because Gardner is to blame for the Oline. It's all his fault... smh
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
because Gardner is to blame for the Oline. It's all his fault... smh
our failures on offense have really been a team effort. Coaches, O-Line, QB, RB....
Regardless: Everyone should right now send a kind and supportive twitter message to all football players you follow, especially Gardner.
It doesnt really matter whose fault it is, these are college kids and should not be subjected to ignorance of this magnitude over a football game.
Maybe a few dozen shots from armored athletic dudes would change their minds.
"I used to send hate mail, but then I took a helmet to the ribs."
This +1 a thousand times!
thank you, and Amen
A new low. How sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think this is "new." Appalling? Yes. But this is the new reality with Twitter and other various social sites. Exhibit #1A was LeBron circa 2010 (The Decision) and 2011 (loss to Mavs).
The UNIVERSITY got racist hate mail from "proud alumni" who signed their names and graduation years about the Fab 5. This isn't new at all.
It is still sad.
You say it's not new and then call it new. Pick a side, homey.
If I recall, Navarre reported getting lots of nasty mail/email when he was a student. We've always had this sort of nastiness in the fan base.
No tweets though for Navarre. This is a new low
I think Navarre would trade getting a pitcher of beer dumped on him for a Twitter account.
Did that really happen?
I wasn't there to see if it actually was or not, but I've heard that story multiple times from different people.
Back in 2002 (?), a guy I was golfing with hit John Navarre with a golf ball on the UofM course. Sliced it off of #3 tee into the #2 fairway. Plunked him.
It was unrelated to his play, though. It was mostly about my playing partner having a wicked slice.
This is why I gave up my season tickets. The fans were so nasty to Navarre. In 2003 against Iowa he went down and didn't get up. The home crowd cheered. I haven't been back to the Big House since.
I had another name on here before and I remember getting ripped on for stating that Navarre got treated way worse than Denard.
I still stand by my comment. That was the all-time worse IMO.
Wow, you gave up your tickets for that? I agree Navarre was treated poorly, and undeservedly so, but that's what happens with large groups of fans - some of them will suck and/or be idiots. Not saying you need to get season seats again, but you should come back to the Big House - it's a pretty fun place. And looks way different than when you were there before.
That never happened. Considering Michigan played Iowa in Iowa City in 2003.
Navarre got it bad, sure. But inventing an event to justify why you gave up your tickets?
I just don't get it. Most of the same people who send hate mail or tweet to him aren't going to say it to his face. It's like being the drunk person who doesn't know how to shut up or, I guess got the "liquid courage" to say mean things to a person's face.
electronic courage...e-courage...new meme....thanks my work here is done.
And in man of these cases it's probably a combination of the two.
Yeah...that's embarassing. I wish the mouth-breathers doing that would go be fans of some other team
= engineering students? Don't hate in my brethren because we get all the girls.
(And no, I'm an engineer too btw)
And Da'Shawn Hand would want to move to AA because...?
The sad reality is thatevery team has its share of bad apple fans.
I agree that it could happen, but it isn't.
But have them lose a game like A&M last year, and watch them all come out, over a team that has won 2 straight titles. Just look at TWIS this week and see the programs that are on there.
B) Even if A were true, things could change during the next 4-5 years and one ugly loss at Bama will lead to the same stupidity, C) There are a million other reasons to base a school choice on besides a few stupid fans.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Bama players got some colorful mail after A&M beat them last year. There's complete idiots in every fanbase
We have very passionate fans?
from Buckeye 'fans' too. Every fan base has idiots that make the 99% of the rest of us look bad.
That percentage is a lot lower than that.
I dunno, ND fans are about the worst of the bunch (see: treatment of Tommy Rees) and they don't have too much trouble recruiting. I get your point, but I'm guessing stuff like this is pretty low on a recruit's radar compared to facilities, coaching staff, academics, etc.
Tommy Rees kicked a cop. People can dump as much shit on him as they want.
This sounds like Trolls 100% to me.
who criticize athletes are ones who do not have an athletic bone in their body or haved lived one significant experience in competition or being on a team.
It's probably no one who regularly posts on this site. Despite the out of control emotions and difference of opinions most people are level headed and frankly not that stupid.
I will say the advent Twitter, comments on articles, basically any medium for more people to express their opinions makes me realize how stupid and ignorant most people are. It's truly astounding. You'd think having people having their personal facebook accounts tied to their comments would change that but not a chance.
Carlin said it best
Haven't been in a Liveblog or a game thread lately, have you?
People saying, "Nope. Can't be anyone from this site! No way!" are funny.
An opposing fan can just as easily pose as a Michigan fan and send him crap.
