I'm not quite sure how to feel about the full scholarship part...
to play football, not to play trumpet
I'm not quite sure how to feel about the full scholarship part...
My exact thoughts. I saw this and thought/still think notsureifserious
This can't be right.
Now Dantonio will offer him a full scholly and 10K cash
Dantonio will offer him a walk-on spot, just to prove the power of the MSU brand vs. Michigan... we stand no chance of retaining him at this point
"Groucho Mark" emerges from "laying in the weeds" with the Bambi Maize and Blue clenched in his razor sharp teeth.
on the other hand, I like the sound of
"Sips rips it to the hip of Wile. He boots it to the pylon. The receiver trips, does a flip, loses control of the ball, Sips recovers...TOUCHDOWN MICHIGAN, and the MAIZE and BLUE go up 45 -0 over the Spartans as the clock runs out on the Green and whatever the other color is."
Put that in your pipe and smoke it "Sparty Bob"!!!
There's not a chance in hell the kid got a full scholarship offer
Edit: I think there might actually be a chance in hell after all. I think we actually offered him. Must fight urge to question best coaching staff in CFB.
Theres also the possiblity that 24 becomes 25.. or that this "full scholarship" idea is a bit misunderstood.
You can give a guy a $1 scholarship and it still counts as a full scholarship towards your 85 limit. Thus, the term "head count" sport versus "equivalency sport."
He's not included on the offer list. Sounds more like a preferred walk-on. Doubt we'd offer a scholarship at this point for a long-snapper.
Didn't we accept 2 players in the last class that were long snappers as walk-ons?
Maybe full academic scholarship?
That was my reaction. We can hope.
you can't offer football players academic scholarships.
But I don't remember seeing a lot of (if any) full scholarships to long snappers. With a limited number of schollies left this is pretty strange.
I think both Notre Dame and Ohio State have given scholarships to long snappers in the last couple of years.
OSU/Tressel did indeed give him a full scholarship when he came in, I don't know if he'll maintain it under Meyer. I remember it was pretty late in the process and Tressel didn't have very many targets left recruiting-wise. Tressel said he did it because the kid had the fastest snap he had ever seen and figured that was the best way to guarantee his commitment.
Didn't Lloyd give a scholarship to the just-departed and never-played George Morales?
Either way, we've had the luxury of not having to worry about long snappers for a while now. Tom Pomarico was an unsung hero. I can think of one, maybe two at the most, messed up snaps from him.
Didn't we get two walk-ons for last year or just one? I really don't think this is worth a full ride. Please be a joke.
Just one - the other jumped to MSU on a full ride.
I'm actually pretty excited about this but I'm probably the only one. Assuming he's as good as they say, this means we'll likely not have to watch a botched snap to a punter in the endzone etc etc for the duration he's here. This is one of those parts of the game you never think about until it completely ruins a winnable game and everybody's bitching because we don't have a good enough long snapper. This attention to detail is encouraging and something that the latter part of the Carr, and the entire duration of RR, had not payed enough attention to, IMO.
edit: and I completely agree w/ the Hello post- the test will be if we never hear about him in 4 years save an instance like that insane fake field goal in the Sugar Bowl. If we never talk about long snapping while he's here, it was worth it to give him a scholly, assuming he plays.
Is he a future pro-bowler or something? full ride, huh?
- not Herm
Don't disgrace "Maverick" by omitting the tilde.
~ Not Herm
Academic scholarship hopefully
Walk on players can't get academic scholarships for obvious reasons...
I understand for preferred walk-ons why they do that. But are you really trying to tell me that if I had wanted to try out for the football team in general student try-outs I wouldn't have been allowed to since I was on (partial) academic scholarship?
I understand WHY the rule is in place, but I would be surprised if it's as cut-and-dry as "academic scholarship=not allowed to walk-on."
I don't know the rules on partial scholarships but any person playing a sport on scholarship, no matter what the scholarship is actually for, takes up a scholarship for that sport. If a basketball player wants to play football too, that takes up a scholarship for football as well as basketball. Same thing for academisc. If somebody was on a full ride academic scholarsihp then they probably wouldn't make any of the teams because that would take a scholly up for the team.
