This is tremendous news!
Hoke Expects Devin Gardner Redshirt
After seeing recent rulings by the bodies that govern these decisions I'll remain skeptical until it's confirmed. Logic doesn't always rule the day.
the mistakes of Tate Forcier and bad judgement of Rich Rodriguez should not cost us a 5th year of Devin Gardner.
...I'll take it today...anything to block out all the Domers and Buckeyes around me at work.
close your office door and let them whoop it up in the bull pen.
Just pay for your pizza, and they'll leave.
and they'll stop & your cholesterol will improve.
WOAH WOAH. MSU has the second best hospitality management program in the country. Can we make the food service thing a joke over there?
The OSU connection is just that sometimes a truck arrives with more frozen patties for the Spartans to flip.
Any indication why the program has waited to apply to the Big Ten until now? At first I understood that you had to wait until the end of the fourth season to apply, but I think that idea (common around these parts for a while) has been debunked.
Strangely enough, it seems like the Michigan coaching staff was under the same misapprehension and only recently realized they didn't have to wait.
Even stranger still was the fact it was the last 2 coaching staffs that thought this.
Often times it is submitted earlier, but not actually granted until there is no eligibility remaing.
Cool. I hope this pans out. It will be nice to have that extra year, not just because he's a great player, but it gives us depth, something that was beginning to look like a problem going forward.
I was wondering how Cam Newton's college career progressed. Seems like he was a late bloomer who had that one amazing season when his opportunity arrived. I think Gardner could be nearly that good (if they can find a decent running game). And he's already a better passer than Vince Young ever was, although not as fast.
And just why the hell after that last game a 5-star RB would not want to come here is beyond me. Derrick Green could probably start Game 1 of his freshman year.
Fred Jackson had a MGoBlog account
Gardner has had a few nice games against unprepared opponents with questionable defenses. Let's not shoot down the path of 'like Cam Newton but more accurate than Vince Young' just yet.
Gardner is Mike Vick fast but with a bigger arm than Elway and smarter than Brady./
Just speculating on the Cam Newton comparison, more because Cam seemed to come on late and was suddenly winning the Heisman. NOBODY could have seen that before that season. So, it can happen. Big, strong, mobile, great intangibles. Gardner could be a major star, especially if he gets two more years.
As far as the Vince Young thing, no speculation: Gardner is already a better passer than Vince Young ever was. That being said, VY did destroy Michigan and Texas in consecutive Rose Bowls with his best play being basically the broken play/scramble. Two of the best games by a college player ever.
UM and USC*
Fred Jackson would use Michigan players for comparison, wouldn't he?
Something like: Devin Gardner is like Chad Henne except fast.
No, like Tom Brady, but faster than Denard!
I think he is a better comparison than VY or Cam. I don't think DG is quite as fast or elusive as those 2
Do we know when the decision will come down?
The end of a mystery wrapped in a riddle?? Let's hope so. Great news if true.
POS BANG TIME!
i'm due for a pick-me-up!
Wow, something even more positive. This would be great .
I moderate Hoke's comment as "Interesting."
Hours later, I moderate your post as "Informative!"
Well this is greaat NEWS! 2014 is looking very bright
I can't wait for this question to be answered once and for all...how many Discussion topics were directed towards this?
Good. I want an extra year of Devin making defenses look ridiculous.
On a related note, does anyone know how the word 'redshirt' came about? I know that quarterbacks usually wear a red colored jersey to indicate their 'don't hit status', but I wonder if incoming freshmen used to wear them as well back in the day to indicate their status.
You answered your own question. I believe redshirts were used by coaches during practice as an easy way to indicate which players would not be eligible for competition.
Warren Aflson from Nebraska was the first player to use it in 1937. Nebraska used White jerseys for the first team (starters/regulars) and Reds for the second team (scrimmage players).
Just imagine Devin playing in 2014 as a RS Sr with a Rs So Morris backing him up.
shane will only be a redshirt freshman in 2014
but I can't see Morris being a redshirt anything. We now know how having only two QB's prepared for games works after the Nebraska loss, I don't see this staff playing that game again. I think Morris is the number two QB on the depth chart next season.
You can still prepare a guy to play but keep him on the sideline. You always need two quarterbacks to play, because no quarterback takes every snap - whether it's because of injury, blowout wins, blowout losses, etc. But sometimes the third guy to play in a blowout can be a walk-on, like Jack Kennedy or Alex Swieca.
If Gardner gets his redshirt, there's really no reason to play Morris as a true freshman. You just make him the #3 QB and if a dire situation arises, you burn his redshirt.
