I don't know what it says because it is behind a paywall but the title probably says it all.
I don't know what it says because it is behind a paywall but the title probably says it all.
Not a fan of the stickers, although it's likely just a headline to get clicks.
Some dude heard from some guy on the team that former players have been suggesting that Hoke should bring them back. Further rumor is that Hoke's leaving the decision up to the team.
I like that last bit. The only way i would be ok with stickers is if the team wanted them. I still wouldnt like them, but its better than Hoke deciding on his own.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
I vote no. Now if someone could tell me where to submit my ballot.
and I'll show ya".
I love Clark W. Griswold.
"How dare you talk to me like that!"
"I wasn't talking to you..."
Clark is the man for sure.
Anyone who is an expert in the field of non-nutrative cereal varnish is definitely properly considered as being "the man" - no doubt about it!
Nothing but clutter for America's best helmets. You can't improve perfection.
This. The helmets are already fantastic, and I like that they're uniform. I don't like when all of the helmets look different b/c of varying numbers of stickers. Plus, Denard would need like fourteen helmets.
Is an outstanding and extremely overlooked problem with bringing back helmet stickers. Good call.
Don't mess with the best
Venus de Milo
Reminds me of the 80's
and big hair.
the part like Big Ten championships, beating Ohio State, 10-2/11-2 seasons, Rose Bowl appearances, and ending the season top ranked.
I don't care either way, but I'm not opposed if the players want to reconnect with those memories.
If the team wants them back, I'm all for it. The decision should be up to them. Nothiing like a little extra motivation!
Who cares either way. The thing that truly matters is the team's performance. Personally I'd like to see them. Maybe a small maize block M or something along those lines
Man I'm already dreading explaining to any osu fan born after 1985 that we are not copying them. I like them the way they are now.
...although I'd like to see a simple 'Block M' inside a football-shaped decal, as opposed to the old football-shaped stickers, which featured an almost unrecognizable wolverine head.
How about a picture of Dirk Nowitzki? No? Nothin? Dude is on fire in the playoffs.
I'm in favor.
I hope we get stickers. I've wanted them ever since I saw the teams that did. I wouldn't mind a wolverine paw. Or like previously mentioned a block M in a circle
Fashionably, I am opposed to interupting such a perfect look as our helmets. But on the other hand, shouldn't we take back one of the best known college football traditions? Bo pioneered the helmet sticker at Miami and continued it at Michigan. Woody kind of, you know, stole it for OSU and now they may be the best known for it. Perhaps it is time to re-claim what the quinticential Michigan Man started? I just hate to see OSU run away with it un-opposed.
after all these posts about the helmet surveys showing UM as an almost-universal #1 in all its dramatic simplicity, and comments that separate rankings for OSU's helmet by moving it up without stickers and down with the clutter. Not to betray my feelings about the matter...
I vote to keep them the same. I don't mind helmet stickers on a helmet like OSU because it is so plain to begin with, but ours is perfect as it is IMHE.
You wouldn't put a bumper sticker on an Aston Martin.
torn. I rmember when Brandy, Leach, AC, Huck and the boys all had these, and they did look cool. But now, the simple perfection of a helmet is awesome too.
Count me in as abstaining.
best helmet in football
best helmet in football with crap all over it.
I know that Bo brought these, but never understood how Michigan always emphasized "The Team, the team, the team" and yet put individual stickers on players helmets. They win as a team, they lose asa a team, and through it all, should all wear the great UofM helmet without the indiviual clutter.
it should come down to the team obviously but helmet stickers look plain bad. They don't even look that good and osu and thats there thing at this point, the only eh helmet stickers are fsu, everything else just makes helmets look cluttered and the beginning of the season is terrible when there are like 3 stickers
Bo started them at Miami (Ohio) in 1965 and brought the idea with him to UM in 1969. Woody copied the idea in 1968 and Vince Dooley (Georgia "dog bones") followed a few years later. Lloyd Carr ended the tradition at UM when he became HC in 1995.
..."for doing something positive for the team". It could be as simple as a practice guy giving a good look on demo offense or defense.
With Bo, the stickers would actually go to the entire side of the ball for something like getting a 3 and out.
If they're going to do it, I hope it's the wolverine stickers of yore.
Personally, I like 'em, and seeing Denard with a helmet full of stickers is just more of a Desmond throwback for me. Bring it on.
they always brought an intimidation factor too. I'd always think a guy must be really tough whose head was covered. There's a B.A. element.
I always thought that the stickers make the helmet even better looking from a distance. I'd like to see them again.
