Was next Friday. Shane would be the starter.
Hoke: If game was today, Shane would start; Gibbons era officially over
Shane isnt a freshman anymore and will be held to the standard of a starting Michigan qb. Henne did fine.....
Win the fucking game Brady.
Isn't he a freshman until the season actually ends?
He'll be a freshman through spring practice.
Comparing every freshman QB to 2004 Henne is like comparing every point guard to Trey Burke.
And Mike MF'ing Hart
And we also went 7-5 and lost in the Alamo Bowl if memory serves me correct?
Maybe that was sophomore year. Can't remember?
The sophomore slump year. Stupid defensive letdown against Minnesota. A hiccup against Wisconsin. A comic ref screw job against ND (how many tries from the one inch line does it take to prove you broke the plane?)...
Went 9-3, and lost to Texas in rose bowl.
...or anything even close.
I'm not going to compare Gallon to Braylon, but I think it's very unfair to say he's not anything close to Braylon. Gallon has more reliable hands and has proven he can be very productive. No he's not the deep threat Braylon was, so I'm not trying to say that, but Gallon has produced in some of the biggest games this year. He also played great in the SC game last year as well. WIth a good bowl game he'll pass Braylon's senior year numbers with a better YPC. And he had 360 yards for 21 YPC against ND and OSU, which are normally two of the toughest opponents Michigan faces.
The difference isn't so much skillset as size. Gallon is 5'8/185. Braylon was 6'3/210 his senior year. While Braylon indeed struggled with the easy stuff more often than he should have, his ability came from the fact that he was a freakish athlete with the body to outsize and overmatch secondaries. Gallon doesn't have that.
And let's face it, when you have one game where you catch nearly 400 yards worth of passes, alongside a fairly productive and consistent season of fairly good numbers in most/all games, you're going to break a single-season record.
Yeah that was more or less what I was getting at. Braylon was a freak, but it's not like Gallon "isn't anything close." And yes I realize the whole ton of yards in one game thing, but that's why I made it a point to show he had good games against other teams too. It's not like he just had one fantastic game and was mediocre. SC/OSU/ND he had 150+ yards in all of those games. Even against the best defense in the country he had 13 YPC, which is what Braylon averaged for his career and in his best year.
I understand Gallon is not Braylon. But it's not like Gallon + Funchess is pathetic. To say Gallon + Funchess isn't anything close to Braylon his senior year is kind of insulting to Gallon. He's not an All-American, but he's productive and dare I say more reliable in times.
Also looking back, I think I'd take Gallon + Funchess this year over Braylon + whoever from that year. Funchess and Gallon have been more productive than Braylon + anyone on that team in that year. So, my point is it's not fair to say they're not anything close.
Also, I understand the whole, take that one great game out yadda yadda. But, the game did happen. That's like saying take out the OSU game for Woodson or take out Manziel's performance vs. Bama last year. Yes, take out the best thing someone has done and people will obviously think less of them.
Again, not comparing Gallon against the pathetic IU defense to Woodson or Manziel's performance. But, if you take away a guys best game sure he'll look worse. But 350+ yards receiving in a single game against a Big Ten defense, even IU, is still ridiculously good.
Not to mention if you take away Braylon's best game of that season(190 yards in 3OT), then Gallon(if you take away the IU game) would still probably get really close with a decent bowl game. Braylon also had 3 OTs to help him get those stats. I just think people are under-appreciating Gallon + Funchess.
Gallon+Funchess over Braylon+Avant+Breaston? (Those are the guys who get the "whoever else that year" treatment?
Well in fairness, you're saying 3 people vs. 2. If you want to add a third guy then I'll take Butt. Oh and if you just take Braylon and Avant or Breaston against Funchess and Gallon? Here's your stats:
Braylon: 1330 yards, 13 YPC, 15 TDs. Avant(who was second best): 447 yards, 12 YPC, 3 TDs.
Gallon: 1284 yards, 16 YPC, 9 TDs. Funchess: 727 yards, 15.5 YPC, 6 TDs.
