Real recognize real.
alternate headline: man does job
Real recognize real.
Real recognize real. Coach Hoke and his staff seem to be incredibly real, fun-loving guys. Who wouldn't want to play for a staff that likes to have so much fun, but know when it's time to work? Sprinkle in Coach Mattison (the 25 year-old) who's coached some of the best players the game has ever seen and the fact that This Is Michigan, fergodsakes and it's a no-brainer. This staff has been here long enough now that they're able to start relationships with elite talent much earlier in the process. The sky is the limit for this class. Just as it will be from now on as long as Brady is here.
What is the likelihood that Hand ends up in Ann Arbor now that Peppers is here, and when does he announce?
He has not set a time for when he will make a decision as far as I know. I did read somewhere though that it is being speculated that he won't commit anywhere until NSD.
And like people have been saying on here, the likelihood of him ending up in AA is pretty good. If history repeats itself, a HANDful of the top recruits will follow each other to one school (Michigan) just like last year (Ole Miss).
Hand is already tired of the process and wants to get it over with sooner rather than later. He's narrowing down his schools and telling everyone else to hit the bricks. He might not decide till after his senior season, but I'd be shocked if he waits until NSD.
You should post more just so I have the pleasure of seeing your avatar picture more often.
THIS is revealing to me. That will prob lead to Hand committing before his senior season so he can enjoy it...and to US
you have such a dedicated coach as Hoke and such a special University, who wouldn't want to go there?
do you title your posts like you do, and...
do you sleep at night?!?!
the hell are you talking about?
For some reason, I actually pictured your somewhat creepy profile picture asking me those questions. And I find it easy to title my posts the beginning of what I had to say so I can just hit the tab button and resume what I was saying.
Larry Foote is creepy?
You didn't do it this time!
Love me some hoke, lets win some decent road games first...
With a draw called on 3rd and long, how can't we?
Can't we? ?
what aspect of Coach Hoke and his staff's efforts are do you think is attributing to [building something special]?
Hoke: "What we're trying to do here is help make these kids better men, better husbands and better fathers."
It's really that simple. Hoke and staff signal with complete sincerity that Michigan is about hard work, accountability, honesty and integrity.
Every young man craves that. That's how young men are wired.
This society offers precious little of that to young men today. Quite the opposite, actually.
Hoke is building a program quite unlike most in college football. Winning helps, certainly ... but it's more than just the prospect of winning football games that is drawing these young men to Hoke and to Michigan.
To piggyback off of your excellent comment, I'd add that Hoke (and I'm sure his staff as well) is a perfect fit for Michigan in particular. The school's identity is in many ways tied to tradition/values/character from the coaches and teams that have long come before. Hoke embodies the best of what Michigan tries to produce in educating and training our next generation's leaders, and kids see the connection.
It's hard to think, in retrospect, of a better fit for this program and university.
All of this is true, which is why I still find it hard to believe how many people around here (myself included) were against his hiring.
The primary concern has pretty much always been about the offensive system that would be put into place under Hoke, and abou tthe viability of MAN BAWL on a national scale.
That said there were some people concerned that Hoke wasn't a "sexy" enough hire and wouldn't be able to recruit on an elite level, but clearly that wasn't a justified concern.
...but you avatar is even better. Buck Turgidson! "I'm not saying we won't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed tops. Depending on the breaks."
I remember some people here livid when Hoke was hired saying he can't recruit.
I wonder how they feel today.
This class is gonna be one for the ages. Hell, if what I hear about Peppers knowing Hand is true, Michigan could be the first team ever to land #1 and #2 overall players.
A lot of people weren't happy about the hire (or at least were highly skeptical), at the time. But Hoke has killed it from his introductory press conference. Hindsight is always 20-20.
there was a lot to be skeptical about, at sdsu he ran a 3-3-5 (we all had enough with that) He had a average record coaching. The best thing he did was bring in a great group of assistants.
Don't forget that SDSU was a dumpster fire of a program before Hoke made it into a respectable one. They have also sent a solid amount of guys to the NFL (particulalrly for a mid-major school) over the last few years. That's both a testament to Hoke's coaching ability and eye for talent.
I was most impressed with the speed at which he turned SDSU around. He took them from 2-10 before he got there to 4-8 in his first season and 9-4 in his second. True his overall record was around .500 but that is a really fasy turnaround at a mid-major. They have sustained success after he left, so he really did bring in some talent.