I always loved helmet stickers as a young kid. That was back when information about U-M was somewhat limited and the team was only on TV once or twice per year. The stickers allowed you to easily identify who the best players were.
I grew up watching stickers too and I'd kind of like to see them again as a reminder of the Bo era. If they were originally Bo's idea and Woody ripped him off, all the more reason.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: only little girls and Buckeyes play with stickers.
Is there a difference between the two?
So you're saying that Bo Schembechler was a little girl.
but I never liked the stickers. And I think it's ok to disagree with some of the things that Bo did.
Ornery, I was surprised at how well your post was going... and then you threw in the "Turdriguez" comment.
You chastize board posters who pretend to know what players think and yet your interject what you think your opinion would be if your were a player? How is that better than what you just chastized?
What exactly does retarded look like?
Its is not that players set a goal before each play to get a sticker, the sticker is recognition for accomplishing a set goal or making a great play. Goals could be for total yards allowed,rushing yards allowed, total points allowed, getting of the field on third down, third down efficiency, red zone efficiency, big hits, pancakes, etc. When I played, it was my goal to pancake the man across from me on every single play, a sticker would not have motivated me any more to do that, but getting that concrete recognition from my staff and peers would have been really neat too. Pro's have incentive laden contracts which acts in a similar way. Should contracts not have incentives in the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, or in business?
Memories of my youth watching Howard, Grbac, Wheatley, etc.
If we do i'd like them to be rectangular-ish and long/slim so they can arrange them somehow so it doesn't take a few to start cluttering the helmet
Bo did it. Why question it. If you are to young to remember it give it a chance.
but I can live with them.
They are better off than the throwback prototypes we saw.
Then, I hope Hoke limits the stickers to a few! I did not like the 80s and even up through Mo where helmets were filled with stickers and you could not see the wings!
I don't mind the stickers too much. We did it before, why not do it again? All that really matters is the play on the field, and the integrity of the program.
Actually we would not be copying Osu... Bo started it early on and Woody like it and started it at OSU around 70,71
I personally hate the stickers.
The team, the team, the team.
I like the irony of using Bo Schembechler's famous six-word quote as part of your comment declaring your dislike for the very thing Bo started.
Winner boys and girls. I couldnt have said that any better Don. My sentiments exactly.
is that a poster finally used irony in its proper context. Many on this board should take note.
So your argument is that Bo is completely unfallible and beyond reproach?
you agree with EVERYTHING Bo ever did
You can't like most everything Bo did and disagree with a few things based on your own thoughts and analysis? It is not ironic, since Bo wanted his coaches to fight with him for what they thought was right, and respected this. Lloyd took them off, and he was a Bo disciple. Crisler and Yost never used them either. It is ok to not like them and makes you no worse or better of a fan of Bo.
Denard's going to be wearing a solid gold helmet by November...
Denard's not going to be transferring to stinkin Notre Dame. I hate gold almost as much as I hate silver with sparkles in it.
MAIZE. Coffee, where are you?
Putting aside my feelings about OSU, they have one of the nicer helmets in college football.
Open your mouth-- now, Irish Spring or Zest??
Maybe some Lifeboy for that dirty mouth?
These guys are not Buckeyes with the equivalent of a nursery school education, needing to be pointed to the bathroom and getting a star when they spell "tattoo," or "auto." Leave well enough alone, Brady, I beg.
riled. But it would still suck.
Instead of stickers maybe they can get merit badges on the unis!
why not locker stickers, or sitcker patches for thier letter jackets, or something similar, but not on the helmet.
Or like a sticker book where they can collect the different stickers they've earned and show them off to their friends after class. The unicorn sticker would be the most rare, but everyone would want it.
miniature American flags for others
Never understood why singling out individual players on a team sport was such a good idea. Say one of our running backs gets a touchdown, is he the only one to get a sticker? How about the linemen that created the hole, or the fullback that was the lead blocker? The same could be said about a touchdown pass, does the QB and the WR each get one? What about the linemen in pass protection, or the other WR that may have opened up a lane with his route?
The Team's success in an effort by all the student athletes on the Team! Saying these players are better or more successful marginalizes the other players not in the so-called "skill positions".
Maybe I'm just a bitter ex-lineman though...
PS: Don't clutter up the helmets! Best looking helmets in college football, no need to ruin them.
I would think that Hoke and the rest of the staff have enough experience with the X's and O's to be able to recognize good plays all over the field and hand out stickers to anybody that deserves one. I doubt that you would see the typical media bias toward the skill positions.
