"If the Michigan job opens up, Harbaugh will be the head coach in Ann Arbor"
Herbie just uttered this sentence during the Stanford v Arizona broadcast.
Knowing Herbie's penchant for being wrong about this subject, I'd say we're good to go with RR.
Talk about getting ahead of ourselves here...
This team just gave up 65 points. Great win and all, but let's not pretend everything is absolutely perfect.
Appreciate the sarcasm there and enjoy a drink with that extra hour you get tonight.
That anything Kirk says will incur the complete opposite in the shortest amount of time possible...
That was really awesome watching a Les Miles-led Michigan team beat Alabama today.
Les Miles doesn't coach at Michigan?
Some of the playcalling today made me think I was watching a Les Miles coached team... hey the ending of the game was Miles-esque as well.
And Tenuta dialed up some crazy blitz packages. Oh wait...
What he said was IF something happens, then THE MOST OBVIOUS AND LIKELY THING will occur as a result?
That's a big "if", but why would you bet against it? The Michigan job is a coveted position and Harbaugh, being a Michigan man, would no doubt be thrilled to have it.
I am really glad that Herbie is so informed of our coaching situation all the time.
He then said "That's my opinion....Let's be clear, my opinion." and then he chuckled with Brent like he knew what he just said was going to be a thing and a thing if were not qualified.
He's stating his opinion and his opinions are usually honest and presented without bias. The only thing I have against Herbstreit is his premature assertion that Miles was coming here. I don't see anything wrong with what he said.
He wasn't over presumptuous about the job being open. He simply stated Harbaugh would fill it if it happened. I don't have a problem with what he said.
this video could be backed up like 10 seconds. I want to know what these guys are laughing about, cause their laughs creep me out.
they are laughing at how bad tosu was that year....
My goodness, if for some reason this ever happens, it looks like we'll just jump into another East Side Story here with "Rich Rod Backers v. Harbaugh Supporters." When talking about the future of Jim Harbaugh at Stanford, that's a pretty valid point to bring up.
"if the Michigan job opens up...", what's wrong with that? I don't think that, given the circumstances, U of M fans would be AGAINST Jim Harbaugh being coach. I think it shows his respect for Harbaugh because he thinks that this guy is a good enough coach to coach at the best school in the history of the universe. I see nothing wrong with what he said.
For the same reason I'd be against Urban Meyer being the coach. He seems like a bit of a jerk, and I don't want to root for a team coached by a jerk.
I'll take a jerk if it means consistently beating (out-jerking, if you will) our rivals and contending once again in the B-10. To be clear, I said this exact thing when Rich came aboard, as well. He plays the soft, aw-shucks part well to the media, it seems, but I could definitely see him being somewhat of an A-hole.
Obviously, we want things done the right way, but someone, be it RIch or another coach, needs to bring a sense of confidence and cockiness (back) to Ann Arbor. We've been a soft program with a soft fanbase for awhile now. It's really time to amp things up.
It's looking like RIch has done enough to continue on to next season as our coach. Nothing would be better than to have this team work their tails off and come out with an impressive bowl performance to kick off the campaign for '11. Next year, the stakes will be higher, and we need to start beating top-tier big-ten teams. This offense returns basically all of its parts. Defensively, guys will have gotten a good bit of experience from this season. Add in T-Wolf, and there's reason to think we can contend.
Back to the topic at hand: I think many agree with Herbstreit's statement. The key word is "IF". there's nothing inflammatory there.
I'm not entirely convinced that Harbaugh rises to that level, but things like the "what's your deal" incident make me pretty hesitant.
Yeah, Har Who is a TRUE Michigan man -- trash your school just because you can!
Hang on a second. I get the "RichRod must go" crowd having a field day LAST Saturday night but for crying out loud we freaking WON today. Gerg is most likely dead man walking but I would be shocked if RR isn't back next year.
So how about that Mack Brown anyways? Things are going real smooth down in Texas this year. And a big howdy to you Brian Kelly - I trust your finding the Irish fans as supportive as always.
If Rich isn't completely off the hot seat now he will be after we beat Purdue next week. Find another coach to replace please - we're going to keep ours.
