Tell it like it is.
Herbstreit: "I think it's an absolute joke"
It's starting to turn. Brewster, now Herbstreit.
Good. If factions in Ann Arbor and Detroit are going to stab Rodriguez in the back when they can, I have no problem with support from Minneapolis and Columbus. I've had enough with Rodriguez's name being smeared. No man deserves what he's had to endure the past 20 months.
60 points on Saturday.
hit the nail right on the head! enough said!
And the next shot in the turn comes from... East Lansing?
Dashiell Bennett slowly coming around on Deadspin:
First, let's back up a bit and look at the Free Press story again. There are basically two parts to it. The one that seems to be getting the most focus is the claim that Michigan players routinely spend more than 20 hours a week on football related activities during the season. This is not unique, nor is it a problem for the NCAA. Players can spend as much time as they want on football, provided that everything above and beyond the 20 hours is voluntary.
I wouldn't worry too much though, Ann Arbor, because the fantasy I imagine—the one where U of M gets the death penalty and college sports becomes a place of goodness and hope? That won't happen. At worst, you'll get a slap on the wrist, the team will start winning again and everyone will forget why they hated Rich Rod in the first place. Most of all, sports will not change, because it is fueled by competitive people who take every advantage they get, any time they can get it. The NCAA has no real interest in putting a stop to that. Maybe they shouldn't have one.
He also comments on the Freep completely ignoring the idea that some of the hours put in the the players don't count towards the 4 hour / 20 hour limits, but I was beginning to feel like I was copying and pasting the whole article.
Thank you Mr. Herbstreit, I admire your analysis of this situation.
Whoa! What happened? I just blacked out.
I started realizing that Herbie wasn't as bad as I initially thought after he was one of the few people in the media that wanted to see a Michigan/OSU rematch in the MNC.
He really does do a good job in supporting the Big10.
I have always liked Herbstreit and I feel like he is one of the few people affiliated with ESPN that will throw all judgements out the window and just tell it like it is. He is my favorite guy at ESPN, and I'm glad he still doesn't buy in to everything. At least somebody at ESPN knows what they are talking about. Thanks you Herbsteit.
I've never hated Herbstreit, just never really loved him. I don't know if it's the OSU thing or the Les Miles thing. I appreciate that he reps the Big Ten and his commentary is usually pretty good.
Maybe it's just that, while I like Lee Corso, ESPN's other college football analysts drive me nuts (May, Forde, Holtz) and I just lump him in. Either way, from now on I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and he gets:
I am going to get my tips frosted as an homage.
Is it me or does it seem like our 'enemies' are the only ones defending us? Meanwhile our 'friends' are the source of this insanity.
Seriously, though, Tim Brewster, Herby, and Carson Butler are three of the people I'd have expected to 'pile it on' so to speak. It's even more awkward considering they defend us while two prominent alumni cause all of this.
Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer... I guess.
Chris Spielman was defending us yesterday as well....
I am really surprised Mike Valenti didn't support us yesterday on the ticket.
the fact that he thinks there is merit to this story tells me I am right in thinking there is nothing to it. He is a clown.
There is a reason why I never listen to his show....
which is, uh, yesterday, since his show runs Monday-Friday. Still, I'm surprised how brazenly he has defended Michigan against a pretty severe onslaught of 'HURR DICKROD' callers. To be sure, he expressed disgust at having to defend you guys, but he's been kicking ass and taking names.
just my epinion that butler would not be in the NFL if not for Barwis; and he realizes this.
EDIT: I'm retarded, since I apparently didn't see your line just above. Fail.
Musically, if you post the same thing twice, it would be a "repeat." If you post it three times, it qualifies as a "vamp."
Yeah who would've thought?
EDIT: There was a repeat post so I changed le post
I used to hate Herbie. Absolutely hate him for no real reason. Seems like he may be a bit more reasonable than I thought. It should also help the perception in the media that he's saying these things because 1) he's one of the most recognizable college football analysts/announcers out there right now and 2) he's partial to OSU, so he's not going to go out on a limb unless he actually believes it.
Herbie's never really bothered me. Maybe it's because he's seems so much more reasonable/sane than Corso and is not a complete homer but tries to give an honest analysis.
Of course, I was in school at the same time as Herbstreit and he never beat Michigan.
I partially disagree. I don't think he has an OSU bias. At times it may seem that way, but when he's on ESPN, i don't see much bias at all. He even had our back after the OSU/Florida/Michigan Title game dispute.
By "partial to OSU" I didn't mean that he was an unapologetic homer. I just meant that people know he played at OSU, so this carries a little bit more weight. Like I said, I don't know why I hated him, but from now on I shall take him for what he is: a level-headed graduate of the worst school on earth, and a good newscaster.
like I should hate him since I have seen him on TV, but I never did. I have always felt like he was level headed and reasonable about everything. He's a class act at ESPN.
