Have the past two years made you a bigger diehard?
Yes for sure! I loved Michigan all along but now I'll almost fist fight over a Michigan argument, I swear!
on the field.
And the more angry I get about off-field attacks on our program.
We're always going to win games and lose games. I can't control that; and if every loss makes you die just a little bit, you won't have much of a life. It is better to just enjoy the spectacle. And Michigan football is the best ticket in all of sports in this state. It is the best, most highly educated, best-demographic fan base in the state's best city, in the best stadium, in beautiful conditions, at the best time of the year. It is the best and most historically succesful team, and year in and year out, a season ticket holder at Michigan Stadium is virtually guaranteed to see nationally-important games.
So for me particular wins and losses fade into happy memories; I've seen many many years of both. And yet the attacks that drag the good name of our program into national disrepute are the things that I find truly evil and really worth the effort of every supporter of the football to oppose and protest.
This should be read out loud by Tim Allen with the pure Michigan music in the background.
The fact that Michigan is such a good school with such a rich history and tradition really puts everything into perspective for most Michigan fans. Obviously football is important, but it's in balance with other aspects of the University. This isn't true elsewhere; I did my BA at Michigan and my graduate work at Texas, and things there seemed really out of control; there's virtually no connection between the University and the athletics. And Texas fans have little knowledge of anything outside of Texas and the Big 12. I'm proud of the fact that we as a fanbase have an appreciation of the national picture, the rich historical context and the importance of the University as a whole, and not just the football team's performance in recent memory.
has made me more diehard than the adversity of the past two years. I had been pretty hardcore for almost four decades. This blog helps me enjoy Michigan and Michigan all year: my connection to the university, the seriously funny shit written here, the highly skilled analysis of the diarists and frequent contributors, prognostications -- both thoughtful and total BS, recruiting news of future stars, negbangs/posbangs, otter ennui, even the bloody trolls . . .
Long live MGOBLG. The last few years would have been unbearable without it.
I'm a Mets fan and well, going to Michigan actually made me hate the Yankees a little less. Not really all that much, but just defending them here and there. When I was a kid, I loved Mattingly and the Yankees from 90-96. They beat the Braves... in exciting fashion (down 2-0.)
But, I digress. Yes, the past 3 seasons have made me a stronger fan. You take W's for granted (which I really shouldn't, i'm a Mets fan as well.) But when Michigan started to lose, I got more into trying to find out why. Not reading or listening to ESPN has helped. Thank you, MGoBlog.
What's your take on the Yankees vs. Mets? How are their fans sorted geographically, socioeconomically, etc.? I understand the rivalry to be less straightforward than, say, Cubs vs. White Sox, which is at least somewhat tied to geography.
Overall, I'd say the Split is about somewhere between 65/35 to 60/40, Yanks have the advantage, obviously.
I think you'll find a mixed bag.. but if I had to stereotype... Mets fans are more blue collar than Yankees fans, but i'd also argue we're more knowledgeable baseball fans. Yankees definitely own the Bronx, Manhattan. Queens is Mets for the most part. I'd say Yankees dominate Staten Island, (if it matters.) Brooklyn, I'd say is a toss up. This is going strictly off of anecdotal experience.
NJ is a Yankees strong hold. Long Island is probably a toss up, but might lean Mets? Upstate... and by upstate I mean Westchester, filled with Yankees fans. Connecticut (west) Yankees, Connecticut east - BoSox.
Does this help? Anyone else want to offer some thoughts?
I think we can all agree, it was not difficult to be a Mets fan in Ann Arbor. Tigers fans have empathy, I'm sure.
Good stuff... thanks.
Yes they have.
Agreed. I cared about Michigan football a lot before all this shit went down, but the whole ordeal has really pushed it to a new level of obsession.
I have never been able to understand this. Its like if someone calls you an idiot and you spend three hours explaining why you are NOT an idiot. Guess what--you fawking are an idiot it you defend yourself for not being an idiot.
Don't even dignify that stuff with a response. If you are a Michigan fan, what the heck do you care what other fanbases think?
