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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 AM
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Hoke, Dantonio, HS coaches

There are quotes aplenty in here.  Commence reading between the lines:

http://detnews.com/article/20110122/SPORTS0202/101220321/High-school-coa...

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* Goricki has been Sparty-friendly in past articles.  Did he ignore RichRod-friendly coaches here?  Who knows?
* The first guy quoted is Patrick Threet of St. Clair Shores Lakeview.  Steven's brother?  :)  He doesn't appear to be a RichRod fan.  Samples:

"... you can definitely feel there's a leadership vibe there (with Hoke) that will relate to the hard-working people of Michigan ..." (Hopelessly vague ...)

"When you look at Michigan State, they won the state in recruiting and I think it shows."  (Whatever ...)

"There was a little bit of arrogance (with Rodriguez)."

* Next up, the somewhat famous John Herrington of Farmington Hills Harrison:

"I thought Rodriguez was a very good coach, an offensive genius. I think it will be different where Brady will recruit Michigan harder and not just go to Florida and California (like Rodriguez) ..." (I find this much more interesting, because Herrington's opinions probably carry some weight.  Even he seems to believe that RichRod didn't spend enough time in Michigan.)

* How does everyone feel about Hoke downshifting from a BlackBerry to a "regular" cell phone?  Offhand I can't imagine why someone would voluntarily trade down in that area, but maybe that's just me.  More important, what does it say about his modernity?  Coaches are still allowed to text these days, right?  (I'm assuming he wouldn't be enthusiastic about texting with only number keys.)  Does he risk being perceived as out-of-touch by players?  I could see where some people, like Coach Threet, could find the idea appealing.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:18 AM | Rodriguez recruited (Score:1)
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Rodriguez recruited California?  That's weird.  He sent out a few offers, but really Michigan didn't get jack shit from California in the past few years...

When newspapers start questioning/caring about what type of phone Brady Hoke uses, then that means they've got nothing better to write about.

But I heard that Hoke's choice of toilet paper is a pine cone, so he must be tough as nails.  It's a good thing Charmin-loving Justin Turner isn't here anymore.  Those two totally wouldn't have bonded, since they have different philosophies on wiping their butt.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:37 AM | He didnt' say Rich recruited (Score:1)
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He didnt' say Rich recruited Cali effectively........

 

 

January 22nd, 2011 at 1:05 PM | He didn't recruit Cali at (Score:1)
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He didn't recruit Cali at all, really.

Maize n Brew

January 22nd, 2011 at 9:40 AM | Pine cones are for sissies (Score:1)
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Tradition is something you can't bottle.  But it is there to sustain you when you need it most.  I've called upon it time and time again.

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 AM | I think Hoke is their new go (Score:1)
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I think Hoke is their new go to story. Like Rich always was, only with a negative bent.  Way fewer people in this state care about Michigan State and Michigan State football so I guess that only makes sense.

"because character wins in life and character wins on the football field....."  1-11-11

January 22nd, 2011 at 1:52 PM | The hilarity of him saying (Score:1)
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The hilarity of him saying California is how wrong it is.

Commits from California:

Carr:

2002: 1

2003: 1

2004: 1

2005: 4

2006: 1

2007: 4

Mixed 2008: 0

Rodriguez:

2009: 1

2010: 0

2011: 0

 

Facts > John Herrington

January 22nd, 2011 at 7:11 PM | Perception > Facts (Score:1)
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Whether Herrington's wrong or right is irrelevant. Herrington's probably the most respected coach in the state. If it's his perception that your not placing enough emphasis on the state of Michigan, that's a problem because there are a lot of people out there taking their cues from him. In the recruiting game, it's all about perception.

"[T]here were a lot of people predicting glorious heights for Rich; mostly the same people who are predicting doom and gloom [for Hoke]. Excuse me if I doubt their prognostication skills." -- M-Wolverine

January 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 PM | Oh I agree it's all about (Score:1)
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Oh I agree it's all about perception. That is something that hurt Rodriguez, no doubt in my mind.

 

The problem, of course, was that his perception wasn't based in reality, so the question is why is that the case and what can you do about it?

 

And I don't think that "whether Herrington is wrong or right is irrelevant." There should be an effort to correct and enlighten people who have a faulty perception.

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:02 PM | He did say Florida also, I am not going to spend the time (Score:1)
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adding up how many are from Florida, but sure there were more than 4 landed each year RR was here.

January 23rd, 2011 at 8:16 PM | You're right, he did also say (Score:1)
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You're right, he did also say Florida. I was commenting on the California part of it...

 

And for the record, no there weren't more than 4 Florida players landed each year Rodriguez was here:

2008: 3

2009: 8

2010: 3

2011: 3

January 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 AM | A blackberry doesn't do much (Score:1)
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A blackberry doesn't do much good if you don't know how to use it. Besides he will sell himself when he sits down and talks to the recruit face to face. All other forms of contact are just saying, hey we didn't forget about you.

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 AM | phones (Score:1)
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Ha!  I'm with the OP on the topic of cell phones, but it's probably true that the tiny BlackBerry keyboard buttons would be incompatible with Hoke's fingers.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 AM | He's no spring chicken to start with. (Score:1)
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If he has to wait much longer it will have to be a stainless steel Jitterbug. 