Let's combine them. 2004 Braylon and Avant: 1777 yards, 12.5 YPC, 18 TDs.
This year Gallon and Funchess: 2011 yards, 15.8 YPC, 15 TDs.
This is including the bowl game for Braylon and Avant, and obviously not the bowl game for Gallon and Funchess. Now please tell me how it can be fair to say it isn't even close for what Morris would be throwing to? I'm not talking about RB, OL, or anything like that. I'm specifically talking about who each QB would be throwing to.
I don't want that other post to get too long, but I wanted to show you Braylon + Avant + Breastons numbers.
Those 3 combined numbers: 2068 yards, 11 YPC, 21 TDs. That means in an extra game for three guys, they barely have more yards, they have 5 less YPC, and 6 more TDs. If Funchess and Gallon both only got 50 yards and 1 TD between them, they would finish with more yards, still a higher YPC by at minimum 3 yards, and only 5 less TDs. That's against 3 guys. Let's take a more fair look and I'll add Michigan's third guy this year. That would be Jake Butt, in m opinion, who has come on late.
Braylon + Avant + Breaston(2004): 2068 yards, 11 YPC, 21 TDs
Gallon + Funchess + Butt(2013): 2213 yards, 14.5 YPC, 17 TDs
So without a bowl game the group this year has more yards, more yards per catch, and 4 less TDs. I would imagine between the 3 of them, they'll get at minimum 2 TDs total. Which would obviously put them only 2 TDs behind, with a lot more yards and a better YPC by 3. So yes, I'm saying Gallon and company aren't "not that close" to the 2004 WRs corps. I'm not talking an entire career, I'm not talking how freak of an athlete Braylon was, I'm talking how they produced and what each respective freshman has/had to throw to.
If you've got Butt, Funchess, and Gallon, you've got a reliable go to guy, a deep threat who's bigger than Braylon was, and a big body target who catches anything near him in Butt. I won't say what WR corps I'm taking because that's not what I'm here to argue. I'm just saying that calling this group nothing close to 2004 is under-selling them.
I remember Henne's first start. He was named the starter literally the night before the game since Gutierrez went down with an injury.
I was young, but I remember it like it was yesterday. There was a lot of mumbling and buzz in the stadium when everyone saw #7 trot out onto the field.
Ugly first half but Michigan turned it up in the second half.
Henne had ASTOUNDING numbers for a freshman QB, looking back on it.
Well, not the night before... Gutz got hurt at practice on Thursday. The news wasn't broken until about an hour before kickoff, my buddy got to announce it on WTKA. But Chad had a full day's notice, not that he wasn't prepared anyway.
Henne was one of the biggest recruits Lloyd ever landed. He was a known quantity by many, but was expected to wait his turn. It wasn't like throwing Nick Sheridan out there.
The real problem wasn't at quarterback, but RB. It took a few games of David Underwood for the Hart phenomenon to take hold.
I was at his breakout game as well against San Diego State.
That was like the 2004 version of Akron.
And I remember Chad taking a cheap shot when he was taking a knee in that game.
I think Jackson played a few games too. I think Hart was third or fourth string. I remember being bummed out about Gutierrez. Navarre was thrown in way to early when Henson left. I thought bad things would happen with Henne. He had growing pains, but I remember him getting a lot of unfair criticism he later proved wrong.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Jackson. Those first few games in '04 were a rollercoaster of emotions.
People forget that when Hart was recruited, there was this grainy RealPlayer video circulating of unbelievable high school highlights. This little kid playing nobody teams in New York looking like a world-beater. Doing shit that looked like a video game. Yet he wasn't just undersized, he was comically undersized, and the competition wasn't that great. It was fully expected it just wouldn't translate to the B1G game.
Took a half season too long to figure out how wrong we all were.
Hart and Trey Burke were two I got right. Hart's moves were Barry Sanders-esque, with the understanding that there is only one Barry Sanders. Burke was so clearly a stone-cold killer. I was pretty certain both would be awesome very soon after stepping on campus. Of course, I also bought into the McGuffie-madness, so maybe that was just a more hope-filled period of my life.