Word is commentary out of Columbus will be coming soon - complete with a video from Kurt Coleman on what a typical week of practice and football related activities is for him, a senior captain.
+10 for Herbstreit.
To be honest, Herbie is rather fair and balanced when talking on a national stage. When he is on his radio show in that city to the south he is a OSU SOB.
He will say it again on Saturday at 10:02AM right after "Yeah we're comin' to yo' citay" because that will undoubtedly be the first thing they talk about.
I have always like Herby, personally. Maybe I'm the only M fan who does (and I'm probably about to get like 50 negs) but for a former Buckeye who got beaten down by Michigan, I beleve he is relatively fair.
Didn't you hear? "Yeah we're comin' to yo' citay" is being replaced by a Kenny Chesney song. Just thought you should know so you can be prepared with earplugs.
I never got tired of the B&R song! I guess because of what it always meant - the start of a football saturday! What a load of crock!
THIS, is the music to go along with a football Saturday.
I'd be ok with that if they start playing college football on a wooden court with a round orange ball. And call it basketball.
If you like your weekly dose of SEC bias, Tebow-worshipping, and the always-wrong Gary Danielson (the spread is dead?).
I hate that song so much...
for "me too" Brutus, but I'm with you. I've always thought K.H. did a pretty decent job. He knows the game, and while his analysis may not be always dead on (whose is?), I think it's pretty objective for the most part.
About 25 posts as of my reading, and no obligatory "Boom Herb-streeted!" ... hmmn ... I have yet to read the Brewster thread. I hope my faith will be restored over there.
Also, lest someone call me a traitor, I'll say this: Herbie's hair bugs me. There's the venom.
I've thought for several years now that Herbie actually has a surprising ability to be honest and impartial.
I live in Columbus now, surrounded by OSU fans, and I think I may appreciate him more than most of the OSU fans who are fans of his simply because of his past.
I truly feel he has tried to be fair and unbiased in the past and this is a perfect example.
If there is ever a Buckeye who will get my praise, it will be him for realizing that standing up for what you believe in is bigger than Ohio State vs Michigan. Classy move.
This is going to be difficult, but ...*gulp*... here goes.
Kirk Herbstreit is one of the best at what he does, minus his Les Miles Gaffe. I enjoy his analysis, and I think he does a great job.
There. I said it.
doesn't really count, because he's not a reporter, he's an analyst. So technically that does not ding his job performance. His reporting the news was kind of like a columnist doing an expose on a team that he is supposed to be opinionated about, not that that would ever happen around here.
I've always liked that Herbstreit fella.
Anyone else see a trend developing? Ex-players (in the media or otherwise) - particularly those with significant playing time - are pretty quick to dismiss this. Fascinating.
First Herbie, the Vest is next.
When Herbie proselytized the team I nearly choked on my cigarette because I was just so faklempt.
The Dispatch has been pretty quiet about this whole deal. One, short wire article on the second page Sunday, no mention yesterday. Normally this would be front page news (front page, front page). When the Dispatch passes on the story and Kirk Herbstreit defends a Michigan program, you know the story is garbage. This has turned much quicker than I'd thought it would - continue Freep boycott, enjoy more unexpected defenders to come, and look forward to a Michigan victory this Saturday. Business as usual???
Other than that I'm pretty ambivalent, aside from the Miles debacle.
Wake me up when Dantonio defends us.
Well, I was wrong about Herbstreit and glad to be so. This proves that a mainstream media figure can indeed be sensitive to accusations of having an agenda. Are you paying attention, Mssrs. Rosenberg and Snyder?
When he is on ESPN I have found him to be very fair towards Michigan. I do not hate Herbie, but I can not say that I am a fan, but I do respect him and his work on ESPN
Sympathizing and/or (dare I say) respecting Kirk Herbstreit goes against my programming.... Press F1 to continue....
I have always hated the fact that I like Herbstreit as an analyst because I am very anti-osu in everything, but I could never bring myself to dislike this guy (despite the whole Les thing) b/c he never seemed bias and will generally asses the talent of every program reasonably unlike most analyst who seem to be so bandwagon driven. But anyway way to go Herb I will continue to set aside my differences with you.
Herbstreit has consistently divorced his OSU ties when speaking about other schools, even hated rivals, and for that I give him credit. Especially when compared to Homer Domer Holtz, he provides rational discussion points and, outside of the LSU fiasco, has given UM a fair shake most of the time.
My guess is that he is a little annoyed by all of this grandstanding because, as a former player, he too had to do more than the NCAA limit to compete.
