I'll take it!
Hemingway To The...Lions?
Its Still September....give it a break
the poor guy.
He should be so lucky.
not sure how you discredit the bills 3-0 as "cute and scrappy"...
I bet you won't say that to Shawne Merriman and Nick Barnett's faces
Would this be the place to point out that the Lions have played one half-way decent team and two teams that are in the running for worst in the league? They look very good, but I'm still skeptical until they face an elite offense (which won't happen until ... Atlanta I guess).
The schedule really sets up for them to be, at worst 8-2. The last six weeks of the Lions schedule is rough, though. GB x2, @ NO, @Oakland, SD. Only Minny in there as a break.
The Vikings' oline is aging or couldn't stay below 400 pounds, their secondary is bad, and their choice at QB is between a guy who lost it three years ago and a rookie. They're fundamentally flawed this year, despite the talented pieces they have. They'll finish between 4-12 and 6-10.
And I'm not so much arguing about the Bills' talent as I'm saying let's throw the brakes on the Lions' bandwagon until we can see how they match up with an elite team. They have some very promising young talent and they got to spend last year figuring out how to win. They still have some very significant issues on the oline and in the secondary. Those issues won't kill them (the same way a supremely average oline hasn't hurt the Packers). The best thing going for the Lions is there schedule which allows them to build up a lot of momentum before hitting the difficult part of their schedule.
You forgot Hutch! C'mon man!
They look very much like football's version of the Cleveland Indians in April and May, which was adorable. But everybody knew it wasn't going to last.
Coming from the guy who was red-faced crying about how the Indians were going to take the division for 2 months.
Nothing you have typed in your post is fact, or even evidence. It is your opinion.
Just had to kick the Indians again while they're down, eh? I guess it's the offseason again for Cleveland. We'll always have April.
Between Suh, Stafford, and Johnson, and Rodgers, Jennings, Finley, Raji and Matthews, the Packers and Lions both have great cores that will be in their primes for the next 5-6 years. There should be some epic games over that span.
Anyone remember when the Colts started with Manning, Harrison, and Freeny? Hope the Lions have a similar run.
I'm with coldnjl that it's really too early to project, but I'd like to see the Lions take a running back. Maybe Marcus Lattimore or Trent Richardson (if they declare for the draft and are available for the 32nd pick*)? I just don't think Jahvid Best gives them what they need at running back.
*See what I did there?
I agree, they need a power back...but he was a 2nd round pick. He, Best and Houston might make a nice trio...
Lattimore wouldn't be eligible. Maybe they could trade up to get Trent Richardson.
Good point, I had forgotten about him. But, as has been noted, a torn achilles is a nasty injury to bounce back from. Hopefully he does.
regardless of what mark ingram does repeat after me 10000 times:
You don't trade up to take a RB.
and Kevin Jones.
He only played 1 season of college ball for (the then crappiest team in America) Oklahoma State and declared early. He went there because they were the only school in the country desperate enough for any back to give him a scholarship. He tried out at Northwestern and they passed on him, then he rode the bench for 2 years. Big effing gamble there, no brainer in hindsight. 3 to 4 games into the season who knows what backs will be available next April.
Oklahoma State was not horrible then. The RB Barry sat behind was future HOFer Thurman Thomas. He won the Heisman and still holds the single season rushing record in his only season starting at Okie State. We were lucky he fell to us at number three. Barry Sanders was not a big effing gamble as you claim.
The problem is for every Barry Sanders and Adrian Peterson there's a Curtis Enis, Rashaan Salaam, Kijana Carter, Ron Dayne, Chris Perry, Lawrence Phillips, Blair Thomas, Tim Biakabatuka, etc. You have equal success drafting a late round "scrap heap RB" as getting one at the top of the draft...so why risk it?
We also would be getting Leshoure back next season. That one two punch would take a lot of the pressure off of Best.
Tough for a running back to come back from an achilles, though
Lattimore is only a sophmore so he won't be in the draft but keep in mind that they drafted Leshoure in the 2nd rd last year. Also, not a response to you but I don't want to make another post but whoever gets martin in the 4th is getting a steal.
Leshore could be a good between-the-tackles guy if they give him a chance to get healthy. IMO, O-line is a much more pressing need.
Backus & Raiola are getting old and Cherilus & Peterman will never be confused with Pro-bowlers. And still, the line is half-decent at pass-pro (except when Backus is 1-on-1 w/ guys like Peppers & Allen - which is unfortunately often). But they get absolutely no push on the run. A good, young LT would let them move Backus to RT where he wouldn't have to deal with speed-rushers. Unfortunately, they're unlikely to find a sure thing picking in the early 20s. However, they could get a top-quality G or C there, if they see one they like.
In remaking this team, Mayock, Lewand, and Schwartz have loaded up talent at the skill positions on offense and the front seven on defense. Adding an improved O-line (and possibly a #1 corner) would push them from "dangerous" to "contender".
