We could lose 77-0 against OSU. That might change his mind.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
We could lose 77-0 against OSU. That might change his mind.
To rephrase, I think the answer is YES, he has likely decided to keep RR, decide what to do about the defense and whether a change of staff there will help or not.
That said, if the team gets an Indiana-83 hung on them by OSU and perhaps similarly something horrible happens in the bowl game, AND someone worthy of being the next coach sends word that he might be available, maybe he makes the change.
barring that. . . I think there's some reason to believe he's quietly transmitting the message RichRod's returning.
1. Notice his relaxed attitude at last monday's presser; he was very relaxed even though he knew the next two weeks of footballwere going to be rough. I think that he knew at this point, he was good for next year and probably beyond. Compare this to how he was after the PSU game monday presser.
2. THe last time that I saw the RR caln at a umich hockey game was right after he was hired. Last night, the RR clan, minus RR, were in the athletic department seats. Let's face it, the hockey crowd can be rough, and they had no fears treading where the lions fear to tread. (and spartys, and broncos, etc)
To imply that a Big Ten offense could ever score that many points is just ludicrous.
go sec offense!!1!11!
He said he would evaluate the program after the season. But fuck that
commentary to date, friend?
That was the point. There is little to be said about this matter. In fact, if you include my version, and the guy who discussed a 77 point loss to OSU, I believe we have covered it almost entirely.
I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from.
I did, and read nothing new that Brandon hadn't before been saying. He's still saying he'll wait until the end of the year, and neither his tone nor his choice of language seem to suggest that anything's changed or will change until the end of the year. Do you have some quotes that trouble you?
it's almost a foregone conclusion that Brandon will have RR back next year.
If you want to believe DB at face value for his quotes, well, your career in politics will be short lived should it ever start. When Brandon says;
"It's not as simple as win-loss records. It's just not. People want to try to make it that simple, but there are so many things you have to look at when you measure the strength of a program."
That statement pretty much discounts W-L record as being relevant to RR's job stability, whether it's the horrible overall record over the previous 2 years or our ridiculous B10 record.
There have been numerous statements that DB has made over the course of the season that someone less lazy than myself can directly quote that seem to accomodate for RR's unfortunate lack of personnel or that can be inferred from the indication of a recruit who stated they were hesitant to commit due to coaching stability concerns until after speaking with DB.
If your point is that there's no quote available from DB that says RR is our guy next year, well, yeah. But it's obvious to minds of reasonable consideration that DB is just leaving himself a wee bit of wiggle room should shit go seriously wrong over the remainder of the season... and it hasn't.
RR's back next year and it doesn't take a weather cock to tell which way the wind blows.
He will make the right decision. Knows what he has to do to get this program back up on top. I have faith in him.
Well there are no guaruntees, but I'd guaruntee it. Some crazy off the field stuff would have to happen for me to think DB would let go of RR after this season. We have an awesome AD and I trust his decison, so no worries.
I've never seen someone wreck the word guarantee like you just did.
he is just channelling his favorite TV chef, Justin Wilson. He spelled it like Justin spoke it.
Rodriguez deserves the chance to let his freshmen and sophomores become seniors, and DB knows this. Expect RR back next year.
Is that logic? There is no room for logic with 2010 Michigan fans!!!!!!!!!! /s
he has decided to give RRod another year. RRod could help by making it easier by winning out but Brandon has the status and the maturity to hang tough through an offseason of some discontent.
On the defensive side of the ball, this is such a young team. The development these kids go through from the time they're 18 and 19 to the time they are 22, 23 is amazing, the amount of weight, speed and strength they gain. That's the case in all programs across the country. We've got a bunch of 18 and 19 year old guys out there trying to chase down and tackle and fight off blocks of 22 and 23 year old guys.
You don't get it in blogs and you don't get it reading a newspaper. If you want to know what's going on, you get inside the program and look at it carefully, and I try to do that with all of our sports. Keep in mind I'm spending time with a lot of our coaches and a lot of our student-athletes because that's how I find out what's really going on.
