Then, I hope Hoke limits the stickers to a few! I did not like the 80s and even up through Mo where helmets were filled with stickers and you could not see the wings!
Helmet Stickers Might Be Back
I don't mind the stickers too much. We did it before, why not do it again? All that really matters is the play on the field, and the integrity of the program.
Actually we would not be copying Osu... Bo started it early on and Woody like it and started it at OSU around 70,71
I personally hate the stickers.
The team, the team, the team.
I like the irony of using Bo Schembechler's famous six-word quote as part of your comment declaring your dislike for the very thing Bo started.
Winner boys and girls. I couldnt have said that any better Don. My sentiments exactly.
is that a poster finally used irony in its proper context. Many on this board should take note.
So your argument is that Bo is completely unfallible and beyond reproach?
you agree with EVERYTHING Bo ever did
You can't like most everything Bo did and disagree with a few things based on your own thoughts and analysis? It is not ironic, since Bo wanted his coaches to fight with him for what they thought was right, and respected this. Lloyd took them off, and he was a Bo disciple. Crisler and Yost never used them either. It is ok to not like them and makes you no worse or better of a fan of Bo.
Denard's going to be wearing a solid gold helmet by November...
Denard's not going to be transferring to stinkin Notre Dame. I hate gold almost as much as I hate silver with sparkles in it.
MAIZE. Coffee, where are you?
Putting aside my feelings about OSU, they have one of the nicer helmets in college football.
Open your mouth-- now, Irish Spring or Zest??
Maybe some Lifeboy for that dirty mouth?
These guys are not Buckeyes with the equivalent of a nursery school education, needing to be pointed to the bathroom and getting a star when they spell "tattoo," or "auto." Leave well enough alone, Brady, I beg.
riled. But it would still suck.
Instead of stickers maybe they can get merit badges on the unis!
why not locker stickers, or sitcker patches for thier letter jackets, or something similar, but not on the helmet.
Or like a sticker book where they can collect the different stickers they've earned and show them off to their friends after class. The unicorn sticker would be the most rare, but everyone would want it.
miniature American flags for others
Never understood why singling out individual players on a team sport was such a good idea. Say one of our running backs gets a touchdown, is he the only one to get a sticker? How about the linemen that created the hole, or the fullback that was the lead blocker? The same could be said about a touchdown pass, does the QB and the WR each get one? What about the linemen in pass protection, or the other WR that may have opened up a lane with his route?
The Team's success in an effort by all the student athletes on the Team! Saying these players are better or more successful marginalizes the other players not in the so-called "skill positions".
Maybe I'm just a bitter ex-lineman though...
PS: Don't clutter up the helmets! Best looking helmets in college football, no need to ruin them.
I would think that Hoke and the rest of the staff have enough experience with the X's and O's to be able to recognize good plays all over the field and hand out stickers to anybody that deserves one. I doubt that you would see the typical media bias toward the skill positions.
Also, I don't think that rewarding individual effort is counter-productive to the team atmosphere. Anytime a player works hard, he's likely still doing it for the team. Think about what Hoke has said about how he wants the practices to look (and I think Aaron Wellman, the S&C coach has said similar things): competition all the time. Every drill, every snap, every rep is going to be done competitively. That doesn't mean that the teammates competing against each other aren't teammates. The competition is good for the team. Individual effort is what makes a team.
This is hilarious. Do you know who uttered "The team, the team, the team?"
Do you know who introduced helmet stickers?
So you're saying that the guy who you're quoting about the "team concept" introduced something that takes away from the "team concept."
So is every post-season award handed out by the UM football program at the team banquet. Those are individual awards that emphasize individual accomplishments. Just like the Heisman Trophy. That's contradictory to the team philosophy as well.
I agree. The helmet stickers were a mistake.
As pointed out, Bo started the stickers at Miami. Perhaps by the time he delivered the famous "team" comment, he'd realized by then that the stickers had run their course.
