in experience, as is the middle of the O-Line, the TEs and much of the receiving corp, so there is the potential for great improvement.
TOLEDO was a worse loss than App St.
They (App St.) were a top 30 FBS team.
The media made it a big deal, which is whatever...but it doesn't make it "true" in a football sense.
Just like North Dakota St. --- They are a top 40 team in the FBS. They'd finish at the top of the Big 12 this year. They'd compete with just about anyone.
In 2007 people just didn't realize that the top 15-20 FCS schools are all mid-level FBS schools. Between 30 and 60 on the FBS level. App St. In 2007 was better than even 30.
Losing to App St. really wasn't as bad as people make it out to be (because of ignorance and the media).
This is why if you have to play FCS...fine, but don't schedule in the top 25. The top of FCS is very VERY good...it just doesn't have the depth.
There may be 5 teams in the country I wouldn't give NDSU a shot against. Everyone else could easily lose if they played them. Same with App St. in 07...and we weren't one of the 5.
I'm sorry but App St. was definitely the worst loss in our history. We were ramked #5 and projected to make the MNC that year and it was our home opener.
We had the #1 pick in the draft at LT, a four year starter at QB and at RB the guy who is the #1 rusher in our history and lost to an FCS team at home.
We were evenly matched against Toledo but had a far greater "talent" advantage over App St. There is no way we should have lost that game.
...I think the '81 Wisconsin loss was the worst in my lifetime. We were ranked #1 and were playing a team that had been held without a touchdown in six of 12 games the year before. They'd been shut out by Indiana two years in a row, we had three all-Americans on the OL, a first rounder at running back and Anthony Carter. I really thought that was the year (a feeling I didn't have in '07) and it was over before it began.
In that case, I'll defer...either way, losing to Toledo was in no way the same category as either of those two losses.
UTEP was winless. BYU was the defending national champion(as we all remember) and was ranked #7. I believe the Cougars were 35 point favorites or thereabouts.
No. Any educated person knows that that App State team was a great team. akron is an awful team with a shitty program that hasn't done anything worth noting besides beating ohio in 1894.
Still shouldn't have lost to an FCS team, but it happened.
app state didn't just capitalize off of Michigan shooting themselves in the foot like akron did today, they made plays to win that game. They came in and won that.
Michigan has ELITE players? I thought that term applied to players who perform at elite levels on the field. We have precious few of those. Also, why do you act as if the upperclassman proportion of the team has somehow increased magically over the past couple of years? We ARE still young. That's just a fact. Ignoring reality makes you delusional by definition.
Are our guards, or center, or anyone on the DL "elite" players? Nope. Some young highly rated recruits but that's about it right now.
Pretty sure Michigan has one of the youngest rosters in the B1G including lots of youngins on both lines. The best teams in the Big Ten (however laughable the conference is right now) tend to have lots of upperclassmen and seniors. Sparty on D recently and O when they were good a couple years ago, Wisconsin when they've had dominating O lines, etc etc. I think Wisconsin was starting 5 5th year seniors when they went to the rosebowl a couple years ago. There is a huge difference in physical and mental development from 18-23 years old.
You should probably stop posting for a while.
You should probably keep your suggestions to yourself.
"Enough of this shit.
We're young isn't an excuse anymore. Michigan has elite players. "
LMAO. Sleep it off brah.
although for a 12pm game against an opponent like Akron, I don't necessarily buy youth as any kind of excuse.
As far as your comment # 29; if you really think the D wasn't awful today giving up over 400 yards & 24 pts. to Akron, while simultaneously allowing big plays on the secondary, you must have watched a different game. But hey at least our front 4 got all those sacks. Oh wait.
The D sucked today too, it was just overshadowded.
Hoke has 1 full year of recruiting, so we do not yet possess a roster full of elite players yet....look at the data and grow
up. Stop being an emotional wreck and understand that we are 1-2 more top 5 recruiting classes away tfrom having the
kind of talent level we need and want. Neither Rome nor Alabama nor Oregon was built in a year or two....
Isn't this year 3 of Hoke meaning he has 2 full years of recruiting? This is a make or break year for him as a strong season keeps the momentum going but a poor season could stall his great recruiting to date.