On offense not being a problem under Rodriguez, but defense being a major concern: "If you dig down below the surface of that, the real question is how did we end up with seven or eight freshmen or redshirt freshmen out there on the field at the same time? How did we get there? When you go back, you say, okay, who could we have gotten recruiting, who did we miss on, who left early and could be out there playing, who got hurt that could be out there being an impact player?
"You can kind of see, it's like everything else? there's no simple answer. It's a combination of losing some kids that really could have helped us by things we couldn't control, and probably putting ourselves in a position where we were relying on youth more than we want to and should be.
We're going to compete for the Big Ten championship and the right to go to the Rose Bowl. That's what Michigan football is all about. That's why coaches come here, that's why players come here and I can tell you, that's why athletic directors come here.
Damn Brandon for being so levelheaded. With that kind of talk we should fire him too for being a realist and logical. FIRE DAVE BRANDON!!! YOUNG PLAYERS, BAD LUCK, AND INEXPERIENCE ARE NO EXCUSE!!!
Srsly though, Dave Brandon knows what he is doing. Let us do the worrying about getting tickets when Michigan is firing on all cylinders and trust DB and RR. I mean do you really have a choice? Either get on board when the bandwagon isn't as easy to sit on, or get off and stay off when the bandwagon has nitro boosters and a sweet spoiler.
mean for GERG and the rest of the D coaching staff? All of those issues he raises could be used to describe GERG's situation too. I, for one, am hoping beyond hope the D staff is broomed and a new coordinator is given free reign to do what they see fit. Hopefully a D coordinator with current coaching success and recruiting chops to match.
knows except for maybe DB and RR. I wouldn't be that upset if he stayed. The only worry I have is if he brings more stuffed animals to games. If that is true, that is just weird.
RR said something about Vince Lombardi himself wouldn't be able to help this defense. GERG is no Vince Lombardi. He is dealing with a very scarce cabinet.
For now, just let the season play. It is like a bad song playing over and over again after a loss with people calling for everyone's head is rediculous. We aren't on the sideline, locker room, at practice, etc. Just sit back, enjoy the ride, and have a little trust in RR or at least DB to make the right choices. This isn't their first rodeo at making important decisions.. It is college football, not 'Nam.
Just had this argument with the people who I sit around in the stadium.
I hate that we blame GERG for this defensive mess. I really do. He may or may not be a good coach BUT consider what he had
1) Took a job where his staff was dictacted to him
2) Took a job where the scheme was dictated to him
3) Said scheme is not something he had run before
4) Defensive Back armageddon (transfers, ineligibility, injuries)
5) Something like 5 guys from his first defensive recruiting class never enroll
So with that said, for the many people who want to see GERG gone (and I must admit, I may be one), what will it matter if (1) RR insists the new guy has to have RR's boys as his staff (2) the new coordinator wasn't familiar or fond of the 3-3-5 and its imposed on him.
Further, it stands to reason that just by adding a year of experience on the players we have, only losing Rogers and Mouton but gaining back JT Floyd and Woolfolk, we should be better next year. But how much better? I love these guys for trying but the horses just aren't there defensively right now. Too little talent, way too young, and, at least against good big ten teams, we appear to be out sized. The question is, will one year significantly change that issue regardless of who the coordinator is? Its likely going to take three years of heavy recruiting AND recruiting quality AND quantity defensively AND making sure they're eligible to make it to campus.
