I'm thinking Walton.
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
I'm thinking Walton.
Sam Webb dropped his name several times this morning. So... yeah.
Is our 2013 class pretty much done now with 4 commitments already?
If it's McGary, I will run around naked for hours.
That's funny. I've often used this promise over the years when assessing the commitment-potential of high-visibility recruits.
Oh Mr. Daniels, you are such a good game day friend, just not a good person to know the next day...
Who else is on our radar?
If it is 2013 I'm guessing it is one of the three point guards.
it's Alex Legion.
Wow - the Noah's Ark method of recruiting now extends to basketball. Great pickup. It's a blow to Izzo as well.
This is fantastic! After what Sam Webb said this morning, I thought we might lose Walton. But now two straight top-100 recruits have told Izzo to shove it. Beilein's strategy of getting in on these kids early is really paying off.
EDIT: I have to wonder if once Beilein learned that Walton might visit MSU that he told him he'd pull his U-M offer if Walton went ahead with the visit. Given that Izzo played games with Walton on his last visit, withholding an offer that Walton thought was coming because Walton didn't express sufficient enthusiasm on the visit, maybe Walton didn't want to take a chance on going to East Lansing and leaving empty-handed again—and without a Michigan offer to boot. Pure speculation, but it does seem to me that if Izzo really wanted Walton at MSU, he handled this very poorly.
There's no way in hell Beilen did that. You really think Beilen would tell an uncommited recruit that he'll pull his offer for visiting a school? This is completely different than a commit visiting other places, which is still fine IMO and nowhere near grounds to pull a schollie, the kid is allowed to visit wherever he wants. The kid had been recruited hard by Michigan for a while,and even if you look at his twitter, he seemed to be really pumped when Irvin commited. This was all Walton on his own commiting.
So, it's a pure coincidence that Walton was scheduled to visit MSU tomorrow and then suddenly instead commits to Michigan?
All I was doing was speculating, and I said so. You say: "This was all Walton on his committing." Do you have a link to a source that backs that up or do you know him personally? If not, all you're doing is speculating as well.
Usually in cases like this, what really happened never becomes public or is only revealed years later. I'll be interested to hear whether Sam Webb has any insights on this tomorrow morning.
One final thing: You say that commits visiting other schools is fine. Brady Hoke, for one, disagrees.
IMO, Sherron Dorsey Walker setting his announcement for this week may have been more of a catalyst for Walton than his impending visit to State.
That's certainly a possibility—and I like your use of the word catalyst. As I said below, there's a good chance that something happened to persuade Walton to alter his plans.
There's an interesting twist here, one that may support your theory. I just did a Twitter search of "Dorsey-Walker" and found this recent tweet from HeardThisBlog:
Sherron Dorsey-Walker will be holding off on making a decision until he makes his five official visits. Those five are unknown.
Warning! More Wild Speculating: Perhaps Dorsey-Walker was about to commit to Michigan and either Walton took his spot or Dorsey-Walker has decided to reevaluate based on the commitments of both Irvin and Walton.
Can you give me a link that says Walton was supposed to visit tomorrow? I've heard sometime this week, but not tomorrow.
And the difference between my speculation and yours is you just seemingly pulled the idea of Beilen threatening to pull his schoolie out of your ass. Mine is based on the fact that Walton has liked Michigan for a while, the fact that the class is closing up and if he wanted to commit he'd have to do it soon, the fact that Walton has insanely siked about Irvin commiting yesterday, etc.
Also, I never said that it was pure coincidence that Walton commited right when MSU came calling.
Earlier this year, an OL from Ohio named Kyle Dodson got an offer from OSU, and then set a date for his announcement. Most people assumed that meant he was going to OSU, but he surprised most and went to Wisky instead. He essentailly told OSU to fuck off for offering him so late and then thinking they had a legit shot. Maybe Walton is doing the same.
Or maybe he realized MSU coming for him meant his recruiting was about to blow up, and he knew he wanted to be a Wolverine, so he commited now to prevent a ton of extra calls from coaches.
Or maybe it is coincidence. All of this is speculation. Who knows if it's true. But your speculation that Beilen threatened to pull his schollie has no backbone to it whatsoever. Has Beilen ever been known to do that before? Has any coach? I'm assuming Walton commited on his own because that's the normal things for recruits to do, commit on by their own doing. Maybe there's some pressure from a coach, but nothing like pulling a schollie. And until I hear differently, I'm assuming just that, the norm.
And I realize Hoke feels differently. That's why I said IMO, in my opinion. I disagree with him and think he's wrong. That's irrelevant right noe though.
You make a lot of good posts, but that Beilein speculation is nuts.
