Well Bailey is on campus right now, so on to the next one.Why is he sideways?
Harris to MSU
the Cool Runnings haircut. Feel the rhythm feel the rhyme get out the way it's bobsled time!
definitely didn't originate with or become popularized by Cool Runnings....
Patrick Ewing wonders if you are serious..
Is McQuay with him?
I should also give love to Tom VH, I got the picture off of twitter!
Is he in the 1993 recruiting class or did fades come back and no one let me know? Perhaps house party 4: Next Class.
I guess you didn't get the memo, but the fade has made a triumphant return. Please do not read into that thinking there's sarcasm, I am being very serious. I see it on a daily basis as of late.
Obviously, you haven't seen his highlights film. If you had, you would know he's like Spiderman and can walk on almost any surface.
Didn't he just finish visiting ND? Those coaches know how to not-so -subtlely make their point.
No real surprise here, Izzo has been recruiting him for bball for awhile.
he can play baseball too!! That's fantastic!
I guess he will fit in their new all-receiver offense seeing something like their last 5 commits have been WRs or TEs.
Seriously though, on the bright side, at least Michigan coaches found out early and have time to focus on other prospects.
Unfortunately for them we're now using DBs again at Michigan.
Good for them! Win some (most) lose some!
I wonder if he will really play both sports. Few can do that successfully.
With the new rules allowing college basketball coaches to work with their kids more during the summer, athletes choosing to play both football and basketball will probably find it even more challenging.
Every hour the basketball coach is allowed to spend with him, that's an hour he won't be able to spend on informal workouts with the football team.
Meh. We have plenty of fish to fry, them, not so much.
mmm fried fish
He can now get an early jump on the football teams mandatory steroid use program.
Seriously good pull for them. Good kid, great talent and excellent work all around on their parts. Surprised by Spartys ability to get such good skill players. I wonder who heads up their recruiting in that segment.
OT but somewhat relevant... Monte Morris 2013 PG from State champs Flint Beecher has verbally committed to Iowa State. Morris was offered by M. Congrats to Monte Morris
Well, there is no doubt that Michigan State will have some solid receivers for the next 5 years. I'm happy we have guys that can cover.
You could have Megatron running aroung out there, but it won't do you any good if you can't protect the QB. Perhaps MD should stop recruiting like Matt Millen drafted.
Now that my suspicion has been confirmed, time to mow the lawn in 100 degree weather. Nothing like diverting my "FINE. BE THAT WAY" mentality towards a hot date with a push-mower and a bunch of weeds.
Honestly though, it's too early to care too much. Congrats, Harris. See you in three years or somethin'.
Oh well.....go get Mr. Webb and this will be forgotten in 2 mins.
Is Sam Webb going to play wide receiver for us?
that's his gut feeling
This is a big loss, but I have a feeling we will be alright. No question he is a valuable prospect, but if we can wrap up Bailey or Treadwell this year, and get a quality reciever or two next year, then this won't sting at all.
I think people keep forgetting that he will probably eventually go down to just one sport. He's a great football and basketball player, but he's not THAT amazing in either one individually. Together, he's amazing, but if he eventually goes down to just one, I don't think this is as big of a loss as most assume. I don't like that he's going to MSU, but like I said, I think this won't matter as much as many think
He is still a top 100 prospect regardless of whether he goes to just one sport or not. I don't think this will kill us by any means. I still think we get McDowell and Booker in basketball. However, we still just lost a top tier instate kid. Will it kill us? no. But like it or not it is a loss, we will recover no dount though.
Harris is obviously a great high school player, and could very well be a star in EL, but no single recruit or player is bigger than the University of Michigan football team. I hope he does great at MSU, as long as he never wins a game against Michigan.
Does anyone else think the Spartans maybe using? I have a buddy of mine who is an ER doc who swears he is convinced some of their players are on PEDs because of some odd lab values from ER visits. I have to say their kids are huge - middling three stars who put on a lot of weight rather quickly.
I guess time will tell but his suspicion got me thinking. Just look at game film and on the defensive side of the ball especially it will seem plausible.
Alternatively our strength and conditioning the last few years could just suck.
Magnus you might know the answer to this...
No offense, but this is stupid.
None taken honestly
Wow, you are really going out on a limb here.
If they are, then the Wisconsin offensive line is DEFINITELY on something.
Joking aside, I don't know you or your ER doc, but this means nothing to me.
Bratwursts and lots and lots of cheese
Don't be an idiot. Speculating on something like that is right up there with things I see on spartan and buckeye blogs.
I would be lying if I said the thought hasn't crossed my mind.
