Harbaugh - For Serial?
First and foremost I support Rich Rod and am definitely in the "firing RR would do more harm than good" camp (hopefully I'm not the only member after this past weekend), but I can't believe how Jim Harbaugh has shot to the top of everyone's list for "potential replacements." Doesn't anybody remember this??
http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/destroy-harbaugh.html
Is this the guy we really want to take over at Michigan?? I'd much rather take 7-5 seasons with the 100+ worst defense in the nation before bringing on a supposed "Michigan man" who spit on our program only 3 years ago.
(Note: If you don't get the tagline, you obviously have never heard of ManBearPig either - "the single biggest threat to our planet.")
November 1st, 2010 at 10:15 PM ^
Except it will be VERY difficult to get to 7-5. Just FYI.
November 2nd, 2010 at 7:33 AM ^
is if the entire defense takes their Underdog super-energy pill before the Illinois game.
November 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 AM ^
with them going 7-5 this year. I still believe that they have an upset or two left in the tank. Have some faith O Michigan brethren.
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:10 AM ^
By saying they still have an upset or two left in the tank... that would imply that they actually have given us an upset win in recent history... I mean unless 08 Wisconson or 08 Minnesota count still....
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:10 AM ^
Who have we really upset? Notre Dame sucks, UConn is a mid tier Big East team, Indiana turns out to be Indiana. We've only upset 1 team in the past 3 years.
November 2nd, 2010 at 5:52 PM ^
And several hundred thousand others!
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:41 PM ^
hahaha, that reply made me laugh... thanks
November 2nd, 2010 at 12:08 PM ^
why would you suspect we will automatically go 7-5 this illinois team we play next week in more poised and dangerous than the broken excuse for a penn state team we just played
November 2nd, 2010 at 2:11 PM ^
November 1st, 2010 at 10:16 PM ^
would forgive Harbaugh and would try to lure him into coming to coach for Michigan. With that being said, I don't see how Harbaugh would leave Stanford where he is in a good situation. He would see that Michigan situation is not good, not because of the defense, but the way the people from the administration aren't serving for the best interest of the University.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:58 PM ^
Stanford isn't a destination school. Recruiting there is always difficult given the academic restrictions. The bigger question IMO is how much he might want an NFL job.
November 1st, 2010 at 11:01 PM ^
but Stanford is a better situation right now than Michigan. I don't think Harbaugh would want to come to Michigan even though he loves Michigan. It's not a given, like most Michigan fans think it is, that Harbaugh will come to Michigan.
November 1st, 2010 at 11:16 PM ^
I definitely agree that it's not a given. The way these things go, you basically have to expect that your first option will say no.
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:05 AM ^
If college football is in his blood, Michigan would be the long term career answer for him for reasons already articulated.
I'm a bit on the fence about a coaching change, but at this point, I guess I wouldn't mind seeing Harbaugh at the helm. I've never been completely comfortable with RR, although I think he's a generally good guy.
Also, from a recruiting perspective, Harbaugh has caché now, whereas RR has a bit of unwanted baggage.
Interesting dilemma for Brandon.
November 2nd, 2010 at 6:48 AM ^
Current Verbal Commits with Rival's star rankings. Much better than Rich Rod's destination school....some more facts for the Rich Rod apologists to chew on. Appears that "recruiting will suffer" meme with a coaching change is bunk. Though you are right about the NFL...the Niners will come calling later this year....
Stanford: 8- 4 stars, 13- 3 stars, 1 -2 star
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| Devon Cajuste | WR | 6-4/220 |
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| Lance Callihan | DT | 6-3/295 |
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| Amir Carlisle | RB | 5-10/181 |
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| Evan Crower | QB | 6-4/182 |
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| Daniel Davis | DE | 6-2/225 |
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| Garrett Gladd | OL | 6-4/280 |
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| Anthony Hayes | DT | 6-3/290 |
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| Kevin Hogan | QB | 6-4/200 |
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| Charlie Hopkins | DE | 6-6/240 |
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| Ty Montgomery | WR | 6-0/202 |
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| Shutang Mungwa | DB | 6-2/200 |
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| Jordan Perkins | RB | 5-11/177 |
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| Ra'Chard Pippens | DB | 6-0/174 |
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| Kevin Reihner | OL | 6-3/275 |
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| Jordan Richards | ATH | 5-11/185 |
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| J.B. Salem | DE | 6-4/254 |
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| Anthony Sarao | LB | 6-1/215 |
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| James Vaughters | LB | 6-2/233 |
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| Remound Wright | RB | 5-9/190 |
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| Kelsey Young | RB | 5-11/192 |
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Michigan: 3 -4 stars, 8 -3 stars
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| Brennen Beyer | DE | 6-4/222 |
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| Greg Brown | DB | 5-10/180 |
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| Shawn Conway | WR | 6-4/183 |
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| Jacob Fisher | OL | 6-7/249 |
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| Demetrius Hart | RB | 5-8/190 |
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| Delonte Hollowell | DB | 5-8/162 |
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| Kellen Jones | LB | 6-0/209 |
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| Jack Miller | DE | 6-4/268 |
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| Tony Posada | OL | 6-6/315 |
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| Chris Rock | DE | 6-5/250 |
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| Kevin Sousa | QB | 6-2/213 |
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November 2nd, 2010 at 8:20 AM ^
Go back to the Rivals premium board. This bullshit you posted means nothing. Will Campbell.
