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A History of #1 Tailbacks (via touchthebanner)

Magnus has a nice rundown of the #1 tailback recruits (as per rivals) since 2002. He concludes that Derrick Green is most likely to fit the Beanie Wells mold. I'll take that!

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:00 PM | Link or it didnt happen (Score:5 Normal)
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I don't care what anyone else says, Im waiting for Fred Jackson to give me his level headed take on Derrick Green

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:01 PM | click "nice rundown" in the (Score:2 Normal)
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click "nice rundown" in the OP

RIP my avatar, June 14, 1998 - October 26, 2012.

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:20 PM | Apparently it did happen (Score:5 Normal)
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Apparently it did happen then.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:07 PM | He is like a bulldozer, but (Score:5 Normal)
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He is like a bulldozer, but faster.

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:30 PM | Bigger than Brandon Jacobs. (Score:1)
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Bigger than Brandon Jacobs.

"Wasn't that Michigan drive just great.  That's like Patton riding into Berlin." ~Bob Ufer

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:34 PM | Stronger than Trent (Score:3 Normal)
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Stronger than Trent Richardson, faster than Denard, more shifty than Barry Sanders. There's your answer.

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January 27th, 2013 at 3:07 PM | Stronger than Trent (Score:3 Normal)
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Or was it stronger than Morgan Trent and faster than Dan O'Neil?

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January 27th, 2013 at 4:20 PM | Bo Jackson (Score:5 Funny)
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He's like Bo Jackson, but able to play more sports.

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:02 PM | IMO (Score:1)
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It's too hard to predict. Green is coming in with the #1 OL class in the country, how does that impact his success? What about having Hoke vs. another coach?

 

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:14 PM | I think since most UM linemen (Score:3 Normal)
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I think since most UM linemen redshirt, the OL class this year is less relevant this year and next than the upperclassmen and last year's OL recruits.

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:40 PM | OK, but before this class (Score:5 Normal)
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OK, but before this class happened, we were drooling over our 2012 OL haul, and a couple of the sites said it was the second best OL class behind only Stanford's (whose class was pretty ridiculous).  

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:35 PM | Too Soon... Garnett.. Too (Score:3 Normal)
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Too Soon... Garnett.. Too soon.

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It was cool and dewy.

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January 27th, 2013 at 4:46 PM | There's a Top Ten OL draft pick among the 2013 recruits (Score:0 Overrated)
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He's going to have a monster 2013.

Too bad he's a one-and-doner.

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January 27th, 2013 at 5:23 PM | Except 1 and done is (Score:3 Normal)
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Except 1 and done is impossible in college football (unless he took two years off after high school before starting)

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January 27th, 2013 at 10:22 PM | See (Score:0 Overrated)
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This Guy, who earlier this month announced that he will be playing for Michigan in the fall.

He'll be playing in the NFL in 2014, unless he decides to become a symphony conductor instead.

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January 27th, 2013 at 5:36 PM | FWIW, Derrick Green has (Score:1)
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FWIW, Derrick Green has stated that he promised his mother he'd get his degree and that academics were of utmost importance.  Too early to say for sure, but going on what  I know, we are truly blessed to have Green.  Looking forward to Michigan althletics for years to come. 

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:51 PM | It probably doesn't impact (Score:2)
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It probably doesn't impact his success for a couple of years. Hopefully, by the time those guys are starting, Green will be in his Jr. year. 

For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:14 PM | Too many variables (Score:1)
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For the most part, it seems to be a case of "hit or miss," with more of the #1 backs hitting than missing.  I think Beanie Wells is a very good comparison here.  If Green's skills translate fully to the college level, I think he could remind us of Chris Perry with an "extra step" of speed.

 

 

 

 

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:16 PM | Interesting (Score:4 Normal)
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I was surprised to see there isn't really a bust on that whole list.  I guess Scott is the closest, but he had a decent season at USF (2nd team all-Big East) before stupidly going pro early. 

Knock on wood and everything, but that list is pretty damn encouraging, especially if Green can share the load with Fitz, Smith, etc. over the next few years.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:23 PM | Smith (Score:2)
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He gone

"2nd and 5.  Here he goes again!"

"That's 6."

"They're not going to catch him!  Touchdown Michigan!"

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:25 PM | What are you talking about? (Score:1)
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What are you talking about?

Here's hoping for a bright future. This team does try hard and I will continue to support them.