But is anyone shocked? Just look at the boards. And you wonder why they don't give a damn what fans think and don't cater to them in press conferences. Electronic media, in person....
Ross said the players were motivated by the boos, particularly after halftime commentary from senior tackle and co-captain Taylor Lewan. “Honestly, I think that motivated us,” Ross said. “It made us come together. We realized that we’re all we got. We’re a family in this locker room, regardless how the fans feel. We know we’re going to come out and give everything we got for the man next to us, and we can’t expect anyone to give anything to us. We realize that it’s all about us in this locker room. That’s the only ones who are going to have each other’s back through the worst times and the best times.”
To be fair, I would hope no one is booing the players themselves, but more so the play calling. Obviously this has been beaten to death(re: Offensive strategy) but the defense was great on Saturday.
I don't think the players make that distinction. They just hear booing when they're trying their hardest. Ross's statements seem to back this up.
True, I guess I was just stating that from my perspective, or at least what I think. But yeah, it would be rough to hear the boo birds.
Though the Bronx cheer that came after the 1st 1st down probably wasn't really distinguishable. But players see coaches as part of the team, not a separate entity. And they see fans as the guys who want to be their friend when they're winning but will turn on a dime and throw them under the bus as soon as things turn south.
To be fair, I would hope no one is booing the players themselves, but more so the play calling
I think the majority of the booing was for the playcalling, but there definitely were people in my section booing Gardner specifically. (Some avoided any ambiguity by shouting rude things at him in between boos.)
And anyone who has been saying that the players don't believe the boos are directed at them, "just the coaches," can shut up now, please.
There is your proof.
You are dead wrong.
Whether the players are great or they suck, they shouldn't have to put up with stuff like this from so-called "fans."
Like Brady says go after him. He is the one making the big bucks not the student athlete. How pathetic.
''He goes to class, he's respectful to the media, he's respectful to the public, and he's a good kid. And he doesn't deserve to get treated like a professional athlete.''
Gundy has his faults, but I really appreciate him defending his guy at that quotalicious press conference.
is flypaper for morons.
How can someone not feel like a total clown for being a dick to a kid who CHOSE to play for the team you root for?
Key word: kid.
"This shouldn't have to be said -- folks, if you find yourself seriously tempted to send an angry message to a player,
don't. kill yourself."
This same shit was happening to the Fab Five, which is strange considering they were actually winning.
That was even worse, because that hate was based on something totally different.
Indeed. The language made it very clear why they were hated.
I've never seen any good evidence of any hate- speech directed at the individual members of the Fab Five. There was no Twitter; no Facebook. No blogs of any kind. There may have been paper snail-mail, presumably sent to 1000 South State Street. Has any reporter ever been given access to any such letters? Has anybody ever counted them? Identified the authors?
The current kerfuffle is over hateful comments made (anonymously?!?) on Twitter. Has anyone sent user-identifiable email to Devin?
I heard Michigan-dad Bernie Smilovitz mention "hate mail" and "threats" sent to Devin. Is that factual reporting? "Threats"?!?
This is the umpteenth time I get to denounce Twitter as an asinine, juvenile cesspool of pseudo-communication, that is nothing but a nuisance in the world of college football administration.
This is a comprehensively unserious story on about three different levels.
Did you watch the Fab Five documentary? The letter were shown in the movie.
As for your opinion of Twitter - just like any useful device, people can misuse and abuse it. It's also incredibly useful when used properly. Anything that provides information can be good and bad. You could make the same claim about a phonebook. "If it weren't for phonebooks, no one would be able to make prank phone calls."
Just because something can be misused doesn't make it asinine.
And as I recall it, there was one letter seen; I think it was a kind of a re-creation. That part of the film was devoid of any specific reporting. I got the impression that a small handful of people wrote letters to the Athletic Department, not the players, in which the writers complained about the sort of image the Fab Five was presenting.
People are just pathetic. I have no problem with almost any amount of venom directed at the staff, but going after players isn't ok
Sports fans are the worst.
at any of the players. It's classless and will only make things worse for everyone. These kids work incredibly hard, are very competitive, and never want to fail or let anyone down. It's a sad commentary on society that grown adults have let their irrational attachment to sporting event outcomes override their ability to act like decent human beings.
Everyone here in the MGoCommunity who has a twitter account should flood the players' twitters with positivity and love.
On many levels, that article is pretty depressing. It seems to me that when you are at a point where tweeting or mailing hateful things to a kid that is still in college and playing for the team that you cheer each weekend, then it might be time to pick up a good book and unplug the televisions and stay away from the stadium for a while.
I did like what he said though, and it sounds like he's been a good leader of the team through all this:
"I just think like, 'Man, it (stinks) you feel this way,' but I really can't do anything about it," Gardner said. "I'm not going to get into a banter on the Internet."