November 2nd, 2010 at 11:01 AM ^
You forgot: "Pat White was a two star."
November 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 PM ^
Read the thread idiot...it was in response to Stanford not being a destination school and a difficult place to recruit for, while Michigan has these advantages....for elementary dolts like yourself that just want to flame instead of having civil debate. This was simple snap shot to demonstrate my point....Harbs can recruit anywhere and if he's the next head coach in A2, the recruiting will not suffer. To your flamed point, its what you DO with your recruits that matter and it sure appears Harbaugh and his selected coaching staff are doing more with his recruits than our beloved Coach Rod is doing.
Either way, nothing will be decided until the end of the season and entire body of work is reviewed by Brandon. I sure hope they can get that 6th win, as the seniors on this team deserve some type of post season reward for their commitment and dedication, and the extra practice time is beneficial for building long term success.
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:24 AM ^
rabble rabble THREE STAR. rabble rabble TWO STAR rabble rabble UNACCEPTABLE.
November 2nd, 2010 at 1:47 AM ^
That would be kind of short sighted to stick with Stanford just because currently they are better than Michigan.
November 2nd, 2010 at 2:20 AM ^
As I've said three other times here WHY WOULD JH WANT TO LEAVE A PROGRAM WHERE HE IS SEEN AS GOD TO TAKE OVER THIS WOEFUL MESS ? By the way it does not rain May through October out here and it never snows except in the mountains. Stanford is a hugely prestigious University, much better than us, and far wealthier.Do you think being a Wolverine is enough to drop everything and bail ? They made me too smart at the U to think about moving back home and I presume he feels the same. Two years ago it was Miles who was going to be the savior.
November 2nd, 2010 at 6:56 AM ^
Why? Because he took over a woeful mess in Stanford, and that woeful mess is actually a contender. Also, I'm pretty sure they beat USC more than any other team in the past 5 years.
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:19 AM ^
Seen as God? What the fuck are you talking about?
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:49 AM ^
Why would he want to leave a program where he is seen as God? Because Rich Rod did the exact same thing.
Please don't reference your Michigan degree a) because in most cases you only sound like a douche bag and b) especially when using such poor logic.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:16 PM ^
He was an enormous douche for saying that, but if it gets to the point where we are looking for a coach, who else is out there? Harbaugh has taken Stanford and turned them into a top 10-caliber team. Comments or not, he's a good football coach and seems like an excellent fit for the position. Water under the bridge in my view.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:18 PM ^
I would rather have Harbaugh than go 7-5 every year. Any fan who wouldn't is insane.
That being said, we aren't going to go 7-5 every year with Rodriguez (I don't think it will ever happen again after this season) and Harbaugh doesn't have half the resume of the guy currently residing in Ann Arbor.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:21 PM ^
currently residing in ann arbor has fewer big ten wins than tim fuckin brewster.
i dont care what he did at wvu. he's not there anymore.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:26 PM ^
I'm sorry you don't want to give the guy the chance to, you know, let the players he recruits get to their junior year. I'm sorry you think a coach who built a team that won as many major bowl games in 7 seasons at a school that had never won a single major bowl game in its entire century plus history is far inferior to a coach who won just as many major bowl games in 13 seasons at Michigan. I'm sorry you have no sense of context for what is happening to our team this season and what will happen down the road.
In short, I'm sorry you are so wrong.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:30 PM ^
After this post, I truly believe you have the power to convince these kids to change their drink selection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjgLb0HJ3VE
(If I had the ability to give + points, I would)
November 1st, 2010 at 11:33 PM ^
Thank you for that perspective. Didn't know the context of how well RR had done at WVa relative to that school's history.
