Peppers and Mason Cole in one jersey
Hoke's OL as of today & other presser bits
Mason Cole riding on Peppers' shoulders.
Imagine the speed and quickness when running power with the pulling guard being that monster
I don't know, pad level could be an issue there.
Who's pads? They'd be a giant transformer disassemble to donkey people then reassemble to go find their next victim.
Master Blaster runs Bartertown.
Wtf am I looking at here???
Mason motherfuking peppers it's more powerful than a man-bear-pig
Face the wheel
welp, apparently my task for the day is to watch the mad max trilogy so that i may be a contributing member of society. so be it.
from the first to the second movie was the correct choice.
It probably was from a making money viewpoint.
He run Bartertown.
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome was after Mad Max 2.
Three was just a tad more absurd than two. That picture represents the continued descent pretty well.
The execs saw how much more money the second movie made and thus took it even further in three.
This pepper is best served Cold.
Long as Kalis slots into RG that's about what I'd hoped for
I think "set" doesn't mean what you think it does.
Edit: title changed. Comment no longer relevant.
caught up on some tweets and had to update the title
What's the source for this info or is this your projection? It's a bit unclear to me at least.
Hoke's press conference via twitter
Hoke said Cole at LT, Magnuson at LG, Miller at C, Braden at RT. RG seems to be the wide open position between Bosh, Joey B and Kalis.
— Josh Newkirk (@JoshNewkirk7) August 20, 2014
Hoke said there isn't a clear cut No. 1 RB. Green, Smith and Johnson are still the top three.
— Josh Newkirk (@JoshNewkirk7) August 20, 2014
Trying to be optimistic, but I don't think these positions are wide open because we have a bunch of great players competing for them.
Wondering where Graham fits in after the first game. Finding it hard to believe that he would fall off the map when he is by far the most experienced lineman on the roster and was the only anchor in the black hole that was Michigan's 2013 interior line.
Does he displace Miller? Kalis/Bosch? Or does he go to LG and bump Mags to LT?
I'm hoping for option 1, then 2, then 3. If it's 3 I'd hate to think that Cole burned his RS for nothing.
That said, a true freshman will be Alabama's starting LT too this year..
He got hurt in the scrimmage. Ankle or foot thing... they taped it up and sent him back out, only to pull him again after a few plays. He was walking normally off the field from what I could tell, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was being held out (these things tend to be worse the day or two days after they happen). And, there's also the suspension thing, so they may just be trying to find their Aug30 lineup right now.
Someone asked if Glasgow would replace Miller, Hoke that was one possibility.
I think Glasgow is the leader at RG right now. Not sure if that slides Kalis (whom Hoke confirmed is working at both OG spots) to LG and Magnuson to LT, or if that means Kalis, Bosch, and Joey are on the outside looking in.
I think it will be Cole Mags Glasgow Kalis Braden. Once Glasgow gets back and assuming Kalis back holds up.
Just watched the presser and saw that. So really when Glasgow comes back the last real competition is between Kalis and miller. I know they don't play the same position, but it comes down to which combination results in a better line. (I don't buy that Glasgow won't start for a second)
Hoke says Peppers will still focus on playing Mostly nickel.
— Josh Newkirk (@JoshNewkirk7) August 20, 2014
It sounds like he is going to start at corner and move to nickel in that formation. He's not coming off the field.
Okay okay okay chill out guys. Braxton Miller said he's transferring to play OL for Michigan. Damn Hoke really is changing the tide. "Miller was quoted in the recent Freep interview as being a better OL than everyone we have so he's gonna transfer because he likes Hoke that much"
Could it be that Hoke can't identify a top RB because none of them can gain any yards with the current state of our OL? Honest question.
Running back is a position where you can really shuffle in as many guys as you want. I think he has an idea of who he likes but he wants to see who performs the best in a game scenario. Whereas the offensive line is a position group you want to avoid screwing with, running back rotations don't really hurt you in any way.
I think Hoke is searching desparately for a running back that doesnt need those hole-type thingies to run through for positive yards.
So far we've been unsuccessful in that quest.
Barry Sanders doesn't have any eligibility left and sadly Walter Payton has passed away long ago.
Does anyone know when they will find out about Ty Isaac's eligibility?
So far no timeline has been announced, even Hoke said he doesn't know when. Waiting on NCAA.
With the NCAA being what it is, I'm fully expecting a February announcement that yes, Isaac hypothetically could have played in 2014.
I been wondering this since the scrimmage, could it be that the interchanging on the OL is cause for the RB not getting familair with a set O Line group allowing them to bulid a chemistry with one group?
Maybe Green had the right idea last year when he came into camp a bit plump....