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:30 PM | He (Score:2)
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He may be referring to Vincent and not Deveon

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:36 PM | Forgot about Deveon. Sorry (Score:5 Normal)
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Forgot about Deveon. Sorry about that. Both should be good behind this line we are building.

"2nd and 5.  Here he goes again!"

"That's 6."

"They're not going to catch him!  Touchdown Michigan!"

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:36 PM | I TOLD ALL OF YOU THAT PEOPLE (Score:5 Normal)
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I TOLD ALL OF YOU THAT PEOPLE KEEP FORGETTING ABOUT DEVEON AND ALL I RECEIVED WERE JEERS. SEE. THIS IS HAPPENING.

David Brandon propaganda

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January 27th, 2013 at 6:41 PM | You must have a rememberall (Score:2)
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You must have a rememberall or something. 

"I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."

 

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January 27th, 2013 at 3:38 PM | Bryce Brown (Score:2)
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I think he was a college bust, by anybody's definition. And if his fumble woes continue in the NFL, he likely won't last long there either.

"Look Valentine .... whiskey!"

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January 27th, 2013 at 4:20 PM | Bryce Brown single-handidly (Score:3 Normal)
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Bryce Brown single-handidly won 2 Fantasy Football games for me this year FWIW.

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:31 PM | I'd personally like a Trent (Score:1)
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I'd personally like a Trent Richardson mold, but since that man is a once in a generation combination of elite athleticism, great speed, and absolute brute, punishing strength, I'd take the fit of a Beanie Wells mold as well.

It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:45 PM | I think there's some truth to (Score:2 Normal)
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I think there's some truth to that. They only have so many scholarships and are still facing a minor scholarship reduction due to sanctions. Not that they didn't want him, but they got a big back last year (Dunn), and they don't need as many big backs as they used to. They also have a prototypical spread back committed (Elliot). They just had other needs that needed to be addressed. Kind of how we stopped recruiting Pocic. We definitely wanted him, but we took other guys we liked and then had other needs that needed to be addressed. Doesn't mean he was all of a sudden evaluated as a bad player, or that the coaches 'passed' on him.

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:37 PM | I know that most of them only (Score:1)
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I know that most of them only played three years, but I was surprised to see that Mike Hart matches up pretty darn well with these guys. Really, only Peterson and Bush would have passed Hart in their senior seasons unless a couple of the other guys went off. Just makes you really appreciate what he did even more as 3 star guy out of a small HS.

Hopefully Green reminds us all what it's like to have that great overall back. As much as I like the Beanie Wells comparison, is there a Michigan back he is similar to? A-Train, but fast? Perry, but plays all four years like Perry's senior year?

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:44 PM | A-Train was fast, so the (Score:3 Normal)
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A-Train was fast, so the comparison should probably just be "A-Train."  And we don't know how long it will take Green to produce in college, so predicting he'll have four years like Perry's senior season is going waaaay too far.   Perry was the Doak winner his senior year, so if Green has one year like Perry's senior year, I'll be thrilled.

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:59 PM | If you look at Anthony (Score:3 Normal)
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If you look at Anthony Thomas's numbers, I think you'll be surprised at the number of big plays he had.  He was big and he was no Chris Johnson, but he had pretty darn good speed.

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:07 PM | A-Train, you say???   Steve (Score:5 Normal)
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A-Train, you say???

 

Steve Lorenz ‏@TremendousUM

A-Train himself "@A_Train3235: @BrOoKyLn_boii27 welcome to Michigan, good luck man. #GoBlue"

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January 27th, 2013 at 4:52 PM | Regarding your picture (Score:2)
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I wish they would change it to "Get off my lawn!"

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:51 PM | Very nice rundown by Magnus.  (Score:3 Normal)
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Very nice rundown by Magnus.  And very encouraging.

Third generation Michigan alum

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January 27th, 2013 at 1:57 PM | Something with substance that (Score:5 Normal)
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Something with substance that isn't all opinion?? Ttb is movin on up.

Bears Beets Battlestar Galactica

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:00 PM | Thanks...? (Score:5 Normal)
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Thanks...?

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:03 PM | Has someone yet said (Score:3 Normal)
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That the jersey number 27 at Michigan is relatively short on recent memorable players: Brandon Harrison, vada Murray and current cass tech pipeline faucet Thomas wilcher.



