by many UM fans. He is going to have a ten year NBA career.
in town for free camps
by many UM fans. He is going to have a ten year NBA career.
negged for Hawk Harrelson
How quickly we forget. C'mon now.
but we would not have made the tournament that year had Hardaway not gone red-hot during the back half of the Big Ten slate. He averaged like 20 pts a game during that stretch and shot 50% from three.
Remember how nervous we were up until the Big Ten tourney victory over Illinois? Another loss or two and we would have been in the NIT. A certain Iowa game in which THJ scored 30 and we won in OT might very well have saved our season.
How does that have anything to do with the two of them not being seniors under Beilein?
Yeah actually you have the years mixed up. You're thinking of Stu and Zack's Jr yr with D-Mo. Their Sr. year we, you know, won the Big Ten title for the first time in a long, long time.
Trey Burke shot 36.6% during the NCAA tournament.
I guess we'll be better without him, too.
It's the same argument you're using.
You said Hardaway only shot 38% from the floor, so it will be addition by subtraction.
I said Trey Burke only shot 36.6% from the floor.
I agree that your argument is weak, which is why I came up with an equally absurd one.
Burke took more shots than Hardaway during the tournament, but Burke shot a worse percentage.
Statistics don't back your argument...son.
I would agree that in the past THJ took a lot of bad shots, but this year that was not the case. A lot of the shots he missed in the tourney were on drives and foul line area jumpers, those are not bad shots. Sure he missed some in the offense 3's, but they were in the offense and not bad shots.
Label him a streaky shooter if you like, but he (at least this year) was not a poor shot taker.
why don't you two go hug it out in a PM?
Hug it out bitch
- Michael Scott
You're losing this one, Champ. Badly. Maybe step away from the keyboard for a while.
That is quite an honor. You should be happy he even cares what you think.
The Ewing Theory applies to superstars, the kind of players who when they leave you say "well now they are going to suck." Like Ewing himself at Georgetown and with the Knicks. Hardaway isn't at that level, I don't think. Good, but not great player this year.
It does not really apply as well in college because everyone loses players every year.
Please stay, pretty please with sugar on top!
I hope he stays for the same reason I hoped Trey Burke left: what is best for his future. Financially, Burke had nothing to gain by coming back, and could have lost millions of dollars.
THJ has nothing to lose by coming back, and could gain a lot with a good year. I don't see him possibly getting to the first round. He has shown flashes of brilliance, but more often than not falls into the "one of the guys" category.
Trey is going to make what it would take the average engineering graduate 30-80 years to make. THJ is in danger of being another guy who plays in Europe . A degree would be a lot more valuable to him than it would to Trey at this point. It could be his entry into coaching, TV, or an NBA team's front office.
Except next year's draft class is insanely stacked. Could lose a lot by coming back.
If he stays, press conference usually means they're gone. This isn't always the case, but most of the time it appears to work out that way. Usually when a player stays it's just a press release. Hopefully Timmy is back, but I'm not holding my breath.
National runner-up run, I mean, what else is there? His senior leadership would be nice, and he could be a focal point of the offense, but whatever his decision best of luck to him. I would love to have him for his senior year, but given the overall weakness of this year's draft and the projected strength of next year's, the time may be right for him to go. Best wishes in whatever uniform I see you in next season TIMMAYY!
Uh...not being the runner up?
Obviously, but given everything that has to go right to make it to the national championship game (difficult to do two times in a row) and the fact that that's the only thing that wasn't accomplished, I don't think there's much reason for him to come back.
I know. I was just giving you a hard time.
I figured but then people reading this might not be so sure, so I decided to make clear my thoughts. Plus, I'm never super peppy/happy when I'm at work haha.
the way i see it is that you have one year left to get your degree. just come back and finish your 4th year and graduate. would hate to look back and think what if. if you stay then there is no what if's
Make enough money to come back and make it after his bball career.
I thought they had to declare by the 16th...well my dad told me that said he read it on insidethehall.com which is a IU website...he's an IU fan obviously
The 16th is the deadline to withdraw your name from consideration if you previously declared. Any decisions to leave made between now and draft day are final now that the withdrawal deadline has passed.
Oh ok thanks I got it now
Let's stay blue! Let's stay blue! Let's stay blue!
but my gut feeling is that he's not. We should be ok without him, but we'd sure be better with him
I look at thiings a little different I guess. I want Tim to go pro, because this is the best time for him to go IMO. He's not going to help himself by playing a 4th year. Good luck to him and I hope he succeeds.
GR3? If he's top 15, he has to go too IMO.
Mitch? He needs to come back, period. A few great games in the toruney propelled him from undrafted to top 15 pick? I don't buy it and neither should Mitch. Come back, work on your game and consistency and then see where you're at. The only thing that might make him go is his age, he's already almost 21 years old.