January 22nd, 2011 at 6:29 PM | texting (Score:1)
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texting people < touching people

January 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 AM | Goricki = Spartan Friendly (Score:1)
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Interesting that Goricki is Sparty friendly.  I hadn't followed him closely enough to have remembered.  If that's the case, then the choice of pictures for the article is interesting.  I thought Dantonio looked like someone peed in his gatorade. 

January 22nd, 2011 at 9:47 AM | That's just his natural facial expression . . . (Score:1)
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You should see it when someone actually does piss in his Gatorade.  FUNNY!

January 22nd, 2011 at 9:47 AM | Always? (Score:1)
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Doesn't Dantonio almost always look like somebody peed in his Gatorade?

January 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 AM | We might be on to (Score:1)
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We might be on to something...

 

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:36 AM | Whenever I see a picture of (Score:1)
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Whenever I see a picture of this flaming dick from Hell I always think "what misery would've it  be to be one of his kids? 

Can you imagine what a daily shit sandwhich you'd have to eat just to live with him?  I'm guessing this little tyrant  has little tolerance for unmade beds, dinner not on the table when he gets home or any sort of messy rooms.

 

 

January 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 AM | Because he scowls a lot? (Score:1)
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Because he scowls a lot?

For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

January 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 PM | Doesnt appear to be a happy (Score:1)
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Doesnt appear to be a happy person to me.  EVER.

I still remember his interview right after the Notre Dame game ended....

Announcer: "Wow coach...that was a gutsy call!"

Dantonio: "You're right.  It was a gutsy call." (not smiling)

 

 

January 22nd, 2011 at 12:10 PM | Heart attack (Score:1)
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Wasn't he having a heart attack at the time of that interview?

January 22nd, 2011 at 12:12 PM | EXCUSES ARE LIKE ASSHOLES. (Score:1)
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EXCUSES ARE LIKE ASSHOLES.  EVERYBODY HAS ONE BUT NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT YOURS.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 12:17 PM | no (Score:1)
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no

January 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 PM | yes? (Score:1)
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yes?

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January 22nd, 2011 at 1:03 PM | I'm negging you for making me (Score:1)
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I'm negging you for making me even think about what kind of asshole Mark Dantonio is.

Sorry.  I'll make up for it some other time.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 7:13 PM | No. (Score:1)
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Because he is The Dean of Discipline.

"[T]here were a lot of people predicting glorious heights for Rich; mostly the same people who are predicting doom and gloom [for Hoke]. Excuse me if I doubt their prognostication skills." -- M-Wolverine

January 22nd, 2011 at 11:58 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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January 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 AM | Seems Interesting (Score:1)
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Kinda funny when you think of it but isnt Coach Hoke's Resume more suited to coach Michigan State .Being he " Quit his Job as a federal probation and parole officer "

January 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 AM | Dantonio looks like he just used (Score:1)
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the metal-grater toilet paper in the previous comment.

M'Dog

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 AM | "No coach, I don't know why someone peed in your gatorade." (Score:1)
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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:18 AM | Game Face (Score:1)
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Bobby Knight said it's just Dantonio's game face:

January 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 AM | By the way, I feel like some (Score:1)
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By the way, I feel like some of these coaches have sour grapes because Rodriguez didn't recruit from them as frequently as they would have liked.  But when it comes down to it, Michigan is only middle-of-the-pack when it comes to football talent.  If I'm not mistaken, the plurality of NFL talent comes from the deep south - Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, etc. - and that's where Rodriguez went to get his guys.

Now rather than sending their kids to be backups at Michigan, these coaches are sending them off to be starters at places like CMU.  And I think it rubs them the wrong way that Rodriguez didn't seem to care about them.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:01 AM | Although I think you're (Score:1)
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Although I think you're right, it sounds like RR didn't show the MI HS coaches enough love.  Maybe RR didn't feel he had enough time to play the game with the local coaches.  I know a lot of times coaches will show interest in kids, but not offer.  This tact may have helped solidify better relationships with these coaches.  If a kid has interest from MI, it can elevate his recruiting status and generate more interest from other BCS level programs.

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 AM | The buzzards are circling the (Score:1)
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The buzzards are circling the carcass, determined to emerge in the right.

Next article please.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 AM | Yes, but when you recruit the (Score:1)
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Yes, but when you recruit the coaches players as backups he still gets to say "My kids got scholarship offers from Michigan."  So when the occasional Braylon Edwards, LaMarr Woodley, or Brandon Graham pops up that coach likes you and helps make sure the kid ends up at Michigan.  

Personally I'm happy to see Hoke looking at Ohio and Western PA to a degree.  Those areas have a decent amount of talent and are close in terms of ease of recruiting.  