EVer see that stupid movie, Roadhouse? Is your mother a whore?
I have had to defend the team. Not against other fan bases, but against people like my father who mourn the loss of "their program - the way Michigan football is supposed to be played.". These are the people that pretend that the game didn't pass Lloyd by, and refuse to believe that the program that Rich is building will bring us back to relevance on the national stage.
It is worse trying to explain why you are not an idiot to a Rich Rod hating Michigan fan. Paper shredding, CARA reporting fail, "major" violations, players leaving, bare defense at the end of the Carr era -- all can be explained, debunked or put in perspective. But only if you have a captive audience for the better part of an hour to address a litany of accusations that take 10 seconds to recite. The facts take much longer to lay out than the cheap shots take to make.
I need to go dip my fingers in acid and clean them now.
I have this glorious place to thank for that.
Before 2006, I only knew the names of the starters. Now, I pretty know where every scholarship athlete is from.
It is now almost awkward to watch Michigan games with my family or friends, because when I start talking about the Pahokee pipeline I get confused/concerned/alarmed looks.
Probably. I was always a passionate about the team but I don't think I paid nearly as much attention to personnel and recruiting under Carr. It makes it a lot more fun to be have such a deep appreciation for the team, but I now find it frustrating chatting with more casual fans. Particularly those that want to assassinate Rich Rod but have no idea what he was given to work with in 2008 or what the team's issues are currently.
I'm with you about the casual fans. I'll never forget a guy came up to me while we were tailgating before the WMU game and told me that if RR loses this game he's going to be fired "mark my words". I didn't even have to respond...if looks could kill, I'd be in jail for murder.
The circling of the wagons has taken our fanbase to another level!
I got more involved starting with the coaching search. I picked a great time to start following more...I feel like a gambler who keeps throwing chips into the pot and getting nothing but bad beats on the river card. But I keep putting chips in because I know that when I win, it will be that much more satisfying.
I'm in the same boat, but I think I heard that strategy referenced on one of those anti-gambling commercials...
I'm not denying my addiction.
Yes, it has. But, I dont know if its the last two years or if its just the presence and participation in the blog.
I think its more of the latter than anything else, but the lean times the last couple of seasons has hardly dampened that, and will make the MGoParty even bigger and more fun when the team does start winning again
.....in 9 days.
It has been set on fire and burned to the ground. Some have walked away assuming there's nothing more to see. Others are watching to see what comes out of the ashes. I can only watch and hope and pray and believe
To some degree, my new level of obsession has been unhealthy.
The last couple of years have created the strong feeling that the team needs my fandom* in a way that it didn't before (I realize, of course, that I am only a very small drop in a very large bucket). Michigan seems to be at risk, so I've dug my heels in twice as much as ever, though the practical effect of that is minimal at best...As others have said, this blog has increased my interest (obsession?) too.
*And the support of any other fan too.
I have been a "diehard" since the 60's. This is a new experience, though. And it has made me appreciate exactly how good the program has been over the last forty years.
I have gone from a Michigan "follower" to a Michigan fan. I did not realize there was a distinction until the last two years.
I don't spend time trying to justify what is going on with our program to others (i.e. Ohio State fans), but I am obsessed with trying to learn more about our progress in getting back to the top. The more we lose, the more obsessed I get. I find it fascinating from a leadership perspective what Rich Rod is trying to accomplish and the obstacles that have been placed in his way. This could be a really great story down the road about perseverance.
I used to just pay attention during the season. After the bowl game I would focus elsewhere until the middle of August. Now it is a year-round obsession. Is that weird for someone in their mid-30's? Hope not.
I am really pulling for these guys to prove all the anti-RichRod fans wrong.
I am passionate about U of M Football again. I was always a fan, but approaching 15 years since being in Ann Arbor my fandom was slipping.
I would still catch the National games - watch with friends (or ND people) for the ND and tOSU games - but U of M was steady and predictable - good but not great, same old same old and just wasn't exciting.