Also, I don't think that rewarding individual effort is counter-productive to the team atmosphere. Anytime a player works hard, he's likely still doing it for the team. Think about what Hoke has said about how he wants the practices to look (and I think Aaron Wellman, the S&C coach has said similar things): competition all the time. Every drill, every snap, every rep is going to be done competitively. That doesn't mean that the teammates competing against each other aren't teammates. The competition is good for the team. Individual effort is what makes a team.
This is hilarious. Do you know who uttered "The team, the team, the team?"
Do you know who introduced helmet stickers?
So you're saying that the guy who you're quoting about the "team concept" introduced something that takes away from the "team concept."
So is every post-season award handed out by the UM football program at the team banquet. Those are individual awards that emphasize individual accomplishments. Just like the Heisman Trophy. That's contradictory to the team philosophy as well.
I agree. The helmet stickers were a mistake.
As pointed out, Bo started the stickers at Miami. Perhaps by the time he delivered the famous "team" comment, he'd realized by then that the stickers had run their course.
Anyway, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Anyway, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Is this a quote in your sig line or did you really just come up with that? I applaud your linguistic effort if you just wrote that. Hobgoblin? Well done.
but I stole it from Ralph Waldo Emerson
I'm betraying my science background. Good usage anyway.
It's stating that trying to stay consistent instead of constantly morphing and changing one's views is shallow and base. A great mind forms an opinion and has no problem changing it publicly because it is willing to grow, even if it should be seen as hypocritical or inconsistent by the masses.
I personally do not believe Bo had this profound change of heart. But there need be no great debate over helmet stickers.
(Edit-Bo's "The Team" speech was given in 1983 and helmet stickers were adiosed in 1995, I believe, by Carr)
Perhaps by the time he delivered the famous "team" comment, he'd realized by then that the stickers had run their course.
Unlikely, given that he delivered the speech in 1983 and kept the helmet stickers to the end of his career.
The stickers are tacky and the helmet is timeless.
It's what i grew up with watching UM football. If it was good enough for Bo, it should be good enough for everybody.
Good enough for Bo.
Good enough for me.
That is all.
I think the stickers should be little blue dots that go up the yellow stripes from the back, until all the yellow stripes and wings are covered in blue dots. /s
not a fan of helmet stickers.
there's no "I" in wings. Oh. Um... they lost their wings?
Not a fan of helmet stickers on the winged helmet... just my $0.02. For me it's not really a matter of tradition or whether or not having individual accomplishments acknowledged is a good idea; I just think it looks ugly...
Michigan football is legendary. Legendary is Bo. Bo used helmet stickers.
I do not like your logic. Here's an alternative:
Michigan football helmets are iconic. Stickers are not iconic. Michigan football helmets should not have stickers.
What of us who came of age in a time when those stickers were an integral part of that iconic look?
Apparently there is a Lloyd come of age crowd, maybe a Rodriguez come of age crowd, and a Bo / Mo come of age crowd, and the acceptability of helmet stickers runs along those lines.
My view, if the team thinks getting stickers for significant individual contributions to the team is something they want to do or try out - then it is OK by me.
We seem to be having a lot of tradition issues these past few days ... what a whiny lot we are.
I'm one of those in that age-range you mention. My love for Michigan budded during this era and I hate the helmet stickers. It makes the helmets look unclean. And there's no real need for them. No one asked me, but that's what I think.
Football is a dirty game. The helmets shouldn't look all clean and pretty for very long.
The logical conclusion being that ... Michigan footbal ... is ... helmet stickers?
I'll go with UM = iconic; helmet stickers - not.
Stickers when your a freshman and as you start to contribute and make plays or start you get to take a sticker off. When your finished you would be recognized as a full fledged wolverine.
I see no particular reason to defer to the players. Judging by some of their tattoos, I wouldn't let most of them decorate my bathroom, much less tamper with one of the University's most iconic brand images.
You speak of the helmets as though they are your property. If they belong to anyone, it's the people who wear them (and, in spite of the protection they offer, often get seriously hurt).
I'm not a huge fan of the stickers, but if the players want them, I can't really argue. Hey - at least in September, the helmets will be "clean."
I'd never claim ownership. It should never be a matter of personal ownership. In fact I think I made it clear as to ownership:
one of the University's most iconic brand images.
You, on the other hand, speak of the helmets as though they are the current players' property. ("If they belong to anyone, it's the current players.") I'd reject that view, just as surely as you'd (correctly) reject anybody's claim that they were their "property." And for that matter, some of the players have some rather idiosyncratic ideas about personal decoration:
I think I'd rather let the Athletic Department, and not the players, decide on the decorating.
