I listened to Herbstreit on ESPN Radio today on Mike and Mike. He was on for ten minutes, mainly talking about the big games of the weekend (Texas/WVU, USC/Georgia, ND/Miami, LSU/Florida). He then briefly said his two upsets of the weekend are Northwestern over PSU and Purdue over Michigan. He said Purdue was the best team in the Big Ten this year, and are now his pick to go to the Rose Bowl.
Herbstreit on Mike and Mike: Picks Purdue to win the Big Ten
The Big Ten's Rose Bowl chances don't look great even if you believe that Nebraska and Michigan haven't played up to their potential (and that one will get their act together). Purdue facing Stanford or USC would be brutal, and I'm not sure anyone would watch more than a quarter of Oregon/Purdue.
Edit: I guess the game would get plenty of viewers up in Eugene.
Purdue and Oregon played a home and home in 2008/09. At Purdue in 2008, Oregon won in multiple overtimes. At Oregon in 2009, Oregon won on the final play. Purdue didn't go to a bowl game either year, while Oregon in 2008 demolished OK State in the Holiday Bowl and won the Pac 10 and went to the Rose Bowl in 2009. There's no reason to think an Oregon / Purdue mathcup this year wouldn't be another excellent matchup since Purdue is significantly better this year.
I watched all of Oregon/Arizon, most of Purdue/ND and was flipping back and forth while Purdue played Marshall. I just don't think it looks close, at all. I'm not saying I'm an expert on either team (like I said, I've only seen those few games), just that Oregon's offense looks like it will score a lot of points against anyone, and their defense looks like it could be improved as well.
The Oregon offense didn't really start to take off both those years until the 4th/5th game. I don't think the results would have been the same later in the season. Purdue did play well in those games, I will give them that.
Have you watched Oregon at all since 2010? Purdue wouldn't last more than 1 quarter. That game would probably be more lopsided than Illinois vs. USC back in '08.
I think Stanford is hugely over rated. Oregon is by far the best team in that conference. USC is a good team who had a bad game against Stanford
Cocaine's a hell of a drug.
I'd like to think that Old Greg gave Robinson the funk. Hopefully the funk has worn off by now.
Someone just showed me that video on Monday. It's funny how things seem to be referenced a lot once you find out about them.
Least worst in the Big Ten may be the more accurate descriptor.
Herbstreit must not have watched the Purdue - Marshall game or read Ace's FFFF.
Still can't comprehend these divisional alignments. The Leaders has 3 championship-eligible teams (c'mon, IU doesn't count). The Legends has 6, including 3 of the best teams.
I know it's a rule that you need two have two divisions to have a conference championship game, but why don't they have all 12 teams in a single table style format, the top two going to the championship game?
twelve teams, two divisions, round robin within divisions. It sucks this season, but we're stuck with it at this point.
If it makes you feel better, Minnesota shouldn't count if IU doesn't, so it should really be 5-3.
It would make so much more sense to just dissolve the rule and have every conference go to a 12 or 14 team table. This would avoid the "but they didn't win the conference championship" argument because, what a novel idea, the best two teams would be playing the conference championship game (pending tiebreaker choices).
With the 8 game schedule, however, you'd get all kinds of ties between teams that hadn't played each other, or who had only played some of the teams they were tied with. Good luck developing a rational set of rules for who goes to the championship game. At least this system creates clear winners of the divisions, even if the divisions are horribly misaligned.
to two too
Really? Purdue? We'll crush them.
Really? Purdue? We'll crush them.
you love double posts
Really? Purdue? You'll crush them
In the BTCG.
We'll crush 'em - twice!
This actually might be true.
What number on Herb Street, Mr. Kirk?
This season hasn't been as good without her/him.
his last name is "Herbstreit".
That purd(haha)iction is comical. Purdue would be the fifth or sixth best team in the conference WITH their starting qb, but he tore his ACL. This pick makes no sense to me
A couple things...
1. By this point their offense must gameplan around a serious knee injury to a skill player each week. In fact the guy might play even with his injury.