Everything's okay now that we beat Illinois in 3OT? That's just as ridiculous as the situation here this time last week where playing like we had played all year was the last straw all of the sudden, justifications be damned. To qualify, he should stay regardless really, too many indicators of success, and as he showed today and against Iowa last year, he's all about the players well-being. This isn't a fluent situation, it's his job and the programs future. The past two weeks didn't change much about this team relative to any others teams improvement, and they'll show they've been atleast (and most probably) a 7-5 team regardless next week.
Those are outnumbered by indicators of failure. Horrid defense all three years of his reign, special teams have gotton progressively worse, inability to beat MSU or PSU, an unusual amount of defectors from the progra, past recruiting class saw 6 kids fail to make it to campus...I'd say that there are a significant amount of indicators that would lead one to believe that he is going to fail here.
All RR has got right now is his offense. It is dynamic. But his defense and special teams are atrocious. There is little reason to believe that this staff will be able to repair the defense as it has not displayed the ability to field a competent defense the past three seasons.
"All RR has got right now is his offense."
Luckily for us, that's almost half of the game of football.
Yeah, because special teams usually takes up 20 minutes of game time.
You are complete wrong. The special teams play yesterday was atrocious and put the Illini defense in great field position all day. I'd say it's pretty damn important.
What football game have you seen where the special teams was on the field for a third of the game?
I don't disagree with any negative indicators you presented, and the reason his job is being discussed is because the pro-con list pretty much has two legs to stand on. I think there's enough room for positive growth to believe he'll succeed here, but it's close. You touched on the reason as to why the defense is so poor, recruiting/retainment. If you can find someone(s) to blame for that (now this is a redundant statement in this thread, what ever), go ahead and fire them. (or blame, if you believe it's retroactive).
with a change in D coordinator plus the fact that though our defense is going to be young again next year, it will be young with a year of game experience is a reason to believe the defense will be better next year. if we can hold all our opponents to less than 25 points, which isn't that spectacular, we will go 12-0
that you feel the need to engage in name calling.
There are certain facts out there that people will interpret differently. No need for name calling because you disagree with me.
Don't post things like this. He's making an argument for, and defending, his opinion.
Jim Harbaugh would do the pretty much the same thing at Michigan, only probably better because he would have shots to recruit better athletes he couldn't get qualified at Stanford.
If you like what you see tonight with the physicality and soundness in all 3 phases, then he is one heck of a choice.
Don't think there will be an opening at Michigan and not saying there should be either. Rich is building a very impressive offense that is heading towards devastating on a weekly basis.
Hard to say long term which direction would be better, but we're way past the mystery stage on all this. At Michigan, Harbaugh would very likely bring a bigger, faster, more athletic and skilled version of his Stanford teams given a couple years to run things his way.
The Rich Rodriguez end game here is more of a mystery. Let's face it.
RR has shown throughout his entire career that he knows offense. That is a known quantity. Defense? Whole different ballgame.
Jesus man, do you read this blog at all before commenting on it? Find the search box on the top right of the page, search for "the decimated defense" and read it. Look at some of the point totals that the 2007 defense gave up, and look at the lack of depth on defense going forward. That was what RR had to deal with coming in. Do you think he plays freshmen just for shits and giggles?
The defense is insanely young and has had a lot of injuries. Most impact defensive players return next year, in addition to getting Woolfolk back, and getting help from some redshirts and other young talent. Barring some insane progress in the next few games, Gerg may be gone, but with or without him the defense will improve simply by not having to play a ton of freshmen.
We all know that 2008 was a debacle, and last year we were not quite ready to compete with quality teams, but this year our offense is outstanding, and practically everybody returns next year. With even modest improvement on defense (which is likely from experience, if nothing else), we will be able to beat anybody. We are not going to cut our nose off to spite our face by firing RR. The sooner we can put the "fire RR" bullshit to bed the sooner we will be able to ramp up our recruiting back up to where it belongs and keep building for the future.
The fact is, however, there is some folks you just can't reach.