Now I am anticipating EVERY game, find a local bar (that serves breakfast) for any game not accessable via cable, and check MgoBlog several times every day. I feel that Rich Rod has brought change (not always bad "the Game!!" gripers) and excitement to the program not there for me since Bo. Unfortunately so far that has included a higher chance that any game could be a loss, but that is not why I have become re-energized about Meeechigan footbal.
Hoping Coach Rod survives this year and already have an "in" for tickets for a particular game in early January 2012 in Glendale, AZ.
I certianliy think mgoblog has something to do with my increased "fandom". I have been going to games in Ann Arbor since the 1980s, started hitting road games in the 90s so I am not too sure how much more of a fan I've become - always been a very high level. Though I do now know more about the make up of the team and the types of recruits we are giong after - but I think that has more to do with the information that is available. As for the last two years, what has made me sick, is how many times classmates of mine (UM class of '95) have turned on the program. I have felt I have had to defend Michigan to Michigan, and that is not right. I do believe (and hope) we are getting better, and a win on Sept 4th will be the beginning of a great start. And with a great start, the 2011 class of recruits will start to fill nicely. We'll be back, and beating OSU twice in 2011 on our way up will never be sweeter!
I'm glad you posted this because I've been feeling this way for awhile now and have mentioned it to many of my friends. Prior to the last two years, I NEVER followed recruiting or much about the football team in the off season; although I was and still am an avid supporter of the team and coaches. I've been doing it almost daily now since Coach Rod's first season. The situation the team has been in the last two years has made me a much better (more informed) fan than I ever was before. Thank you for providing the impetus to share it here too. GO BLUE!
Tyburn, near what is now Marble Arch, in London, was the principal location for public hangings in England until 1785. The 'drop' method of hanging wasn't then in use and the process was sometimes a prolonged affair. There are records showing that some of those who were about to be hanged opted to take the opposite course to the 'die hards' and paid people to hang onto their legs so that they died quickly...
The wider use of the term came into being in the following century. At the Battle of Albuhera in the Peninsula War in 1811, William Inglis, the commander of the British 57th Regiment of Foot, ordered all ranks "Die hard the 57th, die hard!", i.e. to fight until the last. The regiment later became known as the Die-hards.
sounds like you die-hard or you don't. i am die-hard.
Upvoted for the low probability you'd see a comment like that on any other teams blog...
It will make victory all that much sweeter once we turn things around knowing that I was All In For Michigan!
I have been a HUGE fan ever since my first trip to the Big House at age 7. I have been to games every year since, and it remains the most important place I visit. I don't think anything could make me a bigger fan. This website, over the past year and a half, has certainly made me a better fan. I am infinitly more informed, and like others, I know more about every aspect of the team.
I think the past few years have really just hardend my skin. I don't take losses as hard now, and I try to look at the bright side of the team's situation more than just bitching up a storm (see Lloyd's years...) Now that I am better armed to deal with anything this year throws at me, it will make it easier to enjoy regardless of the outcome. I really can't wait to go to the Big House in 9 days!!!!! 9 DAYS --- Anyone have a sleeping pill that lasts that long?
Although I have upped my daily intake of antacids and started seeing a shrink, I have definitely become more obsessed. I have never experienced anything like the last two years of Michigan football so it has been tough to swallow. I also can't wait to shove all the BS from naysayers straight back down their throats.
After the last two years, well, let's just say I'm all in for a liver transplant.
Definitly much bigger fan. I didn't go to Michigan and before the last two years I knew nothing about recruiting or anything like that. I only knew about the star players on the team. Basically we cycle through a star receiver and running back with a decent quaterback and tight end. One great CB to go with great linebackers and Dline. Every couple years we'd replace them with versions of themselves automatically (in my mind).
After coming across this blog I have learned basically everything about all the players and I eat this stuff up. The downside is I can't have conversations about UofM with anyone else around me because they probably know 1/10th of what I know and I don't feel like arguing about this team anymore.
The bad times have made me a much bigger fan. This blog is the main reason.
