so much for that
Hello: Reon Dawson
January 15th, 2013 at 3:41 AM | 
You have a strange definition
You have a strange definition
January 15th, 2013 at 4:47 AM |
When speaking about recruits,
When speaking about recruits,
When speaking about recruits, the only meaningful definition of "elite" is their recruiting ranking. Cullen Christian was the #3 CB to Scout and the #8 CB to Rivals. By way of contrast, Blake Countess was the #20 CB to Scout and the #10 CB to Rivals, and Terry Richardson was the #14 CB to Scout and the #18 CB to Rivals.
It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. One CB, Cullen Christian, was top-10 at his position according to the two most reputable recruiting services. Only one of the other two cracked the top-10, and he only did so on one recruiting site.
Your point about production is irrelevant.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:42 AM |
Recruiting rankings
Recruiting rankings
We've all learned by now that recruiting rankings are a set in stone way of judging how a players career is going to be...NOT!
Not everyone can be a five star in the eyes of these services..and many times they aren't bc they don't hit the camp circuit or play in the site sponsored all-star game. With a lot of hokes recruits they've been committed long before the camp circuit and choose not to go bc they're already firm in their commitments to play for us. Elite is all in the eye of the beholder.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:45 AM |
Listen Garth, the Jake Ryans
Listen Garth, the Jake Ryans
Listen Garth, the Jake Ryans of the world are few and far between. And elite is not in the eye of the beholder, despite what your mother tells you. It has been well-established here and elsewhere that recruiting rankings are reliable predictors of talent.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:27 AM |
You can't count the 2011
You can't count the 2011
You can't count the 2011 class against Hoke and Co. The guy had about three weeks to convince people to play for him. Elite guys generally take more than three weeks to convince. I'll give you the 2012 and 2013 classes as being entirely Hoke's (although the jury's still out on whether any elite players came from those classes).
January 15th, 2013 at 10:45 AM |
I dunno why...
I dunno why...
but a handful of people have been flipping shit the last few days that the '12 and '13 classes not being good. After all, the '12 class has yet to dominate the B1G, and there are a number of targets from the '13 class that Michigan DIDN'T get.
This is why I drink.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:55 AM |
Speaking for myself only, I'm
Speaking for myself only, I'm
Speaking for myself only, I'm not "flipping shit," but I am disappointed that Hoke hasn't pulled a single elite receiver in two (and a half) recruiting classes. Heck, he hasn't even gotten a top-25 guy to commit. Also, signing four cornerbacks, three of which are pretty meh is a bit puzzling.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:49 AM |
I'll give concede your point
I'll give concede your point
I'll give concede your point re: 2011 not being on Hoke. However, the jury is not out with respect to whether certain recruits were elite. They either were or weren't elite coming out of high school. We can debate what defines an elite recruit, but once that matter's settled, the issue of who is and isn't an elite recruit doesn't require waiting to see their college performance.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:04 AM |
Again
Again
This is why I drink.
It isn't just a matter of where to draw the line on "elite." It's what you LOOK FOR to define elite. Sure, it's nice to have a bright shiny 5-star rating on Scout. But there are middling 4-stars with offers from everyone under the sun, and most of them would be considered fantastic gets by pretty much everyone not worried about the final averages. Besides, most of us would like to at least see these kids play some meaningful snaps before judging their eliteness.
Now, with that said.. have you even SEEN the recruiting rankings? EVERYONE considers this class to be among the best in the country, with every service giving Michigan at least 16 (!!!) four- or five-stars. Derrick Green would give Michigan four 5-stars on Scout.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:48 AM |
Okay, well I'm not sure what
Okay, well I'm not sure what
Okay, well I'm not sure what you're looking for with the term "elite" but both Terry Richardson and Jourdan Lewis are top-100 prospects to ESPN, if I recall correctly. And both were all-American game participants. So if that counts, then there you have it. They're not consensus 5-stars or anything, but they're pretty highly rated.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:34 PM |
No disputing that there are a
No disputing that there are a
No disputing that there are a lot of highly rated recruits in this year's class or that this year's class is good overall. The frustration I'm expressing is over the fact that Hoke and Co. are pulling in elite talent at linebacker, on the O an D lines, at QB, and at RB, but they're still whiffing on elite prospects at other key positions (particularly WR). Additionally, as I mentioned before, signing three meh CBs doesn't make much sense to me. It's spaghetti on the wall recruiting, which I don't think works in the long run.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:53 PM |
Games are won in the
Games are won in the
Games are won in the trenches. I agree that it's a little bit frustrating regarding wide receivers and such, but a good offensive line and a good defensive line can make your team pretty good immediately. Wisconsin has done a good job up front without a ton of skill talent, and that's worked out pretty well for them in recent years. Stanford developed a good line and tight ends, got a good QB, and the wide receivers haven't really mattered.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:52 PM |
Uh...