But you didn't look close enough... Hoke killed it at Ball St and SDSU...
Don't you remember seeing both programs in the top 20, especially Ball Fricking sT.... and saying to yourself.... wtf???? Well I did... that was acheivement in itself....
on the surface, you'd be right... but looking closer, and...sorry...
had this Hoke guy do the Top Ten after he turned Ball State around (I think it was after they won their first conference championship). Nos. 6 and 3 are worth noting.
In his sixth year at Ball State, he took a 12th ranked (nationally) Ball State team to the MAC championship against a Turner Gil-coached 7-5 Buffalo team, and Ball State lost by 18. Ball State's last conference championship was in 1996 under Bill Lynch (later of Indiana).
They didn't have the full intro in the video, and all that you hear Letterman say is "the nationally ranked" Ball State team. Hence my doubting myself and saying "I think..." Was it the first time they were nationally ranked?
Yep Hoke was great in hindsight, but Brandon's decision to finally pay good salaries for coordinators tipped us over the edge. No way the past two years (on the field and recruiting) shine so bright without Mattison.
After Carr's last few years (minus 06) and Rich Rod, it seemed like an underwhelming hire. The first press conference sold me though. My God, that was a brilliant press conference! Everything since has kept me sold.
Hoke loves Michigan. He loves the kids. He wants to win. He doesn't make excuses. He doesn't punt every time he has a 4th and inches with the lead. He isn't flashy, but I bet he commands a living room when he recruits. AND, he seems to do all of this while remaining humble. Hoke is the threat, Coach Dantonio...Hoke is the threat!
Finally, he's a defensive-minded coach. I only like high scoring games when it's Michigan winning 56-7. I am part of a possibly dying breed that loves a 9-7 game, as long as it's because of great defenses and not incompetent offenses.
Super psyched about Hoke's recruiting. Go Blue!
I'm with you on the affinity for low scoring games. In baseball, I'd much rather watch a 3-2 game than a 9-8 game. 3R HRs should win a game for you, right? 85 yard TD drives should be significant!
... and turned around when he hired Greg Mattison as his defense coach.
That told me three things:
1. He was confident in himself. You don't hire one of the great D-coaches of your era if you're insecure about what might happen.
2. He recognized talent and could build relationships with that talent. You don't get that guy to leave the NFL without knowing exactly what he wants that you can give him, and the NFL can't.
3. Most important, he knew how to delegate. You don't hire Mattison to second-guess him - you hire him and turn him loose, and Mattison doesn't come here if he thinks he's getting micro-managed.
Those are three important criteria for any manager or coach, and having it demonstrated so convincingly helped alleviate my doubts.
Not to mention Hoke worked under Mattison before, but yet Mattison was willing to work under Hoke now. That says a lot about how Mattison feels about and respects Hoke from the time they spent working together in the past.
Yeah I'm not trying to be that guy, but let's just win some games first and worry about everything else later. Last years 8-5 season reminded a lot of that old Carr I used to have.
Denard was injured for a good part of the season (although Nebraska might have been a win if Devin was ready).
Football is still a game that is won and lost in the trenches, and Hoke's D-line and O-line recruiting has been amazing.
And Alabama was the only game where we didn't keep it close
I'm not sure what Hoke is doing or saying but I think once the recruits compare him to other coaches they can tell the other coaches are full of shit.
By "the other coaches", do you mean Urbie of Columbus CC?
Honestly if hoke can coach as well as he is recruiting wr gonna be awesome. Remember his best recruiting classes wr '12 n '13. That means they'll be freshman and sophomore this season. be patient the way the '14 recruiting class is shapin up 2014 n beyond r gonna b fun seasons!
He simply said that 1) he is a great guy 2) he's genuine 3) loves his players and (I'm quoting the trainer) 4) "He's the funniest motherfucker you ever met"
He's honest, relatively old-school, and aggressive when it comes to in-game strategy (goes for it on 4th and manageable, defensive calls to end the '12 NW game). He's obviously recruiting well. He understands how important it is to win rivalry games.
Right, because we as fans must pump the breaks. It doesn't matter what we as a fanbase thinks. By the way, Hoke won 11 games in his first year with RR's players. What more does he have to do or could he have done in his first two years.
