I wrote this while the post below was bing written about Hoke being a great recruiter. These posts could be merged. I think they are directly related!
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
I wrote this while the post below was bing written about Hoke being a great recruiter. These posts could be merged. I think they are directly related!
We need some passion of the Hoke photoshopping or whatever it's called
Don't forget about him choking up at his first presser being introduced at Michigan.
No recruit is worth crying over. None. Not now. Not ever.
... but that's because I can also see the future.
In 11 months, you'll know why.
I'm with you Don, this has to be an exaggeration. Phenomenal HS player, huge get for our recruiting class, potential all over the place, and I'm sure Coach is happy as can be. Can't see Brady Hoke crying over a player who has never played a down in college football. Crying over something like that would seem to me like signs of desperation. Hoke has no reason to be feeling like that.
You gotta realize we use words like recruiting as a punch line. He uses them as a backbone of a life spent defending something.
I think it just shows how invested he is.
I understand what you're saying, but let's not over state what this really is. As of right now, a highly regarded high school football player is coming to the University of Michigan to play football. That is awesome, I'm stoked, but right now that is all it is. And Brady knows that way better than any of us do.
Green is coming to a position of need, but he isn't coming to a program that needs saving, or a team that doesn't have any other options at the position. He isn't coming to a coaching staff on the hot seat. If Green hadn't come to Michigan, I don't think Brady Hoke would have shed a single tear.
I hope Green blows up, leads our team to a ton of wins, and blows the doors off all the record books. After that, or even after a less storied career where Green leaves as a senior who left it all out on the field every game.... maybe then Brady Hoke might shed some tears, but for totally different reasons than crying before the guy ever puts on the uniform.
Did you ever think that perhaps Hoke, if he did shed a tear, wasn't simply shedding a tear that a highly ranked, nationally-relevant RB just chose his team? Perhaps he shed a tear for the end of a long process, perhaps he shed a tear for the 12+month relationship he has all ready developed with the kid. I think we, as fans, forget that these kids aren't just "recruits" to the coaches. Even if a young man doesn't choose Michigan, don't you think that Hoke and the rest of the staff have formed a bond with him?
Now, maybe he did start crying because he knows Green will gain 200 yards a game for the next three years while also winning three consecutive Heisman trophies . . . /s
But I'm willing to bed this has more to do with the relationship that has been developed and will continue to develop between a coach and (by all appearances thus far) a young man with a great head on his shoulders.
EDIT: My general sentiment was expressed much more eloquently by posters below.
Sure, that's possible. I'm just saying I don't think it's likely. Plus, remember the context: crying in response to Green committing.
I never have been part of the process, but I wonder if you're overblowing the relationship part a bit. How can the coaches become that bonded to kids when a large portion of them don't even end up coming here? They'd be an emotional wreck. Some detachment would be a good thing, I'd think. And how much time do they really spend with these kids before they get on the team? I don't really know the answer, but when it comes to forming some kind of heart wrenching bond I'm guessing that kind of time doesn't get spent until they are on the team.
As far as the process being over... yeah looks like it is over for Green, but I don't think recruiting is ever over for a college football coach.
So what if Hoke did cry? I don't think less of the guy. I'm just saying I don't think he really did.
quote is from the deranged, narcissistic Col Nathan R Jessup. Hopefully Hoke is not crazy like him.
I meant it tongue-in-cheek. Thanks for highlighting the irony. Any day to reminded of that phenomenal movie is a good day. Whether or not worth shredding tears over.
a Woodson caliber recruit...also eat your crow. You have been saying for 2 months Green would not pick Michigan.
but it's likely Hoke has a broader perspective.
Yeah man, fuck emotions.
Let's not kid ourselves... This is a *huge* get.
Someone posted earlier (in fact, was it you?) that this is the first time in over a decade that a 5* RB from the south has gone to a school in the north. Green is a top-10 recruit, but not just that, seems like a really high-character kid and a hard worker, someone that has the potential to really set the tone for other players and be a leader. I would not be surprised at all if Green is a captain down the road. (Yes, yes, I know, way too early but if it could be said at this point that any player has this kind of potential, it's Green.)