I must admit, I'm happy we have three CB recruits and we're in on some safeties. Lord knows we needed some depth back there. But what concerns me is we haven't had a significant interior defensive line or MLB recruit that this staff has brought in the last two classes. Watching those monsterous linemen from Wiscy manhandle our defensive front seven (save Mike Martin) was sort of depressing.
this is an excellent post about GERG (honestly). i think what's hard here -- and it's true for rodriguez, too -- is figuring out the criteria that we should use for deciding whether to retain or dismiss a coach. there's a big difference between the "he deserves another year" and "he's the best guy for the job going forward" criteria.
i agree that GERG hasn't had a fair shot here, and in that sense he kind of deserves a little more patience. but is he the best guy for the job? probably not. for rodriguez, it's kind of the opposite. it's really hard to say that he's earned a fourth year, but it's possible that he is the best guy for us going forward (though i think there's a good case for harbaugh).
maybe you can use different criteria for the two positions, but i don't think it's obvious how you make those decisions. although "who's the best guy going forward?" seems like the big question, i wouldn't be a fan of dumping a legendary coach as soon as the next hot thing struck me as marginally more promising for the future. in that world, you no longer have your joe paternos.
Offensively,yes, but defense and special teams are huge question marks. Strictly basing our opinion on evidence, one can say that UM will have a great offense, horrid defense, and so so special teams. What that translates to in terms of W's and L's is 5-7 to 7-5. In other words, mediocrity.
Any prediction other than that is based on pure conjecture.
Players tripling their time in a college program between now and next September may lead rational minds to think the defense will be better. And that's how much more time every freshman who didn't enroll early will have. Add in the fact that the only players lost on the defensive side of the ball are Rogers and Mouton, it all points to a defense that is at least competent.
this is a horrible special team, not so so team.
I'm pretty sure he said he was coming to Michigan regardless of who the coach was. So I'm not sure that is really strong evidence to what you are suggesting.
I have faith in Brandon making the decisions about the coaching jobs that are best for Michigan, no matter what I think those decisions should be.
Brandon won't do anything rash in his first year as AD. The program has been through enough turmoil without piling a coaching change on top of it. He will "evaluate" but won't dismiss RR until after 2011 at the earliest, and only if we're noticeably digressing.
...because I've seen it all over the godamn place recently...
but you mean REGRESSING, not digressing.
Bonus: if you say "plus territory" to mean "in your opponents' side of the fifty" you should die.
We will have a lot more expirience next year and depth on both sides of the ball. If they coach, prepare, and evaluate the d side of the ball they will be better next season on defesne
what you mean by that.
I am of the opinion that Brandon either has to fire RR or extend him. A lame duck coach has an awful time recruiting in most cases. Is anyone concerned about this dynamic of the decision. I mean, in a perfect world, I'd give him another year. But it would be hard for me to extend him if I were the AD.
I agree with you, these interviews strongly lean to another year for RR. I hear DB watches film with RR on Sundays. I just hope next week, should we lose (which seems to be our trend against ranked Big10 teams), I hope the loss is more like last year and NOT like 2 years ago at O state.
Level headed Redacted...you're back?
What happened? What got you neg bombed?
Weren't you calling for RR's head a few weeks ago?
Just asking, I really thought you had.
What if the new coach quickly gained the confidence of both sets of kids? What if he had a smooth transition into A2? Just because RR had such a tough time doesn't mean all other coaches would.
In all likelihood, a new coach (for the sake of argument) would have to have a smoother transition, because loyalists to the old regime wouldn't be around to sabotage the new regime, and the state's largest newspaper wouldn't have people close enough to the program aiding and abetting a half-assed "investigation" that was nothing short of (h/t Chait) journalistic malpractice.
No coach should have to endure what RR has gone through. The program is still suffering and trying to recover from the vendettas of a few against a man that did nothing to deserve it. Not to mention the staggering misfortune with injuries, etc. that has plagued the team, particularly the defense.
It is unusual for a new head coach to keep the former staff. Urban Meyer kept one coach from Ron Zook's staff when he hired at Florida. Charlie Weis at ND kept none of Tyrone Willingham's staff, Brian Kelly kept one of Weis' staff, just for a few examples. It just doesn't happen.
There's a key distinction to be made here. When a coach replaces a guy who has been fired, yes, it's rare for him to retain any of his assistants. That was the case in the three examples you cited. However, when a coach replaces one who has voluntarily stepped down, he often does retain some of his assistants. As I've argued elsewhere, I think RR's biggest mistake was to act as though Carr had been fired when he wasn't. He should have worked to establish more continuity. Not doing so probably led to much of the attrition and poor attitudes among the Carr holdovers.