Hoke likes Miller!? I assume people are panicking big time around here
I guess it Is better than Bud or Coors
For me, it's not that I dislike Miller, it's just that I have visions from last year of him getting blown up in the middle. I hope he's physically stronger this year.
Players DO improve as they get older. Hoke being positive and Miller potentially taking over Glasgow is a very good sign.
... you watch the SUTL.
or at least visibly better, according to LSASuperstar's detailed analysis of the Michigan Drill practice video [EDIT: bumped to Diary from Board?]. Here's his desciption of one of Miller's reps:
REP 28 @ 3:07 O: J. Miller (C) D: W. Henry (DT) T: D. Green (RB) Interesting. Miller stands up Henry, who uses pure strength on Miller to push the opposite way than he'd prefer to go; Miller says "sure" and seals the backside while staying in control. Green reacts with a jump-cut to get free. Miller looks very strong here.
Can't wait till Glasgow is off suspension so they can get miller off the field
Top line is gonna be Cole, Magnuson, Glasgow, Kalis, Braden
It seems the coaches have wanted it to be that way (kept talking about it), but between Mags/Kalis injuries and Glasgow suspension...can't make it set. A lot of fans want this too...including me.
Let's see Miller in a game and see if he's has gotten better before we discount him. Yeah, he didn't look good last year, but RS SO to RS JR could still be a big step up for a OL.
But he didn't exactly light it up in the scrimmage either.
This is where I was before the night scrimmage (and I was a critic of Miller last year: he's a smart, decent player but too small to start at M... a good back-up).
But doesn't the scrimmage give you pause? I wasn't there, but Sam Webb gave a pretty comprehensive play-by-play of the event., along with the thread on this board and Baumgardner at Mlive. Hurst and Henry were blowing up everything. I know they were second team, but even during the 1-on-1's. Pretty sure I saw Miller mentioned as getting blown up pretty regularly. Which is consistent with last year.
Miller is 6-4, 299 lbs. That is not that small for an offensive lineman. He's actually bigger than Molk was, if memory serves.
I didn't see Miller get blown up. I thought the 1st team held their own actually. Obviously, they didn't make a lot of yards, but they generally stalemated a really aggressive and probably pretty good defense. The one play that was reminiscant of last year where Hurst burst through might have been partially on him, but that was a missed assignment, not a strength thing. Either way, he didn't seem distinctly less capable than anyone else, including Glasgow while he was next to Miller. Kugler, the only other option at C, had an even worse day IMO and if I remember correctly had a snapping issue or two as well.
Green is #1 RB but he needs to be pushed; which is why you continually hear that DSmith and DJohnson are battling for position.
Word was last week that he needs to pass block better and that's what was holding him back.
Or the other guys are just good? The amount of sacred cows people have here for their preferred player/recruit is just ridiculous. The best guys will play, it's ok if it isn't your favorite guy.
I'm happy as long as Miller keeps earning starts at C.
If Miller is really better than Glasgow at C, our worst case scenario is that we have Kalis as a 6th OL. Assuming Kalis can play either G spot in an equally mediocre way, then we'd be in a position where, in case of an injury, Mags could take over for Cole, or Kalis could take over for Mags or Glasgow, or Glasgow could take over for Miller. The only possible spot where we could lose 1 OL and not have a serviceable backup is at RT, though maybe even there you can just shuffle Mags over and have Kalis draw into the lineup at LG.
That, perhaps sadly, would give us more serviceable depth than last year, which is ok by me. I know not everyone agrees that Miller at C is a good sign but I just don't see a scenario where he's starting at C over Glasgow without being the best center on the roster. We just aren't that hard up for guards.
I keep seeing recruiting scouts say over and over that guys like Cole aren't big enough to be a Tackle. They see anybody who isn't 6'7 and automatically say: too short, not enough wingspan, Guard. But I see reports on their atheltecism, technique, pad level, aggression, footwork, agility, and strength, and I think: why not? Duane Brown in Houston is 6'4 and made back to back Pro Bowls and All Pro, so I'm excited about Cole being a true freshman Left Tackle over taller, more experienced kids like Braden and Mags, because to me it means he's probably going to be really good.
Isn't wingspan more important than height? I thought I saw somewhere that Cole's arms were long.
Neither is really important in a practical sense. Theoretically, a long armed guy would have the advantage of not letting the rushing end into his chest. But if a kid can play, if he can use his feet well enough to stay in front of a guy, I'll take him over our prototype Mr. Fantastic every day.
Hoke: The offensive line learned a lot from Saturday's scrimmage. Greg (Mattison) doesn't make it easy for them.