We need one more year of 4* heavy class and then we should be ready to go.
Rough = meaning you will be pulling your hair and checking your heart rate more often than you would like.
Yeah, I agree.
Key is getting better from this point. Gotta be more consistent and less sloppy play.
Today was rough, but the year will not be rough. Lack of a pass rush and no playmakers at WR may make it frustrating from time to time, but it'll be a good (possibly great) season. Still think we are fare and away the best team in the Legends division.
Akron is 3-33 the past three seasons and was 0-27 on the road since 2008. We are not the best team in any division at this point.
teams in the division have done anything to warrant that title though. NW might be able to, but clearly CAL still sucks and Syracuse isn't very good either. Don't think either one are better than ND. Also Nebraska is a trainwreck defensively, and one decent game on offense doesn't erase the trainwreck MSU'S offense was the first two weeks.
Regardless of what happened today the rest of the division doesn't exactly have me shaking in my boots right now, those teams have their own problems.
I have no doubt in my mind that Michigan is gonna beat the ever living shit out of Uconn next week. Hoke & crew are gonna get this shit right. After all, This Is Michigan!
I wonder if the game had gone differently, somewhat, had Gardner not lost that fumble in the 2nd quarter (before his 2 interceptions.) We had a nice drive going all the way to the Akron 10 when Gardner looked like he was going to do an option pitch, held on to the ball with one hand even as two Akron defenders jumped on top of him. If we score there, it's 14-3 shortly before the half and the Zips don't get 2 field goal attempts.
Still....the defense. I have no explanation for them today.
Surely. Two less turnovers this week by Devin and Michigan wins 31-17 or something. We all laugh it off and say "meh, letdown from ND." But same issues remain. Devin can simply single handidly hide a lot of them when he is on. Today was about as off as you can be. Similarly if Denard had 12 months ago kneeled on every play in the 2nd quarter rather than attempting to pass, I think UM wins that game. ;)
It's not just that; get a decent lead and Akron gets mentally beaten. Michigan pulled them back into the game every time it looked like they were going to pull away. This gave Akron the mental push to keep at it, and allowed them to exploit Michigan's weak prep and simplified game plan that was supposed to spot us a four-TD lead before they had seen all of it.
In the first half, it did not feel like a close game. It felt like a game we were dominating, but the scoreboard didn't show it. But when you go into halftime and it's still close, the underdog's going to start getting confident.
LBs no depth on passing plays. Jibreel should be a DE imo. Need Jake Ryan more than Molly Ringwald. Boom 80'sed.
Was trying to do forcing those throws.
Win the Heisman?
what has happened to stribling? Lewis played a lot today
I love it there shouldn't b a single player smiling in that lockerroom. Love Hokes attitude. Just relax this team will improve uconn and a bye week should help before big ten play. I'm not underestimating anyone though Akron still made some nice plays u gotta give them a little credit
I think Hoke approached this correctly on all levels - made his displeasure unmistakably plain, broke it into its components, did not call out anyone in particular and took ownership of the situation. Even in situations like the aftermath of a game where you win ugly, you can see why people want to run through walls for this man.
Id rather have the non players coach like a Bo
Today's players are a lot different than those of Bo's era. Guys who act like Bo get fired or mocked by rivals blogs and fansites as purple faced leprechuans.
This pretty much was a Bo-style speech. After a poor performance, he would not blame it all on the players. He always made sure to state that his staff had been part of the problem as well.
he is harder on them in practice than he was in that speech. It was a little weak.
Speeches are overrated other than for hype videos and fans. A week ago people were drooling on themselves over his post game ND speech. Then the team went out and laid an egg. 99% of these speeches are going to be forgotten by Tuesday. The other 1% yeah they go into history and such. ;)
He also knows that the cameras are on him, too. If he goes apeshit-titdick all over this team, that's all over the internet shortly after he walks out of the locker room, and that's not good.
I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of what gets said behind closed doors, when the cameras get turned off.
Right now we have a QB who thinks he can literally throw the ball THROUGH defenders. Once he realizes he is human games like this won't happen.