..and won a BCS bowl.
But I think the more we have this elevated sort of "something special" talk (aka championships) in may, the easier it is to slip into "the world is ending, fire everyone!" when down at halftime vs northwestern.
If you look at how Hoke and Co. have done with RichRod's mostly ho-hum classes (including the almost complete uselessness of the 2010 class), I can't wait to see what he does with the 2012-2014 classes. We're gonna be goooood
People were writing the same thing when Michigan was 4-0 in 2009. Give it some time and see if they can start winning conference championships and competing for national title berths. If building something special is to reach the level of Bob Stoops' Oklahoma program, then we still have a long ways to go.
Don't think any realistic people ever thought the same thing in 2009. We were not recruiting any where near what we are now and that 2009 team still did not look nearly as good as any team under Hoke.
Oh yeah they were.
"Everyone here has paid their dues, and they were not in vain."
Brian Cook after Notre Dame 2009
Sure, Brian was and many others were excited but the point still stands that we never had the proof in both quality of play and recruiting back then in 09 that we do today.
As a UM fan I wasn't sure about Hoke's hiring, after his first press conference, I was ready to drive to Columbus from Las Vegas and do donuts on the turf at the shoe.
I run into fellow alumni here on occasion. Just noticed a M flag in my neighborhood the other day.
Good to be here during the winter!
That's a terrible comparison. We finished 2009 5-7 and at that point RR had never won more than 5 games. Hoke has already won 11 games and gone to a BCS Bowl and has signed 3 more 5 star recruits than RR ever did. Brady's worst recruiting class is still better than RR's best recruiting class. Also Brady Hoke's 8-5 record last year while disappointing was also better than any RR year and we played 4 top 10 teams on the road.
Very well said.
I think you might have been replying to me. My point was that something special is more than just recruiting well or winning a BCS game. Something special in college football (to me) is a sustained run of excellence like that of Bob Stoops at Oklahoma.
People will write and say hyperbolic things because they are interesting to read and to hear. The actual accomplishments are much more important than the words used to describe the period leading up to them.
I just think its flat out honesty with the kids, and they respond to it. They can tell he isn't spewing bullshit out of his mouth like some coaches would. Hoke obviously wears his heart on his sleeve.
At the same time, he's shown over and over that he's an aggressive coach. He might be a little old school at times, and you can tell he comes directly from Fort Schembechler Academy, but when it comes to in-game strategy, he's aggressive. Going for it on 4th and 1, fake punts in the Outback Bowl. Hoke does not play Lloydball. He plays to win.
All Hoke needs to show now is just that he has the ability to win road games at places not named Purdue or Illinois.
Back up... Hoke never coached with Bo...... Hoke is a pseudo-Moeller disciple....was hired by Moeller in the spring, and Moeller had that incident I think in the summer... and then Carr retained Hoke...... and I have feeling that Moeller guided Hoke all those years, in the background... Hoke is a Moeller guy, who, by the way, is a very underrated coach in our world.
he never said he coached with Bo. You're seeing what you want to see and disregarding the rest. Unless you know that Bo never had any influence on Hoke, you are drawing conclusions with little or no data.
The same proof request needs to be made to the OP
A coaching tree.
He said he came from the "Fort Schembechler Academy." If you don't think Mo and Lloyd were part of that, I don't know what to tell you. They still call it "Fort Schembechler" and Bo has been dead for years. But he was around the program when he was alive and certainly knew Hoke.
agree with winning road games but we haven't really had much opportunity when most of the road games were against teams that were really good. Iowa in 2011 was inexcusable and we'll never know how Nebraska last year would have ended up if Denard didn't get injured.
Nebraska was given an extremely lucky break when Denard went down. Their porous defense had the luxury of getting to play against a RS freshman who'd only seen garbage time and had no real game experience. That's the only reason their defense looked any good that night.
I have no doubt we would have won that game had Denard not been injured. Have to figure that our defense was on the field at least 80% of the game and we held their offense, which I'll admit isn't bad, to 23 points. There's not much someone can say that would convince me Nebraska is an all around good team, much less a great one. I think we can put a serious beating on them next year a la 2011. They have no defense, and the team in general completely falls apart in big road games.
