DG is 12 now? What # is RR?
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
DG is 12 now? What # is RR?
Roundtree switched to 21 a few months back
Yeah, don't know how I missed that.
He took the #21 legacy jersey.
please sir (i presume), your avi is distracting me at work.
All I need to see to feel comfortable with this decision: ""Devin is one of the best athletes I've ever seen," Robinson said."
This coming from one of the best athletes I'VE ever seen.
I like the idea of Denard to Devin better than Devin to Denard.
QB, long snapper, AND receiver!?!?
trick plays ahoy!
Jump balls ahoy, too.
I see this as a move like Ohio putting Pryor at receiver in the red zone to throw jump balls and use his height and athleticism. Honestly though, he could develop into a true receiver with time.
He redshirted so he has time to become great at the position. Oh wait...
I was at the OSU vs. Texas Fiesta bowl where Pryor was split out as reciever and caught that touchdown in the corner of the endzone. It seemed like absolutely everyone there except the Texas coaches and defense knew what the play was going to be (since they pretty much decided not to put anyone on him for some asinine reason).
That being said, splitting out a tall athletic QB can be an effective weapon if used properly and in moderation. I approve of this as well.
he either can play the position or he can't. he's obviously tall and athletic. if he has good hands and can run routes well, he should play a lot a WR.
The next Drew Henson? In what respect?
i was hoping for a poor man's version of vince young from gardner. henson had a cannon arm, which was his best asset. though, like you say, he was athletic enough to make plays. gardner's problem is his arm and accuracy.
I can only assume handsome white guy who is good at baseball.
You do realize we're talking about Drew Henson, right?
(MLB career stats: 8 games, .111 batting average, 2 runs)
Have to pretty good to even make it to 1 game in the major leagues
Henson has played in 8 more MLB games than probably 99.999% of the blog.
Gotta be able to hit the curveball to make it in the show though.
Look - I know guys who didn't sniff the majors who I consider good at baseball. Drew Henson did more in pro baseball than a guy like RVB will every do in pro football, but it doesn't mean he's not a good football player.
Taking away that my original post was a joke to begin with - I didn't say "HOF baseball player" or "All-Star baseball player" or even "very good baseball player." So, cool, you ripped on Drew Henson. For having bad stats as a professional baseball player.
HIs chosen profession. The man had options and chose the profession that he had the least amount of skill in. The last time I saw him play baseball in Toledo against the Mudhens he struck out 4 times and had two errors at third. He lasted longer than he should have because of the money invested and the hype. To this day I believe he would have been the number one draft pick and would have had an excellent football career.
He chose the profession that he had the least amount of skill in? Come on. If you were really good at two different things, and the one you were second best at gave you the chance to make millions to do it, would you pass? He loved baseball, he was good at it, and the fucking Yankees offered him millions to come play for them. And you're hating on him because he might have had a better future playing football (but might not, and very likely may have made less money)?
Kind of absurd, right?
Hating on him? Where did you see any hate? In my opinion he made a poor choice. If he had waited he might very well have been the number one choice in the draft as many experts were touting him for. And in those days that would have been about twice what he got for baseball. Plus, again in my opinion, he had a better chance of making an impact in football.
How is that absurd?
Sure, experts thought he could have been a big time draft pick in football, but other experts felt the same about him in baseball. And baseball players not only make more per year than football players, they usually have a much longer career. So from a strictly financial standpoint, baseball makes more sense. Throw in the fact that the money was on the table for baseball, whereas he would have had to wait a year for football and risk not making as much, the choice was pretty easy.
What you're leaving out though is that he said he preferred playing baseball. This happens. Same reason that Heisman winner from FSU in the early 90's whose name I can't pull out chose to play in the NBA over the NFL, even though he was a much better football player.
You can say "I wouldn't have made that choice in the same situation." But to say that you think he made a poor choice is absurd. In my opinion.
I believe the name you are looking for is Charlie Ward. 1993 Heisman Trophy winner, twice-drafted in baseball and a 1st round pick in the 1994 NBA Draft.
