would be more than appropriate for expectations going into next season.
Has Braylon made it impossible for someone to earn the #1 jersey?
While I love Roundtree... I have to agree with this. But perhaps this is the very reason why he doesn't want to talk about giving it out. Each receiver has a something different to offer, and each could be a gamechanger. You could argue M's always had multiple, great receivers... but IMO, Stonum, Roundtree, and Junior are all in the same ballpark of performance.
Either way, I'm glad RR is back to addressing these types of questions.
Do you believe that there should be someone wearing the #1 every year (as in the best receiver on the team)? If not, how do you believe the decision should be made? I would submit that a #1-worthly receiver should be a once-a-decade kind of player (or something like that) in order wearing the #1 a significant honor.
on 19-20 year-old kids to produce resutls that aren't UNACCEPTABLE gets my full endorsement!
Something for a young kid to strive for. A goal to be the best and wear the #1 jersey that only few have earned before...
Goals and rewards are good!
Goal and rewards, I get all that. BUT what do you think the MSM will do if the next #1-wearer drops a few big passes?
"That shouldn't happen!"
"Maybe so-and-so shouldn't be wearing the #1 jersey!"
Who needs that kind of bullshit.
If that player is someone who is deserving of the #1, he will probably be one of the best players on the team anyways. I think people will say that about the best player dropping some passes regardless of what number that player is wearing. I REALLY have a hard time believing that if Roundtree or Hemingway put on that #1, their world would be rocked and they'll start playing tight, etc.
It's an honor to get the #1, but at the end of the day it's another number. I think if anything it will give the player wearing it even more confidence because he's "the man", and players who play with confidence perform better.
But, that would all be considered. Guys like Braylon and AC dropped a few (or more than a few) and heard worse on the field form DB's.... Elite athletes eat that up and take it as a challenge. Thats a big part of why they are elite..
Id much rather the #1 be given to a once-a-decade type guy. That is the only way the #1 will keep its ora about it. The company that you are in when you put that #1 is legendary and It should stay that way. I'm not saying that Roundtree doesnt deserve it necessarily, but It shouldnt be given out lightly. If Arnett goes Blue tonight (Knock on wood), IMO he could definitely develop into a "#1" guy with his crazy smooth route running and sure hands.
You have Arnett who has never played a down of college ball and may not even end up at Michigan pegged as a guy that could definitely develop into the #1 guy. Our current best receiver that just lit up the scoreboard and Michigan record boooks, however, may not be good enough yet?
I don't know if Roundtree is deserving of the #1 yet but he is having a phenomenal year and is probably the best candidate. I don't think you can base giving the #1 jersey to a guy off of whether or not a better candidate may show up later.
Dude just blew up the single game receiving record and is obviously the go to receiver. Give him the #1
He more than qualifies. I think all year we've seen Roy do his business and keep improving. Plus he's still motivated to be even better. He wants to bulk up further.
What's bigger than Roy Roundtree? A bigger and stronger Roy Roundtree.
Give him #1
i have to believe that shattering a michigan record, something that neither carter or edwards really came close to, has to qualify for the #1. it should probably wait until next season but the record should be a deciding factor and roy has probably as much expectation going into next season as any receiver had going into their #1 season. It seems ignorant to attach the jersey to unreachable stats.
I do not think you can base the decision simply on breaking a record. If you do, then it plays right into what Don mentions below:
. . . it gives special attention to one player over others . . .
Stats should simply be one consideration and maybe not even the most important consideration. That's my humble opinion.
With all the fuss Braylon has made over the #1 jersey, I think it would more likely cause team chemistry problems than add anything positive. Doesn't this now elevate one guy over his peers? I suppose if you had a true mind-blowing standout -- like Anthony Carter was (and Braylon, for that matter) -- then it might make sense. But with the team-first and stable of receivers approach we are taking now, I think it would be better to avoid the subject. Also, this idea of Braylon having a say in who gets it is totally bogus. If the guy wants to donate money to UM that is great, but it needs to be without strings attached. I think the whole thing is now a hassle to Rich Rod and he will completely avoid it.
based on your username..............
was a good post. LOL
please see the "UP" arrow next to the post.
1. Braylon would have brought it to RR's attention privately.
2. RR would give it to a receiver who has clearly established himself as the go-to playmaking receiver.
I used to throw the ball to braylon.
I think Roundtree should be given 21 in honor of Des. 21 to dominant slot guys, 1 to dominant outside guys.
Or are you pulling for a double-switch? Roy to 21, Junior to 1?
I was actually thinking about this last night...that 21 is as much a part of Michigan lore as 1, but Biakabatuka messes up the slot tradition a bit...you put 313 on tOSU you're part of the lore...
I love the idea. In my opinion, if the #1 is coveted then the #21 should be coveted as well. Maybe not as coveted as the #1 (open to debate) but coveted nonetheless!
The fact that somebody has to "earn" it is preposterous.
