He redshirted in 2011.
He redshirted in 2011.
Local Detroit radio is reporting that when Devin got off the plane out west he was on crutches and wearing a large boot...
Doesn't mean the DG won't start and play, it's only Monday. I think Hoke has shown that when he makes a statement that's how it is.
I don't think he plays. If anything Hoke is usually more optimistic about players playing. He isn't bluffing.
Prayers and well wishes to the Gibbons family.
Be a bluff to make K State prep for both QBs when the film on Shane is slim to nil to game plan against ? All I see is that Devin is still not at 100% and IF the BWW Bowl started today Shane is the starter. That's it.
KSU won't be deterred at all by not knowing who the qb is.
Hoke said Gardner won't practice today. Will have to practice by Wednesday to potentially play Saturday night
— angelique (@chengelis) December 23, 2013
Hoke: "we're going into it that Shane will be the guy". Still says turf toe is Gardner injury...says there are different degrees of injury
— angelique (@chengelis) December 23, 2013
Like others have stated, Hoke has pretty much spelled it out, and it doesn't help that Gardner remains on crutches. Glad I won't be able to watch Saturday.
This is not all that bad for Hoke (and Borges and Michigan). If Shane starts and Michigan loses, there's a built-in excuse. Does it really make a huge difference if you finish 8-5 or 7-6? It also gets Morris some needed experience in a real game. And, it avoids the possibility of Gardner suffering an even more severe injury while trying to play at less than 100%.
Somehow I don't think the folks in Schembechler Hall are excited about potentially having "built-in excuses." They want to win and this makes that a lot harder to do.
I don't think it's controversial to say that Borges must have had a hot seat at points during this year (e.g., when we were breaking 40 year records of offensiveness ineptitude). Given that he always points to "execution" as the problem and never admits that any of the problems can be attributed to him (e.g., never says something like "I called a bad game -- I shouldn't have run Fitz that 27th time when we were averaging 1 yard a carry"), it is not implausible to think that it will cross Borges' mind that a poor offensive showing this weekend could be blamed on a true freshman QB in his first start. Frankly, it's a much better excuse than blaming OL recruiting from 3-4 years ago, or the youth at OL in a late season game when everyone has starts under their belts.
how long until the first "Move DG back to WR" post?
I'll start the over/under at 5 minutes after the game ends.
If Shane looks good, I'll take the under (first post during the game).
I guess I should have pointed out that my over/under was for a thread being started. I agree the first good thing Shane does there will probably be a post in the game thread saying he should be the starter.
If Shane throws a TD at any point of the game someone will post it immediately.
Corollary: How long after that happens do we have the first "oh, shit, I forgot how sloppy his routes are!" post?
Isn't turf toe usually a recovery time of 3-4 weeks? I think Gardner plays, but this boot and crutches thing is to keep him off it. I know turf toe is really about staying off and resting it to keep inflammation down. As long as he is rehabbing, I think he plays. It's good strategy to keep the other team on its toes.
seems to be the consensus, from what I've seen on line.
Has Gardner had any bowl practice at all? I can't imagine he has considering the crutches and boot. I would think Morris is the starter for this bowl game regardless of what the doctors say at this point.
Hoke said a few days ago that he had participated in some throwing drills but hadn't been cleared to practice fully.
I don't see why people keep saying this game is meaningless? 8-5 is a lot better than 7-6 to me.
goal is Rose Bowl or better all non-BCS games are irrelevant. Dont get me wrong, ill watch and cheer my ass off for Michigan whenever they play but this game is nothing more than a glorified exhibition game.
Well, the B1G's representative in the Rose Bowl this year (MSU) played in this exact bowl last year. Think it was a meaningless experience for them?
You don't win the B1G without understanding that you've got to play your ass off every week of the season. If we approach this game as a meaningless exhibition we won't have learned that lesson.
time you get with your younger players is way more important than the game itself.
To me it is somewhere in the middle regarding the importance of this game. Obviously to different people its importance varies. Shane probably thinks this is hugely important since this is a great opportunity to show what he's been working on for the past year. If he doesn't do well oh true freshman wtvr. If he does do well then at least we know we have two quarterbacks who can get it done.
8-5 is marginally better than 7-6 and is a nice way to end the season and turn the page but we will still be below most reasonable expectations.
Also this is basically like playing Iowa again except at a neutral site. What I mean by that is that KSU is a solid team but not exactly elite either and plays in a conference that is probably on par with the Big Ten.
Anyway obviously you want to win but you don't want to put Gardner out there unless he is fully healthy IMO.
He is on crutches 5 days before a meaningless game. Gardner shouldn't play.
So if Devin is out, that means that Shane is #1 and I assume that Cleary moves up to #2. Who is the #3 guy? Is it Bellomy or Alex Swieca? Ordinarily, I would assume it would be Bellomy (given that he already used up his RS year as a FR), but given that he hasn't played at all this year and that he might have a chance for medical redshirt for a sixth year, would they keep him on the shelf and use Swieca? Might it even be Jeremy Gallon?