Anyway, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Anyway, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Is this a quote in your sig line or did you really just come up with that? I applaud your linguistic effort if you just wrote that. Hobgoblin? Well done.
but I stole it from Ralph Waldo Emerson
I'm betraying my science background. Good usage anyway.
It's stating that trying to stay consistent instead of constantly morphing and changing one's views is shallow and base. A great mind forms an opinion and has no problem changing it publicly because it is willing to grow, even if it should be seen as hypocritical or inconsistent by the masses.
I personally do not believe Bo had this profound change of heart. But there need be no great debate over helmet stickers.
(Edit-Bo's "The Team" speech was given in 1983 and helmet stickers were adiosed in 1995, I believe, by Carr)
Perhaps by the time he delivered the famous "team" comment, he'd realized by then that the stickers had run their course.
Unlikely, given that he delivered the speech in 1983 and kept the helmet stickers to the end of his career.
The stickers are tacky and the helmet is timeless.
Hoke said back in spring that stickers WONT be coming back. I believe him over this
It's what i grew up with watching UM football. If it was good enough for Bo, it should be good enough for everybody.
Good enough for Bo.
Good enough for me.
That is all.
I think the stickers should be little blue dots that go up the yellow stripes from the back, until all the yellow stripes and wings are covered in blue dots. /s
not a fan of helmet stickers.
there's no "I" in wings. Oh. Um... they lost their wings?
Not a fan of helmet stickers on the winged helmet... just my $0.02. For me it's not really a matter of tradition or whether or not having individual accomplishments acknowledged is a good idea; I just think it looks ugly...
Michigan football is legendary. Legendary is Bo. Bo used helmet stickers.
I do not like your logic. Here's an alternative:
Michigan football helmets are iconic. Stickers are not iconic. Michigan football helmets should not have stickers.
What of us who came of age in a time when those stickers were an integral part of that iconic look?
Apparently there is a Lloyd come of age crowd, maybe a Rodriguez come of age crowd, and a Bo / Mo come of age crowd, and the acceptability of helmet stickers runs along those lines.
My view, if the team thinks getting stickers for significant individual contributions to the team is something they want to do or try out - then it is OK by me.
We seem to be having a lot of tradition issues these past few days ... what a whiny lot we are.
I'm one of those in that age-range you mention. My love for Michigan budded during this era and I hate the helmet stickers. It makes the helmets look unclean. And there's no real need for them. No one asked me, but that's what I think.
Football is a dirty game. The helmets shouldn't look all clean and pretty for very long.
The logical conclusion being that ... Michigan footbal ... is ... helmet stickers?
I'll go with UM = iconic; helmet stickers - not.
Stickers when your a freshman and as you start to contribute and make plays or start you get to take a sticker off. When your finished you would be recognized as a full fledged wolverine.
I see no particular reason to defer to the players. Judging by some of their tattoos, I wouldn't let most of them decorate my bathroom, much less tamper with one of the University's most iconic brand images.
You speak of the helmets as though they are your property. If they belong to anyone, it's the people who wear them (and, in spite of the protection they offer, often get seriously hurt).
I'm not a huge fan of the stickers, but if the players want them, I can't really argue. Hey - at least in September, the helmets will be "clean."
I'd never claim ownership. It should never be a matter of personal ownership. In fact I think I made it clear as to ownership:
one of the University's most iconic brand images.
You, on the other hand, speak of the helmets as though they are the current players' property. ("If they belong to anyone, it's the current players.") I'd reject that view, just as surely as you'd (correctly) reject anybody's claim that they were their "property." And for that matter, some of the players have some rather idiosyncratic ideas about personal decoration:
I think I'd rather let the Athletic Department, and not the players, decide on the decorating.
I know it's tough for a lot of people to hear but Bo did make two mistakes in his lifetime. The first was helmet stickers. The second was his choice for breakfast on April 14, 1953. He went with pancakes over the Denver omelet.