It does seem like some around here are more focused on keeping RR employed than anything. Hey, I want him to win badly, but if he's not the guy, he's not the guy. That's how it goes.
Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
It does seem like some around here are more focused on keeping RR employed than anything. Hey, I want him to win badly, but if he's not the guy, he's not the guy. That's how it goes.
Exactly. I really think it's a validation thing. They want so badly to have been right all along, and won't consider any scenario where RR isn't the coach leading us to a BCS title. Although they were also probably the same folks who were saying after he was hired that it was going to happen last year.
I think that one goes both ways.
You might be hearing what you want to hear. DB has been clear that he's waiting until the end of the season. I think his statement that he wants to see our progress against big competition (Wisc/OSU) could indicate the opposite...that RR needs to show a big time win to keep his job. It didn't look like we showed much/any progress today. We'll see how next week shakes out. I can't imagine that RR holds on with another poor showing.
As far as Dee Hart - He very specifically indicated (at the time of his commitment) that he isn't bothered by talk of RR getting fired because he can play in any system.
The team got younger and we are still a minimum of two games better than last year. That is progress. Breaking offensive records with a first year starter at QB is progress. Winning games despite having to field a MASH unit is progress.
Our progress is slower than we had hoped, but it is still progress. Gerg will probably have to fall on his sword because of our defensive shortcomings, but hopefully a new DC + a team that is not all freshmen = defensive competence. A competent defense, when combined with this offense with another year under its belt, will win a lot of games and should enable us to compete with anybody.
Let dahblue enjoy this Mich loss, he hasn't been able to post for two weeks.
You must not be stalking very well. I'll be happy when we compete with and beat good teams. I don't enjoy any Michigan loss, but thanks for making things up. Have a good one.
that RR will be back next year.
However, I think I read somewhere that DB will evaluate after the season.
Agreed. And I have gotten the sense that DB is leaning toward getting rid of RR. Other feel the opposite. Funny.
I believe in DB and hope he notices that we have become Minnesota and Purdue and Illinois, expect more, and make the right decision. Nothing he has said in an interview makes me feel like he has decided to keep RR.
for the logical thinking that is obvious in his interview. And logical thinking points to progress. May not be as fast as you like it, but I guess all I can tell you is tough shit.
Your illogical comments makes me to believe the opposite of what you say. Yay! RR is coming back!
You seem to have your mind made up - and have been making it abundantly clear today that you expect RR to be gone - so I'll respect it, even if I think you are way off. But Minny, Purdue, and Illinois are nowhere near where UM has been or will be, even if you hate RR and want to see him gone. UM has improved by 2 wins each of the past 2 years, and may very well win 1-2 more games this year. That's progress, and I think Brandon sees it. He knows far more about the program than anyone here, and I trust that he'll make the right decision. I suspect that will be to keep RR provided some changes are made to his staff, and I fully expect this team to take another leap forward next year.
I'm not going to argue with anything you wrote. The thing that makes me mad about this 2 win per year argument, is that part of the negativity associated with RR is the fact that he lost multiple games in his first 2 years that he probably should have won (Toledo, Purdue twice, Illinois, possibly others). The point is, you are essentially rewarding him for losing games he shouldn't have lost by giving him credit for improving. We still havent beat a top level conference opponent, and really haven't been very close.
If Brandon has already decided to keep the coach, he would be publicly endorsing him this week -- to rally the troops for OSU. That would be the smart and fairly obvious play. He'd have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Brandon's continued silence suggests that he isn't fully committed to RR.
I've thought this same thing for the past 3 weeks. I'll take it one step further and say that Brandon's silence is deafening.
he feels he doesn't have to do that because he still has another year in his contract and there is no reason to make a rash decision that could have profound effects on the culture of Michiagn football. For F's sakes, ND gave Charlie Fupa 5! So if another coach doesn't come in and win a B10 championship in three years regardless of signs pointing to progress, they should be fired? We would then be worse than ND, and I don't even want to be compared to those guys let alone be worse.
That's a valid point, but then again, it's Brandon's first year, so we don't really know how he operates. All we can go on is what he's said - that he'll evaluate RR at the end of the season. (I'm curious to know if that means after OSU or after the bowl.)
if he has repeatedly said he makes the decision at year's end. Meanwhile, he's making lots of noises of support. Could be, as a poster below suggests, that he's pretty cagey--and I accept that he reserves the right to take a decision based on all the available evidence at a moment of his choosing (e.g. one of Harbaugh's people calls, says he wants out at Standford and wants out now. . .) But all that being the case I still think that he's making strong noises of support.
If you think the players need to "rally" around RR for the OSU game and that would be accomplished by Brandon publicly saying RR is coming back (he might very well have told them privately), then I don't know what to say to you. This is one of the biggest rivalries in sport, and the players will be up for it. These players like this coach, and they play hard for him. They might not play well, but at no point this season did I see one player who wasn't 100% in for this team and this coaching staff.
How would you be able to see that a player isn't 100% for the team/staff? From a distance it can be hard to tell. I don't think anyone expected Emilien to bolt after one week, for instance.