That's the same source, so that doesn't tell us anything new. We'll see if this is actually a full athletic scholarship. Could be academic. If he's taking a spot in the 85... I'm perplexed, to say the least.
Where is his Hello Post Ace? Weren't you expecting this?
Damn, beat me by 30 seconds.
Ace what the hell is wrong with you, why didn't you have a Hello post ready to go for this kid?!
FWIW, AnnArbor.com says "Sypniewki will be on full athletic scholarship, according to both Rubio and TheWolverine.com"
To me it tells me the coaches feel really confident in their other commits and also that they have plugged a lot of holes from what RR left them especially on the lines.
They also must feel that snapper is a position that is needed badly and that a walk-on wouldn't be good enough as Michigan lost a walk-on snapper to Michigan State when they offered.
Tells me that the coaches are feeling pretty confident in the direction of the program and they are building and repairing all aspects of the team.
If Hoke has deemed long snapper a position important enough to spend a scholarship on, then we should take one in the Class of 2013. Jareth Glanda is a redshirt junior this year, so Sypniewski could redshirt his first year on campus and then be our starting snapper his redshirt freshman year.
Personally, I'm not opposed to spending a scholarship on a snapper if the kid is worth it. Teams routinely spend scholarships on guys like Mike Cox, who aren't expected to be more than depth guys for most of their career. If we can secure a long snapper that is 10-20% better than average and plays a key part in 10-12 plays per game, I'm fine with giving him a scholarship.
You shut yer mouth about Mike Cox.
Don't talk abot Mike Cox. Magnus still haz a sad.
No detrimental talk about Cox should be allowed on the blog.
EDIT: #doubleentendre, but if I typed entendredouble# that would most certainly be redundant. Oh shit I just typed it; you were right!
We just got a legit walk-on long snapper last year. As the saying goes, why buy the cow...??
Can Herm let us know if he's ever seen this in his 133 yrs of following Michigan football?
meant 1961, thanks for clarifying. 1861, wow; my respect for Herm has increased 100X.
Is he a 5*? I was crossing my fingers for this kid.
Scholarships for long snappers are becoming more common, according to this ESPN article. LSU and Notre Dame (at the very least) have both granted scholarships to 2012 long snappers.
OSU did it two years ago.
but my very brief (and highly questionable) research shows that full ride scholarships at Michigan for long snappers are about as common as Venus Transits---there's only been 6 of them given out since the 1600's and they seem to show up in pairs 8 years apart separated by much longer intervals of either 105 or 122 years. I'll go out on a limb and predict it won't happen again until 2117...
I understand that this may be an important position, but its not like we will be begging random 'depth' players to join the class come February.....
This doesnt mean turning down a 'Mike Cox'
Instead it means not having room for an Alvin Bailey if Treadwell commits, etc...
Hoke must have been waiting for Cravens' announcement to pull the trigger.
No Rivals profile, and this is all there is on Scout-http://michigan.scout.com/a.z?s=162&p=8&c=1&nid=6351239
This kid better be the Denard of long snappers if this is true.
I mean...congratulations to the kid, but...nevermind, this has to be a joke...
I think Brady Hoke usually jokes around about scholarship offers. Wait...what?
Sounds like it's the real deal, though not explicit that he's on scholarship.
Meyer must have cooled on him. Or his offer wasn't commitable.
The real question is can he handle our fake field goal play where he ends up catching the ball...
Glanda must be moving to WR.
explanation so far..
I'm happy for the kid. I can't imagine how exciting this is for him. However perplexed we all are at the decision, imagine how excited any of us would have been to play Michigan football and how excited this kid must be join Team 134.
That said...this is really perplexing.
Be what Sam Webb was referring to when he said we were in for a huge June
Good luck and welcome.
I hope to NEVER hear your name from the announcers, unless you somehow catch the ball for a first down, then it's ok.
Notre Dame will have 2 long snappers on scholarship this coming year. It happens. It would piss me off to if I was you guys because you only have like what 3 scholarships left now?