I think an easy way to determine if this is true is to observe weight gain over springs and summers if they are truthful. It just appears to me that the dramatic size difference over two seasons for their players is just surprising.
I'm not saying it particularly matters but people like Magnus will come on and say things such as "this is normal weight gain in any off season conditioning program". But it just appears that they have had a dramatic size change of late.
It means nothing in terms of performance against us - that I concur with.
I kind of am scarred from the steroid era in baseball. Whenever someone does something way beyond the norm, I think that there PED's being used. I know it isn't fair and that some people do it right. But take for example Tiger Woods. Not many people know that the PGA Tour started testing for steroids a couple years ago, right before Tiger won his last U.S. Open and had a bad knee and Tiger was linked with that Dr. that prescribed some steroids to other athletes. Well now Tiger isn't the same, say what you will about his cheating but maybe he was using steroids as well. I look at MSU in almost the same way. They kind of just come out of nowhere to have two 11-2 seasons and their defense has become a powerhouse based on 3 stars. I know ratings can be overrated but it comes to a point where you question this. If I recall, history has shown that PED's could be used here as well. Wasn't the last time MSU was in the Rose Bowl the team got in trouble with steroids under Perle's reign?
because the key to being a good golfer is to be as muscular as possible.
Steroids in baseball & golf (and most other sports besides football) are not about gaining muscle mass. They are used to speed recovery. REF: PETTITE AND CLEMENTS, in addition to almost every other baseball player who used.
Steroids in baseball & golf (and most other sports besides football) are not about gaining muscle mass. They are used to speed recovery. REF: PETTITE AND CLEMENTS, in addition to almost every other baseball player who used.
IDK. That's quite the speculation. A lot of people accused Gholston of being juiced last fall after trying to take out Denard. If he would have tested positive, we'd have known by now. This talk isn't mgoblog material.
Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't PED testing almost nonexistant in college football?
is usually done at NCAA championship events. In-season testing by the NCAA is done by randomly drawing a school, randomly drawing a sport and randomly drawing athletes (x/341, x/8 and x/115, I'm assuming those x's aren't big numbers [they test three for softball, from the experience I know of]).
That said, pretty much every school does their own testing and MSU would be risking some very very serious sanctions if it didn't report a positive PED test to the NCAA.
Sparty did not fail here. Finally, Sparty succeeds.
It's not like Sparty is ever going to go to an NCAA Championship event.
I'm sure they'd be totally above board about reporting any concerns.
In fact, a group of masked men enforce these high standards at MSU.
the 3rd string kicker and band equipment coordinator are tested rigorously. It's borderline overkill.
Did you really mean to say you watched ER at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
1. Your ER doc friend may be violating HIPAA. He should keep his mouth shut about patients' lab values.
2. Standard ER labs would not pick up PEDs. It might pick up some blood doping, but that would only be useful immediately prior to a game.
3. Give MSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin credit - they develop kids pretty well. Granted, the Iowa S&C folks nearly killed a couple kids with winter workouts but what's a little renal failure between friends and coaches.
I am not naive, I do think players are using "helpers" to get bigger. I don't think, however, that it is an isolated problem for only one school or conference.
except that the ER doc could be in violation of HIPAA. He didn't mention anyone's name and didn't seem to give away enough information (unles the poster didn't share everything he was told) for anyone to determine who it was he was talking about. It really isn't any different than a Dr. saying he had a guy from Yarmouth Nova Scotia who tested positive for PED's.
The stuff you mentioned about the labs was spot on though. Unless they were specifically screening for PED's, they wouldn't show up on a regular ER CBC, lytes, creatinine etc.
I half agree with you regarding the HIPAA violation. While he may not have given much info, saying that there were abnormal lab values on some of the MSU football players tests could get him into trouble just for the possible rumors that could start by even implying such a thing. Also, high profile patients are usually not to be spoken of, and that includes football players as well. Correct me if I am wrong though, my brain is still a little dead since taking step 1 last week.
Stupid comment, but I do like your username
Uh oh, Denard didnt have those triceps last year. He must be juicen.
I don't know, you guys. Tony Mandarich and all. Sure, 23 years have passed...
I don't think your buddy who is an ER doc is allowed to be discussing such info...
No real surprise here. It would have been nice to have him though.
Seemed like Harris focused on basketball as he was quoted about how he was going to recruit other bball prospects like 2014 Jahlil Okafor, Devin Booker (keep your grimy hands off), and 2013 Jabari Parker. His dad said that Sparty was on track to land Parker which would be absolutely huge for them.
Drake Harris' father is here telling supporters Michigan State is on track to land Jabari Parker.
