"Hoke bringing the arrogance back to Michigan."
Aside from Stanford, Texas and North Carolina also combine outstanding academic reputations with success in athletics. But f**k Texas and North Carolina.
No, I think athletics is the appropriate term: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_schools_offer_the_most_NCAA_varsity_sports
USC and UCLA are up there too. They don't quite have our grad programs, but their undergrads are arguably superior to UMich's.
how many football games have they won historically? And why is my post labeled trolling? I guess haters gonna hate
You didn't say football though, you said sports. According to the NACDA (AD's) Stanford has hands-down the most successful athletic department in the country.
yawn. We are the best public university on the planet. THAT IS A FACT.
Arrogance is only the realization you are better than everyone.
whoever is labeling me as trolling: Haters gonna hate. I am better person than you.
I am arrogant as hell, deal with it
Actually, the rankings just came out and the top two public universities are, first, University of Virginia and, second, UCLA. So there's that.
You might have more credibility if you could decide whether you're a Michigan fan or a Purdue fan.
screw it, it is not worth it to prove my fandom on here for the billionth time. I am willing to bet I am 10000x a bigger michigan fan than you.
I am sorry, saying someone shouldn't be a michigan fan is very RCMB'ish. That above post was short of calling me a walmart wolverine.
screw it,.
a great school. However, the debate is over, the data is clear, Michigan is the best. USNWR has us rated higher in more categories than Stanford. Then you throw in athletics, forget about it. Stanford cant even sell out a home football game.
I'm sorry, but that argument cannot be made, let alone saying "the data is clear." They are top 5 undergrad, # 3 law school, # 1 business school. I guess I don't know where our 5 person pharmacy school stacks up, but let's not lose credibility by 100% concluding something that 0 people outside of the city of Ann Arbor would agree with.
I love UMich. It's great. It has taught me to be an objective thinker.
Michigan is the #4 education school...(but sparty is #1...)
You do realize that Stanford has won the Sears Cup (aka NACDA Learfield Sports Directors Cup) 17 years in a row.
Humble Pie tastes disgusting. I prefer Arrogance Pie. It tastes good going down and its intoxicating!
We're not seeing articles about Minnesota here. I think they're proving Hoke's point.
Does Jerry Kill bring anything to Minnesota? Other than his last name?
Yes.
A great coaching pedigree. Enthusiasm, a great work ethic.
He's won everywhere he's coached, and he's well-respected by other coaches, high school coaches, and players.
And he currently has commitments from the top 6 Minnesota recruits in-state, which is something Brewster and Mason never did.
The dude is a solid, hard-working coach, which frankly is good enough. He'll turn that team into a 7-8 victory squad on average, with the occasional breakthrough year like 2003 for Minnesota. Any Minnesota fan expecting more than that with the division they're in is being delusional.
Anytime rival schools are talking about us being "arrogant," we're doing something right.
My co-worker emailed me this article the other day with the subject line, "I've always wondered why you are the way you are"
hope i dont offend any "arrogant" types, but arrogance is the height of insecurity.
Michigan will win when they deserve to win. im a fan of earning wins and ass kicking my opponents.
i dont remember the last time my thoughts about how good i was ever won me something.
let Notre Dame be that way. not Michigan.
are you also a fan of stabbing people with forks?
who you are. Michigan is arrogant not as a defense mechanism but as a product of arrogance being wired into our collective DNA. Just one more reason why we are so special.
past blown games, underwhelming schemes, and insecure people disagree with you
Nonsense. "Arrogance" is an accusation that gets leveled when opponents have nothing else to say.
Thinking you're bad helped you win then? Or indifference led you to victory right? Garbage. There's nothing wrong with thinking you're good. There's something wrong with being content in thinking you're good, and telling everyone you're good, and not performing. Hoke is saying "this is Michigan" with regards to recruiting. Guess what? He's performing. Hoke is saying "this is Michigan" with regard to rebuilding. We'll see if that belief is followed by performance. So far he has delivered. He's created a buzz and instilled confidence in the team and recruits. I haven't heard of one complaint, except by the media, of Hoke being anything but personable and inspiring. These are not characteristics of arrogance. I'm leaning more towards confidence than arrogance at this point.
Arrogance is a vice, and an ugly one at that. As someone else said above, the distinction between confidence and arrogance is important. As a Michigan fan and alum I like to think I'm confident and not the least bit afraid to explain why, as well as being very happy and feeling truly blessed. But nothing justifies arrogance.
And it was Hoke who droped the A word, and I think that was a bad move. I wouldn't really put this on the Star Tribune as getting all upset about it or anything (as it seems some people are doing). I love coach Hoke, I bought my Hokeamania! t-shirt shortly after the Mattison hire and have just been happier and happier ever since thanks to the recruiting and the pointing and all the sunshine and rainbows and such. But I do think he should maybe back away from the arrogance, or at least consider a symantic shift toward confidence or something similar. I think it would help too if instead of just saying "We're Michigan" you add what that means. Why do you think recruits are still interested in the school after a few bad years? Because we're Michigan, the winningest program of all time, steeped in tradition, the home of the biggest stadium in the country, a superb educational institution, the home of Woodson and Howard and Harmon and Brady (etc, etc), etc, etc, etc. That's not arogant, that's the truth, those are the facts. Why wouldn't they want to come? Anyway...
Well, the Sister was right. You boys could use a little churching up. Slide on down to the Triple Rock, and catch Rev. Cleophus. You boys listen to what he's got to say.
I don't want to listen to no jive-ass preacher talking to me about Heaven and Hell.
I would like to add that there is also a difference between being humble and being passive aggressive. Like arrogance/confidence, many people can't seem to grasp the difference. Also, Hoke didn't say that he thinks that we should be arrogant because we are Michigan. He was basically saying that he doesn't care whether people think it is arrogant that he answers a question with "this is Michigan", nor should he. The simple fact that there are articles like this shows how much of a behometh Michigan is in the college football landscape. Conversely, how else is he supposed to answer "hey coach, how are you guys doing se well recruiting this year"? The answer is obvious and I would posit that it has nothing to do with the win totals of the last 3 years. "This is Michigan" is the truth, even if it is hard for some to swallow.
Sorry for thread jacking, but I don't have enough points to start my own. I didn't see this anywhere, but according to Tom Kowalski, the Lions signed UFA Greg Banks.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/08/nick_fairley_titus_young_still.html
Tom mentions the pertinent information halfway through the article.
My response to that is..... good.
Based on the treatment RR got from day one I am sure that was never something lost.
...I'm lovin' it!
Article on the same topic. (about halfway down the page). The hate is so tangible, so palpable, you can almost sense how much teeth grinding there was while he was writing this.
It's glorious and I love it. Just a few more weeks before arrogance reigns supreme again.
EDIT: It's all the way down on the first page. (This guy gets it)
His very existence has made me into a worse person, more vengeful and petty than ever before.
This made me lol.
Hoke is getting in their heads, and he hasn't even coached a game yet. I love it.
Hoke is simply stating what needs to be said to re-establish belief and confidence within the program. Anything less says we are satisfied with what's been happening in recent years. The fact is, Michigan is NOT like most other schools. We have stronger academic programs on the whole, many distinguished alumni and faculty, an incredible state-of-the-art campus, a rich tradition, and superb leadership. Being an alum of Michigan DOES mean a lot. If that's arrogance, we're guilty.
Guys, he's right. We should take a page from Minnesota's book and go from arrogance to complete and utter irrelevance.
Don't get pride and arrogance mixed up!
Pride comes before the fall.