When he got his UM offer Walton said he would probably announce in August, no coincidence that he announced on August 1.
It was a wild bit of speculating, yes, but it's based in part on Sam Webb's statement this morning that Beilein was going to have to respond in some way to MSU's late charge. My real point was that it's possible that Beilein said something to Walton to get him to not visit MSU. That Walton was planning to visit MSU tomorrow is straight from the front page post at umhoops.com:
Walton is also a signature recruit for John Beilein and his staff in the state of Michigan. The timing of Walton’s commitment is no coincidence as he was scheduled to visit East Lansing tomorrow afternoon and was extremely likely to add a Michigan State offer – in a similar fashion to Denzel Valentine and Matt Costello last summer.
Walton didn't really need Beilein to point this out, but Irvin's commitment meant there was only going to be room for him or SDW, not both.
I think that what Sam meant was that Beilein was going to have to win a recruiting battle with MSU. I doubt he was suggesting any "Hail Mary" recruiting tactics.
This is a HUGE pickup. Top 100 on Rivals, ESPN and scout. Also, for fun, Izzo was making a hard push for him to visit this week (and likely get offered).
Beautiful. Welcome, Derrick. I don't know much about basketball recruits, so I'll wait for the Hello: post, but I know Sam Webb was saying that Izzo was turning up the heat on Walton, and he's a high ranked guy. Good choice, Derrick!
I went to school with Demetrius Jackson and I wanted him to go Blue really badly. Ah oh well, congrats to Derrik Walton and hopefully he kicks some ass when he makes it to AA.
In that vein:
"I spoke with Tom Izzo and he said he liked how I was playing and he asked me if it was too late to get in on my recruitment and I said yes it is too late'
He's from my high school. I know teachers who can't say enough good things about this kid. I'm very excited about these recruits.
break Izzo. You might as well get used to it.
Coach Izzo, get the fuck off our recruits.
Needs moar lloyd brady
Quick question.. I haven't been following basketball recruiting as heavily as far as numbers go, but does this affect McGary's recruitment at all (I realize not by position, but by number of scholarships available)? I'm thinking we were looking for one 2013 PG as well as McGary, but I guess I'm looking for clarification.
Either way.. Beilein's definitely got his mojo kickin'.
I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't think this would effect McGary in the slightest. McGary is 2012 and a PF, so I don't see why it would.
We would still take McGary. We have 1 slot open for 2012 right now. 2013 is when it would get interesting numbers-wise; we're 2 over right now.
Obviously it's already been said, but all it would take is Blake McLimans not getting a 5th year (assured), Tim Hardaway Jr. leaving prior to his senior year (quite possible) and Austin Hatch joining the team either in 2014 or on a permanent medical scholarship (somewhat possible) to get us to a total of 12 scholarships for 2013. The last one would suck but it's not out of the realm of possibility that Hatch sadly never plays again, and his long term health is more important that anything, just like Ben Cronin.
Front page me.
I haven't heard much from McGary. Does Michigan have a legitimate shot at him? His offer list is beyond impressive.
He would be a huge get. I hope he's genuinely interested in Michigan.
McGary is AAU teammate and friend of 2012 UofM recruit Glen Robinson III. Also, he's from the same school as Zach Novak, and Novak was a sort of mentor to McGary when he was a senior there
McGary has stressed academics among other things that would all fit the Michigan experience. when Irvin committed yesterday, he immediately tweeted McGary saying he should come to UofM too
So, our chances may be small, but we have a chance, mores than we would otherwise have.
McGary's likely a one and done in the 2012 class.
And not many people see THJ sticking around past his Junior year. Though his dad did four at UTEP and it's not like THJ needs the money, so maybe we cross our fingers and hope for an awkward 2013!
Once Again, not a basketball expert, but I think it normally would, but with Austin Hatch's unfortunate situation, it might not.
I read that there are 3 things to consider
1) Austin Hatch's situation (he also, might be moved to the 201...3(?) class)
2) THJ early draft entry, next year or the year after that
3) McLimans and his 5th year
1) Obviously most important is Hatch's full recovery. But from what I've heard, he might have to move to the 2014 class if he does recover enough to play.
2)THJ I don't know a ton about when he will leave, so I'm not going to say anything there, but he is a person to watch.
3) I've read a little on McLimans, and I've heard he might not get his schollie renewed for his 5th year, but we'll see.
Technically we have two more players than available scholarships for 2013, but there are plenty of scenarios to open up spots for these two, and maybe even one more.