Furthermore, with this commitment, Hoke finally closed an elite prospect near signing day, and shook the "can't get elite skill position players" monkey off his back.
The positive effects this has for the program cannot be overstated. Green's commiment could really end up being something that makes the difference in bringing Michigan back to national elite status.
Given all that, and how invested a college football coach is in what he does, I have no problem at all with Hoke crying.
(Furthermore this happened 24 hours after another recruit's dad said the Big 10 should do things more like the SEC.... Then Hoke lands a top 10 player over 2 SEC schools. That's a huge vindication for how Hoke does things vs. how they do it in the south.)
"Did you order the code red!?"
"You're God Damn Right I Did!"
Crying has always been in.
Shortest verse in the bible concerns weeping. "Jesus wept"
I'll upvote this.
Hoke can't top what Jesus did next, but that's okay.
Factually incorrect. Moses when the burning bush appeared to him: "Watup, Dog?"
One letter less, though it is controversial because this verse does contain a comma, which some theologians consider being equal to a character space. Thus, same amount of "characters", although this verse has two capital letters, which would then make your verse shorter. But again, that is more of an alternative perspetive on this debat rather than the norm.
he's just a big ole bear
Once, Dr. Steve Brule went to a club for bears. He had a pretty good time.
Thanks for sharing... and I can appreciate Hoke's passion...is it cool to be a grown man crying over a kid? Probably not... but who here hasnt landed a big sale or job and just couldnt hold it in? Hoke's profession is working with kids and I think he deserves a break... he obviously loves this program and the kids involved.
He has always said that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. Big bear hugs and crying. Perhaps he drank a bottle of A1 sauce later.
I'm fine with crying after winning a natty or maybe even a big ten title, but over a kid still in high school?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to assume that you are looking at it as though Hoke is crying because he is happy that he landed DG and he's happy for what DG will mean to the program. I see this as Hoke being happy for Derrick Green, happy for the opportunity to mentor and coach Derrick Green, and happy for what Michigan will mean to Derrick Green and his future.
that Hoke cares.
Ive always respected people that give a shit, instead of being so snobby that nothing really matters, these types of emotions matter.
Prob shouldn't be brought up IMO.
I didn't say anything about religion, are you sure you were responding to me?
Besides, I'm not even religious.
Was meant for above posts which reference the Bible in terms of Hoke crying. Not sure how mine ended up here, probably messed up what I was doing through the app.
Are we really trying to put rules and limits on involuntary displays of emotion? So he got a bit teary eyed when a kid he developed a strong bond with told him that he was coming to play for him.
BUT HOW DARE HE CRY OVER A RECRUIT!!!
Sometimes I tear up at the scene in Fresh Prince of Bel Air where Will's father leaves him for good. Is that ok with the MGoBlog Cops? Will you guys let me? Or is it desparate? Someone email Hoke and let him know. This won't stand!
Maybe I'm off but to me, in my humble opinion, this simply underscores the pressure that Hoke is under. Go blue. Welcome Green.
Will not stand......man!
Big sign blinking THIS repeatedly.
Rich Girl by hall & oates okay though?
Always hall and Oates is okay
Would you say Hoke has been Ms best recruiter as an HC since Mo? I think so.
Maybe, but Lloyd brought in some serious talent, especially in his early years. His last couple of years were really bad, but let's not kid ourselves; Michigan had great players in the '00s and didn't reach its potential on the field.
I really like the trajectory, but it's way too soon to tell. I think this comment is 2-3 years premature. I replied to the wrong comment. But basically I agree with you and the other comment is too premature.
I was a sophomore when Carr became HC. Here's a short list of some of the guys he brought in during his first 6 years:
Woodson, Whitley, Terrell, Brady, Henson, A-Train, Shea, Gold, Dhani, Walker, Backus, Hutchinson, Perry, Braylon, Hall (James, not Leon), Marlin Action Jackson.
