Hoke on Tressel

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March 9th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
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Hoke on Tressel

Brady Hoke comments (in MGoBlog's Favorite Newspaper) on Tressel:

http://www.freep.com/print/article/20110309/SPORTS06/110309037/Michigan-...

Regular version, in case the Print one expires:

http://www.freep.com/article/201103091350/SPORTS06/110309037

His remarks seemed too unrehearsed and off-the-cuff for my taste.  Just saying Tressel is a "good man" (however preposterous that might be to some) and a "good coach" (much more supportable) would be fine.

But adding "... they'll fight through that situation ..." and then "... I don't know that situation ..." is, at best, awkward.  Why say anything like that?  Certain other coaches at UMich have been tattooed for being "unpolished."

One wonders what Corporate Guy Brandon (who would not be expected to shoot from the hip) thought when reading that.

"500 channels and nothing but cats."

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March 9th, 2011 at 4:58 PM | Eh, I found nothing wrong (Score:1)
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Eh, I found nothing wrong with what he said or how.  Pretty much what you would expect, or want, your coach to say; complimentary and non-comment-ive.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:08 PM | Agree (Score:1)
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I agree.  That is about what I expected him to say as well.  You can argue that it was "unrehearsed" but he had to know as the Michgan Football coach that he would be answering that question at some point (and probably often in the future.)  I thought the comment was fine.

Keep the change ya filthy animal.

March 9th, 2011 at 4:58 PM | hmmmm... (Score:1)
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A solid "no comment" would have sufficed or, in a pinch, "I'm just here to talk about these great young men here at Michigan".

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:16 PM | Agreed (Score:1)
profitgoblue
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Why comment on an ongoing investigation, and one that does not involve Michigan in any way, shape or form?  No good can come of it.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:49 PM | How is that commenting? (Score:1)
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He was complimentary of Tressel, said he doesn't know the situation and that he's focused on Michigan.  Did you read the article and quotes?  A perfectly fine response.  C'mon people.

March 9th, 2011 at 6:20 PM | Short Answer (Score:1)
profitgoblue
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Short answer:  Say "no comment" and move on.  That's how its done professionally.  No need to say more.

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March 9th, 2011 at 6:27 PM | "No comment" strikes me as (Score:1)
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"No comment" strikes me as being evasive.  Hoke - I would hope - has nothing to hide here.

March 9th, 2011 at 9:17 PM | I agree (Score:1)
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What he said showed respect and was essentially coach speak for "no comment" anyway. He focused it back on Michigan.

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March 9th, 2011 at 9:06 PM | So you'd have preferred that Tressel had said (Score:1)
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"No comment" when asked about the charges against Rich Rod, rather than coming to his defense?

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March 9th, 2011 at 9:23 PM | Yes, exactly (Score:1)
profitgoblue
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Yes, that is exactly what I would expect of Tressel in that situation.  Thanks for asking the question even though I'm sure you did not expect me to answer in the affirmative.

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March 9th, 2011 at 9:31 PM | I just find it hilarious (Score:1)
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That you'd (now) rather that he threw Rich under the bus by making it look shady with a "no comment" than say "geeze, everyone could get in trouble for that". And if that's what he had said then, there would have been a lot of screaming about Tressel making Rich look bad over the Freep BS. Maybe not you. Maybe.

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March 10th, 2011 at 11:53 AM | I'm not following (Score:1)
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I don't see how saying "no comment" makes it somehow look shady.  Maybe people are too sensitive?  Would it be better to say:  "I choose not to discuss those matters that do not concern our program" ?  Either way, same result.  No reason to discuss someone else's program, especially not when there are serious charges pending.  Its akin to someone discussing someone else's criminal charges.  No good can come of it.  And, for the record, Rodriguez did not need Tressel's support in my opinion.

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March 10th, 2011 at 2:32 PM | Apparently Rich didn't take your advice either (Score:1)
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http://detnews.com/article/20110310/SPORTS0201/103100446/Rich-Rodriguez--OSU-didn’t-recruit-negatively-against-U-M--but-others-did

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

March 9th, 2011 at 4:59 PM | Fancy and awkward way to say "no real comment" IMHO (Score:1)
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I agree,  he just should have said he didn't know the specifics and doesn't want to comment on it...but still I find it much ado about nothing

March 9th, 2011 at 5:00 PM | If you're expecting Hoke to (Score:1)
jmblue
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If you're expecting Hoke to say anything remotely negative here about Tressel, that's not going to happen.  That would make him look very petty.  And honestly, as a football coach, Hoke is probably well aware that this kind of stuff can easily go on anywhere.  

March 9th, 2011 at 5:03 PM | Which is why they should've (Score:1)
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Which is why they should've asked Dantonio.

