Hardaway passes Robert Traylor, Chris Webber in career points

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January 9th, 2013 at 10:32 PM
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Hardaway passes Robert Traylor, Chris Webber in career points

With 15 points tonight, Tim Hardaway Jr. has passed a total of 4 great Wolverines in one night on the career points list. 

Hardaway was tied at 1,210 going into tonight with the late Robert Traylor. Tim now moves to 32nd on Michigan's 1,000 point club.

 

32.

Tim Hardaway, Jr.

1,225

2010-11 -

33.

Dennis Stewart

1,224

1966-67 – 1968-69

34.

Chris Webber*

1,218*

1991-92 – 1992-93*

35.

Richard Rellford

1,211

1982-83 – 1985-86

36.

Robert Traylor*

1,210*

1995-96 – 1997-98*
 
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January 9th, 2013 at 10:39 PM | I've been passively posting this (Score:2)
DingoBlue
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In the comments of other B-Ball threads (all time points rank).  Good on Timmy, he looked pretty good tonight despite the overall poor showing.

January 10th, 2013 at 9:49 AM | Yeah, he kept Michigan not-quite-comfortably ahead (Score:1)
MGlobules
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at several key points by taking the game in his own hands. Really great that he can create if Trey is tied up. 

January 9th, 2013 at 11:01 PM | I like how he drives the the lane (Score:3 Normal)
Gobgoblue
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I like how he drives to the lane: a lot of guys will put their head down, scrunch their shoulders, and drive in for leverage, but Tim keeps mostly straight up and down with his shoulders and feet squared.  This gives him a better look to stop and elevate for a jumper, or swing a pass out to someone else on the arc if need be. 

 

I love Greg Mattison

January 9th, 2013 at 11:03 PM | More like, "Tim Hardaway (Score:5 Normal)
TheLastHoke
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More like, "Tim Hardaway passes               and              in career points.

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January 9th, 2013 at 11:05 PM | Isn't the ban lifted? (Score:1 Normal)
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Isn't the ban lifted? Michigan can now associate with them since it's 2013?

January 9th, 2013 at 11:11 PM | I think it doesnt get lifted (Score:2 Normal)
goblue16
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I think it doesnt get lifted till May 2013. Not totally sure though

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January 9th, 2013 at 11:26 PM | Even after the ban is lifted, (Score:5 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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Even after the ban is lifted, their records will still be vacated.  The 10-year ban only relates to them returning to campus.

January 9th, 2013 at 11:42 PM | And the 10 year ban does not (Score:5 Normal)
UMfan21
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And the 10 year ban does not apply to King, Rose, Howard or Jackson as far as I know. UMHoops photographer grabbed a shot of Jimmy King in the crowd tonight

January 9th, 2013 at 11:53 PM | I don't think there's (Score:3 Normal)
Lionsfan
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I don't think there's anything stopping the banned guys from being on campus. Chris Webber could buy a ticket if he wanted, the school just can't be affiliated with them, ie having them at halfcourt or something like that

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

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January 9th, 2013 at 11:56 PM | I don't think so.  I don't (Score:2)
snarling wolverine
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I don't think so.  I don't think Webber is allowed on campus, period.  (At least not Crisler anyway.)  

January 10th, 2013 at 2:09 AM | Incorrect.  The University (Score:5 Normal)
Bando Calrissian
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Incorrect.  The University cannot publicly associate with Webber, he cannot give money to the University or the Athletic Department (i.e., he cannot do anything that would categorize him under NCAA rules as a "booster"), he cannot represent the University in any capacity, etc.  In other words, as far as anything the University does is concerned, Chris Webber does not exist until the 10-year ban expires.

Yet if he really wanted to, he could buy a ticket just like anyone else and go to a game.  And there is absolutely nothing the NCAA can do to restrict him from being on campus.  It's not a restraining order controlling his physical movement.

January 10th, 2013 at 3:56 AM | The Fab Four (Score:1)
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IIRC, the Fab Four weren't documented members of the Ed Martin payroll, so their individual record stand, and they aren't banned.  

OTOH, Webber and Traylor don't officially exist.  Therefore, their points were transported into an alternate reality, and don't count in this one.

 

 

 

January 9th, 2013 at 11:58 PM | Correct, because they weren't (Score:4 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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Correct, because they weren't found in violation of NCAA rules.  King was our actually color commentator on the radio for awhile.

The guys who were/are banned are Webber, Traylor (RIP), Taylor and Bullock. 

January 10th, 2013 at 9:21 AM | King was actually in the (Score:5 Normal)
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King was actually in the crowd last night.  Thy brought him up on the jumbotron.

January 9th, 2013 at 11:03 PM | This one really surpried me (Score:2 Normal)
umbig11
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Thanks for posting.

January 9th, 2013 at 11:03 PM | R.I.P. #54 (Score:1 Normal)
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R.I.P. #54

January 9th, 2013 at 11:09 PM | You mean two great Wolverines (Score:5 Normal)
Bando Calrissian
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You mean two great Wolverines and two guys who don't exist.