Take 26 seconds and visit this stay in school website. Also, please share with MM & GRIII.
More pluses in staying including being the undisputed leader of the team. One more year as a college kid isn't bad either.
If THJ stays we have great senior leadership. It is not clear to me if we would see much talent improvement over what he did this year. However, leadership is a quantity that is impossible to measure on the stat line that would be missed.
If THJ goes it means more playing time for Irvin who probably has more upside. There will be struggles early in the season and loses against some tough teams.
If Hardaway stays the two people who could see minutes drop or not see a role increase are Stauskus and LeVert. If Irving shows almost as good a 3pt shot but better defense I could see Irving taking some of Stauskus minutes. Also have to wonder how LeVert gets on the floor. If we presume Irving is used to spell Robinson(not a given) your looking at 5 people having to share 120 minutes. If we exclude the 4 position that would be 80 minutes for 4 people.
I think we are a better team if Hardaway stays. But if he is the only other player to declare early the team should be okay.
I dont see him staying with Trey gone. All that has surrounded "them" as the fire and ice. I think he wants to leave on the same note. He doesnt want to be the other guy that didnt make it the same year. But who knows.... I think he may have hit his ceiling as well in college ball. I wish him the best of luck
Say you are a junior in college and get offered a $500 K/Year job.
The company tells you you're welcome to leave school before your senior year and start working.
I know, as a college kid, I'm taking the money.
In Timmy's case...he gets to play a sport he loves and gets paid to do it!
64 posts and no "Those who stay..."?
"this is Michigan, or course I am staying, I mean what did you think? And the GR III and McGary are gonna run out of the tunnel and be like "we stayin too." And I am going to celebrate with pizza.
It would be crazy...
I'm pretty sure he'll come back. His dad is a scout for Miami and knows exactly what Tim needs to work on and I forsee him finally getting back into coaching his son. He knows that his son playing (and being the face/leader of) a top 10 college team will get him more exposure than sitting on a pro-bench or even playing untelevised games in a place like Idaho for the NBADL. Unless Hardaway Sr. has some sweet deal worked out with an NBA team, my guess is he comes back.
He's probably gone. Declaring (the day) after the deadline to withdraw gives him no room to second-guess himself or reason for random people to sway his decision back. He is the one guy from this team that I will understand why he makes whatever decision he does. That being said, GR3 and MM need to come back for one more year, show they can be leaders and develop the obvious flaws in their game, and then make some money. We'll be in good shape if they stay.
Those who stay will be champions. Happy BrownJuggernaut?
Just bought the sweatshirt a couple days ago, too.
BB is a different sport and last year Burke wasn't ready. Plain and simple. I thought it was crazy for him to even entertain the idea. This year, one year later, Burke would have been risking his career by staying. As for THJ, IMHO, he is not ready. The kid is a 4 year player. Period. Going this year and a 1st round selection isn't even close to a guarantee and he is an GOOD college player, not great. GR3 has the biggest NBA potential on this entire team but he is too timid/mentally unprepared. He needs another year or two and he is a top 5 pick in any level of draft strength. Finally, for Mitch to even be considering going to the NBA is insane. He went from absolutely undraftable in the regular season (for a reason) to, admittedly, maybe the best player in the tourney. Yet, that was a handfull of games in a season. He needs at least another year and before the tourney he had 4 year player written all over him. I don't say any of this out of hope or homerism but flat out obvious observation. I also have a feeling THJ goes pro and, while thanks and good for him, it's a mistake. Heck, as unready as GR3 is he'd almost assuredly go ahead of THJ. Same for the other two as far as mistakes go. For the benefit of THE PLAYERS & Michigan, we should only be replacing Burke next year. I have a feeling we may be replacing as many as 3-4 players and 1 of them (if they go now) will be out of the NBA in a year, another will be a journeyman and wind up in Europe with the last being a "project" that will either be a legit starter in the NBA in a couple years or a career bench player.
On both McGary and Robinson, look at how much Darius Morris and Trey Burke improved from their freshman to sophomore seasons. If those get coached up by Beilen and can show similar improvement, it would definitely be worth their while to come back.
Exactly my point. Both go now and MM is out of the NBA in a year. GR3 would be the legit starter in a couple years or lifetime bench player if he came out. One year in BB can make SUCH a difference. Anyone outside of Burke leaving would be a huge mistake for THEM. Forget Michigan BB for a sec. It would hurt their careers. Period.
I totally agreed with you. I will go as far to predict that he will eventually have a nothing career in the NBA. At best....possibly a couple of years on the bench, and then possibly the Euorpean League. As a player in college, he was very good. There are flashes of brillience, but not a consistent performer. Should he go pro, he won't have the chance to get better. After another year on the bench, he has to compete with new rookies for a spot on the bench. That bench gets real short real fast. Still best of luck to him pursuing his dream playing for the NBA. Go Blue.
I bet he stays.