I will say that one of the few recruiting issues I've had with this staff is not picking up a QB in the 2012 class. That's the main reason that Shane had to burn his RS this year and is also directly responsible for us having either two walk-ons backing him up this game or having one walk-on and another guy that just started practicing.
Does anyone remember what happened with QB recruiting that year? I was looking on Touch the Banner and it listed several guys with offers. If I remember correctly, we finished second for Zeke Pike (which seems like a blessing now) and had somewhat of a shot with Gunnar Kiel (who seemed to cool on Michigan after Shane committed) and don't remember being close to getting any of the other guys. Did the staff just stop going after guys after Shane committed and we lost out on Pike and Kiel?
I don't think you can get a 6th year if you've been redshirted (not medically redshirted).
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not really sure if that's the rule since 6th year 'shirts are rare.
If we have to go to our third string QB we are fucked anyway. Give it to Russell so he can get back into the fire as he is someone we may actually have to use down the road in future years.
I'm sure Gallon wouldn't be the guy. My guess is that it would be Alex Swieca as the #3 guy. We might have a chance with Shane Morris at quarterback, but if we have to go to Cleary, we're almost certainly doomed.
Michigan went after a couple guys in the 2012 class, but not very hard. When things appeared bleak with the coaches' top guys, they simply didn't go after anyone else. This despite the fact that Hoke said he would take a quarterback in every single class. Aside from the guys you mentioned, the coaches also went after Devin Fuller (who's playing WR for UCLA) and a couple other guys with questionable character (Jake Rodrigues, Bennie Coney). I think the coaches had Morris in line for the 2013 class and just didn't try very hard with the 2012 quarterback situation.
I was insistent that Michigan would take a QB in 2012, and I was sort of shocked when it played out differently. I still think it might have bit Michigan in the butt, if not in the bowl game, then at other points in the year when Michigan a) could have replaced Gardner to keep him healthy and b) could have redshirted Morris. In my opinion, that's one of Michigan's biggest recruiting failures in the Hoke era.
Tape the toe so its completely immobilized and let Gardner throw like a pocket-passer. He was really slow against OSU and did perfectly fine anyways.
I mean shit, Byron Leftwich threw for 208 yards with a broken leg.
it's not that simple. it isn't just about his mobility. it's about his ability to plant his foot and throw in an accurate manner with a strong foundation. gardner already struggled with his footwork this year. playing without being able to plant would be a disaster.
Think about how much this blog would be freaking out right now if Morris hadn't already burned his redshirt. So for the lack of freak out, I thank you Coach Hoke.
He has a checkered past and Hoke doesn't ever give any information. Its just speculation, but I'm guessing something happened that Hoke wants to not deal with by him being gone.
I kind of doubt he'd say it was a family issue to cover up for a guy he is punishing for some reason. Just say he's injured. Hoke isn't the type of guy to cover up for screw-ups with fake stories.
Again, complete conjecture on my part, but it just seemed off.
I thought the same thing when I heard that... but ultimately it doesn't matter. Gibbons isn't playing...
On Gardner, I have a hard time believing that he could play the OSU game and turn around and not play the bowl game. This is an important game: Win and the ship isn't exactly 'righted' but we look to have finished strong. Lose and we have 11 loses the last two years and haven't won but two big games (ND this year and MSU last year) in the last two years...
I just have a hard time believing they would have surgury, or put on a cast, or anything if it would inhibit Gardner playing in the bowl game...
but hey, what do I know?
ps. put me in the he is going to play group.
It bears repeating - Henne had Braylon and Mike Hart and an offensive line that had David Baas (Rimington winner) at center.
It also bears repeating that a large section of the UM fanbase has the memory of a goldfish and the talent evaluation skills of a Real World producer. I love this team and the fans generally, but there are large swaths that think Henne carried a bunch of misfits and JUGGs machines to a MNC as a freshman, instead of 9-3 with losses to ND, OSU, and Texas. He had a very good freshman year, but the talent on that team was a couple deviations above what Morris would be stepping into.
Well, it sounds like everyone clamoring for Shane to come in for Gardner throughout the second half of the season are going to get what they want.
Let's just hope they want what they're going to get.
You just might get it all...and a little more.
Get to watch both MIchigan football and basketball in the same evening with my father. As long as I see improvement on both sides of the ball I will happy. Even is Morris starts I see this being a close game with Michigan having a shot to win. I may be a bit bias, but I do not care!
He also had a nice freshman season before losing to Oklahoma and the Selmons in the Orange Bowl. And Shane might attempt more passes in this game than he did in that whole '75 season. And I know it's not a fair comparison, kind of like apples to space aliens. And I know starting sentences with and is not proper grammar.
There is no rule that makes starting a sentence with and ungrammatical.
There is one for but. And it gives me trouble at times.
But Butt is an appropriate word to start a sentence with.
You can start a sentence with but. It's just not encouraged by English teachers because they want people to avoid sentence fragments.
Good to know. Thanks.