THJ could leave for the NBA after his junior year
Mitch could be one and done, so if he did commit he would only use a scholarship from 2012 (one available) and not affect 2013
Blake McLimans could not be asked back for a fifth year
Some other player could either get pissed about playing time and transfer or have a breakout year and jump to the NBA (Ex: Darius Morris)
This is my least favorite scenario but sadly a possibility, if Austin Hatch would not be able to use the basketball scholarship.
momentum building right now, keep it rolling sir.
Great pick up! We're building a solid base for long-term success!
with recruiting. Beilein and staff are working harder and smarter right now in identifying talent early and developing a relationship with them. Izzo can now hear clearly the Beilein steps right behind him.
We beat them twice last year, had a better regular season, and went deeper into the NCAA tournament. Just about every pre-season ranking I've seen has us ranked ahead of MSU next year.
If anything the folks in East Lansing are already playing catch-up at this point.
Well, let's not get too carried away. MSU's senior class has been to two Final Fours. Ours hasn't yet gotten past the round of 32. But we are gaining ground on them. Three years ago we were in this situation with Draymond Green and Izzo swooped in at the last minute and got him. That's not happening anymore.
Matt Costello out of Bay City Western. Nice to see times a changin'.
but we have a long way to go before our basketball program is at that level. No doubt we will have sustained success but let's wait until we make a final four or two before we start thumping our chest about bball towards sparty.
No one said they haven't had a great (probably historic) run or that we haven't been down in the dumps for a long time. The fact remains that right now, at this moment, the stronger program is in Ann Arbor and the current talent on the respective rosters and this recent recruiting haul makes it all the more likely that that will continue.
Right now, UM has a better basketball team than MSU. Its funny how many want to refer to previous seasons as if thats relevent to this seasons results. No one is saying UM has been in MSU class for the last decade or more, but last season and right now UM is better. Thats not pumping chests thats facts based off on court results.
You sound like a typical MSU fan comparing the 2 football teams.
Catch up implies long term not just the current state of things. You would throw up in your mouth if a state fan used your exact words to describe the state of our respective football teams. That is all.
So I haven't spoken or listened to a State fan/grad say anything in years (they don't exist anywhere else). If they had said they had the better football team in the spring of 2008 they would have been right (and no one who remembers the spring game on the high school field could honestly argue with them). If they said it now they would be wrong (in both cases well before results confirm/confirmed the respective state of the two programs). Either way, nothing any juggalo has to say could ever alter my digestion or my opinion of my alma mater.
Dammit, we're going to be reasonable about this? But MSU football fan logic would be so convenient for us right now...
Suppose to have turned into a classic instate battle for his services...not even close. The situation with the bball program is quite promising.
Izz has to be wonderring ...is this the shape of things to come after being swept last season...
My God, the news just keeps getting better every day. Welcome aboar Derrick and Go Blue!
D. Morris getting drafted will most defintely affect this season's team, but man the recruiting benefits that we have gotten because of it makes it more than ok.
Now its time for a blue chip big man to join in on the fun this team is going to have in the coming years. I'm looking at you Mcgary.
I am not familiar with Chandler Park Academy, will this recruit keep the PSL snobs happy?
I would be willing to bet at least 50 of us on this blog have played golf at Chandler Park
Not sure about the PSL snobs, but out of the three 2013 point guards Beilein offered, I preferred Walton not only because he might very well be the best of the three but also because he's from the Detroit area. I'm still hoping Beilein can land Sherron Dorsey-Walker, which would both make the PSL snobs happy and add another sharpshooter to the roster—and you can't have too many of those in Beilein's system.
...are falling are simply falling into our laps...welcome to the Michigan Family DWalton...GO BLUE!
Now call Mcgary up and tell him to pull the trigger...
Holy shit. Our recruiting is turning out to be pretty amazing, if we could somehow sway mcgary we really would have a dominant team for the next few years....
I thought that he was MSU's to lose. I'll gladly eat my crow on this. Wow. Great get!!!
U go to the msu scout board and they say izzo told Walton that he wasn't offering him. Man I love state fans!
"Hey kid, drive over to East Lansing this week so I can tell you we don't want you."
Yep, I'm pretty sure that's how it went down.
john beilein rules. his recruiting is nuts. he doesn't even really have to out-recruit people because he already wins the guys over before anyone else figures out what they've been missing out on
Just gotta keep chipping away at izzo and we'll be back to national prominence again.
I think we should let Beilein worry about the numbers. I was skeptical of him at first, but he's he's proven he knows what he's doing. It's an exciting time to be a Michigan fan for all our sports.
to myself for a while now that ever since Hoke got hired, alot of UofM sports have had some good fortune. I know this is all Belein and im excited about the talent he has been getting. But i cant get out of my head how the MBB team was struggling badly early..then Hoke gets hired(I bitch and moan while watching that we are ND video over and over) then the bball team sweeps state..hockey team almost wins a NC..recruiting is going better then I would ever have beleived in both sports. Hoke really does poop gold..