Mayock works for NFL network.
Mayhew works for the Lions
Honestly, unless some underclassmen like Taylor Lewan go pro, it's a weak class just like last year.
If they could get Fluker, Potter from Boise St. or I hate to say it but Mike Adams from Ohio in the 2nd round...that might be the best bet.
Dre Kirkpatrick is the guy I'd love to see them get. I say Kirkpatrick this year and an OT next year...rather than an OT this year and say...Tyrann Mathieu in the 2013.
For a coach who shouts out about building from the trenches out, the Lions have the worst OL in the league. There is just nothing at all there for the running game, no matter who they play. They need to take a couple more OL early, then maybe a couple more OL late, if there is enough talent in the draft to take.
This dude or "think tank" had to first predict where the Lions - and all other NFL teams - will finish in the standings. Then he crunches through 7 rounds of NFL selections and produces a steaming pile 'o crap to disperse to the masses. Wow. I need that job.
NOTE: Not ripping on the OP, who openly admits the list's full-of-shitness.
I also really hope they take a tackle with their 1st pick, even a right tackle would be OK.
and the Jets have already dumped a bunch of money into Holmes, and Mangold, and Sanchez, and Cromartie, and Revis, and Harris in the last 2 years plus Harris just got the franchise tag. As good as Ferguson is they need to spend money on their depleted DLine more than they need a top tackle. I wouldn't mind them accepting a bid for him from the Lions and us just taking the best available player.
Trade the house to get Matt Kalil from USC?
BPA route and take the best talent available regardless of position except for QB. They took Fairley when they had Suh/Williams/SLH.
You don't need to get a LT in the 1st round. Getting a franchise LT is becoming overrated. If you look at recent Super Bowl participants, they don't have elite LT starting for them. With that being said, the Lions do need to find a LT of the future since Backus is aging. From what I hear, Johnny Culbreath is the future because of his athleticism and strength.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Lions take OG in the 1st round like Osemele from Iowa State.
Didn't the scouts grade him as a third-fourth round prospect last season when he was thinking about going pro?
they need to get that mean SOB burfict to go along with Suh, i think those 2 have the same football mentalitiy.......unstable
The Lions should pick a CB and 2 OL with their top 3 picks, although the order is debatable. The offensive line is the one area that the Lions need to upgrade if they want to become a championship team. Every great team has a great offensive line. And the Lions have to protect a talented QB like Stafford. If the Lions keep letting Stafford get hit like in the Vikings game, he won't make it 1/2 way through the season.
Definitely agree. Before the season, I said they should go OL, CB, and OL in the first three rounds. However after watching Sunday's game, they definitely need to take an offensive lineman in the first two rounds. If those two picks happen to be Mike Adams and Mike Brewster (sigh) then so be it.
but if they lock up Wright, CB is less of a concern. Chris Houston is becoming a bonafide #1 starting CB and has improved from last year. There's Alphonso Smith who is a defacto starting CB.
Not every team has a great OL. GB has terrible OL yet still won the Super Bowl. Ditto with Pittsburgh Steelers. You don't need great OL to win SB, you need great QB, period.
runs a West Coast with quick passes so the line doesn't need to block for that long and I wouldn't say they are terrible. Steelers have Big Ben who has proven he can take a hit where Stafford's history says he can't. Having a great QB is not important if he is injured all the time.
The Packers have what you need to have in today's NFL, two tackles who don't regularly get beat cleanly by DEs and are decent at sealing the edge, and three interior linemen who can anchor and keep the pocket from collapsing. They're by no means dominant, but they maintain enough space and time for Rodgers to operate.
Stafford has never been hurt until his rookie season.
GB Packers doesn't run WCO and they run more of a vertical passing game which is not WCO. The Packers OL is pretty bad at pass pro.
Yes, having a great QB is the most important toward having a great NFL team.
I was under the impression the Lions will forfeit their 7th round pick in 2012 due to the whole Gunther Cunningham/KC tampering saga. If we make the playoffs, we lose our 6th rounder.
Lions should stick to there best available plan. if there is a great Tackle available by all means take him, but we don't need to start reaching for need, thats how we end up with players like cherlius.
I would love to see the Lions get Molk though with a 3rd or a 4th, they need some more beef in the center position and Molk seems to be in the top 3 or so in Centers this year. but if we can score an upgrade at center and a Tackle with our first or second that could compete for Backus's spot and if he panned out slide backus to RG and give Peterman his walking papers I would be a happy man going into next year.
I'm not confidant about Molk in the NFL. To me, he seems a lot like Raiola - tough and agile, but undersized and not great at getting a push on big DTs.