I think this decision has left some of us shaking our heads, but 20 commits to the class was like wow, so I guess I will trust the coaches.
Contrary to what I imagined, he does not actually poop gold after each snap, that seemed to me the only logical explanation.
...there is a recruiting video for this kid.
There is also an article that I found from May that highlights the trend in offering scholarships at this position. It provides an abbreviated list of the 25 FBS programs that have offered scholarships to long snappers recently. It talks some about the Rubio camp - what I found interesting is that they've sort of put specs on the position, if you will, stating that a lot of schools want the 15-yard snap completed in 0.75 seconds or less. It's a little detail, but an important one in certain situations.
Welcome to Michigan, Scott!
This guy does it in .69 sec
God bless this staff and the genius of Hoke. .69 folks!!!
My feelings on this depend entirely on whether he's on scholarship. The difference between a scholarship long snapper and a good walk-on long snapper has to be, what, one bad snap over their careers? That hardly seems worth a four-year scholarship.
Either way, I hope the kid has a great career at U-M (and that this is the last we hear of him).
He just tweeted this...so unless there was some egregious error in communication, he is on full scholarship...
Scott Sypniewski @Sypniewski56 Commited to Michigan on full scholarship!!!
Don't get this at all.
video of him snapping over and over.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlGwlZvEmEM&feature=related
Thought we had a couple preferred walk on long snappers? I know MSU got one from us but I swore we had another or two. Very perplexing to say the least, I'm going to guess what we have at RB is all we're getting
No offens to this kid, but he could be th greatest long snapper ever, and I still wouldn't feel it's worth a scholarship. You're only on the field for like 10 plays a game, and half of those are extra points. Plus, the difference between a great long snapper and an average one is unnoticeable.
Well, as long as he makes a catch for a first down in a BCS game, I will be okay with this.
look at the kids last name, he's clearly a long snapper and he's clearly going to play at the University of Michigan.
Sypniewski? That SCREAMS Michigan special teams player (and a DAMN good one!)
Ranked as a 5* longsnapper and #14 in the nation on this site...
However, unranked in the top 100 on this site...
5 stars and #14 , wow, the top 5 must be 6 stars
Wow, people really do in depth evaluations of high school long snappers.
We've got our 5* ladies and gents!
on this site where he is the #2 LS in the nation...
That site has 162 long snappers ranked?!?!? Oh, the humanity!
Haha I'm sorry guys but this is just downright stupid. How hard can it be for one of our walkon snappers to do the same job just as good? It's snapping a damn ball, can't be that hard to perfect. We can say goodbye to a 4th WR or a SDE.
well maybe if you'd of spent a little more time perfecting your long snapping skills and a little less time complaining about them, this would be you with the full ride scholarship.
I agree. Hoke is doing an awful job, fire him now. He used a schollie on a long snapper. Bad bad man.
and you do yours, whatever that may be. I have a LOT more faith in Hoke & Co to recruit those players we need in order to be successful than I do in you.
NO ME GUSTA!
EDIT Snapper is easily overcooked, but should never be overrated.: especially if it can launch a football between its legs 15 yds, while looking between said legs, in .69 seconds. Just sayin'.
I trust our coaches and that they know what they're doing. I'm happy for the young man. Congratulations, Scott.
No Kate Upton? For shame.
deserves some Kate Upton on their hello page regardless of position.
show the guy some love. I too question the decision to give him an always-valuable scholly with our quota fast-approaching, but you can't not be happy for the guy. Plus giving some credit to a quality long-snapper is always a good idea; otherwise the only time you hear about them is when they screw up.
Now if we were Alabama, we'd take commits from 6 longsnappers and have them duke it out for the scholarship. The other five would be diagnosed from whatever injury you can possibly get from longsnapping
being happy for the young man and being perplexed at the situation. I'm sure most people are pretty happy for him, hell I wish I could have been good enough at something to make a D1 football team. But this isn't his Facebook wall or Twitter account, its the place where we go to discuss. So the fact that the overall attitude of the thread is confusion is pretty understandable.
a place where you don't need to login to see the comments. A place that is tracked by Google. If you Googled your name and it said "Who is this guy? He doesn't merit a scholarship," it would piss you off a bit, no? Be happy for the kid and know that it was the right decision because it was made by the head football coach at the University of Michigan, FERGODSAKES.