And because Henne did fine, EVERY TRUE FRESHMAN QB EVER HAS NO MORE EXCUSES.
Not to mention Navarre, Henson, Brady (threw a pick-six on his first attempt), Denard, and well, pretty much every other QB who saw the field as a freshman (RS or otherwise) here. Tate Forcier was probably one of the better frosh QBs we've had, and he still was a turnover machine.
That was the trip to play Oregon and not UCLA you are thinking about. And we were in that game with a shot to win.
Michigan played at Oregon when Navarre was a senior. The UCLA game was in 2000, when Navarre was a freshman and Henson was hurt.
This is very true. Can't compare frosh QBs to Henne. I will say that Navarre actually was never the good and really is one of the reasons the program began to decline. We were kind of stuck with him for four long years. That's how I remember it . . . .
as a handoff QB.
If any unit should have the 2005 Rose Bowl loss pinned on them, it's the defense.
I mean, WTF.
Against Vince fucking Young. Perspective.
Hell, they even blocked the winning field goal and it still went through.
My post was more of a defense of Henne and the offense than a slight against the defense.
They put up 37 points. Breaston also had a ridiculous amount of return yards that game and still ranks as #1 atop the single game list.
Chad did all he could do.
Henne played basically the whole year as the starting QB, and he had a much better team around him than Shane will be stepping into. I know people want to keep chirping about "standard of a starting QB", but by that logic and recent memory it means either running for a billion yards or throwing a bunch of INTs. UM hasn't trotted out a Brady, hell a Navarre, in years. Putting Morris out there and expecting him to a field general despite not playing all year is blatant homerism and counterproductive IME.
Shane is still a freshman until next year. He wasn't here in the spring, so he has really only been on the team for 5 months now. Sounds like a freshman to me!
Henne had a Senior Braylon Edwards and a good offensive line and a good running back in Mike Hart. None of which Shane would have luxury of. Also the first game Henne started was a home game against Miami Ohio. If Shane starts then he will be playing a good Kansas State team in a bowl game. Two incomparable situations.
Think hoke is bluffing, I would like to see Shane get some snaps anyways, as long as he is healthy when its over, it would be good experience. My guess is Gardner dresses.
Agreed. I think Hoke is bluffing big time. I think Shane might even get the start, but Devin will be in shortly after. Might as well make KSU gameplan for both QBs.
This doesn't even have to be a bluff. Gardner didn't practice last week so of course he wouldn't play if the game were today. But he may practice this week.
Because compared to Hoke and me, Fitz is a young guy.
Still, that seems rather extreme for the Buffalo Wild Wings bowl.
He committed to Michigan early and was vocally firm in that commitment. Programs certainly would have viewed him as a long shot.
FWIW, 247sports shows that he had an offer from Auburn and Alabama.
Tom posted that Shane didn't ever announce all of his offers. It wasn't important to him, but I'm not saying he will be amazing. His HS film was never that amazing to me either.
1. He is a Farve style gun slinger. He is going to make mistakes that we might not have seen in the past because he has the arm to make those throws.
2. His offer list wasnt too great because everyone knew he was as Blue as Blue can get. Im not going to waste my time on a kid where I know he is going to Michigan.
With that being said, Give em hell Shane! Im exited for the kid. This has been one of our biggest recruiters and this has been his dream.
Actually his offer list wasn't too great because he didn't report any of his offers after committing. He said many times that he had plenty more offers but they meant nothing to him so there was no point in celebrating them.
there are mistakes we haven't seen yet on offense this year? I can't wait to see what those look like.
He was offered by Alabama. What more do you need?
To be fair it's been stated on this site that an "offer" by Bama to a QB is really a personal invitation to tryout. It's one of those convenient non-committable offers probably.
It will be nice to see what Morris can do though I would really like Garder to play ideally.
