LONG OVERDUE
A History of #1 Tailbacks (via touchthebanner)
I recall reading that scouts use level of competition when comparing running backs. Side by side video may give accurate comparison. Similarly, awesome MAC talent doesn't always pan out in the NFL.
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I think it's important to judge running backs by the guys he's juking, outrunning, trucking, etc. There are a lot of FBS athletes who could be outstanding high school running backs against poor/mediocre competition. You could toss Jake Ryan out there for a small school and I bet he would gain a lot of yards at running back, but that doesn't mean he could play running back at Michigan.
Offensive lines are at least 75% of the equation. Anybody we put at tailback got solid YPC in 97. A-train, Howard, Williams, even Floyd when he got a carry. There are only a few tailbacks that make an average line look great (Barry, AP, Payton). More times than not its an Oline making a halfback look great (Emmit, Shaun Alexander, any Broncos tailback in the Shannahan-era).
Olandis Gary belongs in the Hall of Fame!
Magnus,
I generally like your unbiased evaluations.
I've always liked Green (though I don't have any of your experience to evaluate talent) and I couldn't help but notice that you were consistantly unimpressed by Green and never hesitated to state it over the last year.
http://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2012/05/mini-scouting-report-derrick-...
http://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2012/08/scouting-report-derrick-green...
Your new post suggests he's the next Beenie Wells...though it's a comparison of top rivals RBs and not necessarily your own opinion. So what's changed? Were you wrong? Has he just shown that much more potential in his second year? Or do you still think he doesn't add much different from Smith?
...just one man's opinion.
I've mentioned elsewhere (in other threads) and on my commitment post that I think Green has improved significantly since his junior year. He got taken down WAY too easily in his junior year, and he also rarely broke big runs. He just got yards in chunks. That changed during his senior season, when he started to break more tackles and actually showed some breakaway ability. He was 268 lbs. as a freshman, and I think he's been getting in better and better shape since that time. Not only does he have additional experience, but I just think the "fat kid" in him has been whittled away.
As for the post that's linked at the top of this thread, it's more of a comparison to the other #1 rated backs. I was just trying to find the closest comparison within that short list of guys, and Wells seems to be the best fit.
No Heisman!
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Yeah, I guess I should have put an asterisk next to that one...
The talent is there. It's up to the coaches to mold these kids into Big 10 Champs!
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While the average there is 429 carries, 2,442 yards, and 22 TD...if you also take out the two who transferred (since, let's be honest, if Green transfers for some reason most of us won't care about his career numbers other than to grot our teeth) the numbers are even better. They go up to 500 carries, 2,893 yards, and 27 TD.
I think the comparisons to Beanie Wells are spot on. The two are closer in size out of high school than anyone else on that list. Wells had a one inch and eight pound advantage. The next closest in terms of size would be Stewart, who was 2 inches shorter but 4 lbs heavier.
Oddly enough, if you look at Stewart's career numbers and the new averages I posted, they are almost exactly the same.
Stewart - 516 carries, 2891 yds, 27 TD
New ave - 500 carries, 2893 yds, 27 TD
And there you have it.
If Green stays at Michigan for only three years, that would be about 964 yards per season. Depending on how quickly Toussaint recovers, Green could be a three-year starter. That 2,893-yard threshold shouldn't be too difficult to surpass *if* he gets a lot of playing time as a freshman.


Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams part deux? I'll take it.
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