Just because Braylon was a complete jackoff his first two years and Lloyd had to use it as a motivational tool doesn't mean that it needs to be done with every wearer from here on. It was a good move by Lloyd, which has been verified by Braylon's behavior since he left Michigan.
Give it to Roy, or use it as a recruiting tool.
Yes, it should only go to WRs. Trying to give it to a CB was a mistake, but not big enough to warrant the backlash that came.
Braylon is the only person who had to "earn" it. If his schollarship is structured in any way that somebody has to "earn" it or Braylon has some kind of say in who gets it. Tell him thanks for the cash, but no thanks. It isn't worth it.
I think that people should have to prove stuff on the field before wearing the #1.
Right on. Doing that two-finger-eye-to-eye-thing.
Although Ty did have the greatest dropped pass in Michigan Football History (UVA 1995?)
Coming in a close second:
LaTerryal Savoy, 1st and goal from the Notre Dame 5, 0:3X seconds left, Notre Dame 2009.
Walter Smith. You may be too young to remember him, but he was a fan favorite back in the mid-90s.
Braylon's stone-fingered drop of the 3rd down screen pass at the crucial moment of UM's comeback attempt against OSU (whichever year that was). I can't help but remember that one as the valley to his MSU OT game Everest.
Thanks for erasing everyone's memory of my drop.
Why do you need to copy my avatar?
as a recruiting tool to snag the top receiver in the country, like they did with David Terrell. In any case, it's gotten way out of hand and anybody who does get it after this period of dormancy can expect a lot of scrutiny and pressure.
I don't believe that Terrell started with the #1. he got it after a year or two. Does anyone remember this?
We used it as a recruiting tool many times though. I agree with you. And maybe just maybe Terrell had the #1 dangled as a carrot for future eyars (if I am right).
You're thinking of Braylon, who asked for #1, but had to earn it; Lloyd made him wear #80 to begin. David Terrell wore #1 from day one. Trust.
I disagree. I love the tradition behind giving it only to electric receivers. I'm glad a guy like Doug Dutch didn't wear it. Nothing against him, but there is a certain regality to the number. It carries cache. I love that. I want all our number 1 receivers to earn the jersey.
Agree, I think the #1 jersey is dead to RRod.
I think when the crap hit the fan, well, you know......the death glare.
We have a LOT of great traditions here at Michigan, and I'm proud of that. But Coach Rod has had to deal with enough adversity already in his career that I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to get involved with yet another potential controversy. Once bitten, twice shy.
More than a recruiting tool, #1 should only be given to seniors as incentive to stay another year (for when we have to worry about those things).
New idea: ask Lloyd to pick. He's ... oh, wait, he retired this summer. Still, Lloyd could be the Special Attaché for the Education of Rich Rod about the Tradition of the #1. Or something.
He's loving retirement.
Hence the fake position.
I appreciate everything Edwards did for U of M, but as johnvand suggests, I don't like him having a say in who gets the jersey number. It's just an extra layer of trouble that the coaches shouldn't have to deal with.
not many people believed me when I told them this was a clusterf**k that RR wanted to avoid because of the drama Braylon injected into the situation.
I totally support and understand RR's stance on this.
There is NO WAY IN HELL this fiasco would've happened under Bo.
The Team, the Team, the Team.
Yeah Braylon will get what he asked for. All that money he's donating to the University, and it won't be used for anyone.
The scholarship is used for another player when someone isn't wearing the #1 jersey.
Which is great, but Braylon donated money to ensure that only one position gets to use a particular number. The point being he wants to see the tradition of giving #1 to wide receivers continue, not fall by the wayside. That the effect of that action is that nobody gets to wear the number because its use has now been imbued with a little too much sanctity, is ironic. I don't think Braylon ever expected or was promised rights to name the #1 jersey wearer, he just wanted to see a proud tradition continue. We saw with the JT Floyd situation that issuing the #1 jersey is fraught with potential controversy, and I think it will be a while before RR feels comfortable enough in his place at Michigan to make such a decision.
is a lousy idea, in part because it gives special attention to one player over others. It should be entirely up to the coaching staff who wears what. I wish LC had told Braylon, "thanks, but no thanks."
Don, do you think giving the #1 jersey is so much different than naming team captains? I would like to think that the coaches do more than just give the jersey to the best performer with the best stats. I like to think that the #1 jersey goes to a great performer but also to a great teammate, etc. For example, without taking a stance on whether he should get the #1 jersey, Roundtree is not only a good ball-catcher but has also been an outstanding downfield blocker as well. These "intangibles" that contribute to the team off the stat sheets. I get your point - no one should be above the team - but maybe they can award the jersey on more than a simple stat-sheet basis? Maybe that's just wishful thinking . . .
Honor Anthony Carter by retiring it for him. Braylon has infused selfishness and individualism contrary to the tradition of BO.
I am not surprised that Braylon has made this about him and not Lloyd Carrs University of Michigan.