Give Morris some practice reps so he can come in if needed, but don't burn his redshirt just to play him in garbage time.
Redshirt Freshman in 2014
EDIT: WOOO REDUNDANCY HERE'S A GIF PARTY ON WAYNE
he's the best weapon we have, and in 2014, in his last regular season game, he doesn't end up watching from the bench because the coaches can't figure out how to get him onto the field.
Wrong thread, guy. This is a happy place.
i know, i realize that.
i'm just never going to be able to forgive the coaches for sending denard like that.
this thread, that thread, doesn't matter. the kid that took us out of the dark ages, both with his athletic talent and his attitude, sat and watched the 4th quarter of the biggest game of the year from the bench.
The only possible comment to this would be a picture of Devin Gardner doing his Mr. Burns celebration with the meme caption "eeeeexcellent."
...But I'm too lazy for that kind of thing.
If he's trolling me...
Bellomy beat out Gardner in spring practice, or was at least good enough that they felt comfortable with moving Gardner to receiver. I still think there were some injury issues with Bellomy and the change in playcalling from Devin to Bellomy won't be so massive as from Denard to Bellomy either. I suspect Bellomy will be the backup next year unless Morris is so good that he forces his way on the field as the starter.
Terrifies me. The kid pooped his pants versus Nebraska. Shane will red shirt as long as Gardner isn't injured. If he is, it with be Morris.
Yeah - the kid wasn't ready for primetime, on the road, against one of our toughest opponents, in a game he wasn't expecting to play. Maybe it's possible Shane would be the same way as a true frosh?
Keep in mind that Bellomy has the experience under his belt now. That, coupled with a ton of reps in spring practice might make him a quality back up.
Just think about how Brendan Gibbons has progressed since his freshman year. I understand QB is different than kicker, but I really think that Bellomy's problem is more mental than anything else.
I think Bellomy will be better than his Nebraska game, and barring a horrible injury, we could probably go the whole year with Gardner/Bellomy. It's risky, but the same risk we have with our O-Line
Come on now..It's Michigan we are talking about. They have repeadly been denied in the past yet other schools get them everytime. The Suckeyes got 2 years for a kicker on some trumped up medical reason but the only reason was he couldn't beat out the two guys in front of him until his 6th year.
honestly every time you post I think it's one of mine
time to say farewell to pensive Sheridan methinks
Suckeyes and conspiracy. Well played.
Still doesn't mean that you still don't suck!
Agreed. I'm still not ready for cordial buckeye interaction.
Congrats on the win. But . . . too soon. Way too soon.
Good, this means endless threads asking if we've heard back or not. But if it is yes, then this is certainly great news.
At all about Gardner getting a redshirt?
I think I heard that UM can't apply until after next year. Don't know if that's true.
LOL "Back Spasms" FTW
While I'm thrilled that Shane Morris is coming to Michigan, I think that there is great value in having an experienced Senior Quarterback. Assuming Devin would start the next two years, this means Shane would redshirt and not play at all next year, and for Shane to be a backup his redshirt Freshman year (Fall 2014.) He wouldn't have to start until Fall 2015, or after 3 full Fall practices, as well as 2 full Spring practices.
would be the thing to do. But, in reality we'll have to see how things play out in the spring practices and next fall with Bellomy and Morris to see who the best backup would be. I think Bellomy will bounce back well from the Nebraska debacle, but how far we'll need to see.
So we get Shane into the summer scrimmages, and give him a lot of reps in the fall camp, and after a few games and he gets into the swing of school as a freshman, we make Shane the starting quarterback and -- I love this part -- we move Devin Gardner to WR! How cool would that be? We'd be getting all of our best athletes on the field all at once.
But we play Morris on a couple of meaningless snaps early in the season, then when we need him next, put Bellomy in, and then have to make up an injury and wait to see if they give Morris his redshirt back. You'd probably like that.
As others have stated, one can be second on the depth chart for an entire season and still keep their redshirt, assuming they don't play a snap. Which is what would happen unless Gardner were to be injured.
Maybe Hokes way of trying influence the situation or maybe he believes this to be true. Either way I hope he is accurate.
What Hoke said is coachspeak and people are acting like it's a Sure Thing.
Do people really think Hoke would say anything other than what he said?
I mean, seriously, do people think Hoke is going to get up there in a press conference and be like, "Oh he'es probably not going to get it." or "How the hell should I know?"
Given the nature of press conference communications under Hoke I just don't take anything he says in a presser too seriously.