The past two classes were mostly about locking down Midwest talent. This class has really been spread out across the country. Not sure if this was by design but clearly has worked very well.
Let's say that something special didn't happen under Hoke. Does it really matter if Michigan fans were saying that Michigan was going to be real good under Hoke in 2013 on mgoblog? It's a blog for a reason. No one wants to say that Jabrill Peppers, Ondre Pipkins, Kyle Kalis and Derrick Green could bust when every team has a few guys that do bust.
I'm a former manager for the football team. (back in 85). The athletic department puts on these football socials that you might have heard about. There are about 8 of them throughout the country. Every year (this was the third year). I live in the DC area and have been to all three that they have had. Every year Curt Mallory was here. Last year it was Mattison and Mallory, this year it was Hoke (and Laura) and Mallory.
I've met Brady several times at several different donor and former player functions. He would probably recognize me, but I doubt he would remember my name.
When I was getting ready to leave the social, he gave me a full hug. Seriously. I was stunned. I barley know him and he's hugging me? It was really different and in that momement I realized how important the former players (and managers!) were to him.
I believe this story is indicative of how he is with the recruits. He really bonds with them at a level, that probably no other top 20 coach does.
Very cool story. Shows how personable the guy is
Hoke is going to be a transformational figure for our program, I really believe that. He's going to have a Schembechlerian-level of influence on the program to the point where people quote his old sayings and put his slogans all over the stadium and in team meeting rooms, etc.
If you've ever seen the guy in person you know he's absolutely magnetic and completely controls the room. He's going to be around for a long time and I wouldn't be shocked if he was AD after he's done coaching.
to the point where people quote his old sayings and put his slogans all over the stadium and in team meeting rooms, etc.
Considering how much "This is Michigan fergodsakes" has already been firmly entrenched in Michigan lore, I daresay you're right...
I think Michigan people will hold "This is Michigan fergodsakes" at the same level as "The Team, The Team, The Team". Both quinntessential quotes about Michigan football
The most amazing thing about that quote is his absolute incredulity that anyone could think that Michigan wasn't the most elite of elite jobs. Like even thinking such a thing is just absolutely ridiculous. We are, without a doubt, football royalty, and we should play like it year in and year out.
Hoke really has brought the UM family together. During the late Carr and the RR eras people were complaining, looking for change, players were't always that supportive, etc.. But, Hoke re-connected us to our past and to Bo, reached out to the players he coached in the late 90's, told the fan base everything we wanted to hear like "Character wins in life and character wins on the football field", "We would have walked here", and "This is Michigan for God's sake". I can't recall a more empowering speech/Q&A as when he was announced as the head coach. I still go back and watch it from time to time becuase there are so many gems in there.
For someone to drop because "the is Michigan, ForGodSakes."....? +1
I think it helps that you can tell that Hoke truly believes what he is saying. You can tell that he absolutely loves Michigan. I can't say the same for most other coaches.
It just so happens that someone decided to do an analysis of this very phenomenon as it pertains to Brady Hoke (HERE) - it was done last year before the season, but I believe it definitely adds some detail to the transformation that we are seeing now. In summary, they discuss what they feel are four of the major aspects of the team culture which Brady Hoke has implmented at Michigan that contribute to the success.
For example, two of the more interesting items mentioned are enlisting the support of team leaders and creating team rituals.
Hoke understands how important it is for the seniors and other leaders on the team to aid in setting the expectations and displaying the team values, and by not only having recruits meet with his staff, but also the players, he gives recruits a great view of the Michigan culture and experience.
The ritual the article mentions is the "Beat Ohio!" shout, but it speaks to the goal of getting to the BTCG and now, more than likely, who the obstacle more often than not will be - the goals and expecations are very explicit. I have to think recruits really like to know exactly how Michigan will utilize their strengths and maximize their potential, but also how all that works back towards the aspirations of the program.
All in all, Hoke has created a culture of character and community that people simply want to be part of - in droves, from how things have gone to date. He's built the bridges back to the past and laid the foundations for a stellar future. The whole Michigan family seems to be working towards common goals, and it is hard to overstate how attractive that can be to people.