Uh...
The frustration I'm expressing is over the fact that Hoke and Co. are pulling in elite talent at linebacker, on the O an D lines, at QB, and at RB, but...
You do realize that you just started your lament with "I know Michigan is pulling in elite talent at 64% of defensive positions and about 72% of offensive positions, BUT..."
Unless you were following that with "...but they continue to feast on the bones of the villagers," then whatever gripes you have about recruiting are ridiculous.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:50 AM |
A bird in hand is worth two
A bird in hand is worth two
A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. We can still take an elite corner or two in 2014.
We should all realize by this point that one or two of these corners will probably be gone by 2015. Spots open up all the time due to injury, unhappiness, grades, etc.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:40 PM |
Congratulations and welcome
Congratulations and welcome
Congratulations and welcome aboard young man. Glad you chose Michigan.
"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
January 14th, 2013 at 10:45 PM |
Love the size!!! Welcome and
Love the size!!! Welcome and
Love the size!!! Welcome and go blue!!!
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January 14th, 2013 at 11:21 PM |
Thats
Thats
.......what she said
January 14th, 2013 at 11:26 PM |
I'm beginning to like this
I'm beginning to like this
I'm beginning to like this chuckwoodson2 guy..
If you don't like Michigan you are a peasant
January 15th, 2013 at 11:49 AM |
Agreed, but for questioning a
Agreed, but for questioning a
Agreed, but for questioning a recruit's character. But he'll recover from that one next month and likely have a long and prosperous MGoCareer.
Disgruntled former moderator. I got a lot of problems with you people!
January 14th, 2013 at 10:46 PM |
Whats the scouting report on
Whats the scouting report on
Whats the scouting report on this kid? Why is he ranked so low? I don't care about stars just want to know why he is so under the radar,especially being 6'2. Is he slow? Did he not hit the camp circuit?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:51 PM |
Not sure...BUT
Not sure...BUT
We once "stole" a Trotwood-Madison kid from a B1G school.
He was listed at 6'1 1/2, 186 and was the #86 ranked WR.
His name was Roy Roundtree.
Not bad?
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
January 15th, 2013 at 6:26 AM |
I think Roy was closer to 160
I think Roy was closer to 160
I think Roy was closer to 160 pounds as a freshman - may be barely 185 now.
jbibiza
January 14th, 2013 at 10:58 PM |
Hasn't played football for
Hasn't played football for
Hasn't played football for very long. No camps. Raw technique wise. Very good athlete. Has the raw tools to be a pretty good player with some experience.
At worst a special teams demon.
I always thought he would be a pretty good free safety though. Not that him eventually being a FS would be a bad thing. UM has been looking for one of those for what? A decade or two?
I always liked the idea of filling out a class with athletic DB's and LB's for the coverage teams to avoid things happening like Sanders, Ace.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:48 PM |
I assume this pushes Hunt from this class. Derrick Green
I assume this pushes Hunt from this class. Derrick Green
for the last spot and that'll be the end of this class.
Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:57 PM |
Depends
Depends
Many people believe we'll take 28 players in this class.
That's two more spots - so you're down to Green, Hunt and the new TE from Texas (Smythe) for those two spots.
Others believe the long snapper (Spyneiwski) may have conditions on his offer - if this is true, you're talking 28 or 29 spots depending on your belief in the first assumption.
Personally, I think 28 is the number. I'm just not sold we'll even get the opportunity to take 28. I think we get Green and it'll be tougher to secure one of the last two.
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
January 14th, 2013 at 11:12 PM |
Agree
Agree
except considering how Smythe's name just popped up again, another new possibility or two wouldn't surprise me. Sam Webb has been hinting the class could get to 29. Maybe he knows something about those possible conditions.
Eating is murder.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:22 PM |
Maybe he knows something about those possible conditions.
Maybe he knows something about those possible conditions.