2. Personally I agree with you about Purdue's standing in the conference, but... see next point!
2. The B10 is pretty down, and Purdue only has one decent eligible team in their division, if you think Wisconsin is even decent. I'd put their chances at reaching the conference title game at, shoot, 39.75%, maybe better than that. That's better odds than I'd give any of Michigan, Nebraska, or MSU for reaching the game from the "We aren't quite as bad as the other division" division - they are all lurking around 25%, and those could drop if Iowa shows a little more life. And you have to make the title game to play for the title. So I don't think Herbs is that out to lunch here.
After looking at their schedule and thinking about it a bit more I can actually understand where Herb is getting this from. The only two games left on their schedule that I see them losing are us and Wisconsin. After that their schedule looks pretty easy. That would put them at nine losses and depending on what Wisconsin does they could be in the championship game and anything can happen there. Purdue also payed @ Notre Dame and only lost 20-17, which is very interesting because if they manage to beat us or Wisconsin, Purdue could be a two loss team. Wonder when the last time that happened was.
is not an upset, PSU over NU would be.
Regardless, NU will roll.
Yahoo has Penn St -3; probably due to game being played in Happy Valley.
Penn State also rolled Illinois last week, but Illinois is just bad. This will be the first game since the Ohio game that Penn State's shaky secondary gets tested.
That's one of the worst predictions I've ever heard. Hope he backs it up on Gameday so I can watch him back track the next week. He'd probably pick Ohio if they were eligible. If Michigan loses on Saturday I'm moving to Bolivia and becoming a monk.
I have a feeling we're going to smack Purdue into bolivian this weekend!!
What exactly makes it such a terrible prediction?
If you take your homer glasses off, they looked WAY better against our one mutual opponent (ND), and had a close game against Marshall (which i'd put on par with our game against Air Force).
You may not like it, but Herbstreit is a neutral observer, and knows a hell of a lot more about college football than we do
We had the better completion percentage and YPA passing, more yards and more YPC rushing, more first downs, more total yards and more YPP.
We held ND's offense to less points, first downs, yards passing (by a factor of two), and forced more turnovers (two INT's for us, none for Purdue).
We lost by more points, and you can't discount six turnovers, but I'm not sure it's fair to say they played way better than we did. You could make an argument that we had the better game, to be honest.
Michigan will win the big ten. everyone wants to write michigan off because they lost 13-6 @ notre dame with six turnovers! State has no offense, wisconsin is a mess, and as long as taylor martinez is nebraskas quarterback they will always be an underdog IMO
I love Denard as much as the next guy, but this season I would trade him straight up for TMart Thus far
Martinez has been much better than DRob through the first 4/5 games.
foo! shut yo mouth! Blasphemy!
something something level of competition.
I still think Michigan will win the Big Ten. If they had scheduled a tomato can instead of Alabama, they would be 3-1. We could reframe the ND loss to a positive instead of a negative by saying that a top ten team had to get six turnovers to win by a touchdown and "ruin a possible undefeated season."
It's all perception, and I think the non-conference part of the schedule gave the coaching staff a great opportunity to fire this team up for the Big Ten portion of the schedule. Hoke and Co. will be able to play the "no respect" card for nearly every game the rest of the year.
It might not help, but it certainly can't hurt.
Herbstreit doesnt know what he's talking about.
I have never been and will be going with a group of fellow Michigan fans from Northern Kentucky.
I'll be making the trip to West Lafayette from Cincinnati. Going with a group of 5. Should be a good time. Go Blue!
Yup. Group of 4 from Indianapolis.
With wife and son. She likes this way better than Wife Day!
Yessir, going with some friends and family.
has been listening to Peggy too much.
Who cares what Herbstreit says !
lol herbie would never say michigan, his family got ran over once by the crazed fans of ohio already.
Ummm...guys, it's like, HIS prediction. Who gives a sh*t that us homer Michigan fans don't agree. I don't mean this in that it's a bad OP, more so, how about chatting about his prediction and why you think it's wrong. Not, Herbstriet is a loser because he thinks a decent Purdue might actually hang with and knock off a to-this-point mediocre Michigan team (at home, even).
Purdon't won't win the B1G. They are famous for mid-season swoons.
I see them losing the next 3 games in a row.
and beat Purdue. That simple. Play smart.
Naturally, the Journal And Courier was all over this - (link)
The exact quote apparently is as follows:
“I look at two upsets this week in the Big Ten,” Herbstreit said. “I think Northwestern goes on the road and is able to knock off Penn State and I think Purdue is able to knock off Michigan.”