He fired all of Bump's assistants, save two, and brought his own guys. Michigan coaching legends like Gerry Hanlon, Gary Moeller, Larry Smith and Chuck Stobart were all guys whom Bo brought in, over the initial objection of Don Canham, who wanted Bo to mostly adopt all of Bump's former assistants.
Seems to me this indicates someone who is a bigger Rich Rodriguez fan than a Michigan Football fan.
No coach is bigger than The Team.
It does seem like some around here are more focused on keeping RR employed than anything. Hey, I want him to win badly, but if he's not the guy, he's not the guy. That's how it goes.
Exactly. I really think it's a validation thing. They want so badly to have been right all along, and won't consider any scenario where RR isn't the coach leading us to a BCS title. Although they were also probably the same folks who were saying after he was hired that it was going to happen last year.
The team got younger and we are still a minimum of two games better than last year. That is progress. Breaking offensive records with a first year starter at QB is progress. Winning games despite having to field a MASH unit is progress.
Our progress is slower than we had hoped, but it is still progress. Gerg will probably have to fall on his sword because of our defensive shortcomings, but hopefully a new DC + a team that is not all freshmen = defensive competence. A competent defense, when combined with this offense with another year under its belt, will win a lot of games and should enable us to compete with anybody.
Let dahblue enjoy this Mich loss, he hasn't been able to post for two weeks.
that RR will be back next year.
However, I think I read somewhere that DB will evaluate after the season.
Agreed. And I have gotten the sense that DB is leaning toward getting rid of RR. Other feel the opposite. Funny.
I believe in DB and hope he notices that we have become Minnesota and Purdue and Illinois, expect more, and make the right decision. Nothing he has said in an interview makes me feel like he has decided to keep RR.
for the logical thinking that is obvious in his interview. And logical thinking points to progress. May not be as fast as you like it, but I guess all I can tell you is tough shit.
Your illogical comments makes me to believe the opposite of what you say. Yay! RR is coming back!
You seem to have your mind made up - and have been making it abundantly clear today that you expect RR to be gone - so I'll respect it, even if I think you are way off. But Minny, Purdue, and Illinois are nowhere near where UM has been or will be, even if you hate RR and want to see him gone. UM has improved by 2 wins each of the past 2 years, and may very well win 1-2 more games this year. That's progress, and I think Brandon sees it. He knows far more about the program than anyone here, and I trust that he'll make the right decision. I suspect that will be to keep RR provided some changes are made to his staff, and I fully expect this team to take another leap forward next year.
I'm not going to argue with anything you wrote. The thing that makes me mad about this 2 win per year argument, is that part of the negativity associated with RR is the fact that he lost multiple games in his first 2 years that he probably should have won (Toledo, Purdue twice, Illinois, possibly others). The point is, you are essentially rewarding him for losing games he shouldn't have lost by giving him credit for improving. We still havent beat a top level conference opponent, and really haven't been very close.
If Brandon has already decided to keep the coach, he would be publicly endorsing him this week -- to rally the troops for OSU. That would be the smart and fairly obvious play. He'd have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Brandon's continued silence suggests that he isn't fully committed to RR.
I've thought this same thing for the past 3 weeks. I'll take it one step further and say that Brandon's silence is deafening.
he feels he doesn't have to do that because he still has another year in his contract and there is no reason to make a rash decision that could have profound effects on the culture of Michiagn football. For F's sakes, ND gave Charlie Fupa 5! So if another coach doesn't come in and win a B10 championship in three years regardless of signs pointing to progress, they should be fired? We would then be worse than ND, and I don't even want to be compared to those guys let alone be worse.