I'm also hoping Hoke doesn't think this can go on anywhere. This is just Tressel being a scumbag. I doubt Hoke is the same way.

Go Blue!

March 9th, 2011 at 5:09 PM | Other than apparently lying (Score:1)
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Other than apparently lying about when he found out, the actual violations in question (free tattoos, sold gold pants, etc.) can very easily go on anywhere.  When you have cash-strapped players in a community that idolizes them and wants to do them favors, it's very easily for NCAA violations to occur, no matter how well-intentioned the coach is.  

March 9th, 2011 at 5:12 PM | They can; no argument. But (Score:1)
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They can; no argument. But we're not talking about free benefits, we're talking about an organized coverup by a highly paid athletic department official who admittedly knew better. As a head coach, he should have more integrity than this, and the fact is he doesn't.

I don't see anything in Brady Hoke's past as shady as Tressel's, so I'm hopeful that Hoke would do the right thing.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:28 PM | Yes, it's the lie that may (Score:1)
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Yes, it's the lie that may end up getting OSU killed.  But I think college athletics are a lot dirtier than people think, and that it's likely that the average coach does sweep the occasional violation under the rug, because there are just so many rules and it's so easy for some of them to be broken.  Coaches are in a tough position, having to constantly keep vigilant, and I think they can sympathize with their colleagues when the nearly inevitable violations come to light.

 

March 9th, 2011 at 5:34 PM | There are, but if I was (Score:1)
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There are, but if I was Tressel, the second I heard Pryor's name associated with possible violations in such specific terms, I don't think it's a moral gray area.

I could email Hoke right now and tell him that Denard and Roundtree are both being paid a million dollars a season to play, and I wouldn't expect him to follow it up. If I told him that I saw player a rack up a $1,500 bar tab at place x, y, and z on the night of the MSU win, which was then paid for by booster b, I would absolutely expect him to do something, or tell someone.

Tressel lied about major violations, and not just major in name. I think he deserves a very harsh penalty for just how unethical his actions were.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:36 PM | Dantonio (Score:1)
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He is no doubt beside himself with grief over his mentor JT and would like to spin it to thwart there common enemy…   

summery=Dantonio is a douche

Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:02 PM | negativity (Score:1)
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"If you're expecting Hoke to say anything remotely negative here about Tressel, that's not going to happen."

Where did you get that idea?  Seriously, where?  I must have required a leap of faith.

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For the record, I very much agree that saying something negative would be poor form.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:07 PM | Where did he get that idea? (Score:1)
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Where did he get that idea? Because he assumes Hoke isn't an idiot. Unpolished maybe, but I would hope that he's been around long enough to know not to come out and say negative things about Tressel at this point (or even later on, if OSU gets hammered by the NCAA).

I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:10 PM | to the point (Score:1)
Jasper
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GB in TX, I was wondering why he thought *I* would think that.

Just to clarify ... I didn't see anything in my original post that hinted at that type of assumption (that Hoke would ever trash JT).

"500 channels and nothing but cats."

March 9th, 2011 at 5:13 PM | Ah, gotcha. Sorry, that makes (Score:1)
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Ah, gotcha. Sorry, that makes more sense.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:24 PM | I'm just curious . . . what (Score:1)
jmblue
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I'm just curious . . . what did you expect him to say?

March 9th, 2011 at 5:50 PM | expectations (Score:1)
Jasper
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I haven't seen enough of him to set expectations, but I'm not surprised at how he handled it.

Seriously, I realize that he won't be judged, ever, too harshly on incidents like this (except by me).  If he brings prosperity to the program I'll be happy.

"500 channels and nothing but cats."

March 9th, 2011 at 6:07 PM | Really?  In the OP you seemed (Score:1)
jmblue
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Really?  In the OP you seemed somewhat surprised/taken aback.

March 9th, 2011 at 9:10 PM | If you're the only one judging him harshly on it (Score:1)
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Why do I find it hard to believe you'll be all that happy if he brings prosperity?

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:37 PM | If Hoke is considered (Score:1)
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If Hoke is considered unpolished, which he is, I certainly wouldn't call Tressel's speech poetic by any stretch. Also everytime I see Gee I want to give DB a hug. While I am at it, Pryor has the same effect when it comes to Denard. It's great to be blue again.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:55 PM | jumping (Score:1)
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"Right, you're just jumping on Hoke for being "unpolished" in revenge for other people doing so when Rodriguez was coach."

Don't jump to conclusions or anything.

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March 9th, 2011 at 4:59 PM | Who cares? (Score:1)
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Who cares?

March 9th, 2011 at 5:01 PM | Hurray! (Score:1)
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Campbell is back at DT!

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Brilliant!

