hoke absolutely deserved it
hoke absolutely deserved it
I think if they ended up 11-1 he would have been a shoo-in. Still very deserving of the award though.
Gundy certainly deserved it. It would have been nice if Hoke had gotten it though.
Bill Snyder deserves it most.
I thought for sure Snyder would get it and Hoke or the Baylor coach would be the runner-up. Not sure how Gundy came away with it. I thought the cowboys were picked to do pretty well pre-season. I always thought this award went to the coach who did the most with the least or went exceedingly above the teams expectations. Oh well, next year Hoke will need to do less pointing and more ranting about being a MAN!
I'm guessing he won it for turning OSU into what it is, not just for the season. It's kind of like Return of the King winning a bunch of awards for the whole trilogy.
Plus 1 for associating LOTR with M Football.
wasn't Oklahoma State ranked #3, to start the season?
To me Bill Snyder and Brady Hoke exceeded expectations much more, than the other coaches.
8th and 9th (in the Coaches and AP polls), so not top five, but still highly ranked.
I don't understand the Miles or Gundy nominations. Their teams were supposed to be national title contenders going into the season. Their teams did, in fact, turn out to be national title contenders. I guess I give them some credit for not screwing things up, but they clearly had two of the most talented squads out there.
I would have been ok with losing to Snyder. No one thought that was a 10-win team, and he schemed them to ten wins with nothing resembling an offense.
See that? He called you "pal." Look out for "buddy" or "chief."
Just to play Devil's advocate, though, isn't it a positive for Miles and Gundy that they have been at their respective programs long enough to create the atmosphere that gave them such excellent seasons? I mean, it's not like Miles and Gundy fell into situations full of talent after being hired in the 2010-2011 offseason. They recruited every single one of these players, hired the assistants, and installed the systems that the team runs. While I think Hoke would have been a worthy candidate based simply on the fact that he helped to turn around a team that was horrible defensive for the past couple years, this seems to be kind of a reward for Gundy's efforts over the past several years, too.
I would argue the award is for Coach "of the year." It's not a lifetime achievement award. No doubt credit goes to T Boone Picke---er, um Gundy and Miles for building those programs into the teams they are, but I think a coach of the year award should be based around the coaching in that season. And I'm not saying they coached poorly (obviously they coached very well or their teams wouldn't have the records they do) but I do give more credit to someone like Snyder who had a wildly deficent team that he schemed to an unexpected 10 wins.
So, say that Michigan wins the bowl game, they go into next season ranked in the top 2 or 3, and they win the National Championship. In that scenario, Hoke shouldn't get Coach of the year because he did exactly what he was expected to do that season? I find it very hard to believe that anyone could cast aside the fact that he turned a 7-6 team into a 14-0 team in two years.
Besides, if it is all about exceeding expectations, then you are basically eliminating the possibility of any coach at a powerhouse school because they are too good each and every year. Plus, that gives the benefit of the doubt to coaches like Zook that under perform each and every year except the one year they do well.
At some point you have to say, "Wait, Oklahoma State is ranked #3 and should be in the national championship game? Did Oklahoma and Oklahoma State successfully trade teams? Am I dreaming? Am I dead? Is this Hell?" and realize that he has done an amazing job to even get to this point.
So why not give it to Hoke, who also took a deficient team (defensively, anyway) and turned it into a 10-2 squad?
As somebody else said, your definition eliminates anyone who has a perennial powerhouse program. Basically you're saying that Saban, Miles, and other coaches who have made good runs (Carroll at USC, Mack Brown at Texas, Meyer at Florida) shouldn't even be considered because they already have top 5 programs.
and was my pick to win it. No disrespect to Hoke.
He had basically all his playmakers from last year. Last year he was 11-2, this year 11-1. Not following this choice.
I have my hunches why though.
Guy has a 28 year old qb (a month older than Aaron Rodgers), team can't play defense, and dropped a steaming turd @ Iowa State in a conference that's rapidly shedding members, but Kudos to him I guess.
Was that the same Iowa State team that beat Iowa?
through those maize and blue shades.
I still wouldn't take any coach in the country over Hoke.
Where were you last January with bold pronouncements like that?
Wow, I really didn't think it would be Gundy. I thought Miles was going to win it, but Hoke is definitely the most deserving...
Im ok with Gundy taking it, if miles would have won that would have been a nail in my ass. Hoke and Snyder were clearly the best options tho
Hoke was also named a finalist for the Paul "Bear" Bryant Coach of the Year award, according to an mgoblue.com press release:
Hoke will join nine other finalists in Houston on Jan. 19 for the 26th annual Paul "Bear" Bryant Awards event: Bret Bielema (Wisconsin), Art Briles (Baylor), Mike Gundy (Oklahoma State), Les Miles (LSU), Nick Saban (Alabama), David Shaw (Stanford), Bill Snyder (Kansas State), Kevin Sumlin (Texas A&M - 2011, Houston) and Dabo Swinney (Clemson). The only Michigan head coach to previously win the award was Lloyd Carr in 1997.
It's hard to argue with Hoke not winning. There are those out there humbly submitting they would have won more with the same team, and the kicker is they could have done it without a defense.
Not that Gundy isn't deserving of the award, but it sort of feels like a consolation prize for not being in the BCS Champ game. Coach Hoke should've won it! Coach Hoke is also a MAN- he's over 40!
Yes, but does he have a dance named after him? (And no, the Hokey Pokey doesn't count.)
I was hoping Hoke would win.
My vote was for Fickle.
he's a man and is a good coach.
He may be a man and he may be a good coach BUT.........