I can't help but feel like Braylon has usurped AC unjustly as the owner of #1. Maybe if he acted more like Charles Woodson instead of still showing the immaturity that prompted the #1-carrot at the end of Lloyd Carr's stick in the first place I wouldn't have as big a problem with it.
AC doesn't own that number either. My point is to rub Braylon's nose into his puppy poo in the kitchen he has dropped.
How many times will someone post "The Team" speech..............but at the same time want a tradition that promotes individualism. That is all we need is a twitter, facebook, message board fight over who deserves the number 1 between fans and/or players.
I for one expect to have 2 deserving people at the same time. I can just see our idiot fans who would of blasted tree if we didn't win for his 2 drops and that he doesn't deserve the 1.
This goes back to being all in for Michigan.............not RR, not Harbaugh, not Roundtree, not Jr and certainly not Braylon.
+1 to you , sir
I didn't misunderstand the point- I was with you in your assessment that Braylon has taken ownership when so many other greats (including AC) have worn the jersey before him without the look-at-me fanfare. Braylon has emphasized the #1 to the point where it could be a detriment if handed out again. Why even risk planting that seed of jealousy? The unit as a whole better be pretty tight if they decide to give it out now that it's so blown out of proportion. I would be happier if the criteria was more of a captaincy or reward for hard work rather than a glorification of individual greatness.
I think I read somewhere that there is a committee which needs to meet to discuss who gets it. I have no idea what kind of things would go on behind closed doors, or what kind of oath Roundtree would need to take.
seems like a lot of trouble for 1 jersey number
The Oath "i swear to never drop a pass, and run really really fast to the end zone once i make the catch"
the oath is more like "I swear to make every spectacular catch possible and then drop a large percentage of the easy catches that hit me right between the numbers".
I loved Braylon, but I can't be the only one who found him to be maddeningly inconsistent, can I? Henne was better off throwing it high to him so he had to make a great play than hitting him in the hands. As great as his MSU performance was, anytime I see Braylon I think of that game and then immediately think of the 4th down drop against OSU. Pretty much sums up his career - at least the way I remember it.
Well roundtree dropped that wide open pass for a first down in the first quarter leading to denards first interception, so I'd say he's following in braylon's footsteps quite nicely since he also amassed 246 yards in the game.
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Roy, a man who called himself You-Know-Who just invited you to a secret wink-wink at the you-know-what. You certainly are popular now that you wear the #1 jersey.
I don't think RR really likes the #1 tradition. As we all know RR is all about a team effort and not about one individual player. The meaning behind wearing the #1 kind of sets you apart from the team and I think RR may have hesitations about that now. Or maybe I'm just looking way to deep into this.
Well if our fanbase didn't overreact about little things and act like complete assholes about things like this then maybe situations like this wouldn't happen, but we are what we are. Whiney babies. Also, situations and things.
A few guesses:
* accusations by Mr. Plow and his belligerent dad about Family Values
* BRAYLON talking about BRAYLON and the #1 jersey and BRAYLON (!!!)
* a Freep article with some fair shots and a load of lies and reaches
We don't pass!
We don't run!
What about the defense?!?!
We don't score enough!!
We score too much!
We punt too much!
We never punt anymore!!!!
I hate when we go run middle, run middle, pass, punt!!!
We never run middle maymore!!!
I hate our old school offense, we need to revolutionize it.
I hate this new fandanggled offense and it trickery. What ever happened to winning the old fashioned way!??!
Carr sucks! RR sucks! Gerg sucks!
We never win anymore!!
We won, but our defense sucks!!!!
Bottom line our fanbase is the most annoying fanbase in the world. Drives me fucking crazy.
Wow why not add this gem:
Bottom line our fanbase is the most annoying fanbase in the world. Drives me fucking crazy.
That's a reaction to a little thing that is pretty annoying too. Stop reading every post on here and you'll find its a lot less annoying. You won't find it any different if you followed any other team's site this closely.
I disagree. While anyone who says Rich Rod flew in the face of controversy due to anything but ignorance of the situation is clearly an ass hole, Rich Rod should've known about #1 and what to do with it.
That is a pretty harsh statement....someone who doesn't agree with you is clearly an asshole.....really?
I would say that your post depicts you as the asshole, not anyone else.
You guys are making way too big a deal of this. If Roundtree comes to RR and wants the number, I'm sure RR has Braylon's number and he can call him and they can discuss the merits and what sort of groundrules they want to set for him. It is a nice tradition to have( no matter how it evolved) let's enjoy it. Braylon set up the scholarship so I'm sure he wants to give it out. RR was joking when they asked him about the number.
Ease up to the drama.
The idea that a coach should have to call up a former player to ask permission as to whether or not one of the current players can wear a number is beyond insane.
