I have a masters degree, but I don't understand what that has to do with understanding DB.
Hockey pet peeve: "when a teammate tips a puck in on you, which is exactly how my first collegiate goal against happened. Thanks, Copper."
I have a masters degree, but I don't understand what that has to do with understanding DB.
that he was basically lying when he said he'd conduct a national search.
I am on board with Hoke and I liked his press conference, but it was very evident that DB's national search really was actually focused on 3 possible people, all of whom had Michigan connections (JH, LM and BH).
Brandon reiterated he did a national search today, then followed up by saying that it was vital the candidates had experience recruiting in the area, then made the comments about not having to teach the Victors to the coach.
If Hoke ultimately works out here, that doesn't necessarily mean that Brandon had the open mind and open search that he claimed he was going to run.
I have two masters degrees . . . What are we talking about again?
the new rocket science, yo. I'm going to start using it the phrase liberally.
"Come on, honey, we're making PB&Js for the kids, here. Geez, this isn't adminstrating!"
"Ed, you need to CC on those emails to HR. It's not that hard to remember, is it? It's not like this is adminstration."
LOL your argument is seriously laughable as it's based entirely on an appeal to authority/expertise.... "DB has a master's degree ergo he's right and you all are wrong". Seriously, that's what your post amounts to.
why that school in ohi should be afraid of Brady Hoke!
We have the blessing of Gordon "Little Sisters of the Poor" Gee. Rock and roll guys!
I feel obligated to post this sarcastically for the perceived good of the board.
Where is Ohi? When did it get it's own school? Why should they be afraid of BH?
*fingers crossed in hopes that I spelled everything correct and was grammatically perfect, lest there be repercussions*
I didn't bash Hoke if you noticed. I like the hire. I bashed the process.
It is possible that Brandon did exactly what he said.
Hoke, I'm happy for. Got his dream job. Loved his answer to Sharp, which might as well have been a ring-encrusted middle finger.
I mean, shit, though, there's a million ways Brandon could have done this better. Starting with not making it look like Hoke was the fallback choice. One of the stupidest things I ever read was that the reason Brandon was in Baton Rouge was because he was getting Les Miles' advice re: Hoke. Well shit man, that could have been done with a phone call, so, Brandon's line about nobody else being offered the job is phony as hell. Kind of like how the Big Ten wasn't going to invite any school that hadn't already said they would definitely accept.
I think some people are reading way to much into his comments. No leader(CEO or Politician) is going to give the details of his process to th the public or let alone the media.
Obviously the guy was tired and direct to the point, but I watched it after the fact and didn't find him to be to dickish.
Hoping that Hoke would give him this look when Drew Sharp asked a question.
Hoping that Hoke would give him this look when Drew Sharp asked a question.
I like that he was a little bit of a dick. I just didn't like that he insulted my intelligence by stating that he just offered Hoke yesterday, got 40 former players on flights from different cities to A2 with less than a days notice, etc, etc.
The whole thing has been coordinated which is a testimate to his organizational and political skills.
But my intelligence is insulted when he stands there and says he just decided on Hoke yesterday and that the whole thing hasn't been a big coordinated charade.
We don't know if he was lying about offering Hoke yesterday because:
1. Hoke was still working as normal for SDSU at that time (recruiting)
2. Couldn't locate Hoke and directly spoke to Hoke's wife at the press conference about that
3. He might have had a list of people ready to show up at the the press conference prior to all of this due to his time line of wanting a coach
Why do you care to know so much about the behind-the-scenes hiring process? Brandon hired what he believed to be the best guy for Michigan and that's all that matters. When I get a job offer I don't care if I was their first or last choice, and neither should you. Even if he had Hoke at the top of the list the whole time, he needed to be sure that he was the right guy and thus evaluated other candidates as well. We will never know the full details of his search, and that's the way it should be.
Stop trying to stir up drama. Brandon did the best job he could as a first time AD. The program is in good hands. Worry about something else. Move on.
Brandon wasn't honest about what was happening, which, fine. But he also wants to portray himself as the upstanding virtuous Michigan Man. Which, not fine. Can't have it all, Brandon.
