That is accurate according to Hart.
Hart's Leaders Changed?
but what does he know
It breaks my hart if he doesn't come to Michigan
although this will lead to some serious hart palpitations for much of the fanbase. If he commits elsewhere a large number of hartfelt topics will get posted about how RichRod lacks the hart to close the deal with elite recruits.
I will find that dishartening.
Your trying way to hard...
you're trying way to Hart?
In the process of correcting "your" to "you're" did you possibly consider changing "to" to "too" as well? If you're going to be a grammar Nazi, go all out.
In the process of being a douchebag, did you possibly consider that my post had absolutely nothing to do with grammar?
You gotta love online ad hominem attacks.
Have a great day.
Hope you have a good one, as well.
But it would certainly hurt to not get him.
a football recruiting class (at least in my opinion), especially one that's 11 months away from signing day. There are multiple offers out to RB's already and new RB targets will emerge.
Yes it would suck to lose out on Hart but shit happens and this has been coming ever since he didn't come to the OSU game. Even TomVH has been dropping words of caution the last week or so.
And as to the OP, Hart gave essentially the same quotes to Auburn Scout so I doubt both sites got it wrong.
This is where I come down on it as well. By far the biggest issue has been the two losing seasons. When the winning resumes, which I fully expect to occur this fall, everything will change. As much as we would like this recruit and/or others 2010 results will be determined by the players on campus now and those arriving this summer. By this time next year we will have a winning season, likely bowl victory, the "scandal" will be history, and these recruiting "issues" will evaporate. The entire landscape will change rapidly and dramatically.
There are some good RB's out there this year, and we are relatively deep at RB as far as numbers go. Just lacking experience, which can be scary.
Wasonga out of West Virginia has had some very positive things said about him. Rivals lists his 40 as 4.7... so that's probably why his only BCS offers are West Virginia and Michigan. If he camps this summer and shows some things, he could land some more BCS offers. He could be
Justice Hayes from Grand Blanc would be a great pick up.
Jarrel Oliver from Texas seems like a poor mans Hart, if you look at the measurables. Think Fred Jackson has been on him for a while, so he must really like something about him.
Wasonga definitely ran a 4.40 or below.
Probably not, though.
Rephrase: a "camp/coaches timed" 4.40.
The statistical part of my brain suggests that every projection about recruits should be acccompanied by a confidence interval.
Alternatively, we might need to change the name for this kid on the '11 recruiting page from "Locky McLockerstein" to something else.....
I said this a couple days ago, but his family is playing a lot into this. They're all concerned about the allegations, which has caused them to think twice about a lot of things.
Also, related to him and others, I've talked to probably around 6 recruits that have wondered why Michigan hasn't been calling lately. It's obviously because they have to follow the rules, and they're under the microscope, but most of these kids didn't know that. Evaluation period doesn't start until April 15th, which is when they are allowed more contact.
It's putting Michigan behind.
If kids are pointing out specifically that Michigan has stopped contacting them, does that mean they are still being contacted by others during this "dead period"?
When these kids talk about Michigan not contacting them, I'm assuming you tell them that it's illegal, right?
The bad thing is...if you tell them it's illegal for the coaches to contact them, they might be thinking, "Yeah, well NOW they're following the rules since they just got hit with major violation allegations" rather than "Wow, these coaches are on the up and up." I just wonder if there's always going to be that suspicion now...
Yes, I tell them it's illegal. They usually are more relieved then they are suspicious. Most of them don't even understand what the allegations are for, to be honest.
It's always been a good reaction when I tell them they're following the rules.
I feel like most people don't understand the allegations. All they probably hear is "major violations" and "practicing too long."
It would probably be a good idea for the coaches to take the time to tell each recruit exactly what happened and/or send them a letter that explains the situation. For example, say "So-and-so has been fired for watching 7-on-7s when he shouldn't have. Our practice times went over on a handful of days because we spent extra time stretching. Etc." Of course, they might be planning to do that, but I think it would be worthwhile.
Are you allowed to have that conversation with them? Explaining those types of NCAA rules and what not? Forgive me for my ignorance on what is and isn't considered recruiting for a school or helping a school out with people in your position, or scout, or rivals and such.
Does that mean other schools are calling lately?
you are only worried Michigan isn't contacting you because other schools are.
That tells me other schools are contacting illegally
You definitely deserve a +1 for your deductive reasoning.
Trying to bouild a positive case for the program. The rest of the world is trying to eat us alive.
NM, duplicated other post.
I'm not sure if it's allowable, but are you able to enlighten them as to why the coaches can't contact them?
Just curious, I don't know the rules and certainly don't want to break any or have Tom involved with it (which I'm certain isn't the case.)
Lists his decision date between now and May 1.
