Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
Did you ask Spike if you could post bikini pic's of his girlfriend on the internet? You should always do that first.
Please post 247 composite rankings with posts. I thought we established this?
Hoke can't recruit skill positions
Something about selling jerseys in Ohio
It's a rule now.
Welcome back Chris!
What's his latest 40 time? How many fakes are given?
Titus Young elusive reference - Too soon?
Police didn't find Titus Young elusive at all.
Just in time for Ace to create a Chritch McGebber
if we could somehow create Tris Burber. I am pretty sure he would be one of the greatest of all time.
I no longer care how the Fab Five story ends. I just want it to end. Fully embrace them, fully turn them away... I don't care anymore. It just feels strange that we keep punching ourselves in the face with this.
Gold jacket, green jacket- who gives a shit
No apology needed homie, just come help this program take that next step. We have a lot more nets to cut down and banners to raise and we need all of our legends to include the ones before (and after) you to be a part of this process.
how well he will fit in Coach B's system, looks like a good rebounder and shot blocker with a decent jumpshot and very athletic, he should get quite a few minutes.
He tends to accumulate fouls.
This commit had already been posted and discussed. The OP clearly didn't search Usenet discussions long enough. What is happening to Mgoblog?!
I dont believe the relationship between Chris Webber and the university is ever going to be resolved. We're going to have Chris Webber topics on here for another 10 years
I hope that this book of his can end this. Either it will show surprising maturity and acceptance of his mistakes or it will be a self serving tome of bullshit and forever burn his bridges with the fanbase.
The sad reality is that 20 years from now a saga that began with people like Webber getting cash and ends with underage recruits going to strip clubs, SUV rollovers, the FBI kicking down doors, and prejury in front of Congress will still be excused away by some because hey it was some exciting basketball, they were just kids, and we played a good game against Duke.
All I can say to the younger generation is imagine how angry you would be if tomorrow the FBI picked up five guys on the football team for ties to a book maker, Hoke had to resign, we had to give up the Sugar Bowl, and our recruiting class went to shit/even midlevel recruits wouldn't return our calls. We'd all likely be screaming for heads.
I would start a riot in Happy Valley.
I want an apology. Of course most of you yung uns weren't born yet so you don't remember anything.......
EDIT: This was a misplaced post..in response to something else-stupid phone entry. sorry.
Its the school's fault? And Chris was "poor".... Uh...yeah. No apology needed, just do whatever the fuck you want Chris. No consequences necessary, because you are the almighty Chris Webber. Own it, and the dynamic with the people still pissed will change. Be a Man. own it.
That's the thing. Some of us didn't watch Webber play with Michigan. I think this whole thing is stupid and I just wish there was some way it could end.
No apology needed. I want to know how he was given $600K while playing basketball at Michigan and no one could tell. I want to know if this was a story of his dad capitalizing off of a son's fame, a la Cam Newton.
I never fully believed the full Ed Martin story. He was a crook, so that is enough for me to not trust every word coming out his mouth. Too bad he kicked it right before the perjury trial. All I know is the $38K Webber said he took is a far cry from the alleged $280K amount.
But its you who should grow up.
What's Chris Webber saying "I'm sorry" like some 6-year old child going to do?
Move on...it's been over for years. Saying I'm not going to forgive you until you say "sorry" is ridiculous.
Does he have to write that he "will not take money again" on the chalkboard too?
For those who aren't familiar with him or haven't seen him play, here's a great highlight video.
He's like a more athletic McGary.
being just as unstoppable underneath the basket.
both sides do the right thing,...starting with a meeting of the minds...it's a start,aleast.
I have some character concerns about this prospect. There are rumors that he could be troublesome and incur some sanctions against Michigan, and I don't know if he'll stay all four years.
TTB Rating: 37
Word is he has trouble counting to 5...
Whoah! Time out. Don't you think you're being a little to hard on the guy?
A shiny new page on the history of the NCAA infractions including mentioning the expiration of the sanctions on MGoBlue.
Looks like its not complete yet. There is going to be video files of the NCAA conference if you want to relive the pain. Oh joy.
As some one who had to endure a decade of terrible basketball because of him and his bad decisions this not something to celebrate.
I have a lot of anger towards him and what he did. Until he apologizes I don't care what happens to him. He's not welcome back as far as I'm concerned.
The current basketball team and coach who are doing things the right way shouldn't have this constant reminder of how horrible things were. Can we just honor what this new group is doing?
My sentiments exactly.
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but frankly, Chris Webber can go f*ck himself.
Taylor and Bullock too
I hope he takes responsibility for his actions, apologizes, and then reconciles with the program. It's best for everyone that way. There's no need to hold him up as some sort of eternal pariah. We need to move forward with he and the rest of the Fab Five on board.