I am thrilled for the kid. I remember the day I received my acceptance letter and ran around my house screaming and hollering.
The fact remains that this is a Michigan sports blog, where we are 100% allowed to question and comment on every minute detail we deem important enough to discuss. If anything, I hope this motivates him to become, you know, better and spinning perfect spiral backwards. But if this really did piss him off, he may need some thicker skin. We are not questioning this young man of not being any good at his craft, which I am sure he is fantastic at doing. We are questioning why the staff felt a pressing need to give a full scholarship, you know, roughly $160,000 of tuition money (out of state, roughly 40k....) and a spot on the team to a long snapper when other roster holes may be of much greater importance.
I read it. I just think you are assuming a lot by saying that this was a bad decision. I can pretty much guarantee that the coaches have a plan. It has been an excellent plan so far. You should probably just relax and let them do their jobs. Also, remember that even though you can hide behind your screen name, these kids read your posts, too.
otherwise the only time you hear about them is when they screw up.
Unless they somehow magically end up with the ball and a first down after a botched field goal attempt amidst a collective "What just happened? Who is that guy?" from the fanbase.
He said he went to 9 games last year. I'm jealous.
Congrats to him. Surprising offer, but we aren't hurting too bad for other positions. Hope he does a good job throwing the ball backwards.
Really guys, I don't get the fuss. The staff just got to 20 scholarship committments. If there was ever a time to give a kid like this a scholarship, then this is it. More yet, clearly they think they are in 100% luxury recruitment mode. I'm sure they'll use the rest of the commitments differently. But I see no reason to be anything but trusting in the coaches and proud to have another future scholarship athlete in the family.
Don't try to dissuade me from this notion. My fingers are already in my ears and I'm shouting lalalalala as loud as I can.
...was great as it was, but imagine what it had been like with a long snapper like Scott Syp. Will had better practice catching the damn ball!
Ok, I get it. He snaps it, runs back and catches it, then punts for a 55 yard average. He must be a solid FG kicker too. Money from inside 55 yards. Magic number, that 55 is.
Woke up with hopes of a Cravens commitment. I'll see you a 5* safety and raise you an unknown long snapper. I......can.....barely........contain.......my excite.....ment.......
If you woke up with solid hopes of a Cravens commitment, then you're either an idiot or delusional. Maybe both. Cravens was never coming here, and him not even visiting us before announcing should have made that painfully obvious
The question is: can he get a first down as an eligible receiver on a botched field goal attempt in which the holder throws the ball up blindly and it bounces off a defensive lineman's shoulder into his general vicinity?
I'd rather have another scholarship quarterback. George Morales was our last (1 year) scholarship LS and he never even won the job.
I'd rather have Bobby Boucher, or some other kid to provide players with some high quality H2O.
It can't be an academic schollie because applications for the '13 class can't even be submitted yet.
so we have 3 kickers on scholie and a long snapper???? I can see 2 scholies being used for ST but 4 for 3 positions?
Could another player potentially not be coming back and we just don't know yet? I have a feeling that is the case and this info will be released soon.
We currently only have 20 openings and we're expected to sign 23-24 so one player isn't going to move the needle.
How exactly would one player not move the needle? If we are expected to take 23-24 and the coaches know what we do not know how would that not move the needle?
Because we're already anticipating losing 3-4 players. If one player is on his way out that's built in to the 3-4 number.
and I've never seen a walk-on on our commit last like that so I have to assume he is a scholarship player. Why....I don't know.
Congrats to him obviously, but something tells me that a guy without a rivals profile might've just taken the walk-on offer
sees fit to offer a scholly to a long snapper than FERGODSAKES you better back him up on it or you will be pointed at by all his ten fingers and toes!! That much pointing will kill any mortal man so tread softly my friends....tread softly.
there has to be someone leavng that we just haven't heard about yet. and if not oh well I trust hoke and crew
does not mean we need to add a LS.