Drake Harris says he is recruiting Jahlil Okafor and Devin Booker.
For the record, Booker was on hand for the announcement tonight.
Call me stupid but who is Booker?
4-start SG out of Mississippi. According to their site, he has a verbal offer from Michigan but not yet from MSU.
One thing that I don't understand is why guys that are looking to go to the NBA like Gary Harris or Jabari Parker would consider going to State. Tom Izzo is a great college coach in a lot of ways. He wins games, his players graduate, he seems to run a clean program-- but he hasn't done much recently in producing NBA talent.
Look at the track record. MSU hasn't had a player drafted in the first round since 2006 (Shannon Brown at #25, who's had a decent career as a bench guy and Maurice Ager at #28-- who hasn't done anything in the NBA). They haven't had a player drafted in the top 15 since Jason Richardson was taken with #5 pick in 2001. In fact, since the 2001 draft the only two MSU players that have been drafted in the first round at all have been Brown and Ager. Draymond Green might break that streak, but there's no way he's going in the top 20.
And it's not as though he hasn't had guys with good credentials. Kelvin Torbert, Paul Davis, Delvon Roe (who was injured) and Marcus Taylor were among the highest ranked players in the country when they came out. Also, there were guys like Durrell Summers, Kalin Lucas, Marquise Gray, Chris Allen, Raymar Morgan, Isaiah Dahlman, Matt Trannon and Alan Anderson who were all four star players in high school. Out of all these guys, Davis is the only one that got so much as a cup of coffee in the league (and he's out of the league now too).
Look at the current roster Adriean Payne was one of the highest recruited bigs when he came out and hasn't done anything. Braeden Dawson was having a good year before he got hurt, but he wasn't going pro. Keith Appling? Derrick Nix? All these guys were highly ranked guys and at this point, I would be surprised if any of them made an impact in the NBA.
Like I said Izzo is great coach, his job isn't to prepare guys for the NBA, it's to win, graduate players and run a clean program. He does all those things very well. But if I were a top-flight player looking to go to the NBA like Gary Harris or Jabari Parker, I'd go elsewhere.
but I don't think Jabari Parker is going to college to develop. He already has the talent to be the #1 overall pick in 2014 (already on the cover of Sports Illustrated), and based on some interviews I've seen, he is looking for a college where he has a chance to win a championship right away like Anthony Davis. The question is will MSU have that kind of roster in 2013. Supposedly, he is a really grounded kid and most expect him to pick between Duke and MSU with Kentucky as a wildcard.
I think MSU's roster in 2013 could be good enough for a championship.
Most likely would like like this:
With Gauna, Byrd, Trice, Costello, Kaminski and whoever else is a 2013 recruit coming off the bench. I really love that starting 5.
Appling as a PG is still a question mark in my book. Payne is solid but not spectacular player and it remains to be seen if he can carry the load as the primary big. Dawsen is coming off a major knee injury. And their depth at PF/C is still question mark as not one of those other bigs has seen a meaningful minute yet. The question is how good are the MSU 2012 recruits (Harris, Valentine, Costello, Kaminski) because those are the guys that are going to have to carry a big part of the load in 2013.
The 2012 season for MSU will be telling as we will find out what talent is on that roster. Draymond Green was arguably the most important player to any one team last year.
Appling has to grow up i agree. Izzo has said that Payne has become a monster this offseason saying "Hes not the tall skinny guy anymore". He's really bulked up. He was spectacular every game against OSU last year, and if he can sustain that through the whole season, he will be outstanding. Dawson is ahead of schedule and should be playing basketball in a month. Valentine and Costello were #1 and #2 in Michigan Mr. Basketball, so they can play, and so can Harris obviously. Valentine i'm most excited about. he's pretty much a 6'10 point gaurd, that can play positions 1-4 (who from MSU does that remind you of?). Kaminski is coming off a shoulder injury and didn't play much except in the Ohio playoffs.
Based on who MSU has on their roster now and who they'll be adding next year-- putting Parker into the mix would place them among the contenders for the title. They've got a strong nucleus and Parker could provide them with the same type of presence that Carmelo Anthony gave to Syracuse.
The one thing that I would give pause to in your statement is comparing Valentine to Magic. Valentine's a great versatile player and I think he will end up having a career much like Draymond Green but: (1) the kid is 6'5" not 6'10" and (2) dude, you're comparing him to Magic. Let him play a game before you make those comparisons.
haha! i actually was talking about Draymond Green, not magic, since you mentioned Draymond in your previous post! my bad.
If Jabari Parker goes anywhere but Kentucky, I will be shocked, Calipari is the best recruiter in College basketball (whether he does it within the rules is another story) and he has a history of getting uber-talents out of chicago.