I humbly disagree. If you look back on last year and now into this season, Devin feels like he needs to make too many plays for us to score points and win. Problem is, he has balled us out a lot the last 8 games, even though making some bone-headed decisions. He is forcing things, and worrying too much about things he has no control over. We need a run game bad!! Duh, me!
Honestly, whether he thinks that or not, it may be unfortunately right on point. We just don't have elite weapons. Darbohs injury might be a bigger deal than we thought.
Missing AJ Williams today was also bigger than we thought.
He's grown up in a program which was held together by a QB who did just that. Now he needs to let those around him make the plays and to let the game come to him. It's cliche, but every great QB has that moment when they stop forcing it and the game slows down. He's had glimpses of that and hopefully it will come before he leaves.
i can't wait until you are banned again
You have obviously never been a leader, boss, or manager. Well, let me rephrase... Obviously not a good one.
What would you suggest he say? Call out an individual in front of THE TEAM THE TEAM THE TEAM and destroy the very ideals he's been setting forth? Perhaps throw his hands up to a bunch of 18-22 year olds and blame everything on them but not take responsibility when he's cashing the million dollar paycheck? Perhaps simply scream, turn purple, and have a GIF made of him for posting on football blogs everywhere.
Accepting responsibility is what he did. The buck stops with him which is why he's beloved by Michigan fans like myself. He behaved like any good leader, boss, or manager would. And so yes, by your comment I can say with certainty that you are not.
Your internet tone suggests you are a huge douche, who's also amazingly immune to irony. Good for you.
see Michael Scott.
false black bear.
Our biggest problem(s) (because I think Gardner figures out the turnovers) is our line play on both sides and our soft coverages. We get Peppers next year. Is he good enough to make an impact as a true freshman? Can Peppers and Countess shut people down next year?
On the d-line is one year long enough for Charlton to develop and make an impact as our WDL next year? If we get Hand will he be good enough to make an impact as a true freshman? I mean Charlton, Pipkins, Wormley, and Hand seems pretty talented, but really young.
We will still have a young o-line and seems like Braden, Glasgow, Miller, Kalis, and Mags will be our starters next year. Or do we expect a few freshman like Kugler to beat our Miller or maybe Dawson or Bosch to beat someone out? Either way we will be super young on the o-line next year. So, we can't expect them to be great run blockers next year either can we?
We have a lot of talent coming in at these positions but they are all really young. We had all these same issues last year, will we still be frustrated by these same things again next year too or are the young guys good enough to make jumps by next year and/or freshman good enough to make an impact immediately?
I expect a lot of the same conversations next year but am hoping Taco & Mario at least next year are making bigger impacts. Pipkins will also be in his 3rd year. But the OL...yeah... it's going to be very young. Kalis will be the "veteran". We are 2 years away from this young talent really infusing themselves into the lines at a level they are 'experienced'. Asking Hand to come in and do much is asking a lot. I dont' see 5 stars walking in on any line at Alabama and making impact - they generally will pop at RB or other less "line-y" places.
And you're gonna need it.
The line play was today's big long-term concern. The whole team was bad, but much of that was due to sloppy play, poor prep, bad choices, etc. It was something of a perfect storm of badness.
But both lines should be able to control a MAC team on a bad day and they didn't.
Now, next year? I don't think we can project yet. Last year we lost faith in the interior OL and gained confidence in the DL as the year went on. Perhaps something similar happens again--Taco emerging, or Kalis turning into an immovable object. Or an injured tackle, replaced by a young guy that turns out pretty good.
Given that the coaches have a track record of developing serviceable D-lines out of middling talent. It's what they have now--let's see what they do.
How about Stribling? A little early to talk about 2014 incoming players (Peppers) after the 3rd game of 2013 I think!
People may have forgotten App State so they need to be reminded once in a while.
Coaches probably took their eyes of the ball as well. They did not prepare the team well, that is for sure. Players were still in the UTL2, all the claps and things like that.
Thank God we won. Forget this whole thing and move forward.
WHAT'S APPALACHIAN STATE DUNNO NOPE NO IDEA WHAT UR TALKING BOUT NOPE LOLZ
Our rivals nor the announcers today surely haven't. I heard many references from announcers who highlighted the game make references to App. St. today.. and with good reason. Akron almost snapping their 27 away game loss streak by simultaneously snapping our home winning streak in The Big House.