That's a valid point, but then again, it's Brandon's first year, so we don't really know how he operates. All we can go on is what he's said - that he'll evaluate RR at the end of the season. (I'm curious to know if that means after OSU or after the bowl.)
if he has repeatedly said he makes the decision at year's end. Meanwhile, he's making lots of noises of support. Could be, as a poster below suggests, that he's pretty cagey--and I accept that he reserves the right to take a decision based on all the available evidence at a moment of his choosing (e.g. one of Harbaugh's people calls, says he wants out at Standford and wants out now. . .) But all that being the case I still think that he's making strong noises of support.
If you think the players need to "rally" around RR for the OSU game and that would be accomplished by Brandon publicly saying RR is coming back (he might very well have told them privately), then I don't know what to say to you. This is one of the biggest rivalries in sport, and the players will be up for it. These players like this coach, and they play hard for him. They might not play well, but at no point this season did I see one player who wasn't 100% in for this team and this coaching staff.
How would you be able to see that a player isn't 100% for the team/staff? From a distance it can be hard to tell. I don't think anyone expected Emilien to bolt after one week, for instance.
When Brandon says, "It's not simply about wins and losses" most people interpret this to mean he supports RR. But what he could be saying is that even if Michigan wins 7 or 8 games, and the AD doesn't like what is going on behind the scenes of Michigan football, things could call for a change.
I'm surprised to keep seeing this. Doesn't anyone remember Dave Brandon going on a media blitz to soften up the blow for us when they moved the OSU game to mid season? The guy is a business man who manages his product and expectations. He knows that silence speaks volume, so he has to say and do the right things to avoid any sort of lame duck scenarios. This is his only option. He's left himself more than enough wiggle room to go either way with this decision.
Will be here through 2011, and likely at least finish his contract through 2012.
There's improvement. Is it enough? Well, probably not, judging by most fans. But are things bad enough to warrant a coaching change, another transition period, recruits leaving, etc.?
Some coaches peak very quickly before falling into a period of mediocrity (Mack Brown and Texas, Urban Meyer and Florida). Others, like Rodriguez, get their mediocrity out at the beginning.
It's just too early.
I'm just glad I am not the one making decisions.
I wouldn't write off Brown and Meyer just yet. They are each going through one mediocre season. It's way too early to assume they won't return their programs to the elite. Given the way they each recruit, I'd be surprised if it didn't happen.
As for RR "getting his mediocrity out at the beginning," I hope that's true. My underlying fear is that he needs Casteel (or someone similar) to be his right-hand man to truly achieve big things, and that he might not get him here.
I'm betting a lot of fans would argue that Mack Brown would have hit the road along time ago without Muschamp as his DC...it's not a sign of weakness to have good coordinators as a head coach. It's a necessity in this day and age and the mark of a good head coach.
RR will be back next year and the decision he makes as to who his DC is will go along way in deciding what kind of a future he has at Michigan (and maybe beyond).
Really? Who's your example for a superior coach, then? I'm with you on the rest of your post, but there must be better examples of coaches who peaked then settled into mediocrity. Let's wait and see how they do next year to see what sort of trend they establish post Tebow and McCoy.
Going into this year pretty much everyone said 6 or 7 wins. I think that expectation was realistic with the injuries and the youth. After the NCAA investigation ended and the team won games 6 and 7 I think most sound people would say that Rich would be back.
After we beat OSU next week even the haters will be on board.
they are going to beat us soundly.
Yes, 6 or 7 wins was predicted. Who ever said the prediction total was acceptable though? If I thought team x was gonna suck so bad they would only win 1 game and it came true, does that mean "yeah, we met expectations, extend the coaches contract!!!" ?
I'm just not sure as a fan how you can find this acceptable.. Progress? Well, yah it sure is a pretty offense. You beat the teams you should, ND, UMass, Indiana, Illinois, UConn, BG, 3OT to Illinois and Purdue. All teams with .500 and lower records. Against stiff competition, in year 3 of a regime, I would expect errr...Competitiveness? You got housed by MSU, Iowa, PSU (With a walkon QB), and Wisconsin.