Agree totally. The fact that this constitutes as one of RR's biggest victories in almost 3 seasons only underscores how far expectations have dropped. How many home Big Ten wins does he have now? Isn't it two? How did he fare against the only above average teams he's faced this year? (MSU and Iowa) both losses. If we lose to WIsc. and OSU that will make us 0-4 against above-average teams. Brandon knows the value of defense. Michigan didn't bring in Rodriguez to simply match his old WVU teams, he was brought in to take Michigan to top 5 status. (and yes, gaining top 5 status while playing in the Big Ten is different that gaining it in the Big East) When you butt heads with the big boys, you better bring a nasty D to the table. This has always been true and it will continue to be true. RR may be a good guy, but when your coach is not really interested in defense, I doubt he ever takes Michigan to consistant prominence. That was the goal when Carr stepped down, remember?
"RR may be a good guy, but when your coach is not really interested in defense, I doubt he ever takes Michigan to consistant prominence."
I was going to reply, but this is such a monumentally idiotic statement, that I was rendered temporarily speechless. Like if RR just cared enough about defense, he could transform Kovacs into a 230 pound safety that runs a 4.4, and Avery and Talbott would magically be seniors.
"I was going to reply, but this is such a monumentally idiotic statement, that I was rendered temporarily speechless."
Yet unfortunately, the village idiot found a way to recover from his temporary speechlessness and responded anyway.
Last week, after 2 1/2+ seasons of awful defense, RR claims he is going to start getting a "little involved" in the defense, although it is "not really his thing". To me, that statement makes it appear he is not very interested in coaching defense. RR said it, not me, quasimoto.
He has THREE Big Ten home wins now, so you can run and tell that, homeboy!
If UM loss the next three games there is a very real possibility that he could be fired. I'd say iot would be 60-40 he stays, but no one knows how the people who really run the program--the boosters--feel.
David Brandon's job is owed to the wealthly alums. If they want RR gone, he's gone. That is how college athletics work.
I think what is likely to happen is that Brandon wil tell RR to fire the entire defensive coaching staff and hire a highly respected DC who will have complete control over the defense. If RR balks at that, Brandon fires him.
I like and feel for RR, but if he does not make drastic changes to his staff--meaning the termination of the ENTIRE defensive staff--than he should go. I sincerely hope he recognizes the problem is much more than Gerg and the 3-3-5.
Is there even a precident set for firing a coach after the season of their first bowl birth? I guess I can try and understand Nebraska''s "feeling wayyyy too entitled' alum base for the firing of Solich (In terms of not meeting expectations, not for the scenario here), but even that was ridiculous. This would be even crazier than that at this point.
And the problem does go much deeper than Greg and the 3-3-5, mainly that we don't have enough players ready to fill each tier of it. If you give Bobby Flay spoiled meat, it's still going to taste like shit when he's done cooking it. Kids have to grow up (and stay) before you can really grade Greg. Now if you have a good reason to fire someone over the current state of the depth chart, be our guest.
our defensive players arent spoiled, they are young. give bobby flay some veal and he can make a delicious masterpiece
And Denard really isn't as fast as a cheetah. Thanks for articulating the implied point.
And Denard really isn't as fast as a cheetah.
Your non sequitur is a non sequitur. Not only is Denard (figuratively) as fast as a cheetah, but our d-backs are as young (figuratively) as veal.
If you were to generate a function that takes player age as an argument and returns expected production, you wouldn't see a very high output when you input low numbers. The fact that Bobby Flay can take meat after the proper amount of time and make good food with it is irrelevant.
UM's defense has been terrible all three years RR has been here. And the makeup of the roster also falls to the coaching staff. Yes, there have been some untimely departures. One cannot dispute that. But those have hit mainly the secondary. The defense is atrocious at all levels.
UM has had bad luck and bad coaching which has lead to the abomination that is the Michigan defense. The soft mentality of the defense did not come about as the result of guys leaving, nor do the continuous missed assignments or bad tackling. You can coach players to be fundamentally sound.
As for removing a guy after he makes a bowl. Well, remember that this is Michigan. You know "Leaders and Best". Leaders and Best typically don't satisfy themselves with just barely making a third tier bowl in year three at a school with every resource needed to field a national title contending program.
Frankly, most Michigan fans do not appreciate the immense advantages that this school has. They think UM operates at the same level as say, MSU, when in fact, UM has MORE to work with. It is EASIER to win here than 99% of schools.