Any sustained success will be driven by recruiting. The coaching staff is certainly the primary driver of the recent recruiting success, but we should not discount the efforts of the recruits themselves. It seems like these kids have the tools and desire to connect with each other early in the process, which no doubt reinforces the family atmosphere that Hoke sells in living rooms throughout the midwest and across the country. As a casual observer of recruiting battles, I'm most impressed with what the kids do to reel in other commits.
Its due to the quality of character hoke is getting. Think back to dorsey which should make the pt more clear
It can't really be denied that later in the Carr years things had trailed off as far as recruiting hits, and overall domination on the field. After Carr there was need to rebuild a foundation that had started to crumble. Most notibly it was necessary to start to dominate again. We could see teams like Alabama, USC, OSU, and other big programs put together 10-12 wins for multiple years in a row and we were stuck below that. Michigan was not in the top tier and we needed to get there. We went out and hired Rodriguez who was a big name and had turned WVU into a very good team. He was the flashy coach that we could pin our hopes on so that we could reach the next level and dominate college football. Unfortunately it did not work out and after the end of the Carr years the ship started sinking faster. We missed a bowl game, lost a bunch of games, lost recruiting battles. Rodriguez was fired.
Where was the hope? We made an attempt to get to where we wanted to be and things blew up in our faces. We were not winning games. We were not recruiting as well as we should have been. Factions within the fanbase became very evident and very ugly. There was little to pin hope on.
One of the greatest things about sports is the comeback. We are reminded every year of the possibility of a resurgence whether it is a game (2004 MSU) or a season. There are reminders every year that there is always room for hope. It makes Cleveland Browns fans still fill up the stadium. This is where we are right now. We are in the midst of the comeback. The beginning is where we start to see success. We find a coach that can unite the factions. It gives us hope. We find a coach that wins 11 games in his first season. It puts us on the edge of our seats.
We say that something special is being built because there is that hope that we will come back and be on top of college football once again. Sure it is possible that we could flame out, but we like to lean on hope and not dispair. That's not exciting to think about. Fans like hope. Hoke seems like the perfect person for the job. He has the rare combination of coaching ability, persona, and a genuine love for everything Michigan. Why wouldn't we hope for something special to happen?
Hoke is awesome but let's not completely discount or forget that the recruiting boom coincided with our stadium renovations which were absolutely spectacular.
Think about how many times you've heard recruits say "The coaching staff is awesome" versus "Wow. Look at those luxury suites"
I would venture to guess it's like 100 to 0 right now
Hoke has a way about him that just radiates everything Michigan. He sets the tone, preaches tradition and the assistants close. Mattison and Borges have been around the NCAA block a few times (not to mention the NFL experience) and know college football as well as anyone. This staff is simply amazing. We're going to be a special program again.
He has recruited well in his short time. His coaching on the other hand doesn't make me jump up and down like a lot of people. I'm sure some person will say I'm an idiot for saying that and hopefully I read it and get a good chuckle.
He inherited a disaster. BCS game in year one. Highly competitive in every non Alabama game in year two. Now, we appear poised for Rose Bowl runs year in and year out from here on. To me, that is the hallmark of a good coach.
You can point to him not having a head set or some bad clock management, but that's a tiny sliver of what coaches do. So much coaching g goes on from Sunday to Saturday and January through August.
Dude is a good coach. Hell, Mattison says he wouldn't have left the NFL to coach for anyone else. Tells you something, no?
Mattison is a very legit coach. When I watch his defense play you can tell he is always on point and gets the most out of his players. Borges makes me sick to my stomach. I don't care about Hoke wearing a head set or anything. I know he is a players coach and I like him. I just don't see him as being a cut your heart out type of coach. He did not inherit a disaster at all. And I think he (because he is the head coach and has to oversee everything) blew a few games for us the last two seasons. But we haven't won but one national title in 60 some years. We have lived in mediocrity for long long time. I'm just not one of these M fans who wants a big ten title. I want the national title so it figures we would have hired him.
I think we probably have very different ideas of what constitutes a "disaster" vs what is "mediocre."
Good luck with the annual national championship expectations.
You sound like a fan of every SEC team except Vanderbilt.
I think recruits are also impressed by what Mattison was able to do with the spare parts RichRod left him on defense, and salivate at what the D will be like with a full cupboard.