DG has been a warrior the last few games, the thought of UM fans sending hate mail to him or any other players is sad. We can be angry after loses and complain on Mgoblog but reaching out to players is unacceptable.
This is part of the reason I hate twitter.
What's been said on twitter is nothing new, and is unfortunately to be expected.
I know I'm in the minority on this, but as a lifelong die hard, I do take exception to Gardner's response. The team is losing games they shouldn't be and he's worried about twitter. This happens every day, and has for years. Albeit the methods have evolved with technology. The Fab 5 dealt with it, do did Roger Maris, and Hank Aaron. It comes with the territory.
As the quarterback and leader of the team, you're the one who shoulders the burden when expectations are not met.
There's one way to shut these idiots/ internet tough guys/ twitter haters up, and that's winning.
Ultimately, I think the fan base is most disappointed with the product. Were all invested in the program in one way or another. We have not seen a return on our investment.
There's a lot of lip service and company lines coming out of Ft. Schembechler, but no leadership or accountability.
I think the tweets were fucked up, but I also think Gardner needs to get his priorities in order.
The players work ridiculous hours, all while going to school, get the hell beat out of them on a weekly basis, get abused by total strangers, and dedicate their lives to the game...but because you buy a ticket for $75 (or more likely, flip your tv channel for 3.5 hours), it's YOU who is invested in the program enough to expect a return on your "investment."
Whose priorities are out of order?
I'm familiar with both the sacrifice and benefits that come with being a college athlete. He was not forced to play college football at this level. His priorities are clear cut, school then football. He's in grad school. By all accounts he's taking care of things on that end. On the gridiron, not so much. I'd be a fool to think that the offensive woes are all on him. Do I think, he's done everything possible off the field to be the best quarterback he possibly could be? Hell no. I'm sure that some of that twitter or tinder time would have been better spent in the film room.
How dare he use his free time to do anything other than what I have deemed appropriate?!?!?! And while we're at it, I don't think he should be able to watch TV, play video games, or actually live the life of a normal human being. Dance for my amusement!
Oh, and you are a fucking tool.
I am sorry, but that is crazy. I don't have twitter, so I don't tweet or whatever you call it. However, I think that sending or reading a tweet takes about 30 seconds. I also know that they come to your phone whether you what them or not.
Are you really taking the position that he needs to get rid of his cell phone and focus on being the best quarterback he possible can be? Can he watch TV, listen to the radio and go on dates too, or is that off limits? If he doesn't, does that mean that he deserves the hate mail he gets?
I have, from time to time, made a post or two that I though was reasonable at first, only to realize that it made no darn sense at all. I think that may have happened to you. Generally, those who say, "Yeah, sorry. That made no damn sense, forget it" are quickly forgiven.
At your job, rather than posting things like this on a blog.
Yet here we are.
Devin hasn't dealt with this even though it has been going on for a long time. It's new to him since, you know, he isn't remembering his former life as Jackie Robinson. It's a normal response to be upset from this stuff. He might be the QB but he is still human and even if he didn't respond to this stuff publicly he'd be dealing with it in private. Does it really matter which one he does? His priorities are that he needs to go to school, which I believe he's in grad school now (WTG!), and work hard on his craft. Nobody deserves this shit when they aren't getting paid (yeah, yeah. Free education and all. Whatthefuckever).
Did you read the article? Gardner is handling this hate mail perfectly as far as I can tell: understanding "its nothing new" (which seems to be your main point) and then ignoring it. How are his priorities out of order? You must believe he's working as hard as he can to get wins for Michigan, yes? So that's his priority. Maybe also representing Michigan with class, which he seems to be doing a great job at.
He didn't ignore then. He tweeted back.
It says he's NOT been tempted to respond, and that he said he's not going to get into banter on the internet.
With all due respect, this comment "aint worth a damn" in the words of my good friend Ricky Bobby. Playing college sports on this level is a job. They work hard and whether it produces wins or not, they deserve leisure time as well. He has a life outside of his job just like you do. I dont know about you but I work 11-12 long hours a day and i'll be damned if somebody is telling me how to spend my leisure time after I get off. Win or lose, they aren't machines.
that people would say this stuff to a player.
But its just as appalling for people to do it to coaches. Those coaches are trying just as hard as the players are. Those coaches are also someones husband...father....brother...grand-father etc. etc.
Why do some on here take offense at the players being treated like this but seemingly approve of it as long as its a coach?
And dont give me the old "he is an adult and making tons of money" crap either. Thats no excuse to treat another person in a way that you would not want your own son to be treated.
Either you have class or you dont. There is no in between.