Assuming he gets it.

2013 resolution - make it onto the 2014 favorite MGoPosters post, not ironically
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January 27th, 2013 at 5:07 PM | This guy was part of a somewhat important win (Score:2 Normal)
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January 27th, 2013 at 5:25 PM | Don Moorhead played (Score:2)
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Don Moorhead played lights-out in the '69 OSU game.  He did not just "manage" the game.  He had a TD pass at the goal line, a rarity in Bo's early days, called back on a penalty.  

 

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January 27th, 2013 at 7:19 PM | #27 Steve King (Score:1)
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King was a DB from '92-'96 which were some pretty talented defenses.

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:29 PM | Good Analysis... (Score:4 Normal)
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Very informative breakdown, and thanks for sharing this. 

I found it interesting that the averages calculated, if Green met that benchmark, would already put him in some decently rarified air in a few categories as it is. That gives me some reason to  be even more excited than I already was actually. Indeed, it really would not take much more in the way of average production - if Green hangs around all four years - to make him consistently Top 15 among Michigan RBs in each category. It comes out to about 18 more carries a year and only about 30 or so more yards with one extra TD per year and he's #15 for those categories potentially. It is very exciting to think about the possibilities here as other pieces of the offense fall into place as well. 

 

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:32 PM | I enjoyed (Score:1)
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Magnus' breackdown. It was MGoBlog Diary worthy. What I want to know is the following:

Magus, can you comment on his balance, vision, yac, making the first guy miss, breaking tackles?

What would you say he needs to add to his game to make him a complete running back?

 "Runnnn!!! get to da choppa"

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:49 PM | His balance has improved (Score:2)
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His balance has improved since his junior year, and I think he's learned to make people miss a little bit more.  There are times in his junior film where he just runs straight ahead into guys, when there are clearly alleys to run to avoid contact.  I think he's shifty enough to make defensive linemen miss, and he can make second-level defenders miss ENOUGH to break their tackles.  He won't leave people flailing at air, but he can force them into arm tackles that won't do much good against a guy who's so powerfully built.

I don't really know how good of a blocker Green is, since that type of thing isn't shown on film much.  He does need to get better at catching the ball out of the backfield.  I also think he needs to run more powerfully; sometimes he slows down for contact rather than lowering his shoulders and running through guys at full speed.  He doesn't break as many tackles as he should for someone his size, but he's still better than the vast majority of high school backs.

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January 27th, 2013 at 4:21 PM | Thanks (Score:1)
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Magnus I really appreciate your insight. and Great Blog by the way.

 "Runnnn!!! get to da choppa"

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January 27th, 2013 at 4:32 PM | You're welcome, and thanks. (Score:2)
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You're welcome, and thanks.

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January 27th, 2013 at 2:46 PM | Deveon Smith, you guys. (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm just as excited about Derrick Green as the next guy, but I don't think there is a meaningful talent gap between him and Deveon Smith.  I'm no high falutin' football tape analyzin' dude, but I have a really hard time comparing tape from the two backs and definitively concluding that Green is by far the better back, as most scouts have.  I know Green supposedly has another gear, but to me they both look like power backs that lack a little bit of extra oomf to outrun people in the secondary.  I really think both will see extended playing time, and it will be nice to be able to bring the thunder and then counter-balance that with... more, less tired thunder.  

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January 27th, 2013 at 3:18 PM | Looking at the highlight (Score:2)
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Looking at the highlight tapes for both of them, I would've believed that this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLMuUkyRz44 was Darrick Green, too. The tape that I see here seems to suggest that Smith is actually the slightly better lateral back, which is a valuable skill to have; Green doesn't seem to do much more than run straight ahead, through people using his incredible streangth (note: novice film study in the previous paragraph).

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Smith win the starting job over Green, or Green over Smith. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a season where the two of them rushed for a thousand yards each. Having two top-flight backs like this in our system is a huge boon, and should be a topic of great joy. Two guys who can work against each other to get better every year is hopefully just what the doctor ordered for some manball.

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January 27th, 2013 at 3:59 PM | Dang it nurse, I need 2 RBs (Score:1)
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Dang it nurse, I need 2 RBs of Manball. Stat!!

Doctor Wolverine

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January 27th, 2013 at 5:03 PM | Borges used a three-back formation this year (Score:2)
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I think Gorgeous can find a way to get them both on the field

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