Maybe getting to 29 is based on further attrition.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:44 AM |
29
29
Unfortunately, I think this is probably the most likely explanation. (Of course, I think that based on nothing).
"You will suffer humiliation when the team from my area defeats the team from your area." -- The Onion
January 15th, 2013 at 9:18 AM |
No word on Hagerup yet AFAIK,
No word on Hagerup yet AFAIK,
No word on Hagerup yet AFAIK, but it wouldn't be a stretch to assume he's going to be shown the door.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:01 AM |
Agreed.
Agreed.
Seems that enough new names have been coming into play, and there's always signing day drama, such as the Norfleet thing last year, and you never want to turn away a player like that.
So it goes.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:22 AM |
there's always signing day drama,
there's always signing day drama,
I predict that we will have at least one surprise decommit at the last minute, and he'll be replaced by somebody not currently very prominent on our radar.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:50 PM |
Welcome aboard Reon
Welcome aboard Reon
Welcome aboard Reon
"The goal, the expectation of this program is the Big Ten Championship"
January 14th, 2013 at 10:50 PM |
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January 15th, 2013 at 1:57 AM |
I don't get it
I don't get it
Anybody?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:50 PM |
Damn, caught without my
Damn, caught without my
Damn, caught without my seatbelt on!! GO BLUE!!
January 14th, 2013 at 10:51 PM |
Welcome to the family, good
Welcome to the family, good
Welcome to the family, good sir. You're in good hands with Mallory and Mattison.
It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk
January 14th, 2013 at 10:57 PM |
Good luck...
Good luck...
...work hard and be diligent in both training and your studies. Fair winds to you, fair sir!!
January 14th, 2013 at 10:56 PM |
One of us! One of us!
One of us! One of us!
I like how he stays deep enough and moves fast enough to not get beat, and adjusts to the play. Too many times this year I've seen guys line up too close, wait till the WR has a 5 yard head of steam to really move, and then scramble after they get beat deep. Other times we've had some blown zone coverages where guys leave their man and find acres of space in the middle, and I think Reon won't be as susceptible to that. He isn't the most aggresive tackler, actually he's not a very good tackler, or blazing fast, but he's 6'2", he's a willing tackler, and he's pretty instinctive. I think he's gonna buy our front enough time to get to the qb.
How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon
January 14th, 2013 at 10:57 PM |
He is
He is
A very fluid athlete in the video, not a great tackler tho. I would guess he just got overshadowed by burrows, cause he looks pretty good to my eyes.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:08 PM |
Not a bad secondary...
Not a bad secondary...
Two 6'2 CBs going to Michigan and Ohio.
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
January 14th, 2013 at 10:58 PM |
Great
Great
Great news. Now we just need to wait for the 26th. Mr Green please go blue.
THIS IS MICHIGAN
January 14th, 2013 at 11:00 PM |
it's always nice to get a
it's always nice to get a
it's always nice to get a tall DB
January 14th, 2013 at 11:06 PM |
One Dawson to another
One Dawson to another
@DawsDaws_1 welcome to the family and we might be family Haha,#GoBlue
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January 14th, 2013 at 11:10 PM |
Awesome!
Awesome!
Welcome to the fam, and may you be another Charles Woodson!
"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt
January 14th, 2013 at 11:17 PM |
Green visiting AU
Green visiting AU
Is green visiting Auburn this weekend???
January 14th, 2013 at 11:28 PM |
Supposedly
Supposedly
No. Unless something changed, but i don't think so.
Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal
January 14th, 2013 at 11:33 PM |
I seen it retweeted from yesterday
I seen it retweeted from yesterday
We can't lose him to AU!!!!
January 14th, 2013 at 11:38 PM |
The last thing I read was
The last thing I read was
The last thing I read was last weekend when Green's mother said they were not planning on visiting Auburn anymore. Said they'd been 5 or 6 times and there was nothing left to see.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:41 PM |
I hope so
I hope so
Hopefully Hoke & Jackson sealed the deal tonight
January 14th, 2013 at 11:52 PM |
You "seen" it? You also
You "seen" it? You also
You "seen" it? You also haven't "seen" the inside of a book.
You have a strange definition of the word elite if you consider Cullen Christian elite and Blake Countess and Jordan Lewis are midling recruits. I think they were/are both ranked higher than Cullen Christian ever was.
Not to mention that Blake Countess has produced more on the field in one year more than Turner or Cullen Christian have combined.