Missing his entire senior season (except 1 game @AAPioneer which I attended) doesn't help when it comes to his development. I can't believe 1 year with Borges did much to develop him either.
Offer lists are self-reported, so their accuracy is dubious. I wouldn't spend time emailing some guys at Rivals to make sure my U of (name here) offer was listed. Others may (gasp) exaggerate.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. Looks like the downvotes to the leff disagree.
I actually got to see him play in high school a few times because my nephew has played against him for multiple years in a row. And I will tell you he looks solid. Yeah, he made a few errors here and there, but nothing alarming. Also his team around him was not good. His recievers dropped a lot of passes and his offensive line sucked. Just by watching him though I could tell he has a great arm and had a solid accuracy. He also seemed to move around better then most highschool qb's that weren't there just playing QB because they are a track star. Also I am sure 95% of the "film" you watched was from when the kid was 15 and 16 years old. I'm sure he looks a lot different now.
I'm not trying to pile on and won't down vote you but you can't always read into that.
A good example of that is Max Bullough at MSU in 2010. His entire family went to Michigan State and his father and grandfather played football there. So even though he was the type of 4star LB that every team in the Big Ten would want, few would have wasted their time with an offer because he knew he would play for Dantonio when he was a freshman in high school.
I'm sure no other big time programs wanted an Elite 11 Finalist. Psh, talk about overrated.
Selfishly, it adds an awful lot to the interest factor. I need a reason to stay up until 2 am watching a game.
Michigan bowl game on a Saturday night is not enough?
DVR, go to sleep, turn off phone (or unplug from wall), wake up the next morning and watch the game.
This right here.
But I think cold war was referring to the lateness of the game. It's a total bummer. Especially for us old folks with kids.
Saw a classic on pinterest: 'I'm "it's 8:30 and you want to start a movie?!" Years old.'
Or us old folks with grandkids. Now everybody off my lawn.
It's a bluff. There's no reason for hoke to say otherwise. Make kstate prepare for both qb's.
Turf toe hurts, but not playing for Gardner would be worse. He's a gamer. He'll be out there.
Can i ask the board exactly where in Hoke's history do you see ANY instances of him bluffing on anything? I mean even one. For my money if Hoke says something is either going to happen or not going to happen he means it. The guy doesnt seem to me like he's got a bluffing bone in his body.
And does the Gibbons situation have anything to do with his struggles late in the year and his not playing against OSU?
He was injured if I recall correctly. However, family issues seem to be a factor in him missing the Bowl.
And does he have any brunettes in his family?
Much a bluff I guess, all he said was he wouldn't play today, he can say that because they don't play today. Like others have said, I think devin will play.
i agree.. His stated injury was suposedly turf toe.. OK, so he can't stand in the pocket and throw the ball?
He isn't like taylor martinez and needs to run all over the place.. If the O-line sucks just take the sack or throw it away for a change
Turf toe is one of the most painful things in the world. It totally hobbles you. I've had turf toe, and I prefer the time I had two broken fingers.
That aside, if Gardner has turf toe, I'll eat my hat. He's got a high ankle sprain, a broken ankle, or nothing at all. We all saw it happen on the last drive of the Ohio game.
But, it seems like everytime someone asked about Denard at QB post the Nebraska elbow, it was like all he needed to do was find his chin strap.
In addition, there's the whole boo-boo thing, which as far as I can tell means something between a scrape and lost a limb. Is that a straight up lie? Eh, no. But, I wouldn't call it a great moment in honesty.
I love the guy, but I have a strict policy of not believing anything he says on injuries. I don't believe the opposite. I just discount the information to zero and await confirmation elsewhere.
A boo boo is something between a scrape and a lost limb, and he isn't going to say more. If the game were today, Gardner wouldn't start--he's not saying anything about what might happen between now and game time. He's on crutches and wearing a boot, so we aren't being told anything we don't already know. He has no incentive to tell us, and less than no incentive to tell K-State, anything we don't already know.
Nothing is ever a "straight up lie." He always means precisely what he says, no more and no less. People read more into the words, then find out what they read into it wasn't the truth.
