...talks about how UConn hasn't been in contact and how they're out. (HT: UMHoops)
Heisman: Klein, Te'o and Manziel Headed to NYC
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 PM | 
I bet
I bet
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 PM |
I bet ND and Bama fans care a
I bet ND and Bama fans care a
I bet ND and Bama fans care a lot.
Well, sure ... the home fans care. But does the rest of the country?
I guess we'll see what the ratings are for the NC game.
My sense is a lot of people are growing tired of Alabama and the SEC winning the championship. That's the risk the SEC runs with being too successful ... and my gut tells me there's a bit of tuning out of the NC chase because of it.
As for the Heisman ... only Manziel has any "buzz" this year. Klein, however good he is, is still a largely faceless player from somewhere in the middle of the country. T'eo is a great defensive linebacker, but his success is measured in what opponents don't do rather than what he does. Tackles and TFLs are all well and good ... but they don't generate the same excitement as a DB taking a pick-6 back 80 yards. Or a DB doing kickoff or punt returns and taking it to the house.
T'eo may well win the Heisman ... but if he does it's because (a) Manziel is a frosh and (b) T'eo is from ND.
Midwestern born and raised ... now living in the heat of the Arizona desert
December 4th, 2012 at 12:40 AM |
Projecting this game to be
Projecting this game to be
Projecting this game to be one of the largest viewed games ever. Yah, I think there is some excitement here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 PM |
From what I recall Woodson
From what I recall Woodson
From what I recall Woodson won the Heisman because he truly was the most outstanding player that year. How many times did he pick the ball off when the opposing team tried to throw the ball his way? A lot.... and at least a few times right in the endzone. Not to mention the ridiculous one handed interception, get the foot in bounds, pick of the throw intended for the 3rd from against State. He made a real impact on special teams also. While his cameos on offense were memorable, I do not think they were relatively as outstanding as his defensive plays. I bet he would still won the Heisman had he not played offense.
I definitely can't see Teo justifiably even coming close to the Heisman. There have been many other dominant linebackers through the years and no one seemed to talk about them seriously.
He's only in consideration because there really isn't anyone else.
I've always believed the Heisman should only be given out the years where it was really deserved. Kinda like our #1 jersey. It should not be given out every year. Of course what would all the talking heads speculate about then?
This year is definitely one of those years that no Heisman should be given out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 PM |
Maybe
Maybe
But I doubt Woodson wins the Heisman without the spectacular plays he made on offense and as a kick returner. Don't forget who he had to beat out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 PM |
So
So
Did Teo go on his morman mission like he was promised when he was recruited?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 PM |
I have wondered about that as
I have wondered about that as
I have wondered about that as well. I thought ALL Mormans were required to go on missions but T'eo did not and I can't imagine he is going to put off the NFL to go on one either. I guess he is just going to wait until he is finished with his pro career before he does his.
We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 PM |
I believe that dealing with
I believe that dealing with
I believe that dealing with Brian Kelly on a daily basis was allowed to count.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:22 AM |
They are not required,
They are not required,
rather strongly encouraged. Also they go from age 19-21. So he won't be doing it in the future.
If an OSU fan divorces his wife are they still brother and sister?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 PM |
so much talent that it did not rest on his shoulders alone
so much talent that it did not rest on his shoulders alone
If you think that Michigan would have even won the Big Ten Championship—let alone the Rose Bowl and the NC—without Woodson, you're crazy.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 PM |
Better Question
Better Question
If Manziel played for a 1 or 2 loss Notre Dame team going to a BCS bowl and Teo played for an undefeated Texas A&M team going to the national championship, who wins the Heisman?
No doubt in my mind it would be Manziel. Teo will win because of the ND connection. Great player, not the best player in college football this year.
BILG
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 PM |
Better Question
Better Question
If Manziel played for a 1 or 2 loss Notre Dame team going to a BCS bowl and Teo played for an undefeated Texas A&M team going to the national championship, who wins the Heisman?
No doubt in my mind it would be Manziel. Teo will win because of the ND connection. Great player, not the best player in college football this year.