January 9th, 2013 at 11:31 PM | Interesting Stat... (Score:2)
LSAClassOf2000
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There is some select company looming above him on the list as well. If THJ continues scoring at the clip that he averages this year, he would potentially find himself sitting somewhere in the space between Benard Robinson and Rumeal Robinson on the list, having possibly jumped the likes of Terry Mills and Maceo Baston along the way. It's definitely possible. 

One thing that is interesting about where Hardaway is at statistically is that he is scoring at a rate a little above the average of the others in the top 35 (arbitrary cutoff for comparison admittedly), and only a little below the average when comes to the effective FG% of those in the group. Not a bad performance by a Wolverine by any standard over the course of a career. 

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January 9th, 2013 at 11:54 PM | congrats to hardaway on this (Score:1)
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congrats to hardaway on this accomplishment. recently he became a rebounding machine!!!!

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January 10th, 2013 at 12:13 AM | I think Hardaway's (Score:3 Normal)
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I think Hardaway's accomplishments are going to be a tad bit underappreciated because he was never the best player on his team (D-Mo, then Burke). That being said he's been the 2nd best player on what will be 3 straight NCAA qualifying squads, including one that won a Big Ten Title. Also I think he's done a fine job stepping into the leadership void left by Novak/Douglass on this squad. 

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

January 10th, 2013 at 12:17 AM | Richard Rellfrod Rocked!   He (Score:2)
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Richard Rellfrod Rocked!   He was a Beast!

 

This new era of M hoops is hopefully going to be as fun as the early '80s - late '80s era was.  This year is starting even better and there is no reason to think it won't continue.  I'd forgotten how much fun having a good basketball team was...very fun!

5 4 3 2 1 Touchdown!

Touchdown Billy Taylor!

Touchdown Billy Taylor!

January 10th, 2013 at 1:19 AM | Co-sign on Rellford (Score:2)
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He used to throw down some hellacious dunks back in the day.

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January 10th, 2013 at 9:47 AM | Loved Rellford (Score:3 Normal)
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What a great complement to Tarpley, Grant, Joubert et al. on those fantastic mid-80's teams.   Butch Wade, too.   Great role player and rebounder.

January 10th, 2013 at 12:39 AM | For the record (see what I (Score:4 Normal)
oriental andrew
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For the record (see what I did there?), Trey Burke has a good shot at ending up top 10 in career assists this season. He is currently number 19.

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January 10th, 2013 at 9:52 AM | In two seasons? (Score:1)
MGlobules
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That would be pretty amazing. He's really the Shoelace of the hardcourt. 

January 10th, 2013 at 10:26 AM | now (Score:2)
oriental andrew
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we just need to get him to stay for 4 years...

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January 10th, 2013 at 10:41 AM | I'll (Score:3 Normal)
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eat my hat if he stays 4 years. I'll eat my lunch if he even stays 3.

January 10th, 2013 at 10:40 AM | Chris Who? (Score:-1 Redundant)
January 10th, 2013 at 10:56 AM | Good kid (Score:3 Normal)
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He's an outstanding team player. He is the guy who makes this team go

John 16:33

January 10th, 2013 at 12:08 PM | Next up.... (Score:3 Normal)
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26. Steve Grote, 1974-77 __________________ 1,330

27. Courtney Sims, 2004-07 _______________ 1,329

28. Lester Abram, 2002-07 ________________ 1,274

29. Ray Jackson, 1992-95 __________________ 1,262

* Maurice Taylor*, 1995-97 _______________ 1,262

31. Eric Turner, 1982-84 ___________________ 1,251

 

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mich/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/bkm-records-all-time.pdf

 

January 10th, 2013 at 12:36 PM | All-time records are cool, (Score:1 Normal)
WilmotCt
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All-time records are cool, but I've always kind of wondered whether they accurately reflect the dominance of a player in the college context in the same manner as individual season records. 

January 10th, 2013 at 1:56 PM | Fair point (Score:2)
oriental andrew
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Chris Webber scored as many points in 2 seasons as some players scored in 4, so he was clearly dominant. He scored as much in 2 seasons that hardaaway scored in 3.5, so there is something to it. THJr is clearly not on CDub's level, but is still a great player for our program.

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January 10th, 2013 at 3:27 PM | Thank you for understanding. (Score:1)
WilmotCt
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At least someone here understood what I was getting at...

January 10th, 2013 at 3:34 PM | 2.5 season for Hardaway so (Score:3 Normal)
HarmonHowardWoodson
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2.5 seasons for Hardaway so far...Not THAT much different from CW in the points scored dept.

Having the number 1 recruiting class means nothing without good coaches to mold the players into champions!

January 10th, 2013 at 7:33 PM | Yeah, I think there's much (Score:1)
WilmotCt
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Yeah, I just think there's much more of a "wow" factor in that stat...

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