According to the Twitter account of Allen Trieu:
is there such a thing as an etsy genuis? if so, this is it.
I'm thinking Walton.
Sam Webb dropped his name several times this morning. So... yeah.
Is our 2013 class pretty much done now with 4 commitments already?
If it's McGary, I will run around naked for hours.
That's funny. I've often used this promise over the years when assessing the commitment-potential of high-visibility recruits.
Oh Mr. Daniels, you are such a good game day friend, just not a good person to know the next day...
Who else is on our radar?
If it is 2013 I'm guessing it is one of the three point guards.
it's Alex Legion.
Wow - the Noah's Ark method of recruiting now extends to basketball. Great pickup. It's a blow to Izzo as well.
This is fantastic! After what Sam Webb said this morning, I thought we might lose Walton. But now two straight top-100 recruits have told Izzo to shove it. Beilein's strategy of getting in on these kids early is really paying off.
EDIT: I have to wonder if once Beilein learned that Walton might visit MSU that he told him he'd pull his U-M offer if Walton went ahead with the visit. Given that Izzo played games with Walton on his last visit, withholding an offer that Walton thought was coming because Walton didn't express sufficient enthusiasm on the visit, maybe Walton didn't want to take a chance on going to East Lansing and leaving empty-handed again—and without a Michigan offer to boot. Pure speculation, but it does seem to me that if Izzo really wanted Walton at MSU, he handled this very poorly.
There's no way in hell Beilen did that. You really think Beilen would tell an uncommited recruit that he'll pull his offer for visiting a school? This is completely different than a commit visiting other places, which is still fine IMO and nowhere near grounds to pull a schollie, the kid is allowed to visit wherever he wants. The kid had been recruited hard by Michigan for a while,and even if you look at his twitter, he seemed to be really pumped when Irvin commited. This was all Walton on his own commiting.
So, it's a pure coincidence that Walton was scheduled to visit MSU tomorrow and then suddenly instead commits to Michigan?
All I was doing was speculating, and I said so. You say: "This was all Walton on his committing." Do you have a link to a source that backs that up or do you know him personally? If not, all you're doing is speculating as well.
Usually in cases like this, what really happened never becomes public or is only revealed years later. I'll be interested to hear whether Sam Webb has any insights on this tomorrow morning.
One final thing: You say that commits visiting other schools is fine. Brady Hoke, for one, disagrees.
IMO, Sherron Dorsey Walker setting his announcement for this week may have been more of a catalyst for Walton than his impending visit to State.
That's certainly a possibility—and I like your use of the word catalyst. As I said below, there's a good chance that something happened to persuade Walton to alter his plans.
There's an interesting twist here, one that may support your theory. I just did a Twitter search of "Dorsey-Walker" and found this recent tweet from HeardThisBlog:
Sherron Dorsey-Walker will be holding off on making a decision until he makes his five official visits. Those five are unknown.
Warning! More Wild Speculating: Perhaps Dorsey-Walker was about to commit to Michigan and either Walton took his spot or Dorsey-Walker has decided to reevaluate based on the commitments of both Irvin and Walton.
Can you give me a link that says Walton was supposed to visit tomorrow? I've heard sometime this week, but not tomorrow.
And the difference between my speculation and yours is you just seemingly pulled the idea of Beilen threatening to pull his schoolie out of your ass. Mine is based on the fact that Walton has liked Michigan for a while, the fact that the class is closing up and if he wanted to commit he'd have to do it soon, the fact that Walton has insanely siked about Irvin commiting yesterday, etc.
Also, I never said that it was pure coincidence that Walton commited right when MSU came calling.
Earlier this year, an OL from Ohio named Kyle Dodson got an offer from OSU, and then set a date for his announcement. Most people assumed that meant he was going to OSU, but he surprised most and went to Wisky instead. He essentailly told OSU to fuck off for offering him so late and then thinking they had a legit shot. Maybe Walton is doing the same.
Or maybe he realized MSU coming for him meant his recruiting was about to blow up, and he knew he wanted to be a Wolverine, so he commited now to prevent a ton of extra calls from coaches.
Or maybe it is coincidence. All of this is speculation. Who knows if it's true. But your speculation that Beilen threatened to pull his schollie has no backbone to it whatsoever. Has Beilen ever been known to do that before? Has any coach? I'm assuming Walton commited on his own because that's the normal things for recruits to do, commit on by their own doing. Maybe there's some pressure from a coach, but nothing like pulling a schollie. And until I hear differently, I'm assuming just that, the norm.
And I realize Hoke feels differently. That's why I said IMO, in my opinion. I disagree with him and think he's wrong. That's irrelevant right noe though.
You make a lot of good posts, but that Beilein speculation is nuts.
When he got his UM offer Walton said he would probably announce in August, no coincidence that he announced on August 1.
It was a wild bit of speculating, yes, but it's based in part on Sam Webb's statement this morning that Beilein was going to have to respond in some way to MSU's late charge. My real point was that it's possible that Beilein said something to Walton to get him to not visit MSU. That Walton was planning to visit MSU tomorrow is straight from the front page post at umhoops.com:
Walton is also a signature recruit for John Beilein and his staff in the state of Michigan. The timing of Walton’s commitment is no coincidence as he was scheduled to visit East Lansing tomorrow afternoon and was extremely likely to add a Michigan State offer – in a similar fashion to Denzel Valentine and Matt Costello last summer.