The tradition of a standout wide reciever wearing the number 1 is great and I love it, but Braylon should have no part in who gets it.
and then use it as a recruiting tool going forward. I don't think the #1 WR thing fits with the RR era at all, unless you're going to give it to the starting QB each year, just shelve it. Sorry Braylon.
Nice to see that I'm not in the minority regarding Braylon spoiling the integrity of No, 1 by the restrictive use of his scholarship. Tell Braylon no thanks and leave it up to RR to decide who and when someone deserves the extra recognition.
Maybe Braylon's gesture was meant with good intentions but to me it always smacked of arrogance.
For the life of me I can't understand why so much of this focuses on Braylon Edwards. This is and always should be considered the Anthony Carter jersey. How Edwards managed to co-opt this as "his" is a testament to his incessantly selfish behavior, and an equal testament to the class and modesty of Carter, who remains the greates wide receiver in Michigan history.
Can't wait to see how I get slammed for this but enough is enough.
Not sure why you would get slammed for stating the obvious.
Because Braylon endowed the scholarship, and AC didn't. Pretty simple.
Yeah I know and I appreciate that a scholarship is good - but it is frustrating to see another rich, pampered athlete "buying" something like this. I'm sure he spends more on his cars.
He could have spent money on another car instead of endowing a scholarship at his alma mater...
When this was announced, the response was more than generally positive. Now Braylon is a spoiled brat? Are we really that fickle?
Everyone wants to feel good about someone giving something like that - which is why it was generally well-received. Personally I was lukewarm at best because I thought he was trying to claim the Number 1 as his...for money. When it starts drifting into checking to see if Braylon is okay with who gets No. 1...that''s going way too far. In effect their are strings tied to his donation.
Maybe he could have just made the scholarship donation without the jersey hoopla, ala Charles Woodson?
How many people donate money to universities for scholarships and then leave it up to the university to decide how best to use that scholarship?
Actually, the question with a far shorter answer would be how many donate money for a scholarship with the intention of being the person who approves to whom it will be given? That is utter nonsense.
an arrogant, selfish ass?
Okay, good to know.
Braylon is the one who got the big contract and endowed the $
Carter was the greatest, period.
It is a number that deserves respect. However, I believe it is up to the coach of the day to award it to the receiver that he and his staff deem worthy. I have no problem with whomever Rich and staff assign the number to. Previous players should respect whomever the coaches select and support that decision.
plain and simple, give him the #1. He will then have his name on top in 2 records, most yrds in a single game and most yards in a season
Has Braylon made it impossible for someone to earn the #1 jersey?
Yes. Maybe it sounded like a great idea at the time, but what Braylon has done is make it extremely difficult for RR to ever give the #1 jersey to anyone.
RR cannot offer the #1 jersey to a highly sought after recruit, which in itself is a shame. But it is also hard to see how RR can ever give the #1 jersey to any existing team member without potentially disappointing others and somewhat elevating that one player above "the team". At a minimum, RR would have to decide that there is sufficient potential upside to do it notwithstanding the risk it might divide the team. It is not clear to me what sort of situation would come up that would make RR conclude the downside risk is ever worth it.
I just can't wait to see the next player that has to earn #16.
they already have to. john navarre had to approve shoelace to wear it after watching shoe's ability to just straight chill in the pocket and pick people apart.
The last time Michigan beat Ohio State, we had a #16 at quarterback...Hmmm...
RR needs to own this burgeoning, somewhat revisionist tradition (which many traditions are). While earning the #1 tradition may have started with Braylon, it was because of AC's performance wearing it, and his subsequent legendary status. The burgeoning tradition is shaped by Braylon's need to earn it, as dictated by Carr, but it is grounded in AC's performance wearing it. And Braylon did his best to uphold that standard while wearing it. It's a tradition worth implementing, it is better than letting the events of several years ago dictate what happens to it.
RR needs to forget the incident - he does not want to be the one remembered for abandoning the burgeoning tradition. Braylon may not have handled the lapse by RR in a professional way, but the death of the new tradition will forever be associated with RR's tenure. RR needs to get beyond the pettiness of the events of several years ago, because holding on to them is petty for a person in his position. He needs to own it - give it to a WR, and be done with it.
RR needs to forget the incident - he does not want to be the one remembered for abandoning the burgeoning tradition.
I disagree. If I were RR, I would want to be remembered exactly for something like this. UM is about the team, not about highlighting one superstar player each season. Quietly never "awarding" the #1 jersey to anyone reinforces the point perfectly.
But you are arguing about something different - coaching philosophy. If coaching philosophy, in terms of team versus individual accolades, is the reason RR doesn't give it out, then ok. But that is a different reason than emphasizing the incident with Braylon. Thus, RR would be better off making that reason clear and not referencing the past incident when asked about giving it out. From his statements, however, it seems not giving it out is more about the incident with Braylon.
You make a good case for not giving it out, but it doesn't seem that that is the case RR is making.
that RR can't give out the #1 jersey without getting BrayBray's blessing?