I sincerely hope RichRod works out, but this program needs some drastic changes if it is going to succeed.
third tier bowl? i think a 9-3 record is going to get us to a better bowl than the little caesars bowl
As for removing a guy after he makes a bowl. Well, remember that this is Michigan. You know "Leaders and Best". Leaders and Best typically don't satisfy themselves with just barely making a third tier bowl in year three at a school with every resource needed to field a national title contending program.
Its just a different way of saying "We're Michigan, this is unacceptable".
You can coach players to be fundamentally sound.
Don't you think this would have been easier if we had Dorsey, and a couple other DB's still here? If we had a defensive backfield, it makes it a lot easier for your front 7 doesn't it?
You can have the 11 greatest players on earth playing on defense and you still will not win if you do not tackle or play sound assignment football.Dorsey would make UM moe athletic, but that athleticism would be lost because of the crappy fundamentals.
You're right. It is Michigan and it is not acceptable. People mock that, but when you beat your chest about your greatness you better damn well live up to it. UM did not get to 850 wins by tolerating mediocrity. It may seem like cheesy bravado to you, ask any person who has belong to an elite organization and they'll tell you that this "never accept anything less than the best" ethos is big factor in establishing a tradition of excellence.
it is cheesy bravado to post on a board that "assignment football" is purely coaching...
Coaches can scheme (hell, GERG's two Superbowl rings can scheme) but players play. You can go on all day about fundamentals as you understand them but face it, they're sending out true freshmen (today 9 of them in the two deep) against experienced Big Ten offenses and competing. Winning today. Vinopal, Avery...these players showed character today and in a couple of years they will be winning Big Ten Championships and competing for National titles. They showed excellence in their character, they never quit...that's champions...that is Michigan.
I think everyone here gets your hate on RichRod but he's not going anywhere. Feel free to jump off the bandwagon.
Those who stay.
I understand who it falls on, hence why i referrenced firing someone. The defense is not atrocious at all levels, the secondary not being ready to play at this point kills everyone else, they're not independent components, they all really very heavily on each other. When you have to start running soft zones and pulling players out of the second level quicker because you have to back up your safeties, linebacker effectiveness diminishes, and when you can only rush three players to the passer, because more people need to compensate the seconary, the D Line won't produce much.
The soft mentality of this defense comes from guys who normally wouldn't be playing anyway or guys who are playing a year or two out of highschool. James Rogers isn't playing if Witty or Turner panned out, or even if Woolfolk was still here, he wasn't a guy the coaches expected to get on the field, and you see why on Saturdays. Obi Ezeh is out, and Demens is hitting people. Jibreel Black (before injury) was producing. Players are begining to pan out from the underclasses. And then the tenacious mentality of defense should begin to show itself when everyone out there feels comfortable.
I didn't know Roman Abramovich posted here, that's pretty awesome. (See: Chelsea FC and their handling of coaching)
Even in a down year, Michigan will always have a target on their back. Every team we play gets up for us. We're not in the 70's or 80's anymore. Parody in college football is all too common. Anyone can give anyone a game. There is little margin for error no matter who you play. Look at who the unbeaten teams are after today's games. These programs were cupcakes in the 70's, 80's.
Saying that we should win just because we are Michigan is fucking stupid. You know what? RR also probably came here thinking "hey, this is Michigan - just imagine all of the talent that I will have to work with." Then he got here, and the talent level of the team he inherited didn't even remotely resemble what you would expect from a Michigan team. He has had a lot of rebuilding to do, and people get their panties in a twist because the rebuilding process isn't instantaneous. This isn't Auburn, and we can't rely on free agency to improve. It takes time to rebuild depth through recruiting, and having people calling for his head all of the time makes that process even more difficult.
Easier to win at michigan than 99% of any other school? lol great point.. If it is so much easier to win, then why the hell couldn't we consistently win BCS games with carr? Carr won a NC with a different coaches players.. Bo didn't even win a NC, give it a rest.
Is there even a precedent set for firing a coach after the season of their first bowl birth?
I don't know, but until a few years ago, it wasn't even possible to make a bowl at 6-6, nor did wins over I-AA teams count for bowl eligibility. As the number of bowls has continued to increase, the NCAA has loosened the standards.
Hopefully we'll make all this moot by continuing to win.
Won't be an issue, man. We're going to be Purdue. We got this.