Doesn't make sense to me, but what do I know.
I get it. Only 5* from here on.
Does not compute.
I just hope we've got room for some skill guys so my Sypniewski is snapping to our field goal kicker, not our Punter..
I'm hoping our 5* long snapper is snapping to our placeholder and not our fg kicker.
He's so good at long-snapping you don't even need a placeholder. Ball will land propped up and we can have an extra man on the field for blocking.
But since we all know commits come in pairs, should we be buckled up right now?
And often for the same position. Can you imagine the board meltdown if that were to happen??
Please trust the coaches and stop freaking out people. Welcome aboard Scott Go Blue
I trust the coaches, but it's hard to understand this one.
There has to be reasoning behind this that we don't see. Trust the Hoke.
This guy isn't even in the Rivals databse. Michigan's class lists him twice because they're scrambling trying to get him on the database.
Well, a little strange to see a LS get a scholarship. But welcome! GO BLUE!
I am excited about this scholarship offer. All it shows me is that the coaches know they have hit nearly every spot of need and are looking to polish the team by having no errors on special teams. While it certainly isn't a glamour position, the impact that good LS have on a game can be invaluable. With one scholarship, we secured this faction of our special teams for the next coming years. Check out the reviews on him, they are all glowing. As for another recruit getting this scholly, the coaches know much more than we do. Either there is extra attrition, or we are not in good shape with prospects who they value higher than this LS. Nothing about this bugs me
You say that now. However, if Michigan has to turn away a highly rated WR or DB, because of this... well, I think it will bug you, just like the rest of us.
Why not wait? Why the rush to offer him? Was another BCS school going to steal him from Michigan?
This isn't about the kid, we all wish him well. It's about the limited spots, that Michigan has available. As a Lions fan, I have seen this type of head scratching move, many times on draft day. I trust Hoke, however, this is... odd.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Well maybe he can snap the ball like Zak DeOssie, has hands like Treadwell and speed like Denard but faster.
Thanks, Fred. Good to hear from you, as always.
With the spots that are left, what now? A spot is reserved for LT. Which of the following, get the last spot or spots?
CB Leon McQuay
WR Alvin Bailey
RB Derrick Green
DE Joe Mathis
We now currently sit at 86 players for 2013. We are still looking to take 3 or 4 guys. That would put us at 89 or 90.
When looking at the breakdown, I don't see a single position besides maybe LB where we could not renew a fifth year senior. Honestly, I think attrition of 4 or 5 will be pretty high especially with family atmosphere Hoke has instilled.
I just hope we don't get negged for "oversigning" and have 87 or 88 players when next fall rolls around.
LT... hmmm... Laremy Tunsil ?!!!!
We're in on far too many quality skill players of actual need to have spent this scholarship this way. If it were December, I could see it, but not now. It's June, for God's sake. Indiana doesn't even have a commit. There's plenty of time for long snappers.
It's odd to all of us, but Hoke has pulled in more 4-star guys than the rest of the board combined and is privy to team info that none of us are, so to the extent that he's earned our trust, I'm gonna trust that he knows what's best for the team. It's not like he was 'Damnit! I was hoping that guy wouldn't accept the offer!', right?
So some of you figure Hoke threw away a scholarship on some unknown snapper? Well, take some solace in knowing it could have been worse. Petrino threw away his JOB on some unknown snapper.
The MGoMasses have lauded Hoke for his choice of Asst. Coaches, h is first recruiting class, his first season as Coach and thus far, a stellar 2013 class. Why should we now doubt a scholarship to a position of little depth, great importance and as defined by Hoke, a position of scholarship value? I for one, do not.
I don't want to knock the kid, but was giving him a full scholarship entirely necessary? Why not give him a preferred walk-on?