Nowhere is that stipulated. And ignoring any influences other than what is stipulated is what I mean by RR "owning" the burgeoning tradition. He only has to give it to a WR. Letting Braylon's influence shape his actions only exacerbates the problem.
As long as he refuses to give out the #1, he will be asked about his reasons for not giving it out. As long as he cites the Braylon incident, he gives life to that incident. In doing so, he gives life to his troubled transition, and our perception of his tenure as troubled lives on. He would be much better off giving it out, erasing that incident, and being perceived as settling in to his position. You all know I am no RR apologist, but if I were advising him, I think giving it out would be seen as him showing more ownership of his position instead of being seen as fighting against it, as bucking tradition, no matter how "new" the tradition is (though it lives a much older life in our perception due to its tie to AC).
It would be good for his career to give it out.
Letting Braylon's influence shape his actions only exacerbates the problem.
Sorry, but this is all backwards. Giving it out when you don't want to just to prove that you can and that Braylon is not in charge is letting Braylon influence your decisions. If I were RR, I would never give it out. If asked about it, I would try to deflect the question so as not to create a big public squabble with Braylon but quietly I would let it be known that I do not want to elevate any one player above the team.
Like I said to a poster above, you are making a different argument, and draw a conclusion about twisted logic from that. You assume RR doesn't want to give it out for some other reason. If that is the case, say based on his coaching philosophy, I can get behind that. But we are talking only in the realm if the Braylon incident.
because what you're advising is for RR to push his chips into the middle and make the call.
This forces Braylon to either agree with the decision or look like a complete ass by trying to inject himself into something that he really shouldn't.
I like it.
Bo was all about The Team, we know that. He also allowed the Michigan players to earn those little wolverine stickers on their helmets. It was Carr I believe that put an end to that when he took over. You can keep the #1 jersey and still be focused on the team. The point is that certain players need to be rewarded and motivated in certain ways. I get personal joy (see my name) in what Terrell (as #1) did to Alabama and Auburn while Michigan completed the Iron Bowl in 2000 & 2001.
"RR has bigger issues to worry about than who wears the #1."
I couldn't agree more. That's exactly why BIGMOUTH Braylon should have handled the matter gracefully. That appears to be beyond him, though, so instead we got another pail of tar poured on Rodriguez by the low end of the MSM.
"But it's my understanding, from people very close to (within) the program, that RR didn't exactly put out a "comments" box upon his arrival."
That's a good point. I've been hoping that Brandon will polish his rough edges.
"So, we don't know if Braylon did try a soft approach or not."
True, although my money is on "BLAH BLAH BLAH TRADITION ME BRAYLON!"
As for the MSM, did you miss all the lame articles where the "jersey issue" was coupled with "Family Values" and other tidbits. I saw it in print (in an anti-RichRod way) at least five times. I can't say for sure that those stories hurt recruiting or the program's image, but I definitely will bet that they didn't help it.
$500,000 from a former star player is hard to turn down, so I cannot really say what I would have done had it been my decision as UM President or AD, but it does set a precedent that "tradition" is for sale at the right price. What if Braylon wanted to rename Michigan Stadium and call it Braylon Edwards Stadium? Or even Braylon Edwards Field at Michigan Stadium? Or name the endzone where he went all "Braylon" on MSU?
UM needs to be very careful not to let this type of thing go too far. The #1 jersey was special (which is why Braylon wanted it) because of AC. If I were AC, I might not be so thrilled to see the #1 jersey "endowed" by someone else. I might prefer to have the UM head coach decide who to give it to. And then what if Woodson wants to endow #2 and Desmond wants to endow #21? At some point, you lose control over all your historically significant jerseys.
For the record, the endowment for a scholarship is not $500k/year. It's a one time $500k donation that because of the University investing the money and interest on that investment allows the scholarship to continue forever.
The problem really lies with the Michigan Athletic Department allowing Braylon to stipulate to such a specific degree who would get his scholarship and essentially giving too much of a voice in the activities of a coach running a football program. Instead, the AD should have allowed the scholarship go to a Wide Receiver (and it could have even gone to a WR of the choosing of his Foundation), but letting him tie it to a specific number goes too far. I'm sure the university wouldn't let me endow a scholarship for the person who resides in my old dorm room and then get upset when the housing office selects someone who I don't deem "worthy" of the honor of residing in the hallowed halls of 5th Hamilton.
Sorry, but this is a pretty weak analogy. The better analogy would be if housing gave your money to someone who didn't live in your old dorm room (who wasn't a WR). Braylon endowed the #1 to a WR. He has no say over which WR is worthy of the #1. RR chooses the WR.
Placing all the blame on the AD is also weak. In accepting his endowment, they decided to implement the tradition. Yes, they were dictating tradition to the head coach. And in doing so, it was an unstated assumption that 1) the coach for UM would know about the incipient tradition; and 2) the coach would comply with implementing it. If fault lies anywhere, it lies everywhere - the AD, RR, and Braylon.