As for RR's time at M, I hope we can win a couple more before it's said and done so RR gets another year. I'll stick with Molk's observation that the team is very close but not yet showing it. I know the players won't give up on this and I can't wait til Saturday to see what the team can do against Illinois.
I'm all in.
Go Blue!
November 1st, 2010 at 11:52 PM ^
A third year of fail that you still think winning 2 bowl games, only one of which he even actually coached in (and the fact that he didn't coach in the other one was probably the motivation for the team to win that game) against two overrated BCS teams (maybe the worst SEC champ of the last decade who he just edged and the team that has lost just about every BCS bowl game they've played in for a half a decade or more) is comparable to losing to National Championship caliber USC and Texas teams (barely in one case...and putting a better showing than just about any team that played the Champ in another) and is more impressive than winning conference championships at an almost .500 percent rate in a much tougher conference than the crappy Big East, and oh yeah, won a National Championship, when the best season Rich put up was only equivalent to 2006, and that after the fact that he hasn't shown anything at Michigan, you still think that's a far superior resume.
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<br>But you'd be wrong.
November 2nd, 2010 at 6:40 AM ^
Georgia was one of the worst SEC Champs in 2005?? Don't tell me you really think that's truth that you are typing. They beat 4 out of 6 ranked opponents that year including a dominating victory over number 3 LSU in the SEC Title game. They were a very, very good football team. The 2007 West Virginia team destroyed Oklahoma by the way. They didn't beat them, they manhandled them much worse than Oklahoma has ever been throttled in recent bowl game history. West Virginia was national championship caliber that year and would have been playing for the national championship if it wasn't for an injury to Pat White late in the season. So saying those two WINS aren't comparable to the two LOSSES at the hands of Texas and USC makes you look extremely foolish.
Rich Rodriguez has an extremely impressive resume that goes even beyond his impressive head coaching stint with West Virginia. Not that he needs any other evidence other than taking West Virginia football to National Championship level performance which is tough enough as it is, he also was wildly successful as a coordinator everywhere he has coached. Jim Harbaugh's coaching resume is a joke compared to RR's coaching resume. Maybe when Harbaugh actually wins something we can crown him as the coach that will save Michigan football. Until then I think we should at least let Rodriguez coach a senior class of his own players first!
Oh by the way how much did West Virginia improve after Rich Rod left the university with all of the talent he acquired including Pat White and Noel Devine? Oh they regressed? Wonder why??
November 2nd, 2010 at 3:07 PM ^
How did he do against "can't win a bowl game" Oklahoma? An Oklahoma team that had lost 5 times on the season (not won the Big 12 championship)? Oh, that's right, he lost to them. In the Sun Bowl.
Jim Harbaugh has never won a bowl game as a head coach. He's done a nice job at Stanford, but acting like he's a sure thing and that a guy with a long track record of actual success at the highest levels of D-1 football should be dumped to get him is completely insane.
November 2nd, 2010 at 3:19 PM ^
I'm confused. Are we comparing RR's bowl appearances at Michigan? I don't think he's gone to any. In fact, I think he broke a decades-long streak of bowl appearances (among other streaks of excellence that he broke).
And you're talking about Jim Harbaugh's third year at Stanford when he went 8-5 (a seven win improvement of the year prior to his taking over)? How is RR doing in his third year in A2? Think he's going to win 8 games? Do you really think he's going to have a better record than the season before he took over?
Harbaugh won more games in his first two years taking over a 1-11 team than RR did taking over a 9-4 team. You certainly have faith that RR will get the job done. Nothing wrong with that, but the facts show that he turned a good team into a bad one whereas Harbaugh (who you mock) turned a terrible team into a very good one.
Instead of stalking fellow posters, maybe you should stalk some better logic.
November 2nd, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^
He's never won a bowl game at Stanford, at Michigan, or any place else as a head coach. I think he's a good coach. There is just no comparison between what he's accomplished so far as a college head coach and what Rodriguez has.
Rodriguez didn't inherit a good team. We just had a good team the year before he got here. The situations both guys inherited are pretty equivalent (and if folks can't see that by now they haven't been paying attention). The trajectories are also basically the same. I think the ceiling is much higher for Michigan with Rodriguez. Feel free to disagree, but how about we wait until next year and actually find out?
November 2nd, 2010 at 3:37 PM ^
You need to share what you're smoking:
The situations both guys inherited are pretty equivalent
Harbaugh inherited 1-11.
RichRod inherited 9-5.
Those are not "pretty equivalent". I don't share the faith or creative viewpoint that you have.