Even though you would never say it, you are expecting a loss against OSU next week. Much like this week, according to some recent posters (Hindsight is 20-20). Expecting losses is the last thing I would expect to hear from you guys.
...Waste your time trolling this blog, giving an opinion no one cares about.
see my reply to the post just above you.
Even if he does want to make a move, I wonder if the business aspect of him will shell out the dough. Just wondering, I really don't know.
Untrue. Brandon will and must voice an opinion on RR, either now or immediately after the season. We just don't know what he'll say. So, given that he has to say something, why wait till later? The sooner he voices support, the more he stabilizes (somewhat) a fragile situation. He doesn't want everyone -- fans, players, recruits -- constantly wondering and speculating and gossiping. I'm sure he would have loved to say, in recent weeks, "I have complete confidence in Rich, and expect great things from him next season." But he didn't say it. Because he wasn't sure.
Also, I seriously doubt he's done a "silent commit" type deal with Richrod. Because, again, why would he? If RR is his man, there's no reason to keep it under wraps.
sounds like crazy talk.
If you want to know what the meaning of the word is... is, ask that dude that monica blew, because he said "it depends."
I hope that clears things up.
I don't know if he's already decided, but I have to say that if he had already decided, I would have thought that he'd have announced it definitively -- that kind of announcement is nothing but good for the program, and the uncertainty is nothing but bad for the program.
So, while I have no idea what the "smart AD" move would be, I think it probably would be consistent with the paragraph above. Which leads me to think that he hasn't already decided "he's coming back," because if he had he'd have announced it. But maybe he knows that everyone knows that, so he can't announce it, because that would mean that a non-announcement next year at this time of the season if there were any uncertainty would let everyone know that he's gone. The old Romanian Pensioner scam. (I just made that up because "Spanish Prisoner" was taken.)
Outsmarted by Brandon again.
He spend the 1st and 4th quarters on the sideline with the team and hob nobs with the big $$$ people in the middle. He has a good idea what goes on behind the scenes and how the players react to the staff. I trust his judgement more than my own. Especially right now since I am having serious doubts about all three phases of the game.
Personally, I want a new DC and D staff, pickewd by the DC and let him run his own scheme. If it was Casteel, let's say, and he wants to run the 3-3-5 and brings in his guys, then fine. If it's a 4-3 guy and RR forces him to run the 3-3-5, then I question thse staff from the top down.
There is no question that the offense has potential and should improve with experience and age, but based on the performances in the first half of the MSU, Iowa, PSU and Wisky games, this offense has a lot to prove.
We know about the defense, but the special teams, the kicking, the punting(I know Hagerup is a Fr), the return games both punting and kicking and the coverage are all suspect. There is a lot to fix by next season and the schedule will be tougher than this season.
I have to trust Brandon, but if this group stays and they don't at least win five games in the conference, including MSU and give OSU a real fight, then they should all be gone. There are no more excuses next year.
If Brandon has made a decision he hasn't made it publicly and until he does its going to fuel bad publicity and hurt recruiting. He doesn't strike me as someone who would want to hurt the football team unless there was a valid reason to do so.
Until he says something publicly the rumors are just going to get worse and worse
DB has supported RR as much as he can. I'm hoping he doesn't publicly support him since that's the kiss of death in the sporting world. If the GM/AD has to publicly support his coach, that coach's job is done. Over. Kaputs.
number. I'm simply saying that RR cannot continue to lose to our rivals and only be competitive against the weaker teams in the conference. It just so happens that by beating MSU and having a winning record in the conference next year equates to at least 9-3. Personally, if he doesn't beat ND, MSU AND OSU next season, he should be kicked out the door.
The standards have obviously dropped and any other coach that compiled a record of atrocious conference numbers like this staff has, would be gone in a second. If you look simply at the numbers, the W-L, the inability to compete with the upper echelon teams in the conference and the struggles with the lower teams, (UMass, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois), and of course the defensive mess, there is no good argument to keep RR.