I have. What happened?
Why does that make me imagine Frank Caliendo impersonating Brady Hoke?
I like this. He's honest but not a jerk. He cares more about them than the game result.
Is the takeaway message for this game. Well said.
to make me think that this is a well-coached team capable of improvement as the season goes on. Sad, but true. None of the guys that were touted as possible breakout players have impressed at all. In fact, except for maybe Gallon and Countess, not one player has been consistently impressive this year. Fitz, Ross, Pipkins, Chesson, Washington, Clark, Thomas, Kalis, Funchess...all pretty meh at best. And for all who thought that Gardner's 2 INTs against Central were just a glitch...not so...6 in three games now, which is inexcusably bad.
Make your case.
That's my case. Yes, today was an abomination in all respects. It easily was the worst game since Appy State. But keep in mind that before this game UM had scored 100 pts in the previous two games and kept the big plays to a minimum on defense. The OL did okay versus ND as the game wore on while the defense found a way to make stops late versus ND. They did none of this versus Akron.
Fans like you with your excessive negativity are irritating. You discount all the good and focus on all the bad. This is why people dislike you.
Michigan has a lot of talent and very good coaches. I have to believe that this team will make improvements based on the coaches track record. Of course, we have to let the season to finish to see if they did or not.
Maybe go back and watch the first two games. Your memory appears to be pretty leaky
in this team so far this year? Have you seen a hard-hitting, play-making defense? Has our running game or our passing game improved? What players have been really good every game? What players have broken out as real stars?
We have 3 wins and 0 losses. Same time last year we had 2 wins and 1 loss. Improvement. That's just straight math for you. I'm sorry this isn't 1997 reincarnate which apparently you were expecting.
The passing game HAS improved. I don't see how you can say that it hasn't. Yes, the turnovers are an issue and that is something that needs to be worked on.But the passing game is greatly improved.
The center of the OL was an issue that most knew was going to be a problem. Three new starters will tend to do that.
As for "stars", I think you are being a bit hasty. Mike Hart did not do much the first couple of games of his freshmen season. Stars don't always immediately become stars.
Cheeson had a nice TD today and we all know his passing ability. Norfleet could eventually developed into a threat as he grows more comfortable as a slot WR. Butt has shown flashes. Jarrod WIlson had a key INT today and should have had one versus ND. The common factor in all of these is experience or lack thereof. Give them time. Stars will develop.
Scrap the program :D
This might have been the only thing I've watched today that has made me somewhat happy (for lack of a better word).
Every game I've watched has gone against me. The UM game was painful, and stressful, and totally frustrating.
But this? Yes. The right balance of what was needed. Right tone.
I can like Hoke again and feel not so horrible.
What's happened to them?
Somebody is slacking!!!
This seems like Good Yelling. No crazy eyes. No spittle-spewing loss of control. No sense that the coach may or may not kill and eat one of the players as a public shaming ritual on the team bus.
(Yeah, I'm watching the ND game right now. How'd you know?)
Maybe it's just me...never been a fan of the "calm" approach. It's Hoke way and with the way he has recruited and the team usually has responded after a piss poor performance I guess there is no reason to doubt him at this point.
Just hope the whole country club culture doesn't come back to this program....
What gives you the idea that Hoke's pogram is a "country club culture"? Hoke is the very antithesis of "country club". Just because he isn't like the Purple Faced People Eater who resides in South Bend that does not mean his coaching techniques are soft.
who knows very well that you aren't as good as you think after a good day, but probably aren't as bad as you think after a bad day. We Interwebs Genuises can bitch and moan all we like, but he has to set a tone that gets the team's attention, and gets them ready to get back to work to get ready to do better against UConn. Seems to be he did a pretty good job.
Unless we play much better next week, we will go down, because you can be sure that UConn will be as hyped up and well prepared for us as Akron.
So is it their loss to Towson or the fact that they are losing to Maryland that screams good preparation to you?
Air body stop trippin. One bad game after a huge ND game does not mean the team is imploding. It happens, especially when you're young.