I love what Hoke is doing so far, but putting together back to back Top 10 classes was not unheard of under Carr. Even the latter stages of the Carr era gave us some gems like Woodley, Hall (Leon), Henne, Long, Hart, Graham, Hemingway, Mallett and Manningham. (Note: I refuse to acknowledge Morgan Trent as part of this group because of how many big plays he was constantly giving up. All that speed, but no concept of spacing or ball awareness).
Hopefully Hoke will be able to do what Carr couldn't do enough of: get his top recruits to consistently play like All Americans.
I think recruits and players appreciate his passion. I could see it working the other way if they felt that he was just too emotional or desperate. But I don't think that is the vibe Hoke gives. He demands accountability, excellence, family, and he will do whatever he can to help his players reach these goals and expectationis. He cares.
"Coach Hoke is a great coach but an even better man. And he's definately a father figure."
Coach Hoke is a great coach but an even better man.
This is the essence of Hoke boiled down to a single sentence.
Hoke says again and again his mission is to help make his players "become better men, better husbands and better fathers."
Some may roll their eyes at that, but I hear that and I am grateful not just that Hoke is Michigan's coach, but also that men such as Hoke still exist.
And like a broken record I will say again -- young men yearn for older men in authority to show them to be strong, authentic and honorable. Absolutely yearn for it. Coach Hoke stands out like a beacon among an ocean of callous, opportunistic coaches.
Further ... the mothers of these young players pray for someone like Hoke to come into their sons' lives and help guide them.
I love Brady Hoke and I've never met him. I absolutely love the man.
That sounds like an old early 90's Showtime porn. Hoke's Passion, followed by Red Shoe Diaries.
sometimes this blog makes me laugh so hard. She just gives me the look...anyone with me?
Usually she'll hear me bust out laughing from another room, then e "get off that damn blog and do the dishes"usually follows..... Speak of the devil, this time its change the baby.
Strong men also cry. Strong men also cry.
Up vote for Lebowski reference
That's just, like, your opinion, man...
Is a bummer...man
Nothing is fucked here. In fact, it's far out...man.
This recruit really ties the class together, does he not?
Hoke's passion for this sport and Michigan is what sets him apart. He almost cried at his initial press conference when he was talking about UM. I still think David Molk's description of Coach Hoke sums the man up to a tee.
Do you guys who are criticizing Hoke for crying ever look at the world except through your intellectual goggles?
I'm just being honest. I love Hoke, but I try to not be a hypocrite. If Dantonio, Meyer, or Kelly did this we would laugh at it. It's not a big deal, but it's a little much.
I relish the moments in life worth getting swept away. I cry when I hug my brothers at wrestling banquets after four years of sweating and bleeding together and I tear up on the couch next to my wife during romantic movies. I have no problem of other people see it differently, I just don't think it warrants criticism. It inspires me that Hoke sees his passion this way.
I hope no one here gave Rodriguez crap for the Groban disaster or Tebow crying or any other public displays of emotion.
Everyone else will give Hoke shit for this, and we'd do the same if Meyer's name was attached to it.
A grown man crying because he's trying to connect is much different than a grown man crying over the connection he's made. It's the difference between wanting something like a sniveling idiot and fighting for something with everything you have and being overwhelmed with a victory.
I'll let you be the judge of who meets the standard.
Most fans and media lauded Dick Vermeil for his public displays of emotion, and by all accounts his players liked it. I think this is in that category.
Playing a Josh Groban song at a banquet seems quite different to me. Just sayin.
Am I the only Michigander to see the funny here? But seriously....glad to have a RB aboard that could potentially re-write the Michigan record books. And I know that is excitement for today. But for his sake and to lend credibility to this young mans important life decision--let us not forget the rest of this recruiting class and the current players he will be joining that NO DOUBT played a HUGE part in helping him make that decision. Congrats Coach Hoke and Staff and Players for bringing the PRIDE back to UM Football!!! THANK YOU!!!