Kentucky is a distant 3rd, he has very good morals and his parents would not let him go to the snake calipari. MSU and Duke are the clear top 2, his mom loves Izzo.
Isn't zach Randolph an MSU grad, first round pick and perennial 20 and 10 guy?
That's your role model argument for going to MSU?
but I think the OP point has some validity. For a program that has had as much success as MSU the last 10 years, they have a dearth of players currently in the NBA:
Zach Randolph, Jason Richardson, & Shannon Brown
Compare that to Michigan who has been in the darkness for most of the last 10 years:
Jamal Crawford, Juwan Howard, and Darius Morris
A little interesting.
Charlie Bell and Mo Pete also had solid role player careers .
Chris Webber and Jalen Rose also had fine NBA careers as well. The point I was making is that most of Izzo's NBA talent came off that first national Championship team and a lot of it is now gone.
In the last 10 years of MSU basketball, Shannon Brown is the only player left in the NBA (Ager and Brown are gone).
True, but if i had to rank these as of now, 1.randolph 2.crawford 3.richardson 4.brown 5.howard 6.morris(hasnt done anything yet) Surely we are on the rise, but lets not forget msu consistantly is getting deep in the tourny... believe or not but that does matter to many recruits. I think we are definitley at the rate t join them with our recent success recruiting, but there is a long ways to go
No one is arguing the level of success MSU has had. But it hasn't translated to the NBA and that is the point the OP was making. The fact you can even make an argument to compare Michigan's current NBA talent to MSU's is the point. Based on the level of success they have had (and we have not), you would think the comparison wouldn't even be close.
Howard and Crawford were not at Michigan in the last 10 years. If you are comparing the number of Spartans to sign NBA deals since Juwan Howard was drafted then you need to add more than the three Spartans you named. I guess I dont follow the point you are trying to make. I'm having a helluva day though. Could just be me.
I see what the OP is saying now. Yes, there are only currently 3 from each school at the moment.
Randolph was taken #20 in the same 2001 draft where Richardson was taken #5. My statement was on the guys that MSU has had drafted since 2001.
Dang, I'm surprised to see this. Pretty hard to believe they haven't had a top 5 pick since 2001. Oh well, hard to argue with the college results.
Beilein is a great coach, but I can't fault a kid for wanting to play under Izzo. The man is a tiny college bball god.YOu'd be a fool not to consider playing for him if he wants you.
You win some you lose . . . one.
Could you be bothered to put some f*cking information in your post?! I read this site daily and I don't know who "Harris" is. If you can't be bothered to paste a source link, don't bother creating the thread. And get off my lawn while you're at it.
If you read the site daily, you would know who Harris is.
Did I say I read every word on the site? If I had, then I would be lying.
then you would have read Ace's Tuesday updates which said
Sam Webb reported yesterday that 2014 Grand Rapids Christian two-sport starDrake Harris will decide between Michigan, Michigan State, and Notre Dame on Wednesday.
Perhaps you forgot to tear a page off your Dilbert/K.Upton calendar.
In this case time was of the essence, because there was going to be a race to see who could post the "news" first, and if you try to make an informed post, someone is likely to beat you to the punch.
It seems right now the "OP" has made you feel irritated. Is that a correct assumption? Now I want "OP" to say what he feels. Go ahead "OP."
"OP": I feel like "Lakeside" is deliberately trying to make me feel inadequate. Like I don't include enough information in my posts and therefore leave him searching for answers that he can't find on his own.
"Lakeside.": That's such bullshit "OP." Every time you open your mouth you expect people to understand just exactly what you're talking about, when half the time they don't! Can you see I"M LONESOME!
"OP": I feel like what you're telling me is that my sketchy posts make you feel lonesome.
Hold me, Marvin.
You need to learn how to read then
This is 2014 recruiting right? I've been skipping those sections due to the fact that my care-o-meter is still stuck on "don't".
Am I trying to make the OP feel inadequate? Honestly, yeah a little. If you're rushing a post out because your ego needs to be first then do that and come back after it's posted with an edit. It's not difficult and if you can't do that much then you deserve some feelings of inadequacy.
Not a shocker, and good for him. UM should be okay.
Glad he needed to hold a scheduled event to say the obvious. Did he also mention the sky is up and Dantonio is grumpy?
This must be what they felt like when we landed Shane Morris
and Terry Richardson
and James Ross
and Royce Jenkins-Stone
and Mario Ojemudia
and Devin Funchess
and Matt Godin
and Ben Braden
and Dennis Norfleet
patrick kuglar is my favorite reaction
with kids from Michigan, and primarily class of '13. If I did everyone we beat Sparty on, I'd be typing all night. Hoke left Mork in the dust (and, apparently, the weeds) long ago.