Michigan returns to solid play next week and every week hereafter. Sometimes it takes a scare. Remember how everyone thought App State was then end of the world.? I recall we ended up beating Florida in a bowl game that year.
dude we ended the season 9-4 and the week after App St, Oregon could have put up 100 if they wanted to against us. Lets not act like 07 was some kind of great season.
And Henne was hurt most of the season. Just pray Gardner doesn't go down because 9-4 would be a blessing
I have a hard time thinking Shane would have committed 4 turnovers including a pick 6 today.
I also don't think Morris would have led us on three second-half TD drives to st least preserve a win. Gardner had a bad game but he also did a lot of good stuff.
I have a hard time thinking Shane would have committed 4 turnovers including a pick 6 today.
Why? Young QBs usually commit the most turnovers.
And his point is that going 9-4 and beating Florida is hardly the end of the world.
then the expectations have taken a fall...when 4 losses is ok, then wow.
Yes because that's what I said. Not the end of the world = ok I guess. Perspective. I suggest trying to find some or you are very rarely going to be happy watching college football.
It was a pretty good year. Beating Tim Tebow and Florida (not to mention Urban Meyer and the SEC) in that fashion was supremely satisfying.
We're not around Hoke the way the players in that room are. But my sense is that Hoke is going for one of the true rules of teaching: never be too high or too low emotionally. Young people cue emotionally off people in leadership positions. Hoke's message is clear here: There is a lot to work on, and we will work to get it (it's encoded in the discussion about the five team goals, he's taking them back to the fundamental basis for this team. They know those five goals like the back of their hand.) He's pointing out that they got one of them, but not the other four, and that is unlikely to happen to great frequency.
But if Hoke isn't a screamer, isn't crazy eyes, can you not tell that this is a frustrated man who knows he has to do better, his staff has to do better, and his players need to do better? There's a tonality there, one which is probably more familar to his players who have heard him for weeks since Fall camp started. They know this is not normal and they know what is coming.
Crazy only works in tiny doses, after a while, it's seen through. But a leader who keeps a level head, discusses where the corrections are to be had, and begins accountability with himself, that is someone who holds the room.
Will it work? Will they learn? Will Michigan play better next week? Time will tell. I'm hopeful, but cautious, because we did see some flaws today. But if you wanted Hoke to be angrier or more passionate or more downright pissed, well, that is for you to figure out why you want that.
...did you, MGoShoe?
"Coach giving the team a piece of his mind. The fact that this was released speaks volumes about Hoke's displeasure with the team's performance."
First, if that's a piece of his mind, it's a small piece. I didn't even think he was yelling, just raising his voice loud enough so everyone could hear. Second, what in there is so controversial that they wouldn't want it released? He told the truth, even held back in my opinion, and he didn't name one single player by name except when they did something good (Wile getting that one off).
If you think that's harsh, somewhere upstairs Bo and Woody are laughing their asses off.
Hoke is such a good coach. I like that he doesn't yell at the players like some coaches do. I know every coach has his own style, but I prefer coaches to be like this. He tells them what they did wrong, was assertive, but didn't berate anyone in a vicious manner. Great job, Brady.
Hoke is a great coach if we lost to Akron today? I'm sorry but people who say that Hoke is a "great" coach are delusional.
Go to bed and sleep it off man. Stop being a baby. I guess all the experts who say Hoke is a good coach are wrong? I guess not losing a game at home since he started makes him bad?
We're all pissed about the performance today, but stop being such an emotional child.
That is the first and only and last thing I said to anyone today about the game. Easy. I'm entitled to speak my mind whether you think I'm an idiot or not. I just don't think Hoke is that good of a coach. Think he recruits well, has good relationships with his players, seems like a really cool guy. But in my opinion I don't thick he has done much to prove his worth as a coach. Shoot me.
You do realize that he (and his staff) took a horrendous Ball State team and made them BCS busters... With MAC talent...?
He also has helped the University in pursuit of athletes that came here solely bc of him?
He took a defense averaging 30.0+(!) points a game to under 20.0 in one year! His team finally is getting his type of players in and we are just seeing the effects. His recruits are young. STILL has RR pieces on offense in ALL the skill positions.