Anyway what matters most perhaps about getting to the bowl is the 3 weeks of extra practice that teams get. This team needs all the practice it can get (no NCAA violation reference).
>>Nebraska firing Solich
Also Minnesota firing Mason. How'd that work out?
Anyway... watching this game today I was in amazement at how good our offense is. Really. This was an Illinois defense that had just finished dominating wins over Indiana and Purdue and a closer than the score indicated loss to MSU; had one of the top defenses statistically in the country.
Next season the offense is going to be special. And by that I mean damn near unstoppable.
For that reason alone I think RR should be given another year. If the defense can just improve to somewhat respectable we'll roll over most everyone we play.
Brandon has stated the alums and boosters have no bearing on his decision. RR is here is here for 2 more years minimum. As Bobby Bowden and others have said any new coach should be given 5 years. Its only logical and Brandon clearly sees the logic. Go RR and GR.
Brandon reports to MSC and the Trustees. They in turn are the agents of influential alums. Therefore, Brandon HAS to be concerned with the opinions of the alums if he wants to keep his job.
You don't need 5 years to judge a coach. Bobby Bowden can say that---and I certainly cannot dismiss his opinion--but a bad fit can often be determined after a couple of years. Gerry Faust for one example.Bobby Williams is another. Bowden is also a coach, so his bias will always be in favor of a coach no matter how bad the guy is. Should Marty Morningweg or Rod Marinelli have been given 5 years?
Your eyes are brown. You're obviously a troll. U-M doesn't have "Trustees", MSU does. The University of Michigan has Regents. Now, go get a nice hot cup of Shut the F-ck Up.
shut the hell up already.. You sound like a dumbass
This is 100% silly speculation.
They are on your ballot when you go vote. Unless you think they accept envelopes from wealthy alums, whether they keep their jobs is up to the people, including non-wealthy alums, and non-alums, who are registered Michigan voters.
People forget that the revenue streams are so tied into media, marketing, product revenues that "booster" monies are far less influential than in past. Deals like Adidas, the sports marketing arm, media etc. give a guy like Brandon a lot more room and autonomy than he might have had twenty years ago.
D Brandon can thank one "Sailboat Willie" for that situation and say a prayer for Don Canham in that same regard.
WolverineEagle will you please stop making these absurd statements. I'm getting tired of wasting my MGoPoints negging you.
This isn't some SEC school in the '70's. 2.5% of the athletic department budget comes from donations. Almost all of it comes from ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, premium seating and media revenue. You can look it up --
Brandon reports to MSC and the Board of Regents. There's no Boss Hogg alum with enough influence on a $105M budget to "control" Brandon, and I think he would pimp slap someone who would suggest it.
We have the best offense this side of Oregon and it's only going to get better. The defense will improve (our two deep may actually be more greatly comprised of sophomores) and the DC situation will be sorted by our beloved leader (and pizza king) in the offseason.
Harbaugh is a good coach and it will be enjoyable to play against him in National Championship games in future years.
the most outrageous thing about that quote is that herbie assumed harbaugh would auto-accept the job
Was it said by an ABC commentator or MLive poster.
Denard is FIRED UP! I bet he would have made a great DB.
I had a dream last night that Denard got so mad at our defense, he went into the game against OSU and played DB. Let's see the dude from Auburn do that!!!! lol..
also looks like Denard wasn't feeling all that bad at that moment. here's hoping he recovers quickly from whatever hit he took today to make him feel dizzy.
Also I'm starting to really dislike Herbstreit.
Just made me go from 6 to 12 in no time, flat. Amazing picture. I can't wait until this graces my door on Monday!
In his defense... He did say "if"
and there was one of those "Just got back from Ann Arbor" posts. The poster said he was astonished at the "fire RR" crowd in his section, particularly after Illinois kicked the field goal towards the end of the first half. He basically said that he doesn't get it -- Michigan has an awesome offense, ranked 4th in the nation, that will probably move up higher in the ranks after this performance. He talked about how great DRob is and said the defense was bad, but they are very young. He didn't get it.
Neither do I.
I used to be a social worker. There are a lot of abused people in the world.
While the guy makes some good points, Illini football fans don't actually exist. Wait until Zook resumes his normal programming and sends the team into a firey burning losing spiral. Then we'll see where all these fucking Illini fans are.