Sorry you didn't get the jist of my comment. All I was saying is that from a financial gift standpoint, there's only so much that the university would allow you to earmark your gift for. In this case, Braylon was (correctly or incorrectly) allowed to earmark his funds to the most finite detail, which is what has created this debate.
My point was that the university would gladly allow me to make a significant contribution, but there comes a point where goodwill and generosity turns into over-involvement and meddling with the way the organization is run (be it athletics/football or whatever). I think Braylon getting over-involved with the way the coach runs his football team crosses the line by using his number scholarship leverage.
I agree on the broad points, but I do not agree that BE was allowed to make his gift on "the most finite detail" - because BE is not allowed to choose the player, only that his money go to the player who wears a certain number. It's unfortunate if BE has had some influence on the player, though I am not convinced that that is what happened. RR tried to give it to a non-WR recruit. He should have been corrected in terms of the position, but not in terms of the level of player he chose to give it to (be it recruit or senior). That part of the tradition is in RR's hands entirely - or should be.
My main argument is not, however, concerned with what happened in the past, as we cannot really know. Its too easy to blame Braylon or the AD. That is a lazy way to approach it. My concern is what is happening now. RR needs to take charge, erase the past, be the bigger man. He should make the decision now based on his own criteria (not in terms of the position, but who and when a WR gets it). If he decides not to give it out based on his philosohpy, then that's fine (by me), but don't blame the past.
What is/was the criteria to earn the #1?
Anthony Carter (I hear, before my time) was a leader on and off the field, so it seems that should be the precedent.
the criteria was be a really good high school player
If I were RichRod I'd never touch it again.
Assuming he wants to, though, I'd put it on a receiver only if the guy was the *undisputed* deathbot receiver by every measure. I like Roundtree a lot, but I don't think he's across-the-board better than Hemingway, Stonum, and Odoms.
(and I think he might actually care:) then I recommend he humbly comes back to UM and his money endows a limo service for all legal aged football players to take them around so they don't have to drive and risk a dui.
If he is lucky he might get some community service hours for this based on his latest brush with the law.
Also sponsored by Butterfinger / Barbasol / local attny of his choice
So am I right in assuming that most people want the tradition of the #1 jersey to die? Or are most of you just upset with the way it is being handled as of late? I personally love it, and it never seemed to be a problem as far as promoting one player over any other before. I remember when Manningham was blowing up and everybody was calling for him to get the jersey.
Is the change in opinion based off of the new coaching staff and their perceived emphasis on team over player? People keep talking about Bo and the whole "team" approach, but didn't he start the helmet stickers that Carr thought were too individualistic?
Braylon created drama of "it has to be earned" portion to die
The article at this link expresses best my feelings on this matter. But to provide a summary.
Braylon was the only player who had to "earn" the jersey. This was a way for Lloyd Carr to train the huge ego of Braylon in the hopes that he could become the player he had the ability to become. In response to this, Braylon took away the Coaches control of assigning the number. Apparently Lloyd's lesson did not take hold.
I think most fans who think this is a tradition ONLY remember watching Braylon Edwards. Every other WR from Anthony Carter onwards was assigned this number in their freshman year and wore it all 4 years they were at Michigan EXCEPT Braylon. Braylon is trying to start a tradition, but it is one that emphasizes the player over the team, and ironically what power does a number have? The #1 doesn't make you a good reciever anymore than the #7 makes you a good QB. Certainly the outstanding players will apply some meaning to a number WHEN they are wearing it, but once they graduate it's a whole new team and a new set of talented stars working together.
I hope that as a demonstration of how talented ALL the WR are on this Michigan Team that the #1 jersey is NOT assigned to anyone. Coach Rodriguez doesn't want anything that makes a specific player seem special over other players except their work and execution on the field. He instituted Game Captains so that all Seniors could experience the role of leadership. He does listen to his players, and he does have a flexible mind, not that when his senior leaders came to him and wanted Season Captains voted for, he allowed it, because that rewarded their leadership and spirit of the TEAM.
I respect Braylon's talent, but not his ego. His ego affects his work ethic and execution. Dropping easy passes is a result of you ego thinking about how awesome it will be in the end zone, rather than how great it would be if your team made a first down and won the game.
Sorry Braylon, the Coach should decide who gets jerseys, not you. Please take back your money. Better yet why don't you give it to Mott's children's hospital, and try to emulate #2 for a while.
and agree. One minor correction, Alexander got the jersey as a sophomore after McMurtry graduated. But his 6 catches for 107 yrds his freshman didn't exactly "Earn" him the No. 1 jersey. Doesn't really affect your point, but just wanted to throw that out there.
Why not have the players vote on it at before the season? So long as it's 'earned' in the eyes of the players, it's earned.
Totally depoliticizes the situation.
I think the new tradition of having to earn it is really cool and unique (AFAIK). Having a broad list of objectives to earn the jersey, to start, would be a great move by Braylon.