Although I was also thinking, "if we lose to Akron, fire Hoke.", I can admit that I was wrong. It made me think if Toledo all over. And losing to garbage in Ohio. But, Akron did have some ungodly number of JUCO's playing today from FL, GA, CA, MS... That don't normally go to MAC schools... Akron may not be a 1-11 team this year... They may be a better MAC team than expected. Let the season play out. We're 3-0. Coach Hoke already has addressed what is wrong, and that's the first step is admitting and knowing what to fix.
Print what you said about Hoke and read it on January 9th. Then tell us you feel the same way.
I will defer to them, since they know him personally... Judging by the job the staff is doing on the trail, I think most kids think so too
We know the team is unhappy. We know they're better than they looked today, but not as good as we all would hope. Beyond that, we don't know anyting. But still, lets have a hundred and fifty post thread about it!
It used to be axiomatic that college football is a game of emotions. Today demonstrated that can still be true.
What happened in the past with a team like Akron may not be the case this year. People talked earlier today on the web about the fact that Akron was blown out by UCF. Well, UCF just beat Penn State, and while I don't recall the score, I think that UCF's point total against Akron was very close to the number they achieved against PSU's supposedly better defense.
Michigan played badly. The team wasn't mentally ready for this game. Maybe they read last week's reviews, and this week's predictions, and thought all they had to do was show up and it would be an automatic win.
I'm hoping (and I honestly believe) that the team will pull their socks up, and have their heads on straight the rest of the season.
We're lucky this breakdown didn't happen against a better team. Penn State, Texas, and Nebraska had embarrassing days and lost.
The team isn't perfect. It doesn't take much to see what needs improving. But I think that Hoke and Company are coaches who can fix or at least shore up the problems enough to have a good season.
It'd be great to have perfection, but the reality is this team still has its goals in front of it and a very good chance to have a fine season.
This happen more often than most remember. After a emotional victory or loss against an intense rival, the next game shows a team that comes out 'flat' much less emotion and intensity and struggles to gain any rythym. Did the team play poorly? Yes. Did many of them make mistakes, including the coaches? Yes. Was it hard watch and brought back memories of the Horror? Most definitely.
I watched most of the the Bama game after getting home from our game, the OSU game tonight and the ND game. This team is a far cry from the Bama, and ND played so-so but not as bad as we did. But From what I saw, OSU is a much better team than we are, more team speed and will test our lines and secondary for 60 minutes. Guiton may be a better QB than Miller.
Depth is certainly an issue still with this team. The depth we have is in the number of bodies, not seasoned talent - YET.
I thought Gardner would have learned from the pick in the endzone last week and he almost repeated it again. He is not fast enough to outrun every pass rush and shouldn't be trying to be a hero on every broken pass play. He had a Denard type of day today and it happens. The interior Oline is very young and the Dline is young. They will learn from this and will get better. Team 134 is not going to go undefeated, but they will get better.
If Gardner conties to turn the ball over three times a game, he should go back to #12 though.
One more thing, DB - cut down the size of the student section, that was embarassing and aside from OSU and maybe Nebraska, it will happen again this season. GA is not the solution, cutting back on the number of seats is a better plan.
Whether they show up in force or not, the games are supposed to be played first, for the enjoyment of students attending the university, who are paying through the nose for the privilege, at today's tuition rates. I agree with most of your post, but I think the proposal to further punish the students for showing up late to games isn't right.
The general admission seating for students is obviously a foolish idea and a failure. Students will show up when they want to show up. Period. No amount of donuts is going to make them line up like children at disneyland for the opportunity to see Michigan play Akron at closer range, especially at noon on a Saturday.
Cutting back the student section defeats one of the major purposes of having football, which is ostensibly to increase the attraction of the University to prospective students. Telling students, "We're going to make it more difficult for you to attend because you're not being very good football fans" makes very little sense to me.
Punishment thinking doesn't work well for 18-22 year olds, and today's GA seating showed that quite well.
it definitely looked terrible for the student section to be half-empty at kick-off. I wonder how the players even feel about that? I mean, other UM athletes see empty seats all the time, but not the football team. Looks like no one took the Akron game seriously, football team and fans alike.
I am not opposed to cutting the student section. I understand your point, but there are too many people who want those seats for the athletic dept to waste them on students who obviously don't.