As noted in the article, he also goes as far as to postulate a Northwestern-Purdue BTCG as a sign of things in the Big Ten. I suppose Kirk is trying to show that Nietzsche was right all along - "Battle not with Purdue, lest ye become Purdue, and if you stare long into the Hope Stache, the Hope Stache also gazes into you."
I think we have this one.
I'm sure that'll be a popular upset pick this week. We haven't exactly given anyone a reason to give us the benefit of the doubt this season.
four days: high.
Prediction, not even sure it would be an upset the way we performed on the road 2 weeks ago. The b1g has Denard somewhat figured out, he just needs to execute some things better and fitz or Thomas need to get going to help Denard. The receivers need to play better too, if this all happens I think we win Saturday by a TD.
Purdue's regular season basically hinges on their game against Wisconsin, which is a home game for them. They have gimmes against Indiana and Illinois, and then, if they beat Wisconsin, they just need to pick up one win amongst the rest of their soft schedule (PSU, @Iowa, and @Minnesota are most winnable) to get to the magic 4-4 conference record. With that Wisconsin tiebreaker in hand, this will put them in the B1GCG as Wisconsin isn't winning more than 4 conference games- even after conceding Indiana and Illinois, they would need three wins from OSU, MSU, Minnesota, and @PSU.
So I'd say Purdue is the absolute safest bet of anyone to make the B1GCG at the moment. And none of the teams in the Ledge-Ends division appear to be much better than them.
Good thing I picked purdue I championship game back in July.
Some of you think that Purdue is as good as Oregon. That's bat shit crazy! Michigan will beat Purdue relatively easy in my opinion. I find it funny how all these national football analyst are writing Michigan off, but at the same time crowning Notre Dame as A top 10 type of team. Michigan only punted once all game against that so called elite defense. Michigan was the better team, but as we all know the better team doesn't always win.
Also turned it over 5 or 6 times, so for anybody to say we will win fairly easy when we really have only played about 4 decent quarters the whole season, seems to be a little stretch, especially on the road, wining easily on the road doesn't happen often.
Herbie and Spielman when they both put on their Scarlet colored glasses here on cbus sports radio, they see Michigan as about the third best team in the division. This prediction is no surprise.
What number on Herb Street Mr Kirk?
With the way Wisconsin has turned it around and played in Lincoln I'd think they can edge Purdue for their division now. MIchigan over Wisconsin in Indy.
Wisconsin had two drives the entire game when they did anything, and one of those was when Nebraska's secondary just lost track of Abbredaris. Other than that, they got two very short fields of 20 and 10 yards after turnovers, and a whole lot of nothing. 8 of their 10 non-scoring drives were 5 plays or less, and the defense gave up 4 consecutive scoring drives when the game was in the balance in the late 3rd/early 4th quarter. They're still a mess.
is basing that on hope and fandom. There is nothing we've done yet this season on the field to warrant being convinced we're going to crush anybody in the Big Ten. We got earholed by Alabama, were spotty and unimpressive against AF, pounded a shitty UMass team that's just come up from FCS, and shot ourselves in the foot repeatedly against ND. Right now, we really don't know what this team can do yet. Maybe we'll run the table on our way to the conference championship, but unless we develop a running game beyond Denard, get our DL to be more consistently dominant, and get into positive territory on turnovers, it's going to be tough sledding to get to Indy.
No, we'll crush Purdue.
I really hope people who are predicting us to win the B1G title are correct but I guess I don't see where they are getting their optimism based on what we have seen so far...you pointed out everything that we need to improve in...I guess people are very optimistic or just wear their maize glasses constantly and will be looking for a coach to blame later in the year.
Wow, I see this made its way over to Mgoblog too.... I post an extensive reply on 11warriors and I wonder what you guys think. See below.
Purdue will make it to Indy if:
1. They beat Michigan- They will have a huge up on cross divisional games unlike Wisconsin. I see Wisconsin winning 1 of 3 while the Boilermakers go 2 and 1.
2. Purdue beats Wisconsin- I don't think this will happen but if it does, you can sign them off to Indy. Even if it doesn't, I don't think Wisconsin will have a better overall record for the tie breaker to even matter.
3. Purdue holds the upper hand in suspended teams- I've got Purdue beating PSU but not OSU and Wisconsin losing to both. If Wisconsin wins their last two games of the season then they will go to the title game.