Potential is the only thing you can hang your arguments on to keep him. That and the obligitory "new coach = 3 steps backward" argument. Would you be willing to bet a month's salary that they will win 9 or 10 games in the regular season next year? Look at the schedule, I'm not. But, of course that doesn't mean that JH or some other coach will instantly win either.
All I'm saying is, based on the numbers, I have my doubts across the board. I know the offense is young and should improve with age. The key word is "should". Without a bigger RB and bigger o-linemen, they will continue to struggle against the Wiscos and OSUs of this conference.
It just so happens that by beating MSU and having a winning record in the conference next year equates to at least 9-3.
Not necessarily. Out of conference, ND and SDSU aren't gimmes.
He's not going to announce RR's return because if we were to lose to OSU and the bowl game in embarrassing fashion he may be forced to make a change. Short of that happening I'd be shocked if RR got canned.
I think he's been about as supportive as humanly possible while employing a little CYA.
Brandon is on the sidelines for two quarters every game, and is at practice every day. Any decision he will make will be a quite informed one. He played for Michigan, he knows this program, and what it should be. I trust his judgment.
Why is it a good thing that the AD is on the sideline two quarters of a football game? It reminds one of Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder, neither of whom has enjoyed much resent success.
That makes me uneasy. If this is a temporary fact-finding thing, that's fine, but I don't want him constantly looking over the head coach's shoulder.
So you don't want him to have as complete of a perspective as possible when making the decision to retain or fire members of the coaching staff of his highest-profile program?
What CEO, when faced with a major portion of their business that is underperforming, doesn't spend a little more time getting to know what's going on there so if/when he has to make a decision, he is familiar as he can be with the situation at hand?
Brandon is doing the right thing here. It's his job to be vigilant. Michigan football nosedives, Michigan Athletics are in trouble.
As I said above: if this is a temporary fact-finding mission, I'm fine with it. But if he's always going to be peeking over the coach's shoulder, that could spell trouble down the road. Remember that RR and Beilein both left WVU in large part because they had a poor relationship with the AD (as did Bill Frieder when he was here).
Whether you like Jerry Jones or not he loves the Cowboys. He is a hands on owner who lets his passion ruin teams sometimes but I would take that over the Fords anyday. I like owners like Jones and Snyder who are willing to do whatever it takes to win even if their moves end up not panning out.
Personally I think Dave Brandon goes on the sidelines like Jones and Snyder do because they want to show their support to the team. Some AD's and owners are hands off but some want to show their support for their football team. I don't believe Brandon showing up on the sideline is like some bad omen for Rich Rod where he is looking over his shoulder. It's more to show his support for Rich and this young football team in my opinion.
The disadvantages of firing RR far outweigh the advantages. The defense can be fixed with another year of experience but if you fire RR, the whole staff goes with him. The defense gets better like it was going to while RR was there, but the offense takes a huge hit and won't be nearly as good.
With Michigan's offense and a top 30 defense, they can compete for a national title.
That's the same WI offense he beat his first year.
Rich is staying. (GERG may be another matter.)
So how is the D front going to get better next year? I see a few recruits there but more help is needed. Any young kids coming in could play but are still a few years away from where they need to be physically. Just not seeing how the D will make the jump he needs to makes in 2011. Please surprise me and stop pounding on the ground we take. Go Blue !!!
He's doing his due diligence, getting input, making calls, hanging around the sidelines, etc. I'm not so sure he's decided how extensive the change is going to be and what position UM's in. He's a sharp dude and I'm sure will make the right calls.
be fired? Based on his track record in recruiting, it would be a blessing if the recruits backed off their commitments.
But for Pat White, RR and his group would be coaching somewhere in AA-1 school. Michigan has been had and the Big Ten coaching fraternity is hoping and praying that DB retains him as coach.
Think about if DR is able to stay health. Next year he will be facing defensive scheme that have faced him before and they will reduce his effectiveness.
What wins in the BIg Ten and other elite conferences is size, speed and excellent defense. RR's model is speed, quickness and undersized player makers. He knows nothing about defense.