The best available approach doesn't work the same way it has the last few years for us anymore though. The Lions had serious talent deficiencies after Millen was fired and we needed help at every single position. After 3 years we're solid on offense besides basically every spot on the o-line, As someone already stated, there isn't a need for elite corners if you have a great pass rush, which the Lions have, so I don't think we should take a corner in the first round. I think tackle is our biggest need at the moment especially with an aging Backus, but center and guard have to be adressed too. The only starter I see on the Lions O-line is Rob Sims. That being said, O-line needs to be adressed early on in the draft. I don't care what positions are filled, just get talent.
Mike Martin 4th round? Did I miss something?
I think the knock against him, is 1) his size and where he fits, and 2) plays on a crappy D and doesn't put up a lot of stats.
I don't think he's big enough to play NT in the pros, but is too big to play a rush end. I've heard some say his ideal position is a 3-4 DE. So there's going to be questions as to where he fits with his size. And second is that as an NT on a crappy D in college means he doesn't put up great stats with all the double's he takes up. And then there's no one else funnel people toward him (at least the last two years). Brandon Graham was still a high pick on a crappy D because he was a DE and was still able to wreck havok off the edge. But with a good season this year and a good showing at a senior bowl and maybe he'll rise. I think he'll be a great pick up for whoever gets him though.
I think it's a bit early to predict all the needs not even a quarter into the season
Mock drafts in September are so awesome. They're kinda like "best guess recruiting class" except less accurate.
A LOT less accurate.
It's like a Best Guest List for 2013.
Lions aside...what do you guys think about the Michigan players?
So much of the draft gets determined by how well guys test at the combine, that it's impossible to tell, but I think those rounds look like reasonalbe guesses.
If Hemingway can run something around 4.6, he's probably a late round draft pick looking to a Jason Avant type role. Similar with Koger, although he's looking toward a 4.7-4.8. His hands are going to spook scouts, though. The TE's in vogue now in the NFL, so that probably helps his chances. Molk is small, so he'll have to put up a bunch of reps to prove that he's unusually strong for a smaller player. Woolfolk's injury history is going to scare off a bunch of teams, but someone may take a flyer if he runs really well.
Martin and van Bergen... Martin's kind of trapped without a position, His best spot, I'd think, is as a 3 technique DT, but there are fewer of those positions with more teams going to 3-4s. Don't think he's heavy enough to play NT and might not be tall enough to play DE in a 3-4 (those guys average 6'4" ish). Van Bergen will be right on the 7th round/free agent line. Wouldn't surprise me to see him make a roster next year.
i realize that martin's numbers arent fantastic (and I dont expect they will be much more impressive when the season is over) but I dont see martin slipping past the third round. i expect scouts who watch his film will recognize his dominance. plus i strongly suspect he will thoroughly impress at the combine.
unfortunately i dont see woolfolk getting drafted. hes too injury-prone and hasnt looked stellar so far this yr.
hemingway is an interesting one. hes not particularly tall and not at all fast. his strength is that hes big, can jump, has good body control, and is incrediblly good at high-pointing the ball. My concern is that he wont project well against NFL db's with better ball skills.
are certainly on the right path but it's early in the season and they are by no means a shoo-in for the playoffs (although it looks like they'll probably make it). Years ago my kids asked me when was the last time the Lions were good - like really good. I told them to ask their grandfather because it was long before I walked this earth. Hopefully that will change soon.
I'm surprised Mike Martin is only projecting in the 4th round by this clown.
Junior would be a nice pickup that late. I don't think we've ever fully taken advantage of his abilities.
I agree with you that this mock is worth nada. Evidence: Janoris Jenkins plays at a D2 powerhouse (North Alabama) and not a JUCO.
I think Koger will be gone by the second round and Martin will be taken by the end of the third round at least. With the improved defense his status will rise.
What has Koger done in his career to warrant a 2nd round selection? Is he going to get to the combined and run a 4.4 or something?
I'm not trolling, but c'mon. That's crazy talk.
Everyone is so high on Martin, but right now...what seperates him from Terrence Taylor (1 4th round pick). Gabe Watson was a 4th round pick. Rob Renes...the guy he may most resemble...he was a 7th round pick.
I'm not saying he can't go higher than the 4th round. I could see him going in the 2nd...but I could also see him going in the 6th. We need to quit acting like we have any player outside of Denard Robinson and Taylor Lewan that is currently a LOCK to be drafted in the first half of the draft. If we did. We're currently not using that talent for good.
on what basis are you comparing mike martin to terrance taylor besides position? terrance taylor was essentially a space eater that specialized against the run. he was negged for having poor conditioning, an inability to shed blockers, and poor use of his hands. mike martin, on the other hand, is two inches taller, faster, stronger, has good conditioning, and has tremendous hand technique. and im willing to bet that he puts up pretty ridiculous numbers at the nfl combine.
excepting some injury between now and the draft, I would be absolutely shocked if martin slipped past the 4th round (and extremely suprised if he made it out of the 3rd)
Speaking of #21, is MDen or any retailer selling a replica of the Desmond commemorative patch?