Couldn't he just say, "we'll need to let the process play out. We are focused on our bowl game, sending our seniors out with a win, and controlling the things we can control."? Seems like that would be more coachspeak in that it really doesn't tell you anything one way or the other.
I hope this isn't the same as how Hoke expected Denard back for the 2nd half of Nebraska...
I love it! Our QB situation is looking bright with Devin, Russell and shane. There are some good quarterbacks In the 2015 class, I would LOVE jayru campbell, dual threat qbs.
Day to day.
We have 7 home games next season and our away games are UConn, PSU, MSU, Northwestern, Iowa. Depending on how the season goes, he may not even need the redshirt.
Sorry for myself being kinda slow, but are you implying him leaving for the draft ?
I'm saying that with a 11 or 12 win season, it's a distinct possibility.
MSU hopefully will be in full on Tire fire mode after narduzi takes a head coach job and may still can't figure out how to play offence.
That schedule looks like last years...anything less than a rosebowl will be a disappointment
Nebraska's the real challenge. They lose a lot on defense but almost the whole offense returns, including Martinez and Abdullah. Add in that Wisconsin and Ohio State rotate off their schedule and are replaced by Illinois and Purdue while we drop those teams for Wisconsin and Penn State and we begin the season at a scheduling disadvantage.
I agree with you, but (a) I like our D against their O (had we not given them incredible field position, we would have nearly shut them down this year), and (b) that game is back at our place.
Just like this year, the head to head win meant everything. If we beat them and still lose another Big Ten game, we're golden. Considering there's a decent chance they lose a second Big Ten game, we might be able to drop 2 non-Nebraska games and still go. But that game is the biggest game of the season next fall, and it's at home.
it's PSU and IU that rotate on in 2013, with Purdue and Illinois rotating off.
My bad. I thought "We haven't played Wisconsin in forever, we must play them next year."
Stupid New Big Ten.
We might not even play them then either. Maryland and Rutgers join in 2014, so the Big Ten schedule is gonna get reworked. Which is a damn shame, cause personally I was looking forward to going to Madison on Halloween weekend in 2015 (or 2016, whatever year we go there)
The fact that they don't play OSU is a disadvantage, but us adding Penn St. to the schedule isn't going to hurt us. Penn St. won't be anything close to what they were this year without McGloin and with the scholarship sanctions hitting.
He got his redshirt, but I have doubts about whether he'll return next year.
Remember that USA TODAY specifically mentioned Mike Jones as a key defensive contributor at LB this year. He'll get his redshirt if USA TODAY's sources are correct.
I know that most will take this as untrue, but I work with a family member of Devin and he said that the family thought the redshirt was for sure. He did imply that a highdraft grade might pull him into the pros after next year anyway.
Why is this post getting negged? Nothing bad about it at all.
No, I believe in a playbook that is more complicated than Tecmo Bowl.
This whole redshirt deal is on richrod. I think he wanted to see if devin panned out to decide whether or not he'd try for the redshirt. Which I really hope isn't true.
Didn't Denard and Tate both get hurt in the Bowling Green game that year anyway?
Tate wasn't hurt. He was still in the dog house and RR thought he might have to go the year without him.... thus the PT for Devin.
You're thinking of the UConn game.
I don't know man. I specifically remember Tate playing in a game in 2010 and limping a lot in it.
In the UConn (first) game, Tate was in the doghouse. Gardner played -- I think -- one series with no passing attempts when Denard got banged once. Denard went the rest of the way.
In the Bowling Green (Sept. 25) game, all three played. Denard got dinged, and Devin came in, and finished a touchdown drive. Not sure if Devin threw for a td, or ran for a td, or both. But it was the one and only time he got significant p.t., apart from the brief and insignificant appearance v. UConn. Tate came into the Bowling Green game later, was also dinged, and was seen limping. It was a weird game. "Dissatisfying" can't be the right word for a 65-21 (?!) win, and the offensive numbers were amazing. Everybody just left that game with as many questions as answers.
Later on, I remembered that a few of the Bowling Green plays were some of the very few where I really liked what I saw with Gardner until this year! Because he's been underwhelming in some others in 2011, and showed almost nothing in all of his spring games.
I believe he also played (very briefly) in the ND game that year. As in the UConn game, it was just a brief injury fill-in.
Is that because there is a secret rule that we have to offer all redshirts a fifth year?
This is great and glorious news for the Michigan faithful, at least until Devin has a bad game, then the Michigan faithful will throw Gardner under the Shane Morris bus.
Soon to be followed by the Jayru Campbell bus.