Not freaking out yet. He should be on campus between now and then.
Its early. Remember, Ricardo is a friend of his and lets wait for an in home and see where we stand.
I'm going to use the sentence that seems to wrap up every issue at this point in time...
RR just needs to win.
He might find that a tad difficult between now and May 1st. Unless he manages to align himself quickly with whichever side wins the spring game.
That is true. Luckily, though, between Hart's commitment time and when he signs on National Signing Day, Rodriguez will have plenty of opportunities to show whether he's a winner or not.
so i can take out my 'henne has hart' t-shirt
The fact that schools all over the country are busily contacting recruits when it's against NCAA regs to do so is no secret, and if the NCAA had the slightest interest in cracking down on the practice it would find ample evidence. However, that would require some work and initiative on their part, and unless a major city newspaper is going to make an issue of it and do the legwork for them, they're not going to lift a finger.
Which school benefits more: the one that goes over the practice limits 20 minutes in a week and has a QC guy attend some off-season workouts when he shouldn't have, or is it the school that is working the phones and emails to 4- and 5-star recruits when it's supposed to be a dead period?
Unfortunately, we can no longer use the argument "Michigan has a clean record, so the NCAA should crack down on the ones who break the rules." The fact is, both types of actions "help" their respective programs. What you're doing here is splitting hairs, really.
I'm not arguing that Michigan did not break NCAA rules. I do believe that our transgressions are in fact less serious than the kind of recruiting violation that contacting highly-ranked kids in a dead period is, and that the "help" we obtained via our violations was very negligible. I think it's revealing and significant that the NCAA admits on its own website that the practice time rules are nebulous and hard to understand and follow.
Whatever, I realize that these are my subjective epinions and are irrelevant to the issue; it's what the recruits and their parents think that matters. There's no doubt that every other program in the country will use the violations as a club to whack RR and Michigan over the head with from now until NSD 2011, and beyond. Even if we go 9-3 and win a bowl game, they'll still use it against us in recruiting.
sell. Even though it is true. Stating that UM broke some rule does sell even though the facts are inaccurate. This is the pathetic world we live in.
The negative impact is definitely compounded in that we can't respond to the undoubtedly trumped up charges being thrown out by these other schools during this period.
I'm sure some of these kids think Michigan is headed for the Death Penalty based on what other coaches are insinuating.
Your avatar is awesome!
i'm glad we have a small class this year.
Please step up and talk to your boy!
some kid says, absolutely, positively he is going to UM ... and to boot will commit soon. Can't trust a kid.
Gotta wait to signing day 2011. Its March 2010 and much can change. That being said, sounds like he is getting feed bad info. Go Wings. Go Blue.
would have been a better title
hopefully we will land this kid and I got a feeling we will!
I love Hart, and want him to come to Michigan. However, if there were some way to bring in another Tyrone Wheatley type back I would take him over any back in the country.
IMO Michigan needs a big and fast RB for the Big 10.
Every team in every conference ever wants a big and fast running back.
Mike Hart was neither, and he seemed to do just fine.
is built like Minor and runs like the wind. In him we have a big back that is fast. What we need is for him to get healthy and live up to the expectations people had for him. I really hope he does because I have been excited about him playing for UM since he signed. This is the perfect opportunity for him to step up and take the starting role.
Michael Shaw and Brandon Minor aren't really built alike at all.
For Tom or anybody in the know that has a good gauge.
1-10, 10 being we get him, what would you say is your guess as of this moment? Are we really that up against it with him?
with him tonight. I would put it solidly at a 3.
I just think Michigan needs to be much more physical at RB, and the LOS. I do not want scat backs that are limited in what they're able to accomplish because of a lack of size, strength, speed, or what have you.
Mike Hart's success in the Big 10 runs contrary to this argument, but he had an entirely different supporting cast and offense.
We saw the difference between Minor and anyone else out of our backfield. I'd just like to see us be more physical.
It would kind of bum me out to not get Hart just because I think he is a good kid and looked to be a lock at one point. The more I look at this Justice Hayes kid he impresses me, and wouldn't mind getting him if Hart has a change of Heart....
I'll pass this along:
Rivals has an article up (http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1060509) entitled "Michigan has work to do with Hart".
Things aren't great. He lists a top 3 of Florida, Auburn and Bama and basically says that he knows who the coach is going to be at those schools, and he can't confidently say the same about Michigan at this point.
He plans to enroll early, which means an earlier decision, but he still plans to take all 5 official visits. One of those most likely to UM since it appears he's NOT coming to the Spring Game anymore, as was originally thought.
Succeed on the field and a lot of these problems disappear. Problem is, you have to wait a while in order to prove to recruits that you will succeed, talk simply isn't going to work anymore with all the negative publicity out there.