People, including Braylon, blew this out of proportion from the get-go. I'd like to see Rodriguez turn it around into a positive by letting the players vote before each season on which SENIOR receiver gets to wear it.
Leave it as an incentive and an opportunity for future Wolverines to continue the great tradition that AC started and Braylon played a role in continuing.
This is can be made a good thing. Why do people insist on looking at only the negative aspects of every issue?
to wear the #1?
I think a better honor for this offense this year is a jersey saying "Weapon of Choice" and everyone gets to wear it.
I'm glad the egos on this team act this way,
Junior TD, one of them.
Just retire the number. That's what should have happened after 1982 anyway
For the record, I like the players and their current numbers.
Right with you. There was really only 1 #1 after all.
put up Braylon type stats and you can wear whatever you want.
I think Rodriguez is not looking to hand the #1 out because of what he went through. It 100% opens him up to more negative pub. There will always be a lot of people who don't agree and he's probably like..it's not worth it. Unfortunately he seems really gun shy about it. I'd like to see Roy get it and maybe it only goes to a senior. Rodriguez really likes to honor seniors so this gives us another full year to debate this and maybe by that time he's earned some more respect and people will get off his case. (yeah right)
I think 2012 you'll see the #1 on Roy..we'll see it in Dallas against Alabama...
What would go a long way is for the Michigan Alumn Haters to act like real Michigan Men & Women. Show the coach they are behind him 100% and stop working against him! This solves a lot of problems including this post.
Stop recruiting Harbaugh & Friends! We have our guy. Swallow it or move on!
Peter C Bigelow says via twitter:
Roy Roundtree wants No. 1. Rich Rodriguez says: "Roy has earned the right to be considered with that and we'll talk about it in the offseason."
Sounds good to me...I think he'll give it to someone next year for sure.
As I have been vocal in my desire to hire a new coach, I do not question what a good man RR is. So here is another place where he has gotten criticized when he did not deserve it at all.
Maybe Lloyd started changing the handing out of #1, but really only Braylon seemed to really be forced to earn it. I applaud using it that way, but RR had to put up with the #1 mess and that stinks. I would not blame RR for never handing out a #1 again.
We got zero. Not no. 1. I don't think we'll see a receiver wear No. 1 at Michigan for a long, long time.
Personally, I don't blame Rodriguez one bit The last thing he needs right now is another lecture about a Michigan tradition not being upheld and more "drama". If he issued it to Roundtree tomorrow, there would be a media hailstorm about how RR intentionally walked all over Michigan's so-called "tradition" (to hell with Greg Willner btw) and Braylon Edward's poorly publicized UM scholarship program in the first place.
RR is thinking: "No. Dealing with more important stuff right now".
Special thanks to Braylon, a guy who wore No. 80 in the first place, while Tyrone Butterfield didn't have to "earn it".
And thanks to fellow whiny, myopic UM fans for making a big deal about a non-issue.
If you ask me, you know who deserves the No. 1 jersey right now for Michigan? Denard freaking Robinson.
The best solution yet would be to just retire the No. 1 jersey for the best Michigan player who ever wore it: Anthony Carter.
Markus: "Braylon and whiny fans ruined it for everybody" is exactly right.
Let's go to the Braylon Edwards Foundation website: http://www.braylonedwardsfoundation.org/home.php?id=1
"The Scholarship Endowment for the University of Michigan's No. 1 football jersey was announced in April 2006. The charitable gift provides support to a student/athlete wearing the No. 1 football jersey. The scholarship endowment will recognize future athletes who demonstrate character and commitment both on and off the field. Athletes wearing the No. 1 jersey are selected by U-M's coaching staff. "
So there are the "rules" on Braylon's own webpage:
(1) Coach selects the jersey numbers,
(2) No particular position is specified.
But Braylon didn't approve J.T. Floyd, and he comes out and publicly implies that Floyd shouldn't get the number one, leaving Rodriguez little choice but to rescind the offer of the jersey to Floyd--imagine the unfair scrutiny Floyd would have received otherwise. The number 1 has been ruined for a long time by outside meddling.
I wish we could retire it for Carter; I don't think he meets the minimum requirement for a retired jersey, though--you have to have graduated to receive the honor. I say we retire #1 for Willie Heston, and to hell with anybody who wants to endow a jersey number ever again.
Just give it to Roundtree. After last game he deserves it. I just want to see one of the top receivers wearing the No. 1 jersey.
They should start a new tradition and give the #1 to the fattest guy on the team. Come on, you know Will Campbell trotting out on the field with just a '1' on his jersey and all kinds of blue real estate would be humorous.
Michigan only has five retired numbers, each one has an awesome story:
#11-The Wistert brothers, three brothers, three All-Americans, one number (and that should be somewhere in the concourses darn it.)