Man, this is seriously gross. I understand the need to get involved in something to take away from your day to day life. Life sucks a lot of the time for most people. Crappy jobs, crappy bosses, crappy spouses. Taking your real life frustrations out on something that you 1. have no control over and 2. couldn't make a significant difference if you were involved in it just doesn't make any sense. It's cool to get upset about the losses. I am upset but why the need to spread those feelings of anger towards the players?
I'll never really get it. I have family who are like this and when we talk Michigan they talk about wanting Dave Brandon and everyone below him fired. I just zone out during those times and then make up an excuse to get off the phone. Get to the root of your problem, people who are doing this. Your life is fucking miserable and instead of taking it out on people who play a game it's time to hunker down and figure out how to make your life a happy one. People who are happy with their lives wouldn't posses the ability to do this shit. This will always happen, though. Really pathetic. Really pathetic.
It is okay to be upset, but it is another thing to take action against the players.
I really hate people sometimes.
students first, leave them alone. once the game is over they are students. Get mad at there personal coaches or coordinators not the student athletes.
But gotta give it to Devin for his wise, and restrained, reaction. Regardless of wins and losses, he's a real credit to Michigan.
This is the culture you create and you personally help to propagate with all of your ANGARY ("but seriously, just 'venting' guyyyyssss!") posts, fellow MGoBloggers.
So now you see why some people want others to just tone it down a bit?
Hate mail idiots
Have no place on MGoBlog
They can have MLive
Devin's a manly man, he doesn't deserve any hate.
I have to think most of these idiots are not the type to read, well, anything.
As others have noted, if you have a burning desire to send hate to college kids, slam your fingers in a door a couple of times and see if you still have that desire.
i don't think you have to worry about that from the readership here. Tend to be more well-informed.
That said, that kind of ignorance is pretty disappointing.
Sorry, but it's true.
99% of it is garbage. Also wouldn't surprise me if the ugly tweets came from dopes posing as UM fans.
Totally disgusting, frustrations should not be taken out on these guys. It's ridiculous to think that any of that will make things better.
This makes me sad on a whole new level.
In that case, almost the entirety of people on MGoBlog for the last half of this season are not Michigan fans, but trolls, trying to make the fan base look bad.
The negativity around here (especially the last couple weeks) has been far more embarrassing to me than anything that's happened on the field. I find myself not wanting to be associated with the program because of the fan base.
Ok....I have been on here long enough...I have a pretty good idea who might.
Disgraceful behavior, people. In the words of Rich Rodriguez, "get a life". Pretty damn unbecoming to tweet this to the players who are working their tails off.
That is absolutely sick (in the bad way in case it needs to be said). Writing to the coaches and Dave Brandon is one thing though even there civility should be maintained because if people are obnoxious their sentiments will be ignored anyway.
Writing to the student athletes directly is just wrong unless maybe you are trying to be positive but even then do you really need to write to them directly?
Yeah this is bad.
if it's actually from M fans (and not sparty or ohio fans pretending)?
These are the pricks every fan base has. Team 134 is playing hard and the coaches are screwing it up!!!
It doesn't make sense to send hate mail. It doesn't matter if they are pro or not. It's just a game. However, these kids are being paid and better play hard. There are athletes on this team that will not contribute to one single victory, but will still receive over 250,000.00 dollars. This talk about college athletes not being paid is dumb.
Well if Borges had a Twitter then people could vent to HIM instead of resorting to Gardner.
I must be getting old because I just don't get it.
I don't really tweet but I just follow stuff and people I'm interested in -- a news aggregator I suppose. It's also interesting to see people's reactions to things.
This is what buckeye fans do! They also set cars on fire, but I wasn't able to snap a shot. Have some restraint and leave the players out of it. If you taking it personally, really???
Also, don't leave your house...EVER. I don't want to be associated with people such as yourselves.
That is all.
Anyone sending hate mail to college kids... cumong man
Sounds like something a state fan would do
Many of them are state fans.
...hateful typewritten missives must Gerald Ford have gotten? His teams were terrible.
the posts here and be surprised? The football program has been attacked from top to bottom and players are not immune.
Sparty fans are participating in this. Of that, I have no doubt.
I just saw the Daily article about this, and they're posting some of the tweets, with account owners' names and avatars. I am truly embarrassed for these people, whether they're Michigan fans or not. These people are the lowest part of society - the uneducated, the moronic, the imbeciles who deserve to be cast out. I hope they all get some kind of retribution for this.
This is the Michigan difference.
the next thing you know, some supreme ass-hat
is going to blame it all the teams's problems on Devin's acceptance of the 98 jersey
and Taylor Lewan's finger stache and twosie!