But good luck to Harris
we were cooling on him anyway.
Is that you?
"He didn't have a committable offer."
We offered the kid. We wanted him. He chose MSU, likely because he's leaning towards BBall as his sport of choice. I hope he's thrilled with his choice except for one or two times a year (depending on the sport).
Maybe HTYB was being sarcastic...?
Good luck to him.
Waaay too early for me to shed tears re; the 2014 recruiting class.
I look forward to seeing Lewis shutting him down in a few years!
When it comes to basketball, MSU is always going to get its guys. Football was just a nice add-on. Sucks that we can't get him, but if Bailey or Treadwell commits, its all essentially negated.
I love Michigan as much as anyone. However, stop talking like our basketball program is comparable to Michigan State. MSU has been a top five program over the last decade or so. Michigan has been horrible and hasn't even been to the sweet 16 in over a decade. It looks like Michigan is heading in the right direction, but they need to make a deep tournament run before its validated.
havent made sweet 16 in over a decade?? i think u forgot to add an "s" on decade.
If you ever decide to add an avatar, it should be interesting.
I am pretty close with a friend of Drake's family and this was pretty much a decision based solely on basketball. He knew that he would get a scholly from UM with a visit, but he felt that he fit better with Izzo's style rather than Beilein's. I can't really disagree with that. He isn't a pure shooter that Beilein loves. Some may say that he would fill Hardaway's shoes and Hardaway didn't come in as a great pure shooter, but Drake doesn't have the size that THJ has on the wing (at least not yet). Either way, best of luck to him. UM will be fine.
Good post. Does the family realize that he might have a much better shot at the NFL than the NBA?
A kid should never, ever make his college choice on what he feels might give him the best path to the pros. Simply put, if a kid is good enough to go pro in any sport, he can play at whatever decently high profile school he wants and get noticed. If you're trying to choose a school or sport that'll maximize your pro potential, you're probably not good enough to get there.
He should go where he feels like he'll have the best COLLEGE career in the sport of his choosing, and let the pro side shake out. If he's good enough, he'll get picked up wherever he goes.
So if Barry Sanders loved basketball, he should have played at some D3 school as a point guard?
Can't wait to see Izzo up in his face on national television.
are the master of neither. Best wishes to the kid and hope he finds which sport he wants to focus upon.
"Mr. Drew Hensen to the white courtesy telephone for a message..."
I could only think of a couple exceptions, Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders, and those were football and baseball. I am not aware of any player in recent history (last 30 years) who played pro football and pro basketball. Some have played both in college (I think Cris Carter did for OSU) but eventually you have to decide.
There is no way you can play professional football and basketball. If your team makes it to the Super Bowl then you would miss over half of the NBA season. This is why two sport athletes usually play football and baseball, football and track...nowadays anyway.
Speaking of other anomalies: Charlie Ward
Brady Hoke is a crappy recruiter.
I know, MSU is beating Michigan in 2014 recruiting. Hoke is really falling behind here.
I'm not going to lie. Gary Harris, Jabari Parker, and Drake Harris is a sick haul, but their football recruiting is a bunch of highly ranked WRs, which I don't know how they got them all, and the rest is a bunch of guys that Michigan, Ohio, ND, PSU, and Nebraska didn't want at other positions.
I wouldn't pencil in Jabari Parker as a Spartan just yet. Those three players are each on a different level: Parker > G Harris > D Harris.
Parker is a likely one n done top 5 pick
if Harris is coming of not. And given the fact that Beeline did not offer him, no one should. We got bigger fishes to fry, fellas (ladies).
Drake Harris is a great get for MSU. No doubt. I love how Spartys all of a sudden care about stars though. They don't need 4 and 5 stars, right?
Don't want to start a new thread, but did anyone see where Harris committed?
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
We can't get them but will be ok. GO BLUE!!!
We *never* win these 50/50 recruiting battles!!
I don't think we would have viewed Harris's commitment to MSU as a loss 3-5 years ago...we were at the end of a streak where all the best in-state prospects were MSU-bound (or were leaving the state)..we just would have written off Harris to MSU as being par for the course.
Now, with the past 2 classes in tow, other than a MSU legacy, any commitment to MSU of a top prospect is viewed as a miss by the staff.
Quite the change in expectations, no?
up. I don't view this as a head to head win for their football program,if not for his relationship with Izzo.
Nonetheless,good luck to Drake and wishing him drop passes and tough hits againist Michigan.