— Michigan Football (@umichfootball) August 20, 2014
DJ Steve Porter remix
You don't say.
guess this Cole thing really IS happening. Hope he is as good as Hoke sees him
Kalis will start week 1 at RG. Hoke will have the best 5 set by the end of the week, Kalis just needs to get reps with these guys to get a feel as a group.
He has a back problem. If it is a pulled muscle, it can take a lot of time to get over. If it is a bone problem, it can be career threatening. If it is a nerve problem, it can be debilitating.
Do not assume anything when dealing with a back injury. He might be the best player, but that does not mean he will start in week one or in any other week.
Cross your fingers.
They said it was minor and he was returning to practice yesterday FWIW
Is reaching levels that were previously uknown
Presser bits....mmmm delicious.
If the season started today, Glasgow would be suspended and we need to fill in the spots around him. If ND was today, the conversation changes, and I think Hoke is being coy about that. If Miller really does play this year, then Glasgow is a guard and the whole left side changes. The world rests on the shoulders of Miller.
Yep..no reason to let Nd know how the OL will change come week 2. Even if Hoke knows where glasgow will start against ND, he will make it sound like a close competition that week in practice and we wont know the lineup until ND kickoff.
...I would be broke. But I would also bet that the starting line for ND will be:
LG - Kalis
C - Miller
RG - Glasgow
RT - Braden
I buy that Cole has been exceptional for a true freshmen, I don't buy that he's better than Mags at this point in a game situation. The current "starting" line has to do with Glasgow's suspension and Kalis' injury.
I hope Jack Miller wins the inaugural Jack Miller Trophy for best player in the world. I have never before wanted individual success for a Michigan player this much.
A lot of people on this board would be really disappointed. "Hoke couldn't develop Glasgow as a Miller Trophy winner, what a bum."
If Cole is good enough not to worry about, which believe it or not seems to be the case, that allows the coaches to put a more seasoned guy at LG in Mags. Despite what Hoke is saying I think we all expect Glasgow to be at center once his suspension is over. The coaches talked up Miller last year too and we know how that worked out. It seems like Braden is at the very least not a huge concern, at least in terms of the effectiveness of the run game. I'm starting to get the feeling that our running game hinges on the development and health of Kalis. I just hope he's healthy enough to get reps so that this line can actually work together as long as possible and gel.
What I find amusing is that you have no problem believing or trusting Hoke regarding Cole, but not regarding Miller.
There is a little evidence against Miller. But there is no evidence whatsoever on Cole, and a mountain of probability against him.
I hope they both work out, I just think the disparity on expectations is interesting. It's why we all love recruits, but hate them when they become actual players.
There was congruency between what the coaches said about Cole and how he looked in the scrimmage in my eyes. The same was not true of Miller. I saw Miller struggle last year too and have no evidence that anything has changed. I'm no o-line coach, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's my impression. Do you really beleive what you're insinuating...that you're concerned about Cole and not about Miller? I don't blame any concerns regarding the line at this point, including Cole, but I have very little confidence in Miller until he proves me wrong. I guess it's more that Cole hasn't proven that he can't do the job yet, whereas Miller has. So, I'm more apt to beleive the coach talk on Cole than Miller.
I wasn't knocking your opinion, and I'm not really expressing one. I'm worried about the both of them (along with the rest) but I am willfully optimistic because at least these guys will have beaten someone out.
It's just a but of abstract thinking. Amused by the phenomenon where we give credence to things we want to believe and not to things we don't want to.
I see what you're saying. I don't know that I want to believe one over the other. It's hard to have strong optimistic beliefs with anything o-line related these days. More, it's just I've somewhat already closed the book on Miller, but Cole's book is still wide open in my eyes. I think it's more about gettting excited about something new than it is about where they fall in the recruiting rankings. The next big thing is always more exciting than the run of the mill thing you've already got. The new thing may not be any better, but at least there's still excitement about it's possibility.
Precisely what I was talking about. The new and unknown is always better. You can project your hopes onto it.
You're just smarter than me and articulated it better than I did.
I posted this in another thread too. I don't know if you're familiar with any of Chip and Dan Heath's books on psychology and change. But, one of the things they talk about is that bad is stronger than good. Of all the English words on human emotion 62% are negative. In a review of literature of over 200 scholarly articles one thing stood out...bad is stronger than good. People focus on the negative, remember negative events, and harp on negative things longer than they do good things that happen. So, in this particular situation once you've been exposed to poor play by Miller, that bad memory will stick with you longer than any good vibes that may be coming out of camp. But, with no negative memories on new guys like Cole, there's nothing to get in the way of our optimism. That could quickly change however.
Most of the comments above have to do with the OL, understandably so given the problem there. Here are a few other notes:
- Starting safeties will be Jarrod Wilson & Jeremy Clark.