#47-Bennie Oosterbaan: Thrice All-American
#48-Gerald Ford: U.S. President
#87-Ron Kramer: Twice All-American, number retired on the field after his final game of his senior season
#98-Tom Harmon: Michigan's first (and for a long time only) Heisman winner, and known as "Old 98"
It bums me out that these numbers do not have a place of honor inside the stadium, but that is in keeping with the team concept.
I like that Junior Hemingway wears 21, it reminds me of Desmond and Biakabatuka.
I like that Vincent Smith wears 2, it reminds me of Charles Woodson
I like that Denard Robinson wears 16, it gives me cognitive dissonance when thinking about John Navarre.
My point is that the same essential navy jersey that Tom Harmon wore is now worn by Roy Roundtree. The heritage of the past bleeds through to the present.
If you want to honor #1, let another Michigan player wear it and judge him for how he performs on the field and off. Or retire it for Anthony Carter, Michigan's only other thrice All-American.
If there were ever a time to break from tradition, it would be now. I absolutely love the #1 and its correlation with great WR's, but Denard is clearly the biggest game-changer on the offense,, and he's wearing a non-descript #16..,,just sayin.
Good or bad...No one will ever be able to mention the #1 Jersey without mentioning B.E.
ultimately it should be up to RR, and Braylon shouldn't have such a stranglehold on the number. At this point it's causing more friction than anything else. JMO.
count me in on the once a decade crowd. Make the jersey something to strive for rather than just get. Sure Roundtree has been having a great season but lets see kids put 2-3 seasons together and for their senior year bestow that tradition on them.
A temporary trustee of an honor that he is expected to understand, respect and build upon. He exemplifies all those characteristics that one would expect from a student athlete - both on and off of the field.
The holder earns it when he has surpassed all expectations. In short, he will have earned it well before he receives it.
I hope Braylon understands this. I'm certain Rodriguez does. They may not completely agree, but in the end Carr decided that Braylon had earned it - Not Carter (et. al.).
It will be Rodriguez who decides. All holders should understand and honor that.
I have to agree here - if the #1 had to be given out at now, and if I had a vote, I would vote for JH. Making defenders miss the way he did, catching the bobbled ball in the endzone, and several clutch plays he made in earlier games puts him ahead in my book. You could have put Junior or Stonum in Roy's place on Roy's two long yardage catches, probably without any difference in outcome. I am not sure the same could be said of the plays Junior made.
(1) Roy Roundtree is by far our most consistent and dependable wide receiver. He runs excellent routes and finds ways to make plays. You don't just get 250 yards receiving on 9 catches with 2 touchdowns. Roy is clutch. He always has his nose pointed downhill. Love what he does. He's a no-frills, hard-working wide-out who puts up numbers and more numbers. Call him the blue-collar WR. He's a workhorse.
(2) Stonum: the dude's got speed, and still has yet to be utilized properly, IMHO. I'm not sold on his route-running or his ability to come up with plays in traffic. He's good, but there's more there to tap into. Said it before, but I'd love to see him on some end-rounds/reverses, and some tunnel screens. He needs the ball in space.
(3) Junior Hemmingway. I still don't have a good read on him. Yes, he's been super clutch at times, but he's also fully capable of flat-out drops, and sometimes I just don't get the sense that he's all that reliable. I'm totally conflicted on him. I'm not saying he's bad, but I'm not sure I agree that he's our most clutch receiver. It almost seems like a concentration/focus issue with him.
The great news is: the combination of these three guys is working really well right now, and I wouldn't change a thing. But if Michigan had 4th and goal with a second left, I'd be most comfortable with the ball going to, in order: Roundtree, Hemmingway, V-Smith (yes, i said that - great receiver out of the backfield), Stonum...... then everyone else.
RR should wait until the team is winning consistently again. Then he can do what he wants and not have to worry about as many silly 'repercussions' from fans, alumni, etc.
For as good as this offense is, with a couple of really good receivers, it would be a shame not to issue #1 next year. It will be a trivia question in 10 years, who wore #1 when Denard won the Heisman?
I really think the whole #1 jersey thing is a little bogus. It seems like a touchy subject that maybe doesn't have full support (or understanding) from everyone within the program. While Braylon was awesome, and I'm sure he had good intentions by creating the #1 thing, it's something that, quite frankly, seems like it could be more of a distraction than a benefit.
Personally, I love seeing #12 chugging downfield with the ball in his hands. Or #21 making the big catch downfield. If I were one of those guys, I wouldn't want to change my number. It becomes a burden, and makes you a target.
If anything, they should make the #1 a ceremonial thing after the season for achievements that have already occurred. IE: present the best receiver each season with the jersey at the annual banquet. That would be more special, in my opinion, and doesn't create a distraction.
Whatever happens with it, the parameters should be very clear, and there needs to be more widespread support for the whole thing if it is to continue.
An established SENIOR wide out who is a leader and a special player. I still like Bray Bray but its hard at times. I wish he would grow up a little more.