Troll post below, please lower overall I.Q. before reading!
Because he does not follow Michigan. NCAA sanctions, horrid defense all three years(therefore mitigating the youth argument), terrible special teams, 0-3 vs Michigan State, 5-16 in Big Ten play..yeah, I cannot understand why anyone would want RR fired.(rolls eyes)
Illinois is 2-1 vs Michigan under RR. I can see why he would want RR back. Offense is just one third of the game. RR has failed in two-thirds of the game thus far in Ann Arbor.
You must really love punters and kickers to give special teams an equal share.
And unless you're just willfully ignorant, you must see that the odds of a defense this young getting worse in the next couple of seasons are very low. They may never be elite, but with this offense, they don't have to be.
Right! Special teams may be 1/3 of the phases of football, but it certainly isn't 1/3 of the game.
I would like to second the troll nomination.
Yeah no way he's not. Stuff he is spouting is absurd
Go Blue, Go RR
Yeah, whenever we want advice on how the Michigan AD should handle any situation, I always think the first thing we should do is listen to a former Buckeye QB who is now a color guy on college football broadcasts after being a starting QB for 1 year....(Dripping sarcsm inserted here...)
RR is our coach and that will not change next year. I didn't hear any fire RR talk today, but I heard some " Forcier you suck" crap. Both RR and Forcier wear there heart on the sleeve for this team and this is how the fans treat them. I think that pisses me off more the the play of the D. Support this fucking team and stop bitching, because what you say will have no effect on who the coach is next year.
If you can't see that this system is working your blind. The D can only get better as they get older. Our entire secondary is practically nothing but true freshman. I think the best image i seen today was the D going up to GERG and giving him a hug after the win.
In my mind, Rich Rod is fair game. He's highly paid, and getting "Ws" is his job. Tate and other players are a different story. These are kids who are playing their hearts out, sometimes against very long odds. For so-called "fans" to insult them makes my blood boil.
Didn't notice he said that, wasn't paying attention even though the game is on the TV right now. A blowout can do that.
I did notice that Herbstreit listed Stanford's record since Harbaugh took over, like a certain Big 10 team they were under .500 their first two years, 8-5 the year after, and the 4th year they are doing really well.
So who needs Harbaugh?
Right, but that 9-4 was largely achieved through offensive production. The defense gave up a ton of points (34, 39, 37,35) in a number of games in 2007, and there were already depth problems. Then we graduated/lost many of the key components of our offense going into 2008. If Lloyd stayed, 2008 was still going to be very rough (remember what our O-line looked like?). 9-4 doesn't begin to describe the state of the Michigan program at the end of 2007, Florida win notwithstanding.
Wow, talk about missing the point. In 2007 we depended heavily on an offense that had mostly departed by the time of RR's arrival. This year we are depending on an offense that returns nearly everybody next year. We have more reasons to be excited about a likely 7-5 (pre-bowl) finish to this season than we did after 2007's 9-4 season. That was a declining program, while this one is just taking off.
We also lost what 8 guys on our offensive to the NFL? Those 8 guys alone accounted for 95% of our offense
Please don't tell me Brent has started referring to Andrew Luck as Andy yet? As if he's known him since he was in the first grade.
You u really listen to what everyone says....fuck herbie he was an overrated bum of a QB anyway whos now leachin off musberger....Fuck Harbaugh too... Oregon killed him wit the same style of Offense we have..plan and simple, we dont need a new Head Coach we need a defense, and its gonna get better as soon as we fire G Rob......GO BLUE
I thought it was hilarious when Harbaugh gave Pete Carroll a taste of his own medicine.
Carroll engineered some pretty brutal beatdowns while at USC, and I don't recall a whole lot of mercy being doled out. Then, when Harbaugh's Stanford squad had a chance to really rub in a beatdown against the neighborhood bully, they took advantage and the bully whined.
I have no problem with Harbaugh telling Pete Carroll to check his vagina at the door.
I'm reminded of Bo's quote, something to the effect of: "There are a handful of teams you take any chance to beat badly, and Illinois [under Mike White] is three of those teams."
"There's no Boss Hogg alum with enough influence on a $105M budget to "control" Brandon, and I think he would pimp slap someone who would suggest it."
You know, that would be pretty amusing to watch.