I enjoy rooting for this team. I like the coach. I love how he values developing strength of character as much as anything else. For the folks who are so freaked out, if being a Michigan football fan makes you so angry and frustrated and upset with so many UNACCEPTABLE things even when we win, then why the do you keep it up? Go do something else with your time.
Or not, keep being arm chair an Brian Kelly if you need, but life is too short for so much negativity.
I wish I could plus 1 million this post.
You are absolutely right. It was a frustrating day but I'm pretty sure the team is more disappointed then we are or at the very least taking a long look. These are 18-22 year olds. There will be ups and downs hopefully a lot more ups.
I still think we are headed in the right direction even though it was a frustrating game to say the least.
Let's see what happens each week. I'm kind of wondering how the mgoblog staff approaches this game.
I admit I am too invested in Michigan football. I've cried over losses before (I'm a girl so it's slightly more acceptable). But when they lose, I get sad, not mad. Losses hurt them even more than they hurt the fans. I just hope they will learn from this and try even harder to have the successful season they were anticipating.
Hoke pretty much addressed everything we as a base were freaking out about. This hame would have seen Mt. Saban explode into the heavens. Hoke told them what they did wrong, and told them they are going to correct it.
Personally when he says theyre going to better prepare them, he promises, to me it sounds like practice for the first part of the week is going to be rough.
However, I dont think the team will take an opponent lightly the rest of the season. Theyre going to have a fire lit the rest of the season.
Pretty good speech. Love it, but rich rod said the same shit way back when
"We will prepare you better, I promise you."
Ouch. I wouldn't want to be on that field Monday.
Eactly what I thought.
Seemed like he was saying "your in for hell at practice" the nicest way possible.
Our D has turned into mush. Almost reverting back to the porous defenses of the RR era! I'm a bit surprised since talent wise, we have hauled in some good players thought we seem to have missed out on that good to great DE and this may be our downfall this season.
I don't see us beating MSU or OSU unless we really improve. NU will probably beat us as well since we have trouble against spread teams.
so far, but comparing it to RR's defenses is just hyperbolic. No way in hell RR'S defenses come up with two stops inside the 5.
Also why are people all of sudden giving MSU so much credit? They haven't played anybody yet, and their performance today doesn't all of sudden mean MSU doesn't have massive problems on offense. We will see how MSU looks against ND's defense, but something tells me their offense will resemble the horrow show it was the first two weeks. Nebraska's defense is a tire fire, worst in the conference to this point.
I feel sorry for UConn I expect to see an annihilation. But then again I did expect that against Akron. I wonder is Tressel had anything to do with that performance?
Like many, I'm especially concerned about center and left guard. Any sense that Bryant, Braden or Bars might be options? Or any of the new kids?
So I decided to wait for almost 24 hours to post anything on here, because of the meltdown happening. The team played poorly and they will probably play poorly again, at some point, in the future. Terry Bowden had told his kids that they may never get a chance to play in a venue like the Big House again and to make the most of it. Well they did. We can nitpick the team and say they need to fix this or fix that, but a week ago we were singing the praises of Borges, Hoke, and Mattison. Now after a poor showing against a team that may be better than originally thought, some people are calling for Mattison to be replaced. Relax there are 9 more games and 2 bye weeks for this team to improve. If we have a similar showings against more teams then it's time to worry.
For all those who are are alluding to the fact that Brady "scolded" them to some extent must have never played organized sports at a high school or college level. This was the farthest thing from a scolding that I have seen.
I think Brady handled it the way he had too - he didn't want to scold them too much because they did win the game - and scolding them for winning is just not what you want to reinforce. He pointed out the issues and alluded to the fact that the team was in for a long week of practice.
I played soccer for U or M, varsity, not club - and I know what it is like to be afraid of your coach after a pitiful performance. This speech was the farthest thing from a scolding IMHO.
"We will prepare you better; I promise you."
That is coach-speak for "You are going to work your asses off this week and watch your mistakes on film until you are as pissed off as I am right now."
This speech was okay I guess. But after I watched the game I was hoping he would really chew them out and light a fire under their ass. No excuse for the lack of effort out there.