I'm really happy for Belein though, he took over a program that was pretty much the dumpster of the B1G. It was a rough few years but his hard work is starting to pay off.
Tom Izzo had it too easy for ten years, and it is biting him in the ass now. The bottom line: John Beilein is outworking Tom Izzo.
and I'll say it again: John Beilein has the best eye for under the radar talent in the country
GRIII, Stauskas, Irvin, Walton, Donnal - all have or are set to make big jumps in the recruiting rankings. And Beilein was in on them well before they blew up.
Not to mention Morgan, Hardaway Jr., Novak, & even Darius Morris to some extent. All have been or were better than their recruiting rankings indicated they would be
Smotrycz, too. He was completely off the radar when JB found him and then blew up the next summer.
I don't really follow basketball too closely, so this is a legitimate question and not meant to be "flamebait": Why don't we recruit big people? We had 6'4" guys playing down low last season, so I figured that was just a freak thing that occurred and we would be loading up with 6'10" monster beasts.
You can look at our roster as a reason why: Morgan, McClimans, Horford, Smotrycz, Christian- all will be sophomores. Bielfeldt is an incoming freshman. We've got Donnal in 2013. And we're recruiting McGary for 2012.
And I imagine we're going to add two bigs in the 2014 class. Just speculation on my part though.
You may not familar with him, but thats why everybody wants Mitch McGary (6-10 255, top 5 player nationally). We have a commit from Mark Donnal in the 2013 class. He's 6-9
First and foremost, let me say I'm really happy with the Walton pickup and the strides Coach B is making towards getting the program back to Big Ten and National prominence.
At the same time, let's be realistic. We are bashing Izzo for his recruiting shortcomings? Walton was never a Plan A recruit for Izzo. He has been focused on the likes of Gary Harris, Jabari Parker, James Young, Tyus Jones, and Drake Harris- elite level talent that is top-25 in the nation. So it's not like we stole this guy from MSU.
I think, to establish superiority in the state of Michigan, the next step is to win a heads-up recruiting battle for an elite national talent with Izzo and MSU (and of course continue the on-court success). I don't want guys like Gary Harris dismissing UM for MSU just because its Sparty, you know?
Walton might not have been a "Plan A" recruit for Izzo, but he already took one visit to MSU, was getting pressed hard to take another one (where he more than likely would've received a scholarship offer), & was considered an MSU lock by most recruiting sites. & while he may not be a top 25 guy like those other players you mentioned, he is in the top 100 for Rivals, Scout, & ESPN. So let's not pretend this is someone Izzo wasn't pursuing or didn't care about landing. It's a significant pickup for UM.
I beg to differ. While they are going for those guys they also were recruiting Walton. Drake Harris, Tyus jones are for '14. Not to mention none of gary harris, jabari parker, james young, and drake harris play the point. The only pg that you listed is Tyus Jones and he's not even in the class of 2013. This is most certainly a heads up win. He's a top 100 talent that could end up higher than he already is. According to most sparty's and analysts Walton was spartans #1 pg option this year.
Hey if Walton wasn't Izzo plan A or whateva u r talking about then why did he spend almost the whole entire season coming to Walton high school games. Ok lets be real here like you said, All MSU fans are mad write now because the top elite PG out of MI chose to GO BLUE!!!!!. I really want to know if your kids is are elite players while you downing other people kids because you mad. HAHAHAHa.
Very good get by the UM Coaching staff. Izzo may be kicking himself for not offering early on in the process.
We still have time to land a PG in this class. These kids just completed their sophmore year and probably don't even have their driver's license yet.
Your take seems at odds with that of other MSU fans posting on other sites. They're claiming MSU doesn't need to take a 2013 PG, and so Walton isn't an MSU loss.
I agree with your comment on Izzo. If Walton was a player Izzo truly wanted, then his recruiting strategy in this case was an utter failure.
What about Monte Morris? I remember Sam Webb saying he grew up a big MSU fan.
To a certain extent, they may be right. Right now in the PG pipe, MSU has Wood (Senior), Appling (Soph), Trice (Frosh) and Valentine ('12). I know that Izzo has offered Tyus Jones of 2014, who is an allegedly a long-time state fan. I would be nervous to put all of my eggs in the Tyus Jones basket, so a solid 2013 pickup at PG, such as Walton, could've been great. The staff may ultimately not end up going after any 2013 guards.