January 22nd, 2011 at 11:59 AM | NFL Draft History by High School state (Score:1)
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Top NFL Draft pick producing states (in order):

1) California

2) Texas

3) Florida

4) Georgia

5) Louisiana

6) Ohio

7) Pennsylvania

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/draft-history-graphic.htm

January 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 PM | 8) Virginia T9) (Score:1)
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8) Virginia

T9) Alabama

T9) North Carolina

11) Michigan

January 22nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM | 11th out of 50 isn't bad.  (Score:1)
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11th out of 50 isn't bad.  I'm not sure why people knock the state's talent pool so much.  Locking down the state's best players needs to always be a priority. 

January 22nd, 2011 at 4:24 PM | The political weight attached (Score:1)
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The political weight attached to the "instate recruiting rivalry" between ytMSU and Michigan has made those recruits more valuable in the eyes of the public and the media.  Their psychological value has increased their value as recruits.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

January 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 PM | Actual research FTW! (Score:1)
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Actual research FTW!

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 AM | Just win. (Score:1)
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Just win.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 AM | I always thought, (Score:1)
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that as Michigan fans we all were excited that rr was going to focus on the south.(Florida)...As was stated, this is where most of the talent is...no?

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:27 AM | I think there was a general (Score:1)
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I think there was a general excitement about the overall type of athlete that he would be able to bring to Michigan, but I don't think people expected that we would lose our in-state kids.  Obviously there are some extenuating circumstances (e.g. msu getting package deal with Gholston & his coach). 

Just my opinion, but it seems as though in-state kids were a lower priority.  It sounds like RR was getting the "low hanging fruit" - kids that grew up Michigan fans and wanted to come.  I will defer to those that follow recruiting closer than me, however. 

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:32 AM | Again though, it all comes (Score:1)
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Again though, it all comes back to winning.  If RR goes 11-1 the past three seasons, more kids want to come here--and when the outstanding ones from in-state get offers, the coaches wouldn't be upset.  When the bottom feeders don't get offered, the coaches are understanding.  I completely agree with the notion of the best talent being in the south.  When RR showed up, we were so excited for those Florida recruiting pipelines.  Now that he's gone, everybody keeps using the fact that he didn't recruit heavily in MI as something against him.

If HS coaches in MI produced the kind of talent that the Southern states do, I assure you there would have been no lack of love from RR.  

January 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 AM | As I see it... (Score:1)
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Michigan HS coaches were insulted by RR concentrating on Florida.  They seemed to take RR's statements about the talent level down here, even though they were true, as a personal insult.  Saint Dantonio's rhetoric, while it seemed stupid to us, apparently resonated with the "intellect" of a lot of HS coaches in Michigan.  Many Michigan coaches are as parochial about their state as the Carr-tel is about the Michigan Coaching Tree.  The trick is to take advantage of them.

With Hoke at the helm, the same mentality that was used against RR can now be used for Hoke.  Right or wrong, it exists, and it may as well be exploited.  I hope he finds a way to concentrate on FL, GA, TX, and CA while blowing sunshine up Michigan coaches' behinds about how great the talent in Michigan is, and they never figure out that their short-sightedness and ego is being used to manipulate them.

The small minds that were easily manipulated by Saint Dantonio's rhetoric are the same small minds that remember Michigan dominating MSU for thirty of the last forty years.  The Saint opened a can of worms that is about to become a can of whoopass.  Unfortunately for him, it will be his ass that is being whooped.

 

 

 

 

January 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 AM | Do you know how fucking (Score:1)
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Do you know how fucking ridiculous you sound every time you type "Carr-tel" as if the evil secret society of Lloyd is just a matter of fact thing that obviously exists?  

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January 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 PM | So you're saying he committed (Score:1)
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So you're saying he committed the Carr-dinal sin?

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 AM | Well, he didn't have much of (Score:1)
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Well, he didn't have much of a chance to recruit Florida kids in the 2008 class.

So essentially you're saying that the kids who are freshmen and sophomores haven't contributed much yet, which...like...duh.  I don't think the freshmen and sophomores from Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio have done much, either.  The jury's still out on what kind of talent Rodriguez actually pulled from Florida, but there are several guys with time left and the potential to make an impact (Marvin Robinson, Ricky Barnum, etc.).

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 AM |   Well, he didn't have (Score:1)
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Well, he didn't have much of

Well, he didn't have much of a chance to recruit Florida kids in the 2008 class.

So essentially you're saying that the kids who are freshmen and sophomores haven't contributed much yet, which...like...duh.  I don't think the freshmen and sophomores from Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio have done much, either.  The jury's still out on what kind of talent Rodriguez actually pulled from Florida, but there are several guys with time left and the potential to make an impact (Marvin Robinson, Ricky Barnum, etc.).

 

/\/\/\/\/\...........This

 

Also,  previous poster is assuming that even if it is true that RR gets the left overs in FL, that these left overs aren't better than the shots we have at kids in MI.  The losses Michigan suffered over the past three years only gives us so much of a chance at a 5 Star kid from the state who has offers from schools like Alabama.  

 

Finally, you say that only two of RR's Florida recruits have panned out (one of which is possibly the greatest athletic talent the school has ever seen), but how have the top guys from the state done as well?  Cissoko?  Campbell?  That argument is a two way street, and the excitement for RR's pipelines wasn't just directed to FL, but to the entire untapped southern U.S. 

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