My only concern is reverting back to the latter Carr years where we had dominating teams but our immobile QB (Henne) would get outplayed by the mobile Ohio QB (Smith) simply because Smith's legs would buy him the extra 2 seconds needed to find a wide open receiver and turn what Henne would make a 10 yard sack, into a 20 yard reception for a net 30.
That in and of itself defined what separated Ohio from us the last few Carr years, and we will see a similar trend with Borges' pro style statues going up against Urb's run option QBs.
Please God no. Anything but that. Hopefully Mattison is recruiting enough speed to do to Braxton and Urb's future gazelle QBs what Florida's D did to Troy Smith way back when.
To say so is over simplifying.
You can't really judge his coaching in only two years The only questionable call that he's made in his two years was to put DG at WR and Hoke is a high risk high reward type of guy who was banking on Denard not getting injured and Bellomy being ready. Sparty fans and Buckeye fans will point to him going 8-5 but we had a very tough schedule and had to rework our defensive line and deal with a DR ulnar nerve injury.
Alot of the 8-5 record can be attributed to less than stellar play by our O-line in year two. We couldn't move the ball effectively on the ground against above average defenses.
I want to win the national title too. I'm not satisfied with the big ten title but I haven't seen him blow any game besides the Nebraska game last year. The rest of them were just getting overmatched because the level of athlete we were left from RR was not as good as the opposition.
One day you'll realize that the Big Ten title is a big deal and not winning a national championship is not the end all be all. I used to think that same way when I was younger. I now realize what is important is having a great coaching staff that develops great human beings and if they win a national championship on the way, I'll be there celebrating my ass off. I was there in Atlanta for the title game and at the end I was proud of those players and the coaches despite the outcome.
Hoke did not blow the Nebraska game.
I couldn't be more proud of the coaches that Michigan has in football and basketball. These are the kind of men that have great character and are just great human beings. There might be other coaches out there that have a better records, but Michigan has great coaches that are just great people. I thank the Lord above for the men that we have representing the University of Michigan.
I like winning the big ten title but I don't understand why people are so fascinated with going to the rose Bowl now that we have a 4 team national playoff. The Rose bowl was the best out there when Bo was coach but now it no longer is the best for better or worse.
Is tradition worth nothing anymore?
Tradition is one reason why I love Michigan but would you rather go to the Rose Bowl or a playoff game?
But I wouldn't be disappointed by a season wherein we went to and won the Rose Bowl, like some here are saying they would.
still one of the highest if not the highest isn't it? I don't know anymore.
I like the rose Bowl but I'd rather shoot for the national championship and if we don't make it go to the Rose bowl. We now recruit on the same level as the LSUs and Bamas of the world. There's no reason why we can't make noise nationally in the playoff.
Apparently there are a lot of armchair social psychologists and organizational studies professionals on this board.
Lots of college coaches are personable. There are a lot of great universities out there. There are a lot of tremendous football schools out there.
Sometimes, the chips just fall your way. Is there truly any way for a fan of this football team to identify why a given outcome occurs for a particular situation?
Very good points. We are Michigan homers here by definition. I do get a kick out of the 'character' thing both in coaches and players as if only the kids we get have character and the ones we lose or go to other schools don't. This of course forgets the fact that we offer 100 kids to get 20 so obviously those 80 had character too. ;) And not every coach on earth at an opponent's school is a bad man who only thinks about dollars and "using" kids and discarding them.
Last I'd say the bar is low here due to recent anguish. Yes we got that very good record in year 1 but went to 8-5 last year (behind a very tough schedule) but in a way you had wished year 1 was 8-5 and last year was 11-2 with a BCS win. But all this was done with a scheme that was not his pure scheme with a QB that was not his type of QB with a talent level on interior of OL, WR, RB, and defense in general below par. Mattison has amazed me because the first time through with Michigan and ND he was a good assistant but not the second coming. what he did with RR's players the first year here was nothing short of a miracle. I cannot wait to see him with this 4 star talent at every position (with a 5 star sprinkled here and there).
As for the offense we don't know anything yet really. What happened in the 2nd half of OSU game really frustrated me and I hope it is not a precursor of things to come.
