Do you know for what?? Hoke just not talk to him or something??
Hint on Hakeem Flowers??
It's not looking like we are going to take a receiver in this class.
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I agree for 2011. But after Odoms, Hemingway, Stonum graduate I would like to have one Redshirt Fr. ready to back-up a Sr. Roundtree, RSo J. Robinson, and a Sr. Stokes (if he can start living up to his potential). And yes, I know that J. Jackson and Williamson are WRs (but assume they are No.5 guys in 2012) and RIcardo will be starting at TE by then. Then we lose ROundtree and Stokes in 2012.
I think we need 1 WR in this class. Lucien or Flowers. Not both.
Otherwise, we're looking at playing a true freshman in 2012 for the No. 4 or No. 5 spot.
Thanks for not studying Conway.
What the he'll is wrong with using true freshmen as you number four or five wr? Redshirting wide receivers is not really a necessary practice.
Personal preference, not official University of Michigan Football necessity.
And when did you crawl back from out of your Golden Gopher hole? I've dearly missed your obnoxious and antagonistic know-it-all posts. Welcome back.
Personal preference as to redshirting WRs, Having 1 WR in any class is not a dumb idea. To argue otherwise is just changing common sense opinion to adjust to the reality of the situation.
Last week everyone was excited/expecting Lucien and/or Flowers and saying "at least one", now, you have a few (not necessarily you) saying "we don't need any WRs in this class".
There are already three wide receivers in the class of 2014. Michigan has expended over fifteen percent of it's available scholarships to the wideouts, a position that takes up eight percent of the available starting spots you would expend scholarships on. Way too many wideouts on the roster.
Leave the insults off the board.
I don't get why everyone is freakin about not getting a WR in this class. We have 9 WR's and 7 slot receivers. We don't need more right now and with limited time we needed to focus on more pressing areas.
However, those too many receivers will be playing their last season this fall. I don't see how bringing in a quality receiver is a bad idea.
Technically,no. I actually talk like him in my normal voice.
I'm guessing you don't live within 500 feet of a church, library, or school.
lmao!!! I really just laughed out loud with that pic....great one +1
Makes you wonder if sometimes stringing out the schools backfires on these kids. If he wanted to go Blue he should have done it weeks ago when the offer was still good!
Bam! just like that out of here
Tells you something I'd he's ending up at that school. Doesn't sound like all the a-list schools came through.
Now we're all going to have to watch this kid turn into an awesome wide out while NOT wearing the Maize and Blue. I for one am disapointed.
If it makes you feel any better, I think he's just an average receiver. I don't think you're going to see him develop into a star at his chosen school.
Agreed. After pulling Lucien's offer, I would rather not take a receiver at all in this class. He was by far the best WR we were in on.
Who knows, he could be the next Cameron Colvin. He picked Oregon over UofM and never panned out. But he seemed like a huge loss at the time.
What about the 12 WRs we have on scholarship already? Can't they become awesome wideouts now that we are going to return to having an offense that does things like throw to wideouts downfield? I bet that will ease your pain.
The coaches have passed on a few good looking wideouts. It is extremely possible they are filling other positions they deem a bigger need, and aren't willing to use a scholarship just to fill it. Inevitably you always miss out on a few guys who turn out to be good.
I understand everyones "dissapointment" but how can everyone conclude that he is going to become an awesome wideout while the other 3 star wide outs from last year we are saying are awful. A week ago people wanted Lucien over Flowers and not everyone is like OMG FLOWERS IS AMAZING.
This will be a pig pickup for the ducks. I think he is perfect for their offense.
I agree. Oregon needs reliability on the outside so they can keep the ball moving. They make their big plays in the running game. I think he would fit just fine there...if he chooses Oregon.
He was supposed to be good friends with avery
He's not an idiot if the coaches don't want him here moron.
Agreed, why should he come if the coaches don't want him.
Far and away the dumbest post in this thread. Congrats.
I didn't realize that a team who had gone 15-22 over three seasons was a top program.
By the way, most recruiting services disagree with you on Rodriguez's recruiting skills.
A football team can never have enough receivers.