When Brandon says, "It's not simply about wins and losses" most people interpret this to mean he supports RR. But what he could be saying is that even if Michigan wins 7 or 8 games, and the AD doesn't like what is going on behind the scenes of Michigan football, things could call for a change.
I'm surprised to keep seeing this. Doesn't anyone remember Dave Brandon going on a media blitz to soften up the blow for us when they moved the OSU game to mid season? The guy is a business man who manages his product and expectations. He knows that silence speaks volume, so he has to say and do the right things to avoid any sort of lame duck scenarios. This is his only option. He's left himself more than enough wiggle room to go either way with this decision.
Will be here through 2011, and likely at least finish his contract through 2012.
There's improvement. Is it enough? Well, probably not, judging by most fans. But are things bad enough to warrant a coaching change, another transition period, recruits leaving, etc.?
Some coaches peak very quickly before falling into a period of mediocrity (Mack Brown and Texas, Urban Meyer and Florida). Others, like Rodriguez, get their mediocrity out at the beginning.
It's just too early.
I'm just glad I am not the one making decisions.
I wouldn't write off Brown and Meyer just yet. They are each going through one mediocre season. It's way too early to assume they won't return their programs to the elite. Given the way they each recruit, I'd be surprised if it didn't happen.
As for RR "getting his mediocrity out at the beginning," I hope that's true. My underlying fear is that he needs Casteel (or someone similar) to be his right-hand man to truly achieve big things, and that he might not get him here.
I'm betting a lot of fans would argue that Mack Brown would have hit the road along time ago without Muschamp as his DC...it's not a sign of weakness to have good coordinators as a head coach. It's a necessity in this day and age and the mark of a good head coach.
RR will be back next year and the decision he makes as to who his DC is will go along way in deciding what kind of a future he has at Michigan (and maybe beyond).
Really? Who's your example for a superior coach, then? I'm with you on the rest of your post, but there must be better examples of coaches who peaked then settled into mediocrity. Let's wait and see how they do next year to see what sort of trend they establish post Tebow and McCoy.
Going into this year pretty much everyone said 6 or 7 wins. I think that expectation was realistic with the injuries and the youth. After the NCAA investigation ended and the team won games 6 and 7 I think most sound people would say that Rich would be back.
After we beat OSU next week even the haters will be on board.
they are going to beat us soundly.
Yes, 6 or 7 wins was predicted. Who ever said the prediction total was acceptable though? If I thought team x was gonna suck so bad they would only win 1 game and it came true, does that mean "yeah, we met expectations, extend the coaches contract!!!" ?
I'm just not sure as a fan how you can find this acceptable.. Progress? Well, yah it sure is a pretty offense. You beat the teams you should, ND, UMass, Indiana, Illinois, UConn, BG, 3OT to Illinois and Purdue. All teams with .500 and lower records. Against stiff competition, in year 3 of a regime, I would expect errr...Competitiveness? You got housed by MSU, Iowa, PSU (With a walkon QB), and Wisconsin.
Even though you would never say it, you are expecting a loss against OSU next week. Much like this week, according to some recent posters (Hindsight is 20-20). Expecting losses is the last thing I would expect to hear from you guys.
...Waste your time trolling this blog, giving an opinion no one cares about.
see my reply to the post just above you.
Even if he does want to make a move, I wonder if the business aspect of him will shell out the dough. Just wondering, I really don't know.
Untrue. Brandon will and must voice an opinion on RR, either now or immediately after the season. We just don't know what he'll say. So, given that he has to say something, why wait till later? The sooner he voices support, the more he stabilizes (somewhat) a fragile situation. He doesn't want everyone -- fans, players, recruits -- constantly wondering and speculating and gossiping. I'm sure he would have loved to say, in recent weeks, "I have complete confidence in Rich, and expect great things from him next season." But he didn't say it. Because he wasn't sure.
Also, I seriously doubt he's done a "silent commit" type deal with Richrod. Because, again, why would he? If RR is his man, there's no reason to keep it under wraps.
sounds like crazy talk.
If you want to know what the meaning of the word is... is, ask that dude that monica blew, because he said "it depends."
I hope that clears things up.
I don't know if he's already decided, but I have to say that if he had already decided, I would have thought that he'd have announced it definitively -- that kind of announcement is nothing but good for the program, and the uncertainty is nothing but bad for the program.
So, while I have no idea what the "smart AD" move would be, I think it probably would be consistent with the paragraph above. Which leads me to think that he hasn't already decided "he's coming back," because if he had he'd have announced it. But maybe he knows that everyone knows that, so he can't announce it, because that would mean that a non-announcement next year at this time of the season if there were any uncertainty would let everyone know that he's gone. The old Romanian Pensioner scam. (I just made that up because "Spanish Prisoner" was taken.)
Outsmarted by Brandon again.
He spend the 1st and 4th quarters on the sideline with the team and hob nobs with the big $$$ people in the middle. He has a good idea what goes on behind the scenes and how the players react to the staff. I trust his judgement more than my own. Especially right now since I am having serious doubts about all three phases of the game.