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:02 PM | Tressel is a popular man on (Score:1)
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Tressel is a popular man on this blog...why? I have no clue..

 

 

March 9th, 2011 at 5:09 PM | I think he is a good guy (Score:1)
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I may be in the minority, but I think he is a good guy.  I have to run b/c I'm at work and don't have much time to get into why - he helped the grandson of a co-worker.  Suffice it to say that there are reasons for people to respect him despite the fact that we want to beat him on the field more than anything.

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March 9th, 2011 at 6:18 PM | I think we could find many (Score:1)
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I think we could find many examples where coaches use their position to do good when they have a chance.  Kudos to them--scores of families and individuals and communities are the better for their actions.  Whether it's calling on sick kids or giving signed footballs to nonprofit fundraisers, coaches help out and give back a ton.  I'm glad Tressel is one of them, and I respect him for that.

I am sure I will feel a little more conflicted about this mess if I was told more about the times when he's been generous.  But it's not going to outweigh (what may turn out to be) a serious lapse in judgment, or any wrongdoing. 

 

 

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:25 PM | If people on this blog (Score:1)
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If people on this blog agreeing that Hoke said the right things make Tressel popular on this blog, then so be it.  If you think we should give Hoke crap about not saying negative things about Tressel, then you have no clue how a head coach should act.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:30 PM | What are you talking about? I (Score:1)
gObLuE1992
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What are you talking about? I was referring to how many Tressel 'threads' there are...he's becoming a very popular man on this blog..

What Hoke said was fine.

 

 

March 9th, 2011 at 5:33 PM | My bad, I thought you were (Score:1)
ken725
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My bad, I thought you were saying that Hoke should have said more about the situation.

To be honest he is really popular person not only on this blog, but the internet in general.

Greetings from Bolivia.

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March 9th, 2011 at 6:16 PM | Reminds me of Tiger Woods (Score:1)
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While Tiger Woods was very popular in the sports world before his infidelities were revealed in 2009, it wasn't until afterwards that people outside the sports world were really talking about him.

Michigan's offensive style requires more players that have greater interactions with the Higgs field.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:07 PM | He didn't comment on the (Score:1)
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He didn't comment on the situation at all, really. Seems like a fine reaction to me.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:08 PM | " One wonders what Corporate (Score:1)
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" One wonders what Corporate Guy Brandon (who would not be expected to shoot from the hip) thought when reading that."

Brandon said many times after Hoke was hired that he's, "not the toastmaster general, but he's a hell of a football coach." I think we can apply this statement to what Brandon thinks of Hoke's statements. This statement from you is just some unnecessary speculative nonsense.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:09 PM | I've been meaning to ask, how (Score:1)
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I've been meaning to ask, how does one become toastmaster general and what does the job entail? I think I'd be pretty good at it.

I am this close to going all Dark Blue in here.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:12 PM | I believe it requires a lot (Score:1)
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I believe it requires a lot of money, and a lot of people liking you. Also I assume it helps if you look good in a finely tailored suit.

March 9th, 2011 at 5:14 PM | Give us your best shot after (Score:1)
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Give us your best shot after we beat Illinois, I think the board can tell you if you're qualified or not.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:19 PM | Uh oh, I'll be traveling (Score:1)
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Uh oh, I'll be traveling Friday. That probably doesn't bode well for my application.

Instead, please take into consideration my most recent best man toast.*

*NOTE: Not actually me and not a real best man toast.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:24 PM | That was awesome. "Top half, (Score:1)
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That was awesome. "Top half, probably...but that's only because of her relative youth..."

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:16 PM | toastmaster general (Score:1)
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Toastmaster general?  That's hilarious.  Seems that he did actually say that, though:

http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Board/93/Hoke-Presser-question-765135/5

Yes, it's probably true that Brandon won't be too concerned with the specifics here, but it's hard to imagine Urban Meyer / Nick Saban (ethics aside ... ethics aside) speaking that way.

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March 9th, 2011 at 7:55 PM | 1:30-something (Score:1)
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Outstanding ... thanks.

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March 9th, 2011 at 5:08 PM | I imagine Brandon feels just (Score:1)
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I imagine Brandon feels just fine reading the following quotes from Hoke;

"He's a good man, and I have a lot of respect for him, and they'll fight through that situation, and it will have no effects on the rivalry," Hoke said today during a meet-and-greet luncheon with his coaching staff.

"I've known Jim Tressel a long time. He's a quality guy, a doggone good football coach, and I don't know that situation," Hoke said. "I know what we're focused on at Michigan."

That's essentially coach speak for 'no comment.' Any of 1000 coaches in D1 (if there were so many!) could have said that.

The fact that you, Jasper, find this 'unpolished' or in some way objectionable clearly says more about your opinion of Hoke than anything.

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