Is he 40?
Why should Bill Snyder have won it? He went 6-6, 7-6, and now 10-2 this year. He's had three years to build his program and arguably had less success than Michigan. KSU got trounced by Oklahoma, whereas Michigan's biggest deficit was 14.
I think Hoke, Gundy, and Miles are viable candidates...but not Snyder. He had a good year, but not the best in the country.
He won ten games AT KANSAS STATE which is still part of the BIG XII. That's tantamount to someone winning 10 games at Indiana in year three. That's not a heck of a coaching job?
Dantonio won 10 games at MSU. Should he be considered?
Plus, he's like 98 years old! That's a tough job for an old dude!
I was not impressed by the Big 12 this season, aside from Oklahoma State...and even they played a clunker against Iowa State. KSU allowed 50+ points three times and finished #71 in scoring defense.
Because this isn't a lifetime achievement award.
The fact that Snyder's teams were bad before lends even more credence to the argument that this season was a great job of coaching by him. And, very obviously, no one expected K-State to win 10 games.
I'd have voted for Hoke, but I think Gundy is also a good choice.
Ummm because he went 10-2 at Kansas State brah. They literally have sucked under everybody not named Bill Snyder.
44-112 in the last 14 years and three coaches not named Bill Snyder...but yeah you got me
True, but he's been there for a few years. It's not like he took a sucky team and immediately made them good. He went through a couple years of getting his players and installing his systems. This is now Year 3 of the Snyder regime. Meanwhile, Hoke took a horrible defense and an offense that couldn't score against good Big Ten teams...and created a 10-2 team that's something like #16 in total defense.
I'm not saying Hoke should win. I truly think Miles or Gundy should win. But I'd have a hard time voting for Snyder over Hoke.
Hoke won 10 games in his first season, but I'm not gonna whine about this like MSU.
Hoke won 10 games in his first season, but I'm not gonna whine about this like MSU.
I'm cool with waiting.
But I can see arguments that someone else in the whole Country did as good a job as he did. Not winning Big Ten coach of the year would have been more of a "huh?" moment.
But Mattison not winnng assistant of the year is still a travesty.
Hoke will have the rest of his coaching career to win this award with Michigan.
All about the Sugar Bowl. He don't care because it's all about the Team.
and when we win it all next year he can put the award right next to the crystal
...Mike Gundy did have a pretty damn good year at Oklahoma State, and Snyder had what seems like sudden success at KSU after barely breaking .500 for a few years. Gundy put Oklahoma State (traditionally not a program that got national attention on a regular basis) in the National Championship discussion too, so it is hard to argue with that.
Gundy or T Boone Picken's wallet put OSU into the NC discussion?
All respect, though, Gundy had my vote
a Sugar Bowl victory over this award any day. I think we all share the same sentiment
OSU not in the BCS NC game, but Kudos to the coach.
Hoke did a great job. Best hire since Bo.
or even Bret Beilema deserved it over Gundy! I am not surprised Hoke did not win it, but it was an absolute SHAM that Mattison did not get the Broyles Award.
Snyder, Hoke, Gundy or Miles.
I think Gundy was a fine choice. Their one loss came away on a Friday night game that was basically Iowa State's whole season on the back of a school tragedy. His team next went out and beat the living hell out of Oklahoma.
Had Hoke won, no one could complain about that either.
Miles for the obvious reasons.
Snyder...eh. KSU's ten wins are impressive and all, but I wasn't wholly impressed with their body of work. They edged so many of their games (10-7 over E. Kentucky), got blown out by 41 points at home...I personally think they were the most overrated team in the final polls excluding Virginia Tech.
But doesn't the fact that K-State was in a position to be over-rated imply that Snydar did a great job?
Who the hell thinks K-State should be rated at all?
I don't even think he deserved the award, but don't people see the enormity of K-State getting 10 wins? That's akin to Illinois getting 10 wins. It is probably that schools cieling, or damn close to it.
I'm a little surpised Kevin Sumlin isn't getting any love from the voters. Granted, the conference they're in isn't the most challenging, but they did roll just about everyone their schedule.
The best team they played all year (USM) routed them by 21. I think that cost him any chance at winning the award.
It makes me sad how close we were to playing them. It would have been nice to be up 40 in the 3rd quarter of the Sugar Bowl.
He totally could have won it if he had beaten Southern Mississippi. Unfortunately, Houston totally bombed in that game. You can't end on that note at a school like Houston and expect to win awards.
Arguing against Gundy is silly. The truth is, there were a number of deserving candidates this year, including Hoke. What about Snyder at K-State? Or the Hat?
I understand Gundy getting the award. Oklahoma State was Little Brother 4.0 compared to Oklahoma when he took over. They've won somehwere between 15-20 times in the history of the rivalry if I'm not mistaken. Still, I'd like to think Coach of the Year should be based on who exceeds expectations rather than meets them. Oklahoma State was a national title contender at the beginning of the year and stayed that way.
Who could have possibly expected Michigan or Kansas State to be where they're at right now?
Les Miles led OSU to two of those victories over OU in the early 2000's before he left for LSU, but yes, that season-ending victory over OU this year was impressive.
"I had no business winning it. Ten wins is a disappointment. This is MICHIGAN fergodsakes!"
is Brady Hoke.
I think Brady should have won it, but all of these postseason awards are a farce anyway. Even the Heisman has no criteria for how to vote, so it's all based on opinion, PR, location, etc. Granted, I think it's fine this way, at least better than letting the BCS computers decide awards, but it will lead to "controversy" at times.