But we can make noise about our dislike for Dave Brandon.
He needs to go.
If/when Hoke doesn't work out in a few years, Dave Brandon is the last person we need to run the coaching search.
Was glad to see firedavebrandon.com is under construction. Hopefully something will come out there.
Are you serious with this?
A Superbowl MVP, NFL defensive MVP, former coaches, and just about everyone who played for Hoke at Michigan and other schools all think he is perfect for the job, but because you wanted something else, the athletic director needs to be fired?
What little respect I had for conversations on message boards is quickly dissapearing.
The board has closed ranks behind Hoke. It wouldnt matter if he was a third year med student that had never seen a football field before, now that DB has annointed him and the search is over the vast majority of the board is going to hold hands and sing kumbaya cause he's a "Michigan Man".
I just have one question for the pro-Hoke crowd.....who would be a WORSE hire? Who did Brady beat out that you'd say "man am I glad we dont have THAT guy coaching us."?
How do you know Hoke is a bad hire? The guy hasn't coached a single game as head coach.
i second that. Hoke gets 3 years to prove it or shut up.
Interesting to hear that jab about Bill Martin. At least he had the courage to go against the Carr clique and choose from the outside. He displayed more character in that decision than some others.
But then he retired and left Rich Rod without cover which is why he got fired. $10 says D Brandon gives Hoke waaaaay more time than Rich Rod to turn things around.
Brandon is a turd. Hole came off well. But it does bother me that he hasn't spoken with the players back in SD. I understand he had no time this week. But shouldn't he really go back and talk to them? I hate when coaches just bolt.
To be fair we don't know that he hasn't spoken to the players back in SD. Could have been a conference call due to the timeline. Maybe he will go back and talk to them also; you're just making an assumption here.
He didn't meet with the team because he couldn't--SDSU is on break right now and the students won't be back until next Tuesday. He did send them all a text message, per a Chengelis article:
"That's the thing that you hate," Hoke said of not being able to tell his players face-to-face of his departure. "I blasted a text message and told them we had made a decision."
No, I'm not. He said he sent them a group-text. He made no mention of going back.
You can't criticize DB for using the pimp hand that we all anointed him with. I thought he did a great job with divulging as much information about the search as he could. Obviously some parts of the hiring process should never be made public and we must respect that.
Plus, the last two minutes of the presser, where he was describing what it is to be michigan. That was some moving shit. This guy loves michigan just as much as Hoke.
...about the last two minutes of the presser. He really put his heart on his sleeve there.
Another thing to keep in mind, he was speaking primarily to the "PRESS." He wasn't talking to fans, former players, alumni (i guess some of the press are alumni, including Drew Dull), etc. I am glad he put them in their place. These were the same people who were crapping on the program. DB knows that and wasn't ready to make kissy face with them just because they fawned over Hoke.
Bo, Mo, Lloyd all BLED maize and blue. They weren't the most sophisticated or innovative. We loved them because they loved UM so much and were passionate, caring, and tenacious. I get the same feeling from Hoke.
To MGOLITERAL: The reason I care about the process is because we lost recruits. I didn't say anything about the first choice or last choice and don't care about that. I simply stated, based on relevant evidence, that Brandon has known who his choice was for a period of time longer than the last 24 hours (which he implied). So if he knew, what was the reason for putting on the charade and sabotaging the recruiting class? That is at the heart of my post.
I'm curious as to the relevant evidence that Brady Hoke was his man all along? Again, I'll reiterate a point I thought of before the dismissal of RichRod and the press conference comment, if you are in the business world, you are constantly considering your succession plans. So yes, I'm sure Brandon had a list of potential contacts in mind.
Now, when you stop thinking that this search HAS to have been like most other coaching searches, most hiring processes involve assembling candidates and actually interviewing all of them first. This process gives you a chance to actually use data, interviews, and recommendations to select the best coach, not just the flavor of the week. I think he was high on Hoke, but again, why even reach out to Fitzgerald. Outside of this blog (of which I was one of many that advocated for before and after the firing) no one was talking about Fitz, so it's not like asking to interview would be appeasing anyone (like Harbaugh/Miles). Also, I'm actually applying for a coaching job right now, had my second interview today, but during the initial interview, I was told that I was probably the strongest candidate out of all four initially interviewed. But that doesn't mean I was going to get the job, they are doing their due diligence. I might not click with some of the current staff that would be working under me.
