They just got rolled by Temple.
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
+ Beating ND without their QB for 1.5 quarters
+ Looking like crap against an FCS team.
I think its time to temper expectations here going into the b10 season in a couple weeks. Remember, we're still a couple years away from where we want to be.
but I think we're still looking at 4-5 losses before it's all said and done.
Did you honestly believe that we were going to win more than 8 games?
That's what happens when Denard went superstar and then everyone suddenly forgot that our defense is horrendous. Some people will star jumping off the bandwagon soon.
It started hours ago.
I'm still saying 7-5
It looked kinda lousy a couple weeks ago, too.
Don't follow you here.
Our backfield has been picked apart pretty consistently. And tackling.
The solf coverage is starting to confuse me.
Time to realign expectations. Any game we win will be due to scoring more points in the shootout. Good teams will move the ball at will against our defense.
42 points....22 minutes of possession. No serious injuries. Every week is different. Guys, it's not as bad as the box score.
w/ you more... people are freaking out for absolutely no reason.. i get our defense played horrible but hasn't that been the motto for this season? as long as our offense can outscore the other teams oh well.. lol jk but in all honesty it's one bad game and everyone is freaking wayyyy to early.
They are an FCS school.
It's Michigan's fucking fault that UConn lost to Temple?? It's a win against a BCS conference opponent, the O played good that game, the D stepped up that game, so how the fuck is it a lousy win?
Of course it's Michigan's fucking fault that UConn lost to Temple. In fact, it's so obvious, that's precisely why I didn't say it in the original post.
Temple a garbage football team and has been for a long time. The luster of the UConn win is clearly not quite what it was two weeks ago or even last week.
Why don't you watch Temple or learn something about them and realize they are a good football team. Did you even watch that game today to know that Temple is a "garbage football team"?, Didn't think so.
The defense stepped up in that game? We didn't have any sacks or interceptions, and the tackling was suspect. If UConn didn't drop a bunch of passes, that would have been a dogfight - and I don't mean passes that were broken up, but just flat-out drops.
This is also undeniable. While we can probably say for sure that Temple is no cupcake, we can also probably say for sure that Michigan cannot stop anyone who who is capable of completing a pass to their own players (also see ND when Crist was out).
I'm so sick of hearing this shit...
If you look at Montana's numbers they were right there with Crist... Aside from getting on the board. Which was for the most part out of Montana's hands. Especially if you take out Crist's 95 yard pass to the TE (which should have never been allowed and was mostly YAC). Montana also had ONE INT... Same as Crist. The guy (Montana) threw for over 100 yards in the just over a quarter he played.
"Montana sucks... If Crist would have been in" is a vastly overstated meme.
I didnt say the final outcome would have been different - I am a firm believer that games unfold contingently, that you cannot retrospectively change one aspect of a game and pretend other aspects will not also change. ND would have played better, but so would have we.
However, if you think how that game unfolded would have been even close to the same, you are living in a dream world, lounging in your maize colored sunglasses sipping blue Kool aid. You can cite all the stats you want, but if you were watching the game, you would know what I am talking about.
Yeah, because the stats... And not subjective opinion... Is what gets "colored" by things other than facts.
If you think stats are the game, you have a lot to learn about the actual vs abstracted, generalized world. I am guessing you are not a researcher. By definition, stats never tell the whole story - statistical categories and numbers are generalizations. There is always a lot that goes untold, and that remainder can only be known qualitatively (what you call subjective).
Montana: 8/17, 104 yards, 0 touchdowns, 1 interception
Crist: 13/25, 277 yards, 2 touchdowns, 1 interception
Yeah, those look about the same.
(I hope your sarcasm detector is turned on.)
There was a qualifier or two there.
Mainly taking out the 95 yard pass (which was an outlier)...
Which leaves both at about a 50% completion rating, with one INT, Montana having a few more yards on the ground (same attempts), with Crist getting sacked and averaging about a yard more per completion.
Again, Montana didn't get on the board. But he was only in for a little over a quarter and came damn close before time ran out in the half.
Crist's QB rating 101.6
Montana's QB rating 42.4
Montana is not Crist, he is ND's former walk-on QB who never even started a high school game. He is the 3rd string QB for a reason. I am sure he played to the best of his ability and under the circumstances I am happy with his effort. But Montana is not comparable to Crist.
Montana threw the ball out of the back of the endzone nearly as well and Crist.
This one time Magnus and I were racing for pink slips.
Halfway through the race I had a quarter of a car-length lead on him when my tire blew out. Magnus won the race.
He then gave me his car because, "had your tire not blown, you would have won."
It's not a lousy win, but it isn't the great win that everybody thought it was. Why?
If you beat a good team by 21, it's a great win.
If you beat a terrible team by 21, it's not a great win. It's a win.