I know it's tough for a lot of people to hear but Bo did make two mistakes in his lifetime. The first was helmet stickers. The second was his choice for breakfast on April 14, 1953. He went with pancakes over the Denver omelet.
It's an individual preference that will vary from fan to fan, and perhaps from generation to generation. I always liked them, but my serious UM football fandom began in 1969, Bo's first season. Those who "came of age" during the Carr years may well feel entirely differently about the way they look.
To suggest that they're contradictory to team values at the same time one is venerating an iconic, Hall of Fame coach whose entire approach was the epitome of "team-oriented" is nonsensical.
You might be right.
I do hate the look of the helmet stickers first and foremost. Everytime I see other teams with the stickers, I think it looks tacky and I'm grateful we don't use them.
Perhaps I was being lazy when I referenced the "team" quote above.
Regardless of what Bo thought about the stickers, I personally believe that the stickers weaken the team concept. I'm all for internal recognition among teammates and the coaches for great plays but I think that: (1) making it public; and (2) making it "permanent" (for the season) both place way too much emphasis on individual aspects over the team. Also, it just seems petty to me -- as if players cared more about stickers than wins.
I understand that other fans may disagree and ultimately it is probably just a matter of taste
Well said, Don. You're absolutely right.
I "came of age" during the Carr years, and I, personally, like a clean, uniform Michigan helmet. I don't like stickers obscuring the design.
Since the fanbase is more heavily weighted toward the Bo generations, we might see that the stickers would be well received.
At this point, I say just keep the status quo. Making a change might create a pointless problem with fans, whereas most are happy enough without them.
I think this is true. I've never understood the hate for helmet stickers, but I was a 10-year old Michigan fan when this happened:
No brand logos on the jerseys. Less than 100 words of warning-label information on the helmet. No flags, etc. No "M" on the pants. No Arby's patches. No tribute patches. I'm tired of all the clutter. I don't want to do things the way they do them at Ohio State or Oregon State or Oklahoma State.
Some things we are stuck with, like an adidas 3-stripe logo, because they pay us about $7m a year.
No helmet sitckers, thank you very much.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike the helmet stickers, but this is not one of them.
The little Adidas logo is too much for you? That is literally the only major aesthetic change (along with the stickers and the colors, which have changed at least three times since then anyway). There are no Arby's patches or memorial patches.
Flags? Was it for the 9/11 game?
I'll just go with one of the other many reasons to dislike the helmet stickers.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike the helmet stickers,
I'll let you choose.
If the team wants them as a motivator how can one argue.
Personally, I would want to seperate ourselves from anything tosu does, which includes displaying individual rewards by way of helmet decals.
Bo knew what he was doing. There is a mental aspect to any game that goes beyond knowing how to play it and having physical skills. The stickers serve two purposes:
Lining up against a guy in a winged helmet covered with stickers could be all the more intimidating. It is not so much for player pride, but to get the opponent thinking.
It also serves as inspiration to the younger players who haven't got as much game time to work that much harder on the field.
So I don't care how the helmet looks. If the team wins, the helmet looks good.
Edit: This is a bit OT, but I want to add that Hoke's got the new commits excited; how cool is it that the guys who went to the Columbus football camp wore M hats? And in the words of one, wanted to "represent our school!" Our school! These are guys who haven't spent a day on campus as students, yet they're already imbued with Team!
Michigan employed helmet award stickers from 1969 to 1994 and went 238-61-8 (.775 winning pct).
Michigan stopped using helmet award stickers in 1995 to present and has gone 137-62 (.688 winning pct.)
From a lucky charms perspective, the math demonstrates that helmet stickers magically lead to more victories.
So roll out the helmet stickers with great fanfare and without further delay.
Bring back stickers (clap clap clapclapclap)
I started rooting for Michigan in 1969. Unfortunately, that was the same year I graduated from High School. (Get off my lawn!) All that being said I hate the idea of helmet stickers from a purely aesthetic view point.
More schools have "discontinued," than are currently using, stickers:
Is it not pretty clear, that the helmets that are the best and most iconic designs, don't need stickers (Michigan, Texas, Navy, Oregon, UCLA, USC); and that the schools with the plainest and/or least traditional designs go for stickers to give themselves some interest? (Michigan State - which changes its helmets every other year; Ohio State - whose helmet design dates back to 1968, and looks like it; Cal-Berkley - such a great school with such tacky football helmets; Georgia Bay Packers with their stolen G and their dog bones; SMU - still celebrating their Death Penalty with skull and cross-bone helmet stickers.)
We really don't want to be part of the "helmet sticker" set.