Had a pretty long NBA career- probably longer than he would have lasted in the NFL. Interesting sidenote- he also got picked in the MLB draft.
EDIT: Yeah, what he said ^^
When Henson left, fans weren't really used to people leaving early to take multi-million dollar contracts yet. Now that it is almost a cliche, people are more used to it. Henson's choice was extremely unpopular then, but he did get offered an amount of money that is as much or more than many college grads will make in their entire careers to go to New York.
If it happened now, he wouldn't get nearly as much crap for it, even if it was orchestrated by Ohio fan George Steinbrenner.
It's interesting that when someone takes a stance different from yours then they're absurd. Since I'm so absurd I'll go way out on a limb and say the second poor choice he made was to stick so long to baseball when it was obvious that he wasn't going to be a major leaguer. If he'd have made that decision earlier he might have found a place in the NFL.
And Charlie Ward didn't have near the size of Henson. His making it in the NFL as a quarterback would have been problematic at best.
No way was Henson worth what he was signed to at the time. Good baseball player, but contract was about getting him out of AA.
That's not meant as a knock on Henson because I was rooting for him in baseball even though I was disappointed to see him go.
I'm clearly still very bitter that he left U of M for the MLB. He's a good enough baseball player for the Yanks to sign him and I was not taking that away from him, but he was obviously not considered a good professional baseball player, especially when compared to the potential everyone thought he had in the sport.
He left UM mostly because OSU alum Stienbrenner couldn't stand to see his team lose with Drew as the starting QB, so he made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
that Henson was Baseball America's high school player of the year as a senior. A lot of folks thought he wa going to be a very good PROFESSIONAL baseball player.
Yeah, but that happens all the time in every sport. A lot of people thought guys like David Terrell or Chris Perry should have had much better professional careers too, but it doesn't always work out. He had a great opportunity and he took it, like most of us probably would have done. Don't be bitter.
If I was in his position I would've absolutely made the same decision. However, as a stereotypical, delusional U of M fan, I reserve the right to irrationally and hypocritically hold a grudge against kids who make the decision to follow their dreams when that dream doesn't benefit my own selfish interests.
That's fair, and I admire your honesty. It is the best policy, after all.
If RVB has played in 9 or more games with more than two tackles at the end of his career, I`m totally coming back to neg this post.
And I'll gladly take the neg.
Drew Henson running naked bootlegs for TD's against OSU was a thing of beauty. I would be happy with Devin Gardner doing the same.
Receiver or just certain plays?
Edit: Nevermind...I did the unthinkable...saw the posted link.
My sons poster schedule from the athletic department came today! Looks pretty sweet. In the shape of 2012 with pics of all 133 teams! Sorry for tht thread jack!
That would be worthy of its own thread if you had a photo or three.
Not sure how with my iphone. Shape is 133 by the way
I think it's kinda ballsy, but necessary given the current dynamic of our team. The first reflex is to think "what if . . . " Well the truth is that Devin has a much better chance of getting hurt if he's playing WR than if he is backing up Denard. But, our best chance to win as a team is if he's on the field at wideout. I wish he didn't have to play WR. But I love that Devin is willing to make the switch and that the coaches are willing to take this kind of tactical risk.
Well if Gardner wants to go pro, his best bet will be at WR.
Our team just got a lot better over night..
OK QB vs potentially dominating WR. Hmmm. If he was the next great thing at QB he would have won the starting job.
Just because a guy doesn't beat out the returning Offensive Player of the Year in his conference as a RS Freshman doesn't mean he isn't going to be any good at the position. Devin is definitely going to be our best option at QB in 2013.
I like this. Tall, athletic, with speed. Not to mention this opens up all sorts of trick plays with passes to Devin in the backfield that turn into Devin chucking the ball to Roundtree (or back to Denard). We may need all of that trickeration vs. Alabama. Plus, it just seemed criminal to have such a talented athlete sitting on the bench all the time. He could still play backup for Denard if necessary, as well.