I just don't believe for a second that the game passed Lloyd by. He won a national championship and five big ten titles. Yeah, he had a few down years---years that most programs would consider fantastic. Its hard to win championships and even harder when you are the team EVERYONE wants to beat.
Furthermore, don't you think it would be wise to treat those supposed michigan fans who are hating on the program just like you would treat fans of other teams?
I was a fan when Bo was losing all those bowl games, which was kind of embarrassing, but dang, it is just a game. I didn't need Dale Carnegie classes afterwards.
You are besmirching the good name Elno has built up over years of unbelievably stupid comments.
I wouldn't say the game passed Lloyd up but for me it was more frustrating watching a Michigan team that seemed to consistently underperformed. If Lloyd had coached the regular season like he did against Florida in 2008 I think things would have played out differently. I don't understand how they could come out and look like a completely different team... what changed?
past 2 years, but the 2005 season and the first two games of 07 (which sold me on the deadliness of the well-executed spread forever) have helped me deal with losing and appreciate success much more.
Also, becoming more well-informed, mainly due to this site, has given me a deeper understanding of the program and its structure/foundation/inner workings. For instance, ask a casual September to November fan who only knows the names of the offensive skill players and wants a new coach if they understand the state of the roster when RR took over and how much its re-stocking and progression is correlated with our on-field success. Ask them if they understand the importance of recruiting Florida (constantly growing young population, highest number of NFL players per-capita, etc.), and why the spread is not dead but typically makes up the top 10-15 offenses in the nation year in and year out. People who get their information from MLive, the Freep, and 97.1 only get a cursory glimpse at the surface and really just don't grasp the underlying causes and effects that result in winning and losing.
My increasing obsession began when I moved to Alabama and came across a few Bama fans that seemed to know everything about them. I was asked a couple of questions I couldn't answer and their response was "see that's why the sec is the best, we have real fans". Thanks to this website mostly that is no longer the case. As for the last 2 years, that's just kicked my obsession into overdrive. Thanks to all who help me get my fix.
Absolutely, prior to two years ago I was not a student. I am now and no matter how much we lose on the field it still feels really damn good. All my life I have wanted a degree from this fine University and by next summer I shall have one. I have fallen more in love with the school in the last two years than I could have even thought. The Big House is worth the price of admission. I have been to Crisler to see UM battle OSU. I went to "The Game" something I would have never thought possible. I will someday be a season ticket holder. This has been the greatest two years of my life.
Enjoy every day you've got left there. I've met lots of alumni who moved on to very happy and successful lives, and very few of them wouldn't trade a lot of what they have now for a year or two back in Ann Arbor.
the past two years and MGoBlog
I live in Chicago, and without the explosion of M blogs, esp. this one, there is no way I would have kept up and even increased my fanaticism. With resources like HTTV, I know more about football than ever. This sounds like the ultimate brown-nosing, but it's true!
So many people here are crediting Mgoblog for their mad fandom (which no doubt translates to money for the univ). Think about that the next time press passes are handed out.
Mgoblog = good for Univ,
Detroit MSM (with the exception of Angelique but including AA news) = dickheads out to make a buck.
It is an absolute travesty that Brian (or Tim) will not be sitting in one of those Luxury Boxes (No doubt Fucking.shit.up among all the cigar smoking blue bloods there).
Why are we still die hard fans after two poor seasons? This is why:
"True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise --- the other, loyalty."
To you, sir! Got done reminiscing during my own post, and I read yours. Great quote! Very relevant and motivational...from a great source!
Yost didn't think too highly of street urchins.
Grew up a Michigan fan (especially Charles Woodson), I had a lot of family that went to the University...
As I got older, guys like Lloyd Carr, Jake Long, Mike Hart, Chad Henne, and Mario Manningham really started to make me love the program...
Decided on M as the right school for me, began to follow the program even closer...
First game as a student, ranked #5, all studs returning, National Championship hopes, HORROR!!!...
Really began following recruiting...