Well put sir. +1
see Dick Vermeil and former N.C. State coach Chuck Amato. I've seen infants cry less.
Out of crying while reading Josh Groban lyrics.
There is a very good chance that Green has built a relationship with the Michigan coaches that is special to both sides. Special enough to warrant Hoke getting a little misty. Don't forget that Green was fully aware that UM regarded Isaac as their most wanted RB at one point. After Ty committed to USC, I would have bet the farm that we had no shot at getting Green either. So for them to show him the kind of respect and attention that would lead to him committing today, it's not all that surprising to me. Again, I doubt he wept, but he seems like a very passionate guy. Not all that surprising.
Also remember that a lot of people watched his decision and Green's speech. Future recruits will know that this Hoke guy is for real and he cares about his players. Parents will definitely like this out of a HC.
I'm just happy he survived. I didn't think he would get out of the first round.
Sorry, I was in the UFC thread. Not sure how this got over here.
Hoke is a real man, and real men cry sometimes. He is an exceptional worker and obviously has a strong passion that shows through his commitment to these players and their families. This post makes me proud
So it's passion when Hoke cries, but jokes and comedic material when Tebow or Rodriguez cry? This isn't an attack on Hoke, just pointing out a potential double standard.
It's a little wierd, but I don't mind it. I have a feeling Hoke gives those inside the program quite a bit more than we see on TV and in interviews. I've heard him say before he's an emotional guy, but I rarely see it. He's quite calm and under control on the sidelines and during interviews. His sideline demeanor is quite different from Rich Rod who would frequently lose his cool and yell at players, coaches, and refs alike. Sometimes I think in a press conference Hoke is about to drop his guard and get emotional over a player or a win etc., then he doesn't. So, it's hard to tell if he was acutally beginning to show emotion and stopped himself or if I misread what I was seeing. Anyways, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's much more emotional behind closed doors with the guys than he lets the rest of us see.
Do you realize that happiness makes you cry?
D'awwwww warm fuzzies.
First off, Green is from New York. So technically he is not from the south.
Secondly, Hoke said at his first press conference that he doesn't have a son, so the player are his sons, all 115 of them. Hoke cares very much for these kids. You don't know if he was bawling or not, so take it easy.
I cried like a baby when my daughter was born, when we took her off to college, when my parents died, and I'll get choked up at the occasional movie. I just don't believe that an 18-year old who hasn't spent a minute in Ann Arbor as a student or UM player warrants tears. I was totally OK with Hoke's display of emotion at his introductory presser; he's got a long relationship with UM. I also had no problem with RR's emotion at the press conference when he responded to Rosenberg and Snyder's allegations that he was running an abusive sweatshop. Of course, that was comedy gold for plenty of people here who made endless fun of RR for crying in that circumstance.
Must we demand that others behave and act the way we want them to?
Let Hoke be Hoke, he is genuine and that is a big part of his appeal to recruits and players and parents and alumni n fans. Celebrate that we have a man in charge of our football team and not a plastic phony like Saban!
On a few occasions I came across Saban's Sunday MSU football recap show. I've never seen a stiffer, more awkward, emotionless, colder fish on TV than Nick Saban. He makes Dantonio seem friendly.
"Well, George...I think the problem was....we played...like little bitches today....next...."
According to Derrick Green, Hoke cried while accepting his commitment. This was an interpretation over the phone. And now the anecdote is picking up steam on television and espn.com. That's fine. And, because I care to try to avoid the Fundamental Attribution Error, and because I don't find sentimentality pathetic to care anyway, I'm not inclined to judge what a man cries about. But I do care about truth (and to struggle and equivocate before making decisions). And I'm not yet convinced that this even happened.
With the little knowledge I so far have of the anecdote, it seems additionally conceivable that Hoke is an exuberant fellow and responded with the type of emotion that might be honestly misinterpreted as crying.