No, Green started, but there was a false start at the beginning of the game, and Toussaint was brought in on the next play.
As others have noted, he's not bluffing to say Gardner couldn't start if the game was today. It is just a nothing statement that he basically said because he had to answer a reporter's question.
Jeez. Has it not occurred to anyone that Hoke is bluffing about...Gibbons?
You mean he's forcing K-State to game plan for two different field goal kickers?
He could be, but you usually wouldn't (a) bluff about a kicker, and (b) do so by saying he is having family issues at home.
He announced their suspension the day before the game, after days of uncertainty, but I think he knew all along he'd be holding them out.
Isn't turf toe something that can be played through if you can tolerate the pain but something that must ultimately be fixed by surgery?
No, usually rest. Even the most severe cases (grade 3) surgery is most often recommended in only the most extreme cases. But it's ever loving bitch to play through and hurts like hell.
Yes. I always thought of it as a painful sprain and you can't push off on it which makes it difficult for most players. I haven't heard of surgery though, but I can see if the rest and medications don't work that's what you are left with.
Based on the link mGrowOld posted, if the injury is turf toe, from the boot he's wearing, it seems like a grade 3 injury. I just hope his big toe doesn't get all cocked up:
"Potential long-term complications include lack of push-off strength, stiffness, bunion, and cocking up of the big toe."
Let's hope the boot is just a precaution and preventative.
I'm with a lot of over people who have said that there's no reason to risk Gardner getting hurt in this game. If he isn't 100% ready then just let Shane get the experience.
I don't want to play Devin if he's really hobbled, but I don't think this game is meaningless. A bowl win can do a lot for a team's morale, and particularly for a team in our situation.
I certainly don't think it's meaningless either, but no reason to force him into action if he's not 100%.
because there's a lot of merit to both views. Winning the game buys the program a lot of stability and deflects a lot of criticism for the next 8-9 months. So say you risk playing DG and he's injured even worse and you accidentally eff up your whole next season.
I almost lean towards playing him just because 8-9 months is a long time to be in the good favor of the general media/public. We all know how much it sucks to constantly be in the news for the uncertainty in your program.
It's a shame to hear that Gibbons will be unable to make the trip, but as it was said to be a family issue, hopefully it is nothing terrible. Brendan Gibbons is a central player in some of the best moments of the first three seasons under Brady Hoke and has made for himself a place in Michigan lore, I think. He will definitely be missed on the team, and I wish him nothing but the best as he moves toward graduation and the next phases of his life.
we win this game, especially without Gibbons. We all saw how valuable he was when we lost him. I don't trust our offense to be able to score.
Not sure if serious
Bellomy is back at practice as well, FWIW.
True, but there's probably zero percent chance Bellomy sees the field for a lot of reasons. Just because he's practicing doesn't mean he's game ready. But, I am glad he's back and practicing.
he would giv up his RS to play in one meaningless bowl game.
He didn't redshirt this year. He already used his redshirt, so this year counted towards his eligibility. The rule that you can get a redshirt retroactively is only if you get hurt during the season
He redshirted in 2011.
Local Detroit radio is reporting that when Devin got off the plane out west he was on crutches and wearing a large boot...
Doesn't mean the DG won't start and play, it's only Monday. I think Hoke has shown that when he makes a statement that's how it is.
I don't think he plays. If anything Hoke is usually more optimistic about players playing. He isn't bluffing.
Prayers and well wishes to the Gibbons family.
Be a bluff to make K State prep for both QBs when the film on Shane is slim to nil to game plan against ? All I see is that Devin is still not at 100% and IF the BWW Bowl started today Shane is the starter. That's it.
KSU won't be deterred at all by not knowing who the qb is.
Hoke said Gardner won't practice today. Will have to practice by Wednesday to potentially play Saturday night
— angelique (@chengelis) December 23, 2013
Hoke: "we're going into it that Shane will be the guy". Still says turf toe is Gardner injury...says there are different degrees of injury
— angelique (@chengelis) December 23, 2013
Like others have stated, Hoke has pretty much spelled it out, and it doesn't help that Gardner remains on crutches. Glad I won't be able to watch Saturday.