Having your backup QB double as a ninja receiving threat worked pretty darn well for Kain Colter, Dan Persa, and Northwestern last year
Also - the first year Keith Nichol moved to WR he was also the back up QB. That ended up going well for MSU as well.
the "ninja" receiver comment. The visualization that popped in my head was funny
Worked out pretty well for Ryan Tannehill also.
Devin has the potential to be a game changing WR... and he'll win the Belitnikof award. After this year we'll all wish he had played WR last year as well. And then next year he'll go back to QB and win the Heisman... Michigan's second consecutive year with a Heisman winning QB. He'll be the first ever player EVER to accomplish these feats. And we will rejoice.
what about NCs?
/ Fred Jackson
Vindication tastes so sweet, doesn't it?
Vindication always feels empty without the appropriate MgoPoints to back it up.
I can't see points because I am never on a laptop that I can access MGoBlog. If I were I would un-neg you lol. Whoever negged you was insane to think this might not happen. Please don't neg me in case I ever go look at my points. I got an email many moons ago that said I reached a certain amount to do posts. Yes!
Likely because he wouldn't see playing time at qb this year, not to mention he's one of the biggest athletes on the team. He's bigger than Braylon Edwards was.
It is good to hear it officially now as it confirms what was generally suspected for months here anyway, and it's an excellent move that gives the offense an extra dimension by way of someone who could be a serious deep threat at 6'4" and 205 pounds. I wonder also if this is a sign that Russell Bellomy is definitely up-and-coming as a QB and they feel comfortable with him potentially running some plays here and there right now. If that is the case, then Al's playbook just became that much bigger, which is a good thing. I see this as another example of this staff making the most of what they have, and thus far, they've done well at maximizing potential through such realignment.
I like this move,because we can, but don't sleep on DG as a QB. He throws a great ball and is very elusive. His decision making is a little slow sometimews, which is a reflection of getting comfortable with the system and getting snaps. I still think he is the starter next year at QB, not someone else.
The guy was just a RS freshman the last time we saw him and his only appearances came in quick substitution situations or in the middle of games due to injury, in both cases tough times to get into a rhythm and get comfortable at a position where timing is so important.
He's still going to be the best QB in the conference after Denard graduates.
Speaking of Gardner's redshirt, how does that work? Does he have to appeal when the 2013 season concludes to get a 5th year (if he wants one) and then the NCAA evaluates? Or did he lodge an appeal after his first year that the NCAA just waits on?
but essentially it's a conference decision, and the Big Ten is making him wait until after his true senior year to apply.
How sweet would it be for Devin to establish himself at WR this year and then finish his SR year wearing the #1 jersey?
This video is quite dated, but if you want to check out Gardner's catching ability and body control, it's worth the view.
You just have to get your second best athlete on the field somehow, but this will inevitably make him a less effective qb. That's concerning when Denard is often dinged and at the most important position on the field
How is learning the receivers exact routes, personally, going to make him less effective?
There are only a finite number of hours you can practice (this message brought to you by the Detroit Free press) and so this has I decrease his qb reps. Still think it's a good idea on balance, but there is a downside.
As I posted earlier, it worked out fine for Ryan Tannehill.
As long as he is still getting some reps at QB, his effectiveness shouldn't suffer too much since he has spent years preparing to play the position at the collegiate level. Although it's certainly possible for Denard to get dinged, the coaching staff can't bank on him getting injured and I think this move will really boost our offensive potential.
There is literally nothing in the article that supports your assertion "for the record, this is a permanent move for Devin."
In fact, Hoke hedges his bets: "Hoke wouldn't commit to how much time Gardner would receive at wideout, but did say it would depend some on his ability to protect the football at that position"
In fact, "Wolverines head coach Brady Hoke said Friday at Big Ten media days in Chicago that the junior will split time this fall between backing up starter Denard Robinson at quarterback and getting reps at receiver."
This is an experiment whose results won't be known until after DG gets substantial game action at WR, and proves he can hold onto the ball after getting blasted by a head-hunting DB or LB. IF he's as talented as people like Denard say he is, maybe he'll end up as a full-time WR, but saying right now that it's a "permanent" move to WR is jumping way ahead of the situation.