Signed Matt Millen
I guess it doesn't matter at this point, so I'll tell you what happened. From what I said yesterday, I had been talking to him throughout the day. He had tried to get in contact with Coach Hoke to talk to him for the past few days to a week, but didn't hear from him (this didn't just happen yesterday, it just ended yesterday).
The coaches told him that Hoke would call a few times, and he never did. Flowers' dad finally called yesterday and told them that he was officially decommitting, since he had previously considered himself a silent commit. The coaches said they were sorry, that they understood, and figured he would.
So you can figure out that they didn't want him in this class for whatever reason.
Thanks Tom. That is rough for the kid. I like Coach Hoke, but he should have called the kid or have someone else do it. Let the kid move on. I am guessing he sort of did that with Lucien with the position switch.
Maybe I am naive and this happens all the time in CFB, but sort of disappointed that he wasn't told earlier.
I don't think it was so much intentional as it was bad timing. Hoke has had a lot on his plate, so it's not something that I would think about too much. It's not behavior that I would expect to continue in the future, just an awkward situation where one staff wanted him and the other didn't.
Sam Webb said it right when he said every call that goes unanswered from a coach is intentional. Of couse he wasn’t talking about Flowers, but Auburn ignoring a certain recruit.
Intentional in the sense that they didn't want him, yes. Not intentional in the sense that they were trying to be jerks, or sleazy.
Even given the circumstances, this doesn't strike me as a particularly classy way to handle the kid.
Tough call for Hoke--he's got a ton on his plate.
I am glad Tom cleared it up and defended Coach Hoke. I just think you tell the kid, let him know where he stands. I didn't understand the Lucien move at first, but I thought Coach Hoke did it the right way. Tell the kid and let him explore his other possiblities.
Hoke may be a decent recruiter; but this post indicates that he completely sucks at being a considerate person. Let Flowers know you are no longer going to offer him; don't let him sit in the dark. It's a young kid for god sakes trying to make one of the more important decisions in his life on what college he should go to.
No return phone call huh ?.
That's the worst thing ever, when that special someone never calls you back!
Does he even have an offer from Oregon to commit too? According to Rivals he does not (no offer from LSU either).
I wish Hakeem the best of luck and hopes he ends up somewhere good. He wanted to come here but the situation changed.
With all the defensive back commits, BH may be thinking that he can convert one or more to WR in the future if needed. It would be easier to convince a DB to convert to WR than vice versa.
I thought Hemmningway got a med Redshirt as well and was only a RSoph last year? Am I worng on that? I thought next year he was going to be a RJr? Anyone?
Any big time WRs we are already targeting for 2012? I know Countess' teammate Stefan Diggs is a big time player -- will he be Offense or Defense?
Anyone else that we offered or are close to offering?
With all due respect, I don't care if Hoke did have a lot on his plate. He should have taken a few minutes out of his busy day, and at least had the common courtesy to call the kid. This is the same type of move that people get on Les Miles for.
You can try to defend Hoke... but he is the one that is always talking about, "Doing things the right way." It doesn't matter how you spin it, "This isn't the right way."
The dude took over a Big Ten football program less than a month before National Signing Day, needed to hire an entire staff, and now has to jam a couple months' worth of official visits into about two weekends.
I wish he had had time to call Flowers and explain the deal, too, but you know what? A man has to prioritize.
I keep seeing everyone refer to Hemmingway as a Sr next year. I thought he got a medical redshirt two seasons ago and was only a RSoph last season, thus making him be a RJr. next year? Accurate or am I wrong?
His first season at Michigan was Lloyd Carr's last (2007). He probably should have redshirted that year rather than making 1 or 2 catches, but whatever. Then he got a medical redshirt in 2008, played in 2009 and 2010, and will be a redshirt senior here in 2011.
The last position we need more of is wide receiver. So you want Hoke to keep this kids offer just to be nice? He said he is going to make decisions in the best interest for Michigan. Bringing in Flowers when you could get more depth at needed positions is assanine
No. I think he wants a five minute phone call to be made, which seems quite reasonable.
I just don't like how the situation was handled, but whatever... it's not like my opinion matters. I wish the kid well.
I trust that the staff knows what they're doing and what they need. These guys seem like they're being pretty aggressive recruiting the guys they think they need so I trust them (at this point).