Personally, I want a new DC and D staff, pickewd by the DC and let him run his own scheme. If it was Casteel, let's say, and he wants to run the 3-3-5 and brings in his guys, then fine. If it's a 4-3 guy and RR forces him to run the 3-3-5, then I question thse staff from the top down.
There is no question that the offense has potential and should improve with experience and age, but based on the performances in the first half of the MSU, Iowa, PSU and Wisky games, this offense has a lot to prove.
We know about the defense, but the special teams, the kicking, the punting(I know Hagerup is a Fr), the return games both punting and kicking and the coverage are all suspect. There is a lot to fix by next season and the schedule will be tougher than this season.
I have to trust Brandon, but if this group stays and they don't at least win five games in the conference, including MSU and give OSU a real fight, then they should all be gone. There are no more excuses next year.
If Brandon has made a decision he hasn't made it publicly and until he does its going to fuel bad publicity and hurt recruiting. He doesn't strike me as someone who would want to hurt the football team unless there was a valid reason to do so.
Until he says something publicly the rumors are just going to get worse and worse
DB has supported RR as much as he can. I'm hoping he doesn't publicly support him since that's the kiss of death in the sporting world. If the GM/AD has to publicly support his coach, that coach's job is done. Over. Kaputs.
We are now getting valid advice on what to expect from a Notre Dame fan. Is this really happening right now?
number. I'm simply saying that RR cannot continue to lose to our rivals and only be competitive against the weaker teams in the conference. It just so happens that by beating MSU and having a winning record in the conference next year equates to at least 9-3. Personally, if he doesn't beat ND, MSU AND OSU next season, he should be kicked out the door.
The standards have obviously dropped and any other coach that compiled a record of atrocious conference numbers like this staff has, would be gone in a second. If you look simply at the numbers, the W-L, the inability to compete with the upper echelon teams in the conference and the struggles with the lower teams, (UMass, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois), and of course the defensive mess, there is no good argument to keep RR.
Potential is the only thing you can hang your arguments on to keep him. That and the obligitory "new coach = 3 steps backward" argument. Would you be willing to bet a month's salary that they will win 9 or 10 games in the regular season next year? Look at the schedule, I'm not. But, of course that doesn't mean that JH or some other coach will instantly win either.
All I'm saying is, based on the numbers, I have my doubts across the board. I know the offense is young and should improve with age. The key word is "should". Without a bigger RB and bigger o-linemen, they will continue to struggle against the Wiscos and OSUs of this conference.
It just so happens that by beating MSU and having a winning record in the conference next year equates to at least 9-3.
Not necessarily. Out of conference, ND and SDSU aren't gimmes.
He's not going to announce RR's return because if we were to lose to OSU and the bowl game in embarrassing fashion he may be forced to make a change. Short of that happening I'd be shocked if RR got canned.
I think he's been about as supportive as humanly possible while employing a little CYA.
Brandon is on the sidelines for two quarters every game, and is at practice every day. Any decision he will make will be a quite informed one. He played for Michigan, he knows this program, and what it should be. I trust his judgment.
Why is it a good thing that the AD is on the sideline two quarters of a football game? It reminds one of Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder, neither of whom has enjoyed much resent success.
That makes me uneasy. If this is a temporary fact-finding thing, that's fine, but I don't want him constantly looking over the head coach's shoulder.
So you don't want him to have as complete of a perspective as possible when making the decision to retain or fire members of the coaching staff of his highest-profile program?
What CEO, when faced with a major portion of their business that is underperforming, doesn't spend a little more time getting to know what's going on there so if/when he has to make a decision, he is familiar as he can be with the situation at hand?
Brandon is doing the right thing here. It's his job to be vigilant. Michigan football nosedives, Michigan Athletics are in trouble.
As I said above: if this is a temporary fact-finding mission, I'm fine with it. But if he's always going to be peeking over the coach's shoulder, that could spell trouble down the road. Remember that RR and Beilein both left WVU in large part because they had a poor relationship with the AD (as did Bill Frieder when he was here).
Whether you like Jerry Jones or not he loves the Cowboys. He is a hands on owner who lets his passion ruin teams sometimes but I would take that over the Fords anyday. I like owners like Jones and Snyder who are willing to do whatever it takes to win even if their moves end up not panning out.
Personally I think Dave Brandon goes on the sidelines like Jones and Snyder do because they want to show their support to the team. Some AD's and owners are hands off but some want to show their support for their football team. I don't believe Brandon showing up on the sideline is like some bad omen for Rich Rod where he is looking over his shoulder. It's more to show his support for Rich and this young football team in my opinion.
The disadvantages of firing RR far outweigh the advantages. The defense can be fixed with another year of experience but if you fire RR, the whole staff goes with him. The defense gets better like it was going to while RR was there, but the offense takes a huge hit and won't be nearly as good.
With Michigan's offense and a top 30 defense, they can compete for a national title.