Any word on our recruitment of him? I know he's a sophomore but for all intensive purposes that's when we began recruiting Shane.
they'll not only throw Devin under the Shane Morris bus, they'll back up and run over him several more times for good measure.
And when DG has an open path to the end zone but gets caught from behind on the 5-yard line, the faithful will tow the Denard Robinson bus out of the junkyard and throw DG under it too.
The guys going to be special when it's all said and done. He put his time in. Now he's ready to go.
Because the two are totally related and you have to choose between one or the other right?
This is the only bit of semi-good news since we held a 21-17 lead in the game. I'm glad to know the coaches are sending in the redshirt request. I seriously doubted their willingness to do it. In fact, had Bellomy not imploded, I'm not sure the coaches would have sent in that request.
Wut? Why would they not want Gardner for another year? At either QB or WR.
Magnus says he won't get it so I don't believe Hoke.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Don, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but since you don't have lungs, I don't think you'll be holding your breath any time soon anyway.
This is a fantastic gif.
God bless NBC for not being smart enough to not get Rob Ryan off camera earlier.
Real talk here I honestly love Rob Ryan. That dude is awesome.
Finally, comfort for my nads. Ahh, cold pack.
Hoke also said Denard would be ready to go in the 2nd half for the Nebraska game. I'll believe it when I see it.
We all assume he will be both a great QB in 2013 and want to stay at Michigan beyond that. What if he guides Michigan to a fantastic season next year, gets high draft grades, and bolts for the NFL?
I suppose it wouldn't be that bad, I love to see Wolverines being drafted, but the good news should be tempered with a small hint of reality, and the reality is that we want Gardner to stay more than he might want to stay.
That being said, it's all good news that having him for 2 years while we develop Morris is even an option. I, for one, thought it might not be.
If Devin doesn't stay a 5th year only because he got so awesome that the NFL wants him, I'd be OK with that.
If he guides us to a fantastic season and performs so wells that he leaves for the draft I'LL TAKE IT!!
Great to hear. I'll believe it when it is in writing, but this is a huge benefit for the team and player development. Having a RS sophomore Shane Morris taking over for a 5th-year Devin Gardner would be optimal.
I am surprised that they are just getting around to this. I thought I read a while back that they were pursuing this course of action.
I could be wrong, but technically I think they have to wait until the athletes would be senior year to issue the request. That would explain the wait.
I'd much much prefer to have a RS Sr DG to a So/RFr Shane (or probably RS Jr Bellomy). No offense to either of those guys, but DG's projected skill is way way higher than either of thosw two guys. That would be a season changer (and couple that with how the D is projected to be in '14)
His projected skill is way higher than Shane Morris at the QB position? That's debatable.
but I think a RS Sr Devin should easily be better than a 2nd yr Shane in 2014
Morris is probably already a better prototypical passer than Gardner. Gardner has always had a funky delivery on the ball, and Shane can actually bomb it further down field. Plus Shane will have the benefit of learning the same system throughout his collegiate career (odds are anyways).
True, and when asked about why he thought Gardner would be granted the red shirt, he said he had a gut feeling--not exactly the strongest evidence to go on.
Excellent to hear and fingers definitely crossed that works out.
In four starts, 57 of 90, 1,005 passing yards, 8 passing TDs, 7 rushing TDs....I would say that two full seasons of that sort of potential production from Gardner definitely sounds nice.
So the Big Ten (not the NCAA) grants redshirts? That seems odd.
Perhaps he has to send it to the B1G first to get approved, and then they send it to the NCAA?
I figured he would get it, but it's still good to hear. Means Shane will red shirt, and should start as a RS Sophomore. Two full years of DG at QB and three years of Morris at QB. That should make WR recruits excited.
For pulling a positive surprise where not expected, this threat deserves a Brady Hoke pooping gold picture and tag
So the request for a red shirt is based Gardners minimal playtime in year 1? Not anything like a medical/financial hard ship?
He has documentation of back problems during his freshman year.
Devin is, infact, eligible for his medical redshirt; as he meets the criteria.
A player seeking a medical redshirt had to of played in less than 30% of games and could not of played after the mid-point in the season.
Devin played in three games, all of which were before mid-way in the season. Devin had a back injury and didn't play after that.
M R/S granted, BKFINEST IT!!!
so it really sounded more like an optimistic guess than an educated guess. And Hoke also said he was pleased with Borges's playcalling Saturday. And Hoke has pretty much downplayed every injury his team has had so I guess I will take his comments with a grain of salt.