The way I see this now, it just gives us one less spot to take a Laquon Treadwell, or a Leon McQuay III. In the end, I can't complain too much about this class, and the coaches know a lot more about what they're doing than I do. But in my limited knowledge of recruiting, giving this kid anything other than a preferred walk-on position was a mistake.
is listed twice on Michigans commits for Rivals
It's not like they offered Tard McCoy. I'm pretty sure he would flip with the only other listed offer from Bethune-Cook. The internet would asplode!
and yes, I love the name: Tard McCoy. Watch out Turd, this kid may replace you on the all-name team.
I just don't understand why a preferred walk-on couldnt do this job.
Perhaps the coaches feel that a .69 second snap that appears to be consistently accurate may provide a special teams advantage for punts and field goals. After all, it's got to be pretty difficult to block a kick if it's snapped and kicked before the Defense can take 3 steps.
walk-on < .75 D2 or D1 schollie < .69 Hoke schollie to UM.
It's also going to give the return man more time on every single punt, which doesn't seem like a good trade-off given that so few punts are blocked as it is. In terms of total field position, an ultra-quick long-snapper would likely be a negative imo.
the sooner the linemen can release on a punt. The most damage I've seen on punts results from broken lane assignments or the punter outkicking coverage; never seen a snap too quick that results in a negative for the coverage team (at least not in my 44 years of watching and 5 yrs of PT.) And I really don't see any downside on PATs and FGs. Just my opinion.
After upping the ante in the LS arms race stealing our last walkon with a schollie.
Another visit to the boards, another confirmation that the idiocracy is still in full force. I am positive that Hoke knows 100x more than all of you about the particulars of college football in this day and age, and about 1000x more than you all about the particulars of the Michigan football program in this day and age. Yet I visit here only to find that most everyone thinks they know more than Hoke and company. All the while passively dissing our newest wolverine, a high school kid. I'm sure Brian would approve. And I'm sure Hoke would be ashamed.
Well, I am ashamed of your sanctimonious ass.
Nothing like reading a bunch of arm chaired quarterbacks.
What's up with all the down votes on posts on this site? I didn't realize to be a Michigan fan and post on a forum you had to not be redundant. Seriously guys some people just read something on the web and post it, my bad I didn't go read through all the prior posts to make sure it was not said yet.
If somebody is trying to help contribute to the community, which I have, there is no need to be a dick. I don't even see all this downvote garbage on buckeye forums.
Dreaded double post ftw
You can sit there and say Hoke knows more about football, and there very well may be info that we are not yet aware of, but if not, there is absolutely no way to justify this move.
Using one of our few remaining schollies on a snapper does seem perplexing on the surface. So, perhaps there are less easily seen motives for this choice. eg if a coach--like any other "boss"-- tends to choose subordinates with characteristics similar to his own, then I would expect Hoke to choose someone with a lot of emotional intelligence. So, look again at the recruiting guru's snappy description of this snapper:
Tremendous personality. Does a great job of improving every single time. Great worker and will be a great teammate to those around him.
Then, ask yourself: if you were a 2014 recruit, what factors might motivate you to join UM? Certainly the quantity of 5* athletes could be a positive, given that it makes team success more likely. Yet, more recruits seemingly give "family atmosphere" or "fitting in" or as a reason for their school choices.Thus, in college--more so than in pro sports where "recruits" are merely drafted--the social aspect of the team may be more important.
Also, when one chooses high character kids, it is less likely that others--including the sometimes entitled 5* athletes--will follow their peers and get into trouble. What good is a 5* if he gets kicked off the team?
Likewise, what good is a 5* if he gets caught by the NCAA for cheating? Would you even want the #1 recruit in the nation, if you knew he would turn into Terrelle Pryor? Maybe, maybe not. But, clearly, the quality of a kids character can help reflect the public image of the team.
Finally, given the fallibility of recruiting rankings, ask yourself: are such rankings the sole--or even the major determinant of team success? If not, then, considering the kid's personality--and not skills alone---may do something that the recruit's rankings do not--ie improve team spirit. Thus, while the quality of the players is certainly important, the quality of the men is too. So, maybe Brady Hoke asked himself: What is most important to team success? And maybe he heard Bo's voice say: "The team!The team! The team!".