November 2nd, 2010 at 3:51 PM ^
Why did that U-M team go 9-4? How many of the NFL players on that team did Rodriguez get to coach? He didn't "inherit" a 9-4 team. He inherited Threet/Sheridan, 7 offensive linemen, no experienced skill position talent, a roster with no safeties, and Brandon Graham. Would you rather have that or Toby Gerhart to build a team around? Not exactly a no brainer.
Of course, actually having a grasp on the facts of the situation wouldn't be as much fun for you as looking at the record and screaming UNACCEPTABLE!
November 2nd, 2010 at 4:26 PM ^
So...
1-11 is totally the same as 9-4...and RR has no responsibility for the departures of Arrington, Manningham, Boren and Mallett. So, nothing is to Harbaugh's credit and nothing is RichRod's fault. I get it.
November 2nd, 2010 at 5:40 PM ^
Tim Floyd inherited an NBA championship team with the Chicago Bulls. He must really suck to have not made the playoffs after inheriting that championship team.
Are you being intentionally obtuse or are you really this dumb?
Don't answer.
And yes, I think Rodriguez did cause Boren to leave (the others were gone no matter what he did and if you don't know that by now I can't help you). If he had given his little brother a scholarship I think he would have stayed. I also don't think that is the way he should run his program so I was fine with the decision.
November 2nd, 2010 at 7:02 PM ^
FUCK BOREN
November 2nd, 2010 at 3:40 PM ^
Harbaugh's. You said in 13 years...you were comparing him to Lloyd. If you want to compare bowl wins to Harbaugh, go for it.
November 2nd, 2010 at 3:44 PM ^
I was going two places at once when Los Barcos jumped in with his dumbassery. Merely pointing out that Rodriguez has a pretty comparable history of top level success to the guy he keeps pining for.
November 2nd, 2010 at 4:25 PM ^
Because you don't have your facts straight.
Yes, Georgia, a two loss team that lost to Florida anyway, and only got to go to the Championship game because Florida managed to do worse (AND lost to Auburn, to end up as a 3 loss team) is the weakest champ in recent memory when you have -
2003 - LSU National Champ
2004 - Auburn undefeated
2005 - Georgia
2006 - Florida National Champ
2007 - LSU National Champ
2008 - Florida National Champ
2009 - Alabama National Champ
Yeah, I'd say they were far and away the weakest one in memory. So, I was right there.
And it's nice that they destroyed Oklahoma by 20. Who was coaching that team anyway? Oh, right, it wasn't Rich. He put the team together, certainly....but you think the fact that their coach left them had a "we'll show them" influence on how they played the game? To show you don't know your history ("they manhandled them much worse than Oklahoma has ever been throttled in recent bowl game history") USC would like a word with you, since they beat Oklahoma by 36 just 3 years before. So, no, it wasn't the worst. Not even close. And the point is that this is a team that's ranked high, often higher than their opponent, and then lays an egg in the bowl game.
| Season | Date | Bowl | Score | |||
| 2009 | Dec. 31, 2009 | Sun Bowl | Oklahoma | 31 | Stanford | 27 |
| 2008 | Jan. 8, 2009 | Orange (NC) | Oklahoma | 14 | Florida | 24 |
| 2007 | Jan. 2, 2008 | Fiesta | Oklahoma | 28 | West Virgina | 48 |
| 2006 | Jan. 1, 2007 | Fiesta | Oklahoma | 42 | Boise State | 43 |
| 2005 | Dec. 29, 2005 | Holiday Bowl | Oklahoma | 17 | Oregon | 14 |
| 2004 | Jan. 4, 2005 | Orange (NC) | Southern Cal | 55 | OKLAHOMA | 19 |
| 2003 | Jan. 4, 2004 | Sugar (NC) | Louisiana St | 21 | OKLAHOMA | 14 |
Not so hot a bowl record recently.
So yes, I think that beating the worst SEC champ of the last 7 years (at least) and a team that is an annual choker in the bowl games (even though he didn't coach the team in it...who knows, if he had, they might have lost. Less motivation) isn't notably more impressive than losing to a National Champion USC team (while holding them to their lowest point total since week 1), barely to a Texas team that had the best offensive player I've ever seen and would win the National Championship the next year with a last second FG, and an admitted not so good loss to a team that should have been playing for the National Championship in USC, but for 2 strange upset losses, whereas our motivation was shot because the team was down after getting screwed out of a National Championship rematch. I contend, switch the opponents, and West Virginia is 0-3, and Michigan is at least 1-1 (we do