On the other side who goes to Indy depens on the following
1. How does teams like UM and Neb does against OSU- If all these teams lose to OSU then everything is fine but if one of these teams beats OSU, I've got them booked to go to the title game.
2. Can Northwestern knock off PSU- With a favorable cross division games against PSU, Purdue and Illinois can the Cardiac cats go 3-0
3. Will Iowa play the dark horse- I've got a good feeling that Iowa will prevent Michigan State from going, making this a three team race between Nebraska, Northwestern and Michigan
4. Can Northwestern do it again- If Northwestern beats Nebraska and #2 occurs I've got them going.....
5. Can Michigan win on the road- Michigan offense on the road is half of what it is at home. If Michigan loses on the road to Purdue, chances are they will lose a tiebreaker to Neb and might lose to OSU going 5-3 which is the worst case scenario.
6. Gophers- Can Kill get a signature win over a program this year and play spoiler. I doubt this will happen but anything is possible if Gray comes back. Shotell just isn't the QB they need to pull of an upset.
Say I'm crazy now but if everything falls according to plan; Michigan, NW and Neb will all be 5-3. Michigan beats NW who beats Neb who beats Michigan. With a 5-3 tie their seasons will all come down to a tie breaker and how they do against the other Ledgens. By some string of luck Northwestern goes on to play Purdue. This is just one crazy scenario but anything can happen.
The winner of the Purdue vs. Michigan game this weekend will go to Indy but don't be shocked that if Michigan wins this game that Michigan vs. Purdue will play again in Indy.
I'm not sure if that nickname was coined while I was at NU or before but enjoyed seeing the nickname on here. Also, NU, per our cheers we are NU, not NW.
In regard to UM offense at home as opposed to on the road, road opponents include two Top5 defenses. Home, not so much.
why Herbstreet is a herb.
Purdue is essentially competing against Wisky, Illinois and Indiana to get to the conference title game. At this point, I give Purdue the nod to get to the championship game. Then it's one game.
Don't forget, if Purdue does start winning and getting the inside track to the title game from that division, Herbie can say he was calling Purdue way back in September.
A double post, gosh - dang it !
I bet he changes his tone after this weekends butt woopin.
I can't remember the last time he picked Michigan. They're always on upset alert. Why is this even a story?
Has anyone really watched Denard this year ? Any team with a decent D (which Purdue has) should beat us. Until Denard proves that he can complete passes to our team, especially on the road, I'm not optimistic.
Because I care about what Kirk Herbstreit thinks.....
Purdue is an improved team,and could be a New Year's Day bowl team, but I'd take Michigan, Nebraska, and likely MSU over them in the BTCG every day of the week.
Besides, it doesn't really matter who wins the Big Ten. Whoever ends up going to Pasadena doesn't look like they'd last very long in the Rose Bowl. If Oregon ends up going to the Rose Bowl, the game will be over by the end of the first quarter.
Herbstriet has obviously forgotten how serious and academical Purdue's team is. The team we're seeing now has not hit mid-terms yet. It's all downhill after their Organic Chemistry & Diff EQ exams come back. They'll all panic and double down on study hours, leaving no time for watching film. It's the curse of being a serious school, and a burden which Purdue bravely shoulders alone in the B1G.
Herbie just wishes he would have played at Purdue. He'd probably look pretty good rocking the Hopestache
Never under estimate Purdue. There's a reason they're called the Spoilermakers.
And they have a really big drum.
Saturday, October 13 probably determines the Leaders division winner. Wisconsin at Purdue, 12pm (BTN). Honestly I still see Wisconsin pulling this one out. Purdue opens up B1G play with Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio in consecutive games. I can easily see 3 losses right off the bat.
I still remeber seconds before the pass to Roundtree to beat ND last year Herbstreit suggesting Michigan just run left, take a knee and kick for overtime. Not that I have been very fond of Coach Hoke's clock management in recent weeks, but there is a reason Herbie is in the booth and not coaching anywhere. That said, he does tend to be pretty neutral most of the time and after Michigan's "preseaon" as a whole, I wouldn't be picking them to win if you held my feet to the fire. He will change his prediction if Mich wins in WL this weekend.
Minny to beat Iowa this past weekend, Sooooooo I dunno