This is not all that bad for Hoke (and Borges and Michigan). If Shane starts and Michigan loses, there's a built-in excuse. Does it really make a huge difference if you finish 8-5 or 7-6? It also gets Morris some needed experience in a real game. And, it avoids the possibility of Gardner suffering an even more severe injury while trying to play at less than 100%.
Somehow I don't think the folks in Schembechler Hall are excited about potentially having "built-in excuses." They want to win and this makes that a lot harder to do.
I don't think it's controversial to say that Borges must have had a hot seat at points during this year (e.g., when we were breaking 40 year records of offensiveness ineptitude). Given that he always points to "execution" as the problem and never admits that any of the problems can be attributed to him (e.g., never says something like "I called a bad game -- I shouldn't have run Fitz that 27th time when we were averaging 1 yard a carry"), it is not implausible to think that it will cross Borges' mind that a poor offensive showing this weekend could be blamed on a true freshman QB in his first start. Frankly, it's a much better excuse than blaming OL recruiting from 3-4 years ago, or the youth at OL in a late season game when everyone has starts under their belts.
how long until the first "Move DG back to WR" post?
I'll start the over/under at 5 minutes after the game ends.
If Shane looks good, I'll take the under (first post during the game).
I guess I should have pointed out that my over/under was for a thread being started. I agree the first good thing Shane does there will probably be a post in the game thread saying he should be the starter.
If Shane throws a TD at any point of the game someone will post it immediately.
Corollary: How long after that happens do we have the first "oh, shit, I forgot how sloppy his routes are!" post?
Isn't turf toe usually a recovery time of 3-4 weeks? I think Gardner plays, but this boot and crutches thing is to keep him off it. I know turf toe is really about staying off and resting it to keep inflammation down. As long as he is rehabbing, I think he plays. It's good strategy to keep the other team on its toes.
seems to be the consensus, from what I've seen on line.
Has Gardner had any bowl practice at all? I can't imagine he has considering the crutches and boot. I would think Morris is the starter for this bowl game regardless of what the doctors say at this point.
Hoke said a few days ago that he had participated in some throwing drills but hadn't been cleared to practice fully.
I don't see why people keep saying this game is meaningless? 8-5 is a lot better than 7-6 to me.
goal is Rose Bowl or better all non-BCS games are irrelevant. Dont get me wrong, ill watch and cheer my ass off for Michigan whenever they play but this game is nothing more than a glorified exhibition game.
Well, the B1G's representative in the Rose Bowl this year (MSU) played in this exact bowl last year. Think it was a meaningless experience for them?
You don't win the B1G without understanding that you've got to play your ass off every week of the season. If we approach this game as a meaningless exhibition we won't have learned that lesson.
time you get with your younger players is way more important than the game itself.
To me it is somewhere in the middle regarding the importance of this game. Obviously to different people its importance varies. Shane probably thinks this is hugely important since this is a great opportunity to show what he's been working on for the past year. If he doesn't do well oh true freshman wtvr. If he does do well then at least we know we have two quarterbacks who can get it done.
8-5 is marginally better than 7-6 and is a nice way to end the season and turn the page but we will still be below most reasonable expectations.
Also this is basically like playing Iowa again except at a neutral site. What I mean by that is that KSU is a solid team but not exactly elite either and plays in a conference that is probably on par with the Big Ten.
Anyway obviously you want to win but you don't want to put Gardner out there unless he is fully healthy IMO.
He is on crutches 5 days before a meaningless game. Gardner shouldn't play.
So if Devin is out, that means that Shane is #1 and I assume that Cleary moves up to #2. Who is the #3 guy? Is it Bellomy or Alex Swieca? Ordinarily, I would assume it would be Bellomy (given that he already used up his RS year as a FR), but given that he hasn't played at all this year and that he might have a chance for medical redshirt for a sixth year, would they keep him on the shelf and use Swieca? Might it even be Jeremy Gallon?