As for Hoke I think there are a litany of things. Having coached travel sports at the youth level I can tell you there is a lot of talent coaching "mid tier" programs who can elevate their teams above the talent level versus the guy coaching in the top tier programs that are showered with talent. But people only looking at records only see the record and not focus on the talent in relation to said record. You can have a far superior coach at a mid level team who through player development has added 1-2 extra wins in a season versus the guy loaded with talent at the top tier. The equivalent of that top tier program lviing on talent but not developing it right now is Texas at the CFB level. I would argue Michigan did that at times in the late stages of Carr's era - he almost always had top 5-10 recruiting classes but 9-3 teams a lot of the time. You'd see players who looked the same as juniors as seniors - i.e. weren't developing; and/or go to the NFL and blow up to be great and you wondered why didnt it happen when they were in college. So we hope Hoke is one of those guys - we shall see!
It IS a crapshoot but you can see what Urban did (whatever you think of him) at Utah, and Saban at MSU (some of their best years). Hoke did make Ball State and SDSU decent programs from the shambles they were in. So we hope Hoke is one of those guys who was able to take talent and make it into a better sum of its parts team. Now he has a brand name behind him so with those development skills that seemed to work at lesser schools he can start with a much higher base of talent at UM.
Further Hoke has charisma, has that "down home aww shucks" attitude, but he is geniune. Parents are drawn to genuine as are kids. But they are also drawn to results which is why the Saban's and Meyer's get top echelon kids and I think Mattison has really helped there on defense. Hoke also relates to the kids - he is old enough to have some old school but not so old he can't relate - same with Mattison who kids have described as a 25 year old attitude. Last he does focus on character which I think is the New England Patriots structure as well - they seem to be the blueprint for this. (But again it is annoying when we hold ourselves up as some school that only brings in saints and only has saints coaching- be real)
I am very excited by the recruiting classes but will hold off on making him "the next Bo" or even "next Lloyd" until I see a series of four or five 10+ win seasons and Michigan an annual top 5-10 program. Our last decade against Ohio is shameful - we need to get back to par there as well. Again I think people's bar has been dropped very low with the RR era. We have become content with top 20-25 due to everything say post 2002ish (2006 being the exception). With the combination of what they did with "above average but not great" talent in the past 2 years, if the coaching is on par with a much better talent base to work with we should be very happy campers over the next 4-5 years. To be something "special" a program like Michigan should be part of the four team playoff 3-4x every decade. And 10 wins needs to be a baseline, not something to 'celebrate'. This is Michigan fergodsakes.
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Regarding personable, or 'un-personable' coaches, it seems that Hoke and company have some magic 'sincerity' aura that they project when a prospect visits that clicks with the recruit in just the right way. On the other hand, I was reading some of the comments re Peppers recruitment on the free Bucknuts board and found a comment that fits with my imprssion of the great Urban at tOhio. Some are starting to question 'what is wrong?' that they can't seal the deal in Columbus. Example: "The only good thing about it is that he atleast went to a B1G school instead of any of the SEC schools and he will be taught how to lose at the very least 1 game a year. I would love to find out why he was such a heavy lean towards tOSU all the way until he visited c-bus. There is a trend that has been developing with kids who have shown a lot of interest but then completely change their mind after their visit. Someone is not doing something right because it should be the opposite outcome from a visit." I look at Urban Meyer and see an arrogant, pompous person (maybe unfairly, in my bias), but someone that I would have trouble trusting, unless I was an Ohio fan.
Or, maybe Peppers didn't think he would fit in because he doesn't have a big butt. But seriously, I do think Meyer is a good recruiter, but the media went so far overboard last year, raving about how he was a superstar recruiter. The equipment manager at schools like Florida and Ohio should be able to recruit a top ten team. I agree with your notion of trust, too. Meyer reminds me of a slick used car salesman who will say almost anything to seal the deal.
And by all accounts has strengthened those relationships with the coaches. HS coaches can have a significant impact on recruiting, and Hoke has made sure to let them know how much he values what they do. At the last state of Ohio HS football coaches annual meeting, Hoke brought his entire staff with him, which sends a pretty strong message. It helps when other coaches like Dantonio act like a colossal dickhead at HS coaching events in full view of the HS coaches and the attending media, which amplifies the contrast with Hoke.
I have one issue with Hoke. Fergodsakes eat healthier. Cut out processed foods. Cut out high sucrose foods. Cut out anything made with flour. Including pasta. Cut out rice and potatoes (or drastically reduce their intake). You will lose a pound a day. I want you around a long time, damn it.
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