It doesn't matter, let's move on.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that no one who has commented here so negatively about UConn losing today has actually seen Temple play this year; particularly not today's game against UConn. Temple is a lot better than you guys are giving them credit for by trashing UConn like this. They will give Penn State a real run for their money next week.
This is right - the Temple coach will soon be moving on up to a better school - he has done a great job down there.
That Temple team is now 3-0. Granted, those wins aren't against huge teams per se, but if you saw this resume...
Win over #2 ranked I-AA team
Win over last year's MAC champion
Win over BCS conference team
...would you really scoff that much at Temple? (In case it wasn't clear, that is Temple's resume.)
The UCONN winn may still be legit. Let's watch the season play out.
so what does the irish win look like? at this point we should just win. the style points everyone is looking for will come, or maybe we had enough the last two games to cover for this win that isn't pretty enough for some. just some thoughts
Dear MICH fans,
Syle points don't matter for this team, just wins and losses. In fact, I would dare to say that style points mean about as much to this team as Denard's Heisman votes on ESPN.com.
What matters most is how well a team is regarded when you actually play them. That is what voters/fans remember, much more than how that other team ended up later on. If we were Boise State, yeah, it would matter, but otherwise it doesn't.
Remember in 1997 when Nebraska needed a miracle touchdown on a kicked ball to beat Missouri? That didn't stop them from jumping us in one poll after the bowl games.
Every team has a game or two per year where they dont look good. Today we witnessed this first hand as our team barely beat out a Umass team who we should have taken care of with no problems. So Im going consider this as the 1 or 2 games a year that your team simply doenst play good. No need to panic though. Youve all seen the UFR from the past 2 games and honestly the defense didnt look too bad (beside the obvious Cam gord issues). Cam Gord, will be ok, i think he learned, i think he will continue to learn, and as "all" real Michigan fans hope and believe, Camron G. will get better. In fact, i think that Cam is going to be a nice safety. I think with more practice, and experience he's going to start blowing people the hell up and picking off or batting down passes regularly! Today the D looked pathetic, but i think that the D will recover and look sharp during the next couple games.
If UConn loses many more Michigan's win over them will become a loss.
in what logical way? i believe a win is a win. as much as i love this team they are not going for a bcs title....are they?
I can't tell if this is sarcasm... the +1 was under the assumption that it was. If you were serious, let me know and i will gladly take the point away. thanks.
was, and continues to be, the baseline expectation for this year. It will be years before our D is any good. We need time to bring in talent and have them mature. Hopefully Dilithium is around long enough for us to get most of the way back on D. He really is our best defensive player right now.
they were 9-4 last year in the MAC, cochampions of the MAC East division. They ain't who they used to be, maybe they are under new management, I don't know. While it doesn't look that good for us that UCONN lost to Temple, they were essentially in the same boat as we were today, playing who they percieved an inferior opponet and probably weren't prepared to play today. Conversely, UCONN has made a name for themselves the past couple years and I'm sure Temple was probably up for them. this S#^t happens more and more often in college football, the difference between the top 25 teams and everyone else isn't as significant anymore; you better get used to it.
Edit: Minnesota just went up on #18 USC 14-13 deep into the third quarter; I'm sure USC wasn't prepared as they should of been to play the team that just lost to South Dakota.
now rolling 32-14 over Minny.
You just knew it could not last....
Still looks just as good on my sheet that has a W by all 3 of our games as it did when it was the first W on that sheet.
Although UConn lost to Temple, they still outgained them by 50 yards or so and managed to rush for 265 yards at a clip of 6.2 yards per carry. So, I'm not sure how much we should take away from the fact that they lost to Temple. The fact that they still ran the ball very effectively should make us feel okay. After all, our concerns are about our defense, not our offense right now.
It's not like Temple completely shut UConn down. Take away the final score (which should be largely irrelevant to our interests) and UConn's numbers (which is what we should be looking at), particularly on the ground, are very impressive. I don't see how that diminishes Michigan's win over UConn. If anything, it adds to the idea that Michigan's defense played pretty well against UConn.
Also, just remember that things are never as great as they seem after a win and things are never as bad as they seem after a loss (Or a win that's too close for comfort as the case may be.) One game is not enough to base a whole season on. If anything, wouldn't our games in the Big 10 be a lot closer to the two BCS conference teams we already faced? This game is likely a bit of an aberration. Are their things to be concerned about? Yes, obviously. Am I happy about how the defense played? No, of course not. But it doesn't necessary follow that since Michigan played so poorly defensively against a FCS team then they will be even worse against legit competition. After all, we've already seen Michigan play two BCS conference teams and they acquitted themselves fairly well. I think we should probably look at those games if we're going to project how well the defense plays from here on out. Is Michigan's defense championship level? No. But they've already shown they can at least compete and get the job done against teams playing at a fairly high level. One bad game does not change any of that.