Finally, what is your evidence that some of those who have defected might have stayed with a Hoke hiring anyhow. Would more time help - possibly, but not guaranteed. DB played under Bo Schembechler. He has a degree from UofM. He was a CEO of Domino's Pizza. He's a former regent, and now an athletic director. I think he's earned a bit more respect and our patience.
What relevant evidence? Umm... Dave Brandon said Hoke was his first choice and he didn't offer the job to anyone else.
By the way, Dave Brandon is a douchebag and he definitely seems like a corrupt politician. Don't like him and I get the sense that he's "fake" (hate using that word... 12 year old girls say that).
... I thought he came off well, and I know I am in the minority.
He was being a dick (which I liked) because this process has been undermined by the very people who claim to support the program. The flight tracking, the immediate meltdown by the blog fanbase, the tweet rumor mongering, helped make this thing a circus. Brandon even said all that stuff was not helpful and I think he has the right to be upset. If we're honest about it, we made this a circus by our reaction, not him.
From what it sounds like, he talked to a bunch of people and in the end he got a good coach who will build men of character out of boys. He will build Michigan men. Winning without integrity was never an option for me, and I for one am happy that within one week we have someone at the helm of the football team that is as passionate about Michigan and about the development of our youth as I am. This is a testament to Brandon's decision.
Are you implying that JH and LM, the other two most talked about candidates, have no integrity? Or perhaps that was meant for RR? Totally uncalled for in all three instances in my opinion.
... I have no beef with RR. Les Miles integrity can be challenged and should. JH made some questionable comments about Michigan to improve Stanford's image. That is not the action of a man with integrity. He owed so much to the very school he was criticizing just for his own personal gain.
I agree. None of the search needs to be made public...you are missing my point. He should have just thrown politics aside and made his choice the second he knew he had his man. He would have salvaged the recruiting class.
Then again, Hoke has a few weeks to hopefully salvage the class. If he comes across to them as he did to me today at the presser, we might be alright.
Obviously DB is in the position he is because he is a smart guy. At this point, I will just assume that there are reasons unknown to me that he had to do it this way. I just can't think of one.
He *had* to pursue Harbaugh to the depth's end. And I'm sure that was his plan. Everybody, including me, would have disavowed the program if he had hired Hoke a month ago.
And I'm not buying the argument that all these flights take a week to get lined up; they don't. At any rate, don't you think everybody that showed up today would have been thrilled with JH as well? Or Miles? If I Were DB, I'd have them lined up no matter who the coach was. It only makes sense.
Bottom line is, you can have your theories that this was all a charade to dupe you, and sure some of that necessarily goes on with something very public that one is trying to keep private, but you can't objectively judge a guy on what you don't know.
Little extreme but the first example in my head. Just because OJ Simpson was proven not guilty and I don't officially know that he committed double murder, doesn't mean I can't objectively judge him.
To me he came off extremely defensive and even weak at times.
Brandon usually exudes confidence and self assuredness, but you could tell the stress from unhappy fans has gotten to him.
Believe me, he's going to do everything he can to get Hoke to win. If not, he's going to feel 10x more pressure for firing Rich Rodriguez, especially when Rich lands somewhere else and goes to BCS bowls.
Love what Hoke said about not supporting Michigan (RR)
"Shame on us."
I'm not a Brandon fan anymore. I really liked RR and wanted him for 1 more season, but I support Hoke like I supported Lloyd and RR.
After watching that press conference, I am 100% more excited about Hoke. He brings and intensity and understanding of, not only big ten football, but MICHIGAN FOOTBALL, that RR was lacking.
ok admittedly I didn't catch all of it but I don't understand all the criticism of DB's performance at the pc. If he was a dick, and I would describe him as having an edge, good. Why should he bow down to the fools in the press. The guy's smarter and more accomplished than probably anyone in the room. More to the point, he's probably pissed at the media. What people don't seem to understand is that its the media and to an extent people like us on the internet that portrayed the search in a particular way, that Hoke looks like plan C after JH and Miles said no with no one else even being considered. I believe thats not how it went. I may be wrong but none of us know.