We are in deep trouble.
football has gone through endless permutations over a century-and-a-half, and some people want us stuck in amber, playing the way Walsh's Stanford teams did in the late 80s. It's not even logical; with a good D we have won all our games, and with the spread. The same people making such arguments fail to recognize how many offensive changes Bo himself went through, or the O under Mo and Lloyd.
" It's not even logical; with a good D we have won all our games, and with the spread."
logic - we don't have a good D and we haven't won many games. like evolution, only quality permutations should be retained.
the spread is not the problem here. And a good D can be put together. So people complaining about RichRod because he runs a spread o are not logical. Period.
"And a good D can be put together."
It's been 3 years, what's the hold up?
it's very difficult to put together two great units in such a short time period. For as young and ill-equipped, skill-set wise, as the offense was, he's put together a damn good one w/o the special effects of a speed back, like Hart and Hayes. The proble was two-fold, however, because on the high side he inherited 24 defensive players, barely enough for a two deep. By some counts, he only inherited 21 with a DL, great blitzing backer and cb on the way out.
You do the math and you'll probably come to a different conclusion and understand he had to spend a lot of time and recruits in repleneshing our offense, but all signs indicate the past two seasons, he's done the same with the defense.
Have you ever heard of Ore? Did you hear Kelly's quote on what he looks for in a recruit? Did you know the system had been put in place prior to his arrival by Belloti?
I don't think Mr. Brandon has made a decision yet. I honestly think - from a business standpoint- that he is honestly looking at Long-Term and Short-Term goals for the 'business'. Brandon =/= Martin. Brandon also played for UM and I'm SURE he wants to see this program become elite and mesh together the Success Carr had with the National Success WVU saw under RR. I bet Brandon waits on his COMPLETE Decision until a) the regular season is over, b) can evaluate this team over the RR era- Records, Students-Athletes, Problems, NCAA investigation, etc.
In my honest opinion and gut feeling... Brandon will meet with multiple potential replacements such as Harbaugh, Miles, and other candidates... and try and gather what they think about Michigan's Program and if they are PASSIONATE about it. I also think in the Post-Interviews with the Coaches of the Current team he will weed people out IF he decides to KEEP Rod.
Keeping Rod probably puts us around 8-10 wins next year and possible stepping stones to be a Big Ten Power. Firing Rod probably puts us around 6-9 wins with coaching change and attrition, new system?, but which will be better LONG TERM? What is going to Make Michigan... MICHIGAN again? Where "The Game" becomes relevant. Ohio State has a GREAT leader in Tressel; as much as we all HATE them, respect that he has built a SOLID program there, and has cheated less than previous OSU coaches. Has [some] class and does what good coaches do and build a team around the athletes he has.
I have put my Trust in Brandon, and I believe he will do what is right for the program in the Long-Term aspect. If he decides to Keep Rich, then I am going to stay a Rich Rod Supporter. Unlike Martin, I believe Brandon will make the University profitable, as well as being well recognized as THE university of Michigan, again. He may want that kind of a coach in Harbaugh that will TELL it LIKE IT is... won't sacrifice Image for a "W". I personally like that he called out the University, before it got out of hand... UM Athletes HAVE been given an easier road if they want it....
I feel that Coach Rodriguez is currently safe but that can change. A blowout loss to Ohio State and an embarrassment in the bowl game may seal his fate.
Prior to the Champs Sports Bowl in 2004, Syracuse coach Paul Pasqualoni was safe for returning the next year until SU was embarrassed on national TV and the decision was basically made on the sideline after the game.
The most important thing about Michigan football is beating those rat bastards in Columbus. If he gets blown out again, I can't see how you can bring him back.
The young man wanted to come to Michigan from day one. He opted for ND because he wasn't certain RR would still be here upon his arrival. Does his change of heart indicate he knows something the rest of us don't? There's no guarantee to the answer to that question, however...........................
Brandon has to keep him. Even if Harbaugh is a Michigan man, I will not have 3 more years of rebuilding. I can't take it.