BILG
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 PM |
Been arguing this same case
Been arguing this same case
Been arguing this same case for a while. He has the public love, NCG team, he is a Senior and while not the best player (defensive or offensive) in the country the final check is that he plays at a school people still hold in high regard for past glory (great tradition, not a knock but they are not the ND of old). No doubt in my mind Te'o wins it. Won't give it to a RS Freshman with 2 losses and Klein needed a great showing versus Texas and he played well but not like he had earlier in the year. Te'o will become the first primaryily defensive player to win the trophy and nd douches will forever claim the honor because Woodson also returned punts and caught a few balls.
Te'o in a race that isn't as close as most think, IMO, forever cementing this year as the strangest CFB season in my lifetime.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:13 AM |
I actually think it's less
I actually think it's less
I actually think it's less about him playing for ND and more about what he went through this year and how well publicized it was. Got him on everyone's radar an showed his mental toughness. And you know what? I'm actually fine with that. He's a good guy and will represent the trophy well given all the cheating and tomfoolery in cfb these days. Would still like Woodson to stand alone though, so go Johnny.
"Michigan Defense" is dominating everything, in every aspect of life. That's a rough definition.
-Craig Roh 10/29/2011
December 4th, 2012 at 8:00 AM |
Oh, I actually agree with
Oh, I actually agree with
Oh, I actually agree with this 100%! I do think the gold helmet helps but, as I poorly stated, the public love for him is pretty universal due to his story. Heck, I like the guy! This has just been the strangest year of CFB for me andd nd seems to have a golden clover in their ass this year, lol. No way they are a top 2 team and no way Te'o is deserving of the Heisman. Yet, for reasons stated, I think he'll win and by a lot. If JM was anything but a RS Freshman he would win. That Freshman tag will kill him, though. Well, that and one of the finalists is playing for the title on top of everything else we both stated.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:08 PM |
I understand the debate about
I understand the debate about
I understand the debate about who SHOULD win, however I am confused about the debate about who WILL win. Manziel wins this going away. Stiffarmtrophy.com...
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:08 PM |
Clowney
Clowney
Should be in NYC if teo made it. Dude did not get a vote? Also glad miller not making the trip to NYC.
Be the change, I want you to be.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:09 AM |
manziel should be a sure
manziel should be a sure
manziel should be a sure winner. i dont think manti teo deserves to be in a class with charles woodson as the only other heisman winner to play defense.
this text is abnormally tiny and will stay that way.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:08 PM |
I agree with you
I agree with you
But as much as I hate everything ND, it is hard not to be in his corner, you know, at least a little bit. He is going to be playing a Sundays for several years, barring injury.
Coach Hoke once told me that a moral victory is still a (expletive deleted) loss.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:17 AM |
Johnny Football by a MILE
Johnny Football by a MILE
Te'o had a good year, but if his helmet was not gold he'd just be a blip on the radar. Domer love and sentimental storyline should not outweigh on the field production.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:45 AM |
If any recent defensive player deserved to win the Heisman
If any recent defensive player deserved to win the Heisman
it ws Suh.
Teo is a fantastic player, but he will not win the Heisman
December 4th, 2012 at 2:19 PM |
Good to see that Miller
Good to see that Miller
Good to see that Miller wasn't invited. He's a special talent, but his numbers were incredibly underwhelming this year as far as a Heisman Trophy winner goes. I'd say his last two games were pretty pedestrian, and that's the time when Heisman trophy winners are allegedly supposed to shine the brightest.
Oh yeah, and he's a Buckeye.
Brady Hoke: Kicking Ass And Signing Names On The Recruiting Trail
December 4th, 2012 at 2:32 PM |
I think the kid from A&M should win....
I think the kid from A&M should win....
Te'o is a great defensive player but there is a guy that is going to be playing against us in the Outback Bowl that, personally, I think is a better defensive player. I forgot the guys name, but there is also a chap on 'Bama that is statistically superior to Te'o. Again, not to diminish Te'o's accomplishments on the field but if you are going to give it to a purely defensive guy, Clowney and the guy from Alabama are just as dominant, if not more so, than Te'o. I understand that they play different positions on defense, but they should be in the conversation if Te'o is.
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You would care a lot if Michigan was playing for the NC. I bet ND and Bama fans care a lot.