Herbie does a good job FOR ESPN. Just don't listen to the local Columbus stuff he does.
I too have never disliked Herbie. I think the only time I had a bad feeling towards him was the whole Les Miles debacle but other than that I have always felt he was the most fair and unbiased College football analyst that ESPN has. I was happy to see him start doing the Saturday night broadcasts I just wish it wasn't with Musberger.
I have always thought that Herbie was one of the best if not the best network analyst on t.v. today. I was waiting, hoping, to hear from him yesterday, but apparently they wanted to put a negative spin on it. How else do you explain how their #1 analyst to report on the biggest college football story in a while (based on coverage not on validity). My guess is they knew Herbie's opinion and didn't want to ruin their near unanimous negative press.
When will a real sports network appear that can actually challenge this joke of a "sports" network. I am so tired of the Brett Favre, Barry Bonds, T.O., Kobe... overkill on a network that is supposed to cover sports not select players that get 24/7 coverage instead of breaking down games and giving real analysis. I used to love the Edge NFL breakdown show, where they would break down game tape and show you what teams would do for the upcoming games. But that got cancelled for what? I am sure the Barry Bonds show or maybe even worse soccer.
I have really liked him ever since 1997. He was on the U of M bandwagon from the start and picked us to win every game, including against OSU, all the way to a national championship. I feel like he has always tried to be unbiased and is right when making predictions far more than most analysts (Les Miles not withstanding)
Herbie is two different people. On ESPN, he is fairly even-handed and does a pretty good job. On local radio in Columbus, he is a Buckeye loyalist. I guess he's just playing to his audience . . . nothing wrong with that.
Where he said it all seemed like a witch hunt. That's a very accurate way of describing the "article."
herbstreit is a big ten apologist, mainly. and there aren't many of those right now, so i'll take it.
now if we could just get maurice clarett to come out in support of RR...
Not second guessing per se, but it's really in the best interest of EVERYONE in the Big11 to see Michigan succeed. Without us returning to prominence, OSU, MSU, PSU, everyone, they're own programs will be hurt. They need us to do well, quickly, b/c the BigTen's rep is down, OSU needs a real rival again (which I hope we can become this year), MSU needs a big brother, and PSU needs someone to beat them 10 out of every 11 years or so. Tressel, Herbie, Brewster, they may all think this is hogwash, and it is, but the only reason they're really talking is b/c they realize they need us.
I listened to Rosendouche being interviewed on 97.1 Columbus yesterday on their website...and Hooley, the host stated that he was "good friends with Rosendouche" so I knew that they would be softballing him with easy questions...
but the first question from Herbstreit was "Why do that to 2 freshmen that didnt know they were being interviewed for your article, dont you see anything wrong with that?"
Rosendouche was a bit stunned at Herbs bluntness and he searched for an answer and finally blurted "we talked about that for hours with our editor and finally decided to run it...blabh bhabhalb"
After that it was all softballs, but it was a beautiful moment because Rosendouche didnt expect it and they didnt kiss his ass for once on radio.
I mean when Herbstreit has got your back... and Carson Butler has got your back... I mean, what else is there to say?
Now can the anti-Herbie paranoia due to his alma mater please come to an end already? This guy was saying that we deserved to be in the National Championship game in 2006 for crying out loud. If there is one way to label his bias, he's pro-Big 10. Right now, he seems biased in favor of reason. He's possibly the best guy on College Football Live.
Btw, a guy on Jim Rome was just saying that he believed that the guys ripping RR behind his back were Lloyd recruits.
I played backyard football with him. He went to my high school. He's loved OSU since he was a freshman in high school. He named his dog Woody for crying out loud. He is loyal to the Scarlet & Gray. I was one of the few loyal Michigan fans in the neighborhood. Kirk always had great respect for his rival Michigan.
Bo came to recruit him at my high school in 1988. Kirk later showed up at my varsity basketball game sporting a block M hat. I thought he was going to go to Michigan. That did not happen, of course, but it shows the respect he gives Michigan.
Herbstreit is a great analyst because he loves college football first. He knows all great rivalries are based on some level of mutual respect. Look, I HATE OSU, but I respect their program. It's how it goes where I'm from.
I've always liked him as far as OSU grads go.
by the amount and quality of people coming to Michigan's defense in the last few days. Respected journalists and enemies from that state down south and opposing coaches. I've been consumed by this story this week, almost certainly more than what is healthy, but you can really take note of who you can trust in the media and who is just a hack. Spartans, Free Press writers and ESPN cartoon characters are on the hack side of the line, and now guys like Herbie get a checkmark in my book. I'll remember this for a while.