Happened upon mgoblog...
so I wouldn't say it was necessarily the struggles of the last few years, that made me a bigger diehard. I feel that it was my natural progression to eventually become fully captivated by Michigan Football, but who knows?
believable stupid comments.
I have been raised as a Michigan fan so I always followed the team and would watch on Saturday, but I never really paid attention to anything Michigan outside of that. I have since began following Michigan in multiple sports and have been a lot more into football than ever before. Most of that started with Carr's last year and it has only grown in intensity.
I am sure my increased fandom is a combination of 24/7 Michigan access with this website, countdowns to kickoff, and other various football related outlets. So whether its just a natural progression into a true sports fan or the last two years I don' know, but I do know that this will be the longest 9 days and 4 hours of my life.
I think he has handled a lot of bullshit admirably well. He comes to Michigan and the Athletic Department is an organizational nightmare, with an AD who has basically checked out after hiring him and securing the Stadium renovation. Some alumni at the local paper get a hard-on for him and do everything they can to get him fired, with 90% of it taken out of context or just flat-out wrong. The team loses in historic fashion after one key anchor (Boren) left behind by the previous regime turns out to be a spoiled brat, and a poor decision by Rodriguez himself with regard to hiring a defensive coordinator.
Through all of this, he's remained cheerful and philosophical in a sort of all-I-know-is-football sort of way.
I graduated from michigan. The day I got my acceptance letter I already had a letter of acceptance from purdue's coE, but there was no question where I was going. And everyone knew it.
I have more anticipation this year than I ever have in the past.
I don't know if it is the pay two years and the impending payback, bitches, payback to all the doubters and pilers-on, or the amazing resource and wealth of rabid fans that is here, MGoBlog.
I still rock my M gear allll the time and I find that when I see others in the same, we exchange this nod/smile that is far different than in years past--it's as if to say, "I'm with you. I know."
Should be mandatory, whenever you see someone in M gear to calmly say "Go Blue". Nothing more is needed. I've been in airports and travelling all over the country doing this. "Go Blue," the other returns "Go Blue" as you pass by. That's it.
In the Grand Canyon, I said this and the guy said "Thank you." Asshole. But funny
It sounds kind of silly in retrospect, but I had grown accustomed to obsessively following the top of the BCS rankings to see who Michigan needed to leapfrog, bitching about any non-BCS bowl and blowing off joke games against such teams as "indiana" and "Illinois". Seeing a talented coach try to build back a program like that from the ground up has made me realize how rare and complex that dynasty status is and how lucky we'll be to have one back in the future. Unfortunately, I think most native Michiganders have grown uncomfortably accustomed to the current disappointment and defeatism before our cherished Wolverines also dipped into a rough streak.
Yes. No question it has. I value winning and all the things that go into this program winning games now. Not just expecting wins every Saturday. I guess because I am seeing first-hand a ground-up rebuild in many ways. It isn't Goldie Hawn in "Wildcats" level, but it is still a rebuild whether we like to admit it or not. It demands that I keep my eye out on so many things on and off the field to measure improvement beyond the scoreboard.
It has made me a better more observant and loyal fan. I think it has done the same for a lot of Michigan fans too. I hope anyways.
Bobby Bowden was on ESPN this morning and he was talking about how when they would lose two games after their insane run in the 90s, the fan base would immediately start saying "oh well maybe we'll be in the hunt next year". I hope we never get like that when we start having success. I hope we'll really savor the dominant teams and the very good or just good ones too.
I've always been pretty intense, but the quality and depth of information available on this site in particular and others has really changed my level of knowledge about the team. I remember when there was very little about recruiting available until late July when the football preview magazines came out. Most fans were just learning the names at the opening game.
Now we know so much about the incoming recruits and how they are doing that readers can't help but be much more engaged.
I lived in CA for 10 years and had access to the occasional mention in the LA Times and espn. You haven't lived til you've had 25 people in your living room to watch the UM/MSU game at 9:00 am (that had been announced in the local newspaper all week) only to get a Charlie Brown cartoon special. That was like being in Timbuktu. The internet and Big Ten network have changed the definition of being a fan(atic).