I will say that one of the few recruiting issues I've had with this staff is not picking up a QB in the 2012 class. That's the main reason that Shane had to burn his RS this year and is also directly responsible for us having either two walk-ons backing him up this game or having one walk-on and another guy that just started practicing.
Does anyone remember what happened with QB recruiting that year? I was looking on Touch the Banner and it listed several guys with offers. If I remember correctly, we finished second for Zeke Pike (which seems like a blessing now) and had somewhat of a shot with Gunnar Kiel (who seemed to cool on Michigan after Shane committed) and don't remember being close to getting any of the other guys. Did the staff just stop going after guys after Shane committed and we lost out on Pike and Kiel?
I don't think you can get a 6th year if you've been redshirted (not medically redshirted).
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not really sure if that's the rule since 6th year 'shirts are rare.
If we have to go to our third string QB we are fucked anyway. Give it to Russell so he can get back into the fire as he is someone we may actually have to use down the road in future years.
I'm sure Gallon wouldn't be the guy. My guess is that it would be Alex Swieca as the #3 guy. We might have a chance with Shane Morris at quarterback, but if we have to go to Cleary, we're almost certainly doomed.
Michigan went after a couple guys in the 2012 class, but not very hard. When things appeared bleak with the coaches' top guys, they simply didn't go after anyone else. This despite the fact that Hoke said he would take a quarterback in every single class. Aside from the guys you mentioned, the coaches also went after Devin Fuller (who's playing WR for UCLA) and a couple other guys with questionable character (Jake Rodrigues, Bennie Coney). I think the coaches had Morris in line for the 2013 class and just didn't try very hard with the 2012 quarterback situation.
I was insistent that Michigan would take a QB in 2012, and I was sort of shocked when it played out differently. I still think it might have bit Michigan in the butt, if not in the bowl game, then at other points in the year when Michigan a) could have replaced Gardner to keep him healthy and b) could have redshirted Morris. In my opinion, that's one of Michigan's biggest recruiting failures in the Hoke era.
Tape the toe so its completely immobilized and let Gardner throw like a pocket-passer. He was really slow against OSU and did perfectly fine anyways.
I mean shit, Byron Leftwich threw for 208 yards with a broken leg.
it's not that simple. it isn't just about his mobility. it's about his ability to plant his foot and throw in an accurate manner with a strong foundation. gardner already struggled with his footwork this year. playing without being able to plant would be a disaster.
Think about how much this blog would be freaking out right now if Morris hadn't already burned his redshirt. So for the lack of freak out, I thank you Coach Hoke.
He has a checkered past and Hoke doesn't ever give any information. Its just speculation, but I'm guessing something happened that Hoke wants to not deal with by him being gone.
I kind of doubt he'd say it was a family issue to cover up for a guy he is punishing for some reason. Just say he's injured. Hoke isn't the type of guy to cover up for screw-ups with fake stories.
Again, complete conjecture on my part, but it just seemed off.
I thought the same thing when I heard that... but ultimately it doesn't matter. Gibbons isn't playing...
On Gardner, I have a hard time believing that he could play the OSU game and turn around and not play the bowl game. This is an important game: Win and the ship isn't exactly 'righted' but we look to have finished strong. Lose and we have 11 loses the last two years and haven't won but two big games (ND this year and MSU last year) in the last two years...
I just have a hard time believing they would have surgury, or put on a cast, or anything if it would inhibit Gardner playing in the bowl game...
but hey, what do I know?
ps. put me in the he is going to play group.
It bears repeating - Henne had Braylon and Mike Hart and an offensive line that had David Baas (Rimington winner) at center.
It also bears repeating that a large section of the UM fanbase has the memory of a goldfish and the talent evaluation skills of a Real World producer. I love this team and the fans generally, but there are large swaths that think Henne carried a bunch of misfits and JUGGs machines to a MNC as a freshman, instead of 9-3 with losses to ND, OSU, and Texas. He had a very good freshman year, but the talent on that team was a couple deviations above what Morris would be stepping into.
