Maybe Green had the right idea last year when he came into camp a bit plump....
in town for free camps
Maybe Green had the right idea last year when he came into camp a bit plump....
Hoke likes Miller!? I assume people are panicking big time around here
I guess it Is better than Bud or Coors
For me, it's not that I dislike Miller, it's just that I have visions from last year of him getting blown up in the middle. I hope he's physically stronger this year.
Players DO improve as they get older. Hoke being positive and Miller potentially taking over Glasgow is a very good sign.
... you watch the SUTL.
or at least visibly better, according to LSASuperstar's detailed analysis of the Michigan Drill practice video [EDIT: bumped to Diary from Board?]. Here's his desciption of one of Miller's reps:
REP 28 @ 3:07 O: J. Miller (C) D: W. Henry (DT) T: D. Green (RB) Interesting. Miller stands up Henry, who uses pure strength on Miller to push the opposite way than he'd prefer to go; Miller says "sure" and seals the backside while staying in control. Green reacts with a jump-cut to get free. Miller looks very strong here.
Can't wait till Glasgow is off suspension so they can get miller off the field
Top line is gonna be Cole, Magnuson, Glasgow, Kalis, Braden
It seems the coaches have wanted it to be that way (kept talking about it), but between Mags/Kalis injuries and Glasgow suspension...can't make it set. A lot of fans want this too...including me.
Let's see Miller in a game and see if he's has gotten better before we discount him. Yeah, he didn't look good last year, but RS SO to RS JR could still be a big step up for a OL.
But he didn't exactly light it up in the scrimmage either.
This is where I was before the night scrimmage (and I was a critic of Miller last year: he's a smart, decent player but too small to start at M... a good back-up).
But doesn't the scrimmage give you pause? I wasn't there, but Sam Webb gave a pretty comprehensive play-by-play of the event., along with the thread on this board and Baumgardner at Mlive. Hurst and Henry were blowing up everything. I know they were second team, but even during the 1-on-1's. Pretty sure I saw Miller mentioned as getting blown up pretty regularly. Which is consistent with last year.
Miller is 6-4, 299 lbs. That is not that small for an offensive lineman. He's actually bigger than Molk was, if memory serves.
I didn't see Miller get blown up. I thought the 1st team held their own actually. Obviously, they didn't make a lot of yards, but they generally stalemated a really aggressive and probably pretty good defense. The one play that was reminiscant of last year where Hurst burst through might have been partially on him, but that was a missed assignment, not a strength thing. Either way, he didn't seem distinctly less capable than anyone else, including Glasgow while he was next to Miller. Kugler, the only other option at C, had an even worse day IMO and if I remember correctly had a snapping issue or two as well.
Green is #1 RB but he needs to be pushed; which is why you continually hear that DSmith and DJohnson are battling for position.
Word was last week that he needs to pass block better and that's what was holding him back.
Or the other guys are just good? The amount of sacred cows people have here for their preferred player/recruit is just ridiculous. The best guys will play, it's ok if it isn't your favorite guy.
I'm happy as long as Miller keeps earning starts at C.
If Miller is really better than Glasgow at C, our worst case scenario is that we have Kalis as a 6th OL. Assuming Kalis can play either G spot in an equally mediocre way, then we'd be in a position where, in case of an injury, Mags could take over for Cole, or Kalis could take over for Mags or Glasgow, or Glasgow could take over for Miller. The only possible spot where we could lose 1 OL and not have a serviceable backup is at RT, though maybe even there you can just shuffle Mags over and have Kalis draw into the lineup at LG.
That, perhaps sadly, would give us more serviceable depth than last year, which is ok by me. I know not everyone agrees that Miller at C is a good sign but I just don't see a scenario where he's starting at C over Glasgow without being the best center on the roster. We just aren't that hard up for guards.
I keep seeing recruiting scouts say over and over that guys like Cole aren't big enough to be a Tackle. They see anybody who isn't 6'7 and automatically say: too short, not enough wingspan, Guard. But I see reports on their atheltecism, technique, pad level, aggression, footwork, agility, and strength, and I think: why not? Duane Brown in Houston is 6'4 and made back to back Pro Bowls and All Pro, so I'm excited about Cole being a true freshman Left Tackle over taller, more experienced kids like Braden and Mags, because to me it means he's probably going to be really good.
Isn't wingspan more important than height? I thought I saw somewhere that Cole's arms were long.
Neither is really important in a practical sense. Theoretically, a long armed guy would have the advantage of not letting the rushing end into his chest. But if a kid can play, if he can use his feet well enough to stay in front of a guy, I'll take him over our prototype Mr. Fantastic every day.
Hoke: The offensive line learned a lot from Saturday's scrimmage. Greg (Mattison) doesn't make it easy for them.
— Michigan Football (@umichfootball) August 20, 2014
DJ Steve Porter remix
You don't say.
guess this Cole thing really IS happening. Hope he is as good as Hoke sees him
Kalis will start week 1 at RG. Hoke will have the best 5 set by the end of the week, Kalis just needs to get reps with these guys to get a feel as a group.