Why are we giving this topic so much discussion time. After what they did to the basketball program all I want to hear from them is a "I'm sorry". If I don't hear that I don't want to hear anything from them. People can glorify the Fab Five all they want and four of those players deserve every accolade they can get. But Webber? No way. Same for Taylor and Bullock. They ruined this program for years and I will be damned if I am going to open my arms to them. I paid too much in season tickets to watch horrible basketball for me to forgive these guys. Now we have moved on to bigger and better things I would just as well forget them.
The Brian Ellerbee hiring was awful. Tommy Amaker never got the facilities he was promised.
People seem to forget that we had bubble teams during the Amaker years, but we couldn't get in the tourney because of either a weak non-conference schedule or lack of quality conference wins. That was after the sanctions expired.
UK was hit with worse sanctions in the late 80's, but they hired Rick Pitino and had good facilities for that time. And they bounced right back.
I think you're lying to yourself if you say the blame is on the coaches and athletic directors. The players (Webber, Bullock, etc.) CERTAINLY had something to do with the "dark years." I'm not saying they were solely responsible, but they were a factor.
The overzealous self-flagellation committed by the school president, only to have further sanctions imposed.
If we learn one thing from this, it's that cooperation with the NCAA is no good. Whatever a school self-imposes, they will pile even more on. Fight tooth and nail ala OSU tatgate, get a slap on the wrist. Try to anticipate the level of severity they are expecting and meet it, it's only going to get worse.
I think an even better example is Ohio St. Their NCAA violations with Jim O'Brien weren't as notorious because Boban Savović didn't lead a team with all freshmen starters to the Final Four, but they still fired their coach and had postseason ineligibility sanctions due to players receiving pay and academic fraud. But they barely missed a beat because they hired Thad Matta instead of Brian Ellerbe.
Than you ever will. Keep your season tickets and your judgemental attitude. How would you feel if you were judged forever by something you did as a kid. Especially by someone that your mistake had nothing to do with. Youre a fan and alumnus at best, and if those guys taking money or even the sanctions had major effects on your life then you have deeper issues. Those guys have served their time and now its time to welcome them back home...
Chris Webber took money as a kid, and continued taking it after he was legally an adult. And as an adult, he perjured himself in front of a federal grand jury to cover it up.
By telling the truth? We all knew the #1 recruit in the nation took money back then. All #1 recruits in all sports did in those days! Chris lied to protect the university and it almost cost him his freedom in a Marion Jones type fashion. Plus his perjury had nothing to do with the sanctions handed down so why mention it? Man there are a lot of people on this board that live in glass houses.
I'm also admittedly saddened that my tenure as a UM student is now referred to as "those days". Sigh.
There isn't a shred of proof to support your assertion that Webber "lied to protect the university." He did no such thing. Webber's personal actions, by himself and without the direct involvement of anybody having any position with the university, put the university in terrible jeopardy. Webber concealed his wrongdoing from the university. Webber lied. He lied to a grand jury. He committed perjury. Not to protect the university. Webber's silence following his intial attempt at concealment did nothing but hurt the university.
I'd like to see Chris Webber repay a substantial part of what the university lost in legal fees and other costs associated with the NCAA investigation of the basketball scandal.
webber did not comply with the ncaa arrangement that the university, the coaches, the media the conference, etc could earn millions of dollars off of his athletic efforts and national fame and he could not be compensated beyond tuition, housing, etc.
clear violation of ncaa rules but not illegal.
he lied to a grand jury and was convicted of this crime and paid the price.
all of this occurred while he was very young- likely beginning in junior high or younger and ending by his sophmore year in college.
we can celebrate the great player he was and the great team he led (inspite of the fact that there are no official wins). ludicrous to not acknowledge the phenomenal athletic exploits we witnessed. this does not condone everything he did as a young man.
1. I was responding very specifically to the absurd claim that Webber lied "to protect the university." He did no such thing.
2. These threads routinely get started by people wanting to celebrate Webber. Michigan and its fans would do well to ignore Webber. I promise not to complain about Webber, or even mention him, if people will just STFU about Webber.
Welcome back Chris! No apology needed...
Webber will never step foot on the court to help Michigan win or lose a game ever again.
I'm nore interested in if Michigan lands Looney, Bluiett, or Booker.
as acknowledged by stauskas, the exploits of the fab 5 and rose's documentary are still influencing basketball players when considering committing to michigan.
I believe he said the Fab 5, not Chris Webber specifically. The Fab 5 still exists without all this focus on one individual.
Jeez, all these folks on this board who need to project so much pent-up hate, negativity, and anger onto another person. Try living without needing to make someone a target all the time.
Look back and realize: The sanctions weren't really that impactful. Ellerbe damaged the program way, way more simply by sucking. Mix him in with that whole Jamal Crawford mess and then Amaker stinking, and that's what threw Michigan hoops off the map.
Whatever. Get a clue.
Ohio State could figure a way to get him eligible again, if he was one of theirs.
Why do I get the feeling that it's going to be all about Chris Webber and the "glorious past" and not about the present, clean version of Michigan basketball?