"We have a chance to get Devin on the field as a wide receiver some, because of his athleticism," Hoke said.
Devin needs game snaps at QB if he is going to maximize his progress to being ready in the event that Denard is hurt or for next season. I hope that Devin lines up at WR in special situations, and that when Michigan has a comfortable lead we see him at QB in place of Denard in the 4th quarter.
Certainly has the size and athleticism to be elite but what do you expect from him this year?
Gotta go make a change on my NCAA Football 13 roster.
So that makes Michigan's QB depth chart:
1 Denard Robinson
2 Russell Bellomy
3 Jack Kennedy
4 Alex Sweica?
I think you cross that bridge when you get to it. Another year and belomy might be able to beat out Shane next year regardless
this has the potential to pay some big dividends. gardner's big, fast, and provides more depth at a position that we really need it for.
the only question is, in the hypothetical situation that this really pays off and he turns out to be a great receiver, does he go back to qb next year? i'm still iffy on handing the reigns over to morris as a true freshman, and bellomy has the look of a career backup.
From everything I've heard, he will still be taking reps as second team QB as well, so my expectation is that he will go into spring camp next year as the #1 QB. Likewise, if Denard were to get shaken up this year, Gardner will go in as his back-up.
Fact is we need receivers. Need someone to step up this year so we have some experienced playmakers to help out the new QB next year.
I think this descision will be heralded as one of greatest coaching decisions in Michigan's long football history.
DG is an elite athlete who has basically spent his time on the side lines adding little to the team but peace of mind. I think he's going end up being an amazing WR -- he has the size, the speed, and the hunger to contribute. Not to mention the tact that he's bound to have amazing chemistry with his roommate and best friend, Denard Robinson.
I cannot wait to see it.
Love this move. Give DG a year to get acclimated to Wr. Next year Morris starts with a 6'4" beast for a go-to guy, Chesson and Darboh as sophomores, and explosive Treadwell getting some playing time with his boy Morris as a true freshman, not a bad scenario. Takes me back to when a freshman Henne was chucking it up to a senior Braylon, laying a beautiful smackdown on sparty in that classic dismantling of little brother.
Excellent. Puts Devin on the field all the time, with minimal risk as Bellomy is progressing.
Just my opinion but I think Bellomy was the most underrated QB in his class. I've watched his film several times, watched him play very well against some of the best competition in Texas and still don't understand why he wasn't rated higher. I guess I'm missing something.
I think Bellomy starts next season, Morris is 2nd string and Gardner stays at receiver.
I think how much he plays at wideout will be based off of how well Chesson and Darboh play and if they can contribute this fall. If one of those guys can come out as a freshman and make an impact it will allow them to not HAVE to use Devin as more than a Woodson type threat. I love the prospect of Devin being a stud receiver but I'm also attempting to be a realist and have to think the coaches don't want to use him excessively.
I think this is exactly what we'll see. Roundtree (900+ yards as a sophomore) and Gallon are both fairly proven commodities. The coaches also thought enough of Roy to give him the #21 legacy patch treatment, so I'm guessing they expect big things from him next year.
Add in any contribution from Dileo, the freshmen, or a guy like Robinson and you are pretty set as far as options go. Don't forget that this isn't going to be a pass happy team with Denard and Fitz. Last year we completed less than 12 passes per game. Hemingway led the team with 2.6 catches per game. Even with what should be increased efficiency that number isn't going to go up a whole lot (we're not going to be throwing 30-40 times a game, especially with a defense that should be better than last year's as well).
Devin could have a big impact and still only make one or two catches a game. Leaving him plenty of time to focus on his QB duties.
It's a good move for the team and for Devin. The team gets to see how he works out as a receiver, and he's likely to be very good.
And Devin would probably be a better fit in the NFL as a receiver, regardless of how he finishes his career here, so having this experience may improve his NFL draft stock assuming that he plays well.
This is a great move. He could be a game breaker if he works hard at being a WR.
a dominate 1-2 year starting QB.