He has a back problem. If it is a pulled muscle, it can take a lot of time to get over. If it is a bone problem, it can be career threatening. If it is a nerve problem, it can be debilitating.
Do not assume anything when dealing with a back injury. He might be the best player, but that does not mean he will start in week one or in any other week.
Cross your fingers.
They said it was minor and he was returning to practice yesterday FWIW
Is reaching levels that were previously uknown
Presser bits....mmmm delicious.
If the season started today, Glasgow would be suspended and we need to fill in the spots around him. If ND was today, the conversation changes, and I think Hoke is being coy about that. If Miller really does play this year, then Glasgow is a guard and the whole left side changes. The world rests on the shoulders of Miller.
Yep..no reason to let Nd know how the OL will change come week 2. Even if Hoke knows where glasgow will start against ND, he will make it sound like a close competition that week in practice and we wont know the lineup until ND kickoff.
...I would be broke. But I would also bet that the starting line for ND will be:
LG - Kalis
C - Miller
RG - Glasgow
RT - Braden
I buy that Cole has been exceptional for a true freshmen, I don't buy that he's better than Mags at this point in a game situation. The current "starting" line has to do with Glasgow's suspension and Kalis' injury.
I hope Jack Miller wins the inaugural Jack Miller Trophy for best player in the world. I have never before wanted individual success for a Michigan player this much.
A lot of people on this board would be really disappointed. "Hoke couldn't develop Glasgow as a Miller Trophy winner, what a bum."
If Cole is good enough not to worry about, which believe it or not seems to be the case, that allows the coaches to put a more seasoned guy at LG in Mags. Despite what Hoke is saying I think we all expect Glasgow to be at center once his suspension is over. The coaches talked up Miller last year too and we know how that worked out. It seems like Braden is at the very least not a huge concern, at least in terms of the effectiveness of the run game. I'm starting to get the feeling that our running game hinges on the development and health of Kalis. I just hope he's healthy enough to get reps so that this line can actually work together as long as possible and gel.
What I find amusing is that you have no problem believing or trusting Hoke regarding Cole, but not regarding Miller.
There is a little evidence against Miller. But there is no evidence whatsoever on Cole, and a mountain of probability against him.
I hope they both work out, I just think the disparity on expectations is interesting. It's why we all love recruits, but hate them when they become actual players.
There was congruency between what the coaches said about Cole and how he looked in the scrimmage in my eyes. The same was not true of Miller. I saw Miller struggle last year too and have no evidence that anything has changed. I'm no o-line coach, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's my impression. Do you really beleive what you're insinuating...that you're concerned about Cole and not about Miller? I don't blame any concerns regarding the line at this point, including Cole, but I have very little confidence in Miller until he proves me wrong. I guess it's more that Cole hasn't proven that he can't do the job yet, whereas Miller has. So, I'm more apt to beleive the coach talk on Cole than Miller.
I wasn't knocking your opinion, and I'm not really expressing one. I'm worried about the both of them (along with the rest) but I am willfully optimistic because at least these guys will have beaten someone out.
It's just a but of abstract thinking. Amused by the phenomenon where we give credence to things we want to believe and not to things we don't want to.
I see what you're saying. I don't know that I want to believe one over the other. It's hard to have strong optimistic beliefs with anything o-line related these days. More, it's just I've somewhat already closed the book on Miller, but Cole's book is still wide open in my eyes. I think it's more about gettting excited about something new than it is about where they fall in the recruiting rankings. The next big thing is always more exciting than the run of the mill thing you've already got. The new thing may not be any better, but at least there's still excitement about it's possibility.
Precisely what I was talking about. The new and unknown is always better. You can project your hopes onto it.
You're just smarter than me and articulated it better than I did.
I posted this in another thread too. I don't know if you're familiar with any of Chip and Dan Heath's books on psychology and change. But, one of the things they talk about is that bad is stronger than good. Of all the English words on human emotion 62% are negative. In a review of literature of over 200 scholarly articles one thing stood out...bad is stronger than good. People focus on the negative, remember negative events, and harp on negative things longer than they do good things that happen. So, in this particular situation once you've been exposed to poor play by Miller, that bad memory will stick with you longer than any good vibes that may be coming out of camp. But, with no negative memories on new guys like Cole, there's nothing to get in the way of our optimism. That could quickly change however.
Most of the comments above have to do with the OL, understandably so given the problem there. Here are a few other notes:
Can't wait for season to begin. Would also like to hear pressers from Mattison begin.
I'm not weighing in on the OL thing, because what the hell do I know right now, but boo to burning Mo Ways' redshirt just for special teams play. I understood the need to do that a couple of years ago when we probably didn't have enough non-true-freshmen to handle special teams well. That can't be the case now, can it? Grrrr.
Anything on Houma/Kerridge? Canteen/Norfleet? Bolden/Morgan? Countess/Lewis? Both interior DL spots?
Those to me are the battles that I'd like to know about this week.
...that threw a fit when I didn't have Peppers starting at CB in the latest depth chart.
SanDiego something or another. That guy was an ass. Hope he reads this.