I'm not thrilled with the the hire (although its growing on me), certainly not thrilled with the timing (RR should have been let go after the OSU game), and if the process was as it was portrayed to be, then obviously thats a nightmare. But his performance at the PC? Rock solid.
He took a shot at LM and JH coaches who everyone and there mother knows should have been the HC in AA. However I liked how he said he went to 6 cities in 5 days. Props to DB he researched this well. Sure if I was DB this process could of been avoided after the OSU game. Im not the AD. So kudos to DB getting the right guy that wants to be here!
Though DB was in a tough spot on what he could say without calling Hoke a second or third option, he handled it very poorly. I turned off my radio after a while.
What I came away with on Brandon in today's presser is that either he thinks we're all stupid or he is far more stupid than we all think.
As for Hoke, I am 100% on board with him after today. Some things need to shake out with the staff, etc. But he said and did all the right things and came off a little less "I'm here to fix what the last guy broke" than I expected.
Sorry about being a dick like allegedly DB was, but I was impressed with his handling of the presser, especially with all the work he's put in.
I guess most of you haven't been involved in management or in hiring managers, vice presidents, etc, but it's much different in the business world than in the athletic world. And it shows why so many athletic coach hires are absolute disasters.
Usual coaching search goes something like this: AD gets all hot and bothered over coach du jour and puts all eggs in that basket. They get sloppy, media gets leaks, and either they pour out tons of money to get the hot coach, or the hot coach turns it in and gets a big pay increase to stay. Then said AD panics and starts reaching at straws for hires. Alumni get upset, boosters complain, and usually they end up with third or fourth choice that was never on the AD's radar and usually a panic hire.
Isn't that what happened here. NO, absolutely not. Brandon mentioned from the firing presser that as a CEO, you are always involved in succession planning. This was always a topic at work. Who were you grooming to take your position should you move to another company, get promoted, or get hit by a bus. Hey, it happens. So Brandon had a list all along, and from the initial press conference, it was obvious that he wasn't going after Harbaugh. So what exactly happened.
He did conduct a national search. We know for sure he talked to Miles - there was no way to keep that one quiet. Rumors are he did talk to Gruden - unconfirmed. We know he wanted to talk with Fitzgerald (who I believe was at the top of his list) and was rebuffed. A good hiring process involves interviewing ALL potential candidates until you either interviewed them all, or you happen to have that interview that you know you won't do better.
Brandon comes from the corporate world. He mentioned he ran numbers and looked at the data. I thought it was interesting some of the tid bits he dropped about successful vs. unsuccessful coaches over the past 25 years or so. You can find a pattern and move on that. Recruiting is key and he pointed that out.
Sorry we didn't get Harbaugh or Miles. But I'm not sure they were ever in the mold, or that they were ever offered. I'm sorry Brady Hoke isn't a sexy hire, but neither was Jim Tressel, or Pete Carroll at USC. Others included in non-sexy hires included Mike Price at Washington State, Les Miles at LSU, Gary Pinkel at Missouri, and others I'm sure. There have been sexy hires that have been fizzles like - Lane Kiffin at Tennessee, Howard Schnellenberger at Oklahoma, Butch Davis at UNC, Rick Neuhisal (take your pick anywhere, but lets focus on UCLA), Mike Stoops at Arizona, Dennis Erickson at ASU, Steve Kragthorpe at Louisville, Bill Callahan at Nebraska, and oh yeah, Rich Rodriguez at Michigan.
David Brandon shouldn't be fired or even doubted. Lets see what Coach Hoke does first, and then he'll get his evaluation.
I guess most of you haven't been involved in management or in hiring managers, vice presidents, etc, but it's much different in the business world than in the athletic world.
How's it going up there on your high horse, Mr. President? Just cut the Athletic Dept. their annual check and talk down to the folks on mlive.