I'm just more like Henri now.
That coupled with the fact that I'm surrounded by buckeye fans. It's also helped me to mature, I've noticed, for example, that rather than maxing out everybody on my sports games and simply blowing out opponents, I find it more fun to play through a challenge.
The only good thing about these last 2 years is that it has exposed a lot of people I know who claim to be big M fans as frauds. It was hard to sort them out in the 90's. The word "diehard" assumes a lot of adversity in order to define it. These times don't build diehard fans, they expose them. But I don't hate them or anything , I sort of pity them because they won't feel the true joy I will feel when we rise again. I just take note and spend more time on this site because I take comfort in being around fellow diehards.
That's an emphatic yes. These past two seasons has pushed my love/obsession for the University of Michigan into the stratosphere. It has also made me appreciate the good times. When the good times return, I will probably go mad with glee.
What doesn't kill you ,makes you stronger.... and stronger we will be.
just Michigan since the late 60's.
but when you support the winningest program in college football, it's rare you have to get defensive and staunch about them. You really have to tread the line between supporting them with what folks from 'other sides' think of as 'arrogant', which I am not. The last two years however have been tough and given me reason to be more supportive of the team; I've always been a diehard, but the past couple years have only made me realize just how much of a diehard I truly am.
Seeing the program come under attack from the local media and even it's own 'fanbase' from the more fair weather inclined M followers/bandwagoners, has certainly galvanized my fanaticism ,ore than anything else.
Seriously, my Mom's side of the family are all ardent Buckeyes and I grew up in East Lansing an M fan (both parents went to M and later myself and brother and sister) so I have tons of friends that are heavy-duty Sparties and NONE of them have as irrational a viewpoint as the anti-RR faction. Opposing fans I have discussed this with, including my uncles who are diehard Buck fans, look at practicegate as a giant circus and while they certainly laugh at M's expense, they also concede that it is a BS set of trumped up nothingness. They can't get over that a local media outlet would go after their own team that way. Same with Sparty friends, they definitely enjoy the distraction and bad PR that M is getting, but for the most part realize that if the Free Press had gone digging at MSU instead, they could likely have smeared them the same way.
The past three years for me have been a killer for college football season. The worst was 2008:
A grand total of 6-34. ugh.
it's also made me hate ohio state even more than I already did, which I thought was impossible but whatever
I've grown to respect the Bucks a little more the last couple years, at the bottom of the heap looking up jealously.
My dislike for State has migrated from mild to gut-wrenching, though.
That and the discovery of this blog.
I was a huge fan before, however took everything for granted. Once I started following this site (which happened to be during the coaching search) I became a much more informed fan as well.
For the last two seasons my girlfriend has asked me why I bother watching the games. The reason I watch and suffer through these games is so that when Michigan returns to glory it will be that much more satisfying.
The Notre Dame game last year wouldn’t have been as much fun if it wasn’t for the trouble the program has gone through.
The last 16 for me as an ND fan have. Payoff is here.
Heck ya. The past two seasons, and in fact I'd include the past decade, really, have made me more hardcore. With the internet boards and now Michigan's struggles, people who really couldn't talk smack have gone nuts on U-M. It's only steeled my resolve and dedication, and success in the future (starting with UConn) will be that much sweeter.
I've been nothing but a MI fan since I was a kid. The past couple of years have only weeded out the pretenders. I don't think I can be any more of a fan today than I was a few years ago but with the interwebs and BTN I definately get a lot more info and games than I used to be able to get. I've been excited about Coach Rodriguez taking the helm and in 8 days MI will serve notice. GO BLUE!
I'm not sure if it's made me a bigger diehard, but the intensity of my fandom hasn't died down any.
I've been a UM fan for 20 years now but the last 2 or 3 years tested those feelings and I believe I am a much bigger fan and much more knowledeable fan as well.
Now along with being more of a diehard comes with the increased chance I may have a full mental breakdown any given week...