- Green/Smith 1 & 1a at RB, while Hayes & Johnson are 3rd down RB.
- Funchess is catching more consistently (thank goodness.)
- Mo Ways won't crack depth chart, but contribute on spec. teams.
- Gardner is clearly the starter (like we didn't know) because of "intangibles."
- (as noted above) Peppers stays at Nickel, not starting as boundary corner yet.
Can't wait for season to begin. Would also like to hear pressers from Mattison begin.
I'm not weighing in on the OL thing, because what the hell do I know right now, but boo to burning Mo Ways' redshirt just for special teams play. I understood the need to do that a couple of years ago when we probably didn't have enough non-true-freshmen to handle special teams well. That can't be the case now, can it? Grrrr.
Anything on Houma/Kerridge? Canteen/Norfleet? Bolden/Morgan? Countess/Lewis? Both interior DL spots?
Those to me are the battles that I'd like to know about this week.
...that threw a fit when I didn't have Peppers starting at CB in the latest depth chart.
SanDiego something or another. That guy was an ass. Hope he reads this.
I'm worried about the cohesivness and actually skill level of the entire line. Miller's a vet who's gotten bigger and earned his PT. I'm far more worried about guys playing together and getting this thing done together.
Last year 3 or 4 guys would ROUTINELY do the right things and something extremely positive on a play. But 1 or 2 guys would f it up with a mistake.
All it takes is 1 and a DT is in the backfield blowing up a play.
Devin also has to be able to check to something other than Option left or right out of the Pistol Formation. It was literally the most obvious call in all of college football last year.
It's settled then. Now we can get down to business.
This oline will not be bad this year. I'm so annoyed with all the naysayers. All they need is time to gel and the fact that hoke has basically picked out his top 5 or 6 means they are on the right track. I got faith in these guys. With an improved oline, this team's floor is minimum 10 games. I can't freakin wait!! However, my true prediction will come in a few days. It's gonna be gooooddd
am already holding my breath. In fact, I'm turning Maize and Blue.
I finally got to watch some SUTL clips on the various blog sites, and my tl;dr summation of the O-line is . . . not as bad as I feared!
I've been in a near despondent panic based on what I've been reading, but after watching live action (albeit a very limited sample), I honestly believe they're better than they are being portrayed.
I was off the web all scrimmage since I wanted to focus on watching the scrimmage. I was pretty shocked how negative everyone was being when I finally logged on. I was especially surprised by the reporter types, who I would have expected better from. The 1st unit played markedly differently than the 2nd unit, but there was very little acknowledgement of that fact and it seemed people just generically called the OL performance bad. We didn't look good, but there was clear improvement, IMO. Considering they hadn't yet locked down a starting rotation, and that Kalis and Glasgow both missed all/lots of the scrimmage, I thought the scrimmage was relatively positive.
In fact, I'm more concerned with Devin Gardner. He still seems to make poor decisions and hold the ball too long. I fear he hasn't gotten over the turnover bug. I hope I'm wrong.
I mean this with only minimal sarcasm:
Devin Gardner is a saint.
If you thought last year was bad, image where we would have been without Gardner. We probably go down as the worst Michigan team ever, winning 2 games or so. Every win we had was because of Devin Gardner's play. Sure, his errors made Akron and UConn close and might have cost us the Penn State game, but he single handedly beat ND and was responsible for every good thing our offense did.
I mean this with no sarcasm. Don't get me wrong, I thing DG is a very good QB and I wholeheartedly agree we don't have near the season we had last year (as mediocre as it was) without his heroics. But my post was about how he seemingly still makes the same mistakes he made last year and compared to the O-line I'm more concerned with him.
That's certainly an opinion that one might hold. But one could argue that the OL was responsible for all 6 losses and a few near misses, while Gardner was responsible for 6 wins and almost singlehandedly willed us to win the OSU game.
One could see Morris beating Central and no one else.
I have no idea what your point is. Sorry. Mine was about SUTL and the concern I have of DG relative to the O-line from watching clips of it.
My point is that the OL was a far greater concern than DG last year. And so, unless you think the OL has made a quantum leap in performance, they are still a larger concern than DG. Basically, your opinion is one I disagree with, and I don't find it reasonable to say what you did in your OP.
One more response from me and I'm done. My original post expresses my opinion that the OL is better than is being portrayed based on what I saw in SUTL. A subsequent post expresses my opinion that I'm more concerned about DG than the O-line. I don't know how I can express myself any clearer, so feel free to read into it what you will. Have the last word, my friend. Bye.
Nickel corner will give him fewer defensive possession. Hopefully to allow him to return punts and be involved in the occasional offensive play.