Walton didn't really need Beilein to point this out, but Irvin's commitment meant there was only going to be room for him or SDW, not both.
I think that what Sam meant was that Beilein was going to have to win a recruiting battle with MSU. I doubt he was suggesting any "Hail Mary" recruiting tactics.
This is a HUGE pickup. Top 100 on Rivals, ESPN and scout. Also, for fun, Izzo was making a hard push for him to visit this week (and likely get offered).
Beautiful. Welcome, Derrick. I don't know much about basketball recruits, so I'll wait for the Hello: post, but I know Sam Webb was saying that Izzo was turning up the heat on Walton, and he's a high ranked guy. Good choice, Derrick!
I went to school with Demetrius Jackson and I wanted him to go Blue really badly. Ah oh well, congrats to Derrik Walton and hopefully he kicks some ass when he makes it to AA.
In that vein:
"I spoke with Tom Izzo and he said he liked how I was playing and he asked me if it was too late to get in on my recruitment and I said yes it is too late'
He's from my high school. I know teachers who can't say enough good things about this kid. I'm very excited about these recruits.
break Izzo. You might as well get used to it.
Coach Izzo, get the fuck off our recruits.
Needs moar lloyd brady
Quick question.. I haven't been following basketball recruiting as heavily as far as numbers go, but does this affect McGary's recruitment at all (I realize not by position, but by number of scholarships available)? I'm thinking we were looking for one 2013 PG as well as McGary, but I guess I'm looking for clarification.
Either way.. Beilein's definitely got his mojo kickin'.
I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't think this would effect McGary in the slightest. McGary is 2012 and a PF, so I don't see why it would.
We would still take McGary. We have 1 slot open for 2012 right now. 2013 is when it would get interesting numbers-wise; we're 2 over right now.
Obviously it's already been said, but all it would take is Blake McLimans not getting a 5th year (assured), Tim Hardaway Jr. leaving prior to his senior year (quite possible) and Austin Hatch joining the team either in 2014 or on a permanent medical scholarship (somewhat possible) to get us to a total of 12 scholarships for 2013. The last one would suck but it's not out of the realm of possibility that Hatch sadly never plays again, and his long term health is more important that anything, just like Ben Cronin.
Front page me.
I haven't heard much from McGary. Does Michigan have a legitimate shot at him? His offer list is beyond impressive.
He would be a huge get. I hope he's genuinely interested in Michigan.
McGary is AAU teammate and friend of 2012 UofM recruit Glen Robinson III. Also, he's from the same school as Zach Novak, and Novak was a sort of mentor to McGary when he was a senior there
McGary has stressed academics among other things that would all fit the Michigan experience. when Irvin committed yesterday, he immediately tweeted McGary saying he should come to UofM too
So, our chances may be small, but we have a chance, mores than we would otherwise have.
McGary's likely a one and done in the 2012 class.
And not many people see THJ sticking around past his Junior year. Though his dad did four at UTEP and it's not like THJ needs the money, so maybe we cross our fingers and hope for an awkward 2013!
Once Again, not a basketball expert, but I think it normally would, but with Austin Hatch's unfortunate situation, it might not.
I read that there are 3 things to consider
1) Austin Hatch's situation (he also, might be moved to the 201...3(?) class)
2) THJ early draft entry, next year or the year after that
3) McLimans and his 5th year
1) Obviously most important is Hatch's full recovery. But from what I've heard, he might have to move to the 2014 class if he does recover enough to play.
2)THJ I don't know a ton about when he will leave, so I'm not going to say anything there, but he is a person to watch.
3) I've read a little on McLimans, and I've heard he might not get his schollie renewed for his 5th year, but we'll see.
Technically we have two more players than available scholarships for 2013, but there are plenty of scenarios to open up spots for these two, and maybe even one more.
THJ could leave for the NBA after his junior year
Mitch could be one and done, so if he did commit he would only use a scholarship from 2012 (one available) and not affect 2013
Blake McLimans could not be asked back for a fifth year
Some other player could either get pissed about playing time and transfer or have a breakout year and jump to the NBA (Ex: Darius Morris)
This is my least favorite scenario but sadly a possibility, if Austin Hatch would not be able to use the basketball scholarship.
momentum building right now, keep it rolling sir.
Great pick up! We're building a solid base for long-term success!
with recruiting. Beilein and staff are working harder and smarter right now in identifying talent early and developing a relationship with them. Izzo can now hear clearly the Beilein steps right behind him.
We beat them twice last year, had a better regular season, and went deeper into the NCAA tournament. Just about every pre-season ranking I've seen has us ranked ahead of MSU next year.
If anything the folks in East Lansing are already playing catch-up at this point.
Well, let's not get too carried away. MSU's senior class has been to two Final Fours. Ours hasn't yet gotten past the round of 32. But we are gaining ground on them. Three years ago we were in this situation with Draymond Green and Izzo swooped in at the last minute and got him. That's not happening anymore.
Matt Costello out of Bay City Western. Nice to see times a changin'.
but we have a long way to go before our basketball program is at that level. No doubt we will have sustained success but let's wait until we make a final four or two before we start thumping our chest about bball towards sparty.