Well, it sounds like everyone clamoring for Shane to come in for Gardner throughout the second half of the season are going to get what they want.
Let's just hope they want what they're going to get.
You just might get it all...and a little more.
Get to watch both MIchigan football and basketball in the same evening with my father. As long as I see improvement on both sides of the ball I will happy. Even is Morris starts I see this being a close game with Michigan having a shot to win. I may be a bit bias, but I do not care!
He also had a nice freshman season before losing to Oklahoma and the Selmons in the Orange Bowl. And Shane might attempt more passes in this game than he did in that whole '75 season. And I know it's not a fair comparison, kind of like apples to space aliens. And I know starting sentences with and is not proper grammar.
There is no rule that makes starting a sentence with and ungrammatical.
There is one for but. And it gives me trouble at times.
But Butt is an appropriate word to start a sentence with.
You can start a sentence with but. It's just not encouraged by English teachers because they want people to avoid sentence fragments.
Good to know. Thanks.
"He also had a nice freshman season before losing to Oklahoma and the Selmons in the Orange Bowl."
I came to Michigan football in the fall of 1973. No bowl that year; no bowl the following year; the Orange Bowl following the 1975 season was the first bowl for this Michigan fan.
Leroy and Dewey Selmon ... even though Oklahoma won, it was hard not to appreciate what those to did on the defensive line.
I hope Shane can lead us to victory if he starts! Need a solid run game to help him.
I am in full support of Sugah Shane if he is the guy under center. I am done whining and complaining about this season...I hope Devin is ready, but if not, he is a Team guy and will help Shane every step of the way. If we can keep him upright <looking at you O-Line> and establish some sort of a run game, Shane should be just fine. GO BLUE and Beat KSU!
Shane Morris busted his butt to put himself in this position. I'm sure he has dreamed about it many times. If his number is called, I hope he kills it.
"If his number is called, I hope he kills it."
Amen to this.
I've got a hunch that we're going to see a lot of really good things out of Morris before he hangs up his Michigan jersey. He's got decent mobility, a great arm and enough swagger to carry him through some bad plays.
Expect some early jitters, but if the line gives him a little time and the game doesn't come at him too quickly ... I think we'll see some nice things out of him. I really do.
With you but I chuckled a little...I'm not sure Shane had the BW3 Bowl in his dream however...
"OMG! START HIM NEXT YEAR! DEVIN SUCKS!"
A picture of the team practicing in Arizona today.
I know a little off topic, but is there any word on how Darboh's recovery is going?
The most recent update I've seen is a bit vague and from a week ago:
'In other injury news, Hoke said sophomore wide receiver Amara Darboh is "making progress" from his season-ending foot injury. Darboh suffered the foot injury in August, and has been out of a cast for several weeks now.'
You persevered through calamity. You replaced demons with Brunettes. We were fortunate to have you. Godspeed Brandon Gibbons. May your future be bright.
He really is gonna miss "Brandon" and I'm glad he appreciated him so much to call him by his correct first name.......haha.
Not that there weren't other good kickers. But Gibbons had to endure one of the worst things I ever saw. When Gibbons was new and inexperienced, Coach Rod held open tryouts for any student to come kick for the team. If that isn't a mental kick in the balls for a scholarship player i don't know what is. Its one of the several reasons I hold RichRod in such low regard. I admire Brendan's classiness for proving without saying a word that he was much, much better than that. His growth as a football player is a really nice success story for Michigan's program. The 10 second field goal with Dileo's power slide is going to be one of those plays I'll never forget, and it was nice to have him get a moment in front of the mike after the sugar bowl win. If I could have one back for him, it would be vs. Penn State...that would have helped our season at least from a W-L perspective, but its all part of the game and I hold no ill will. I predict there will be times going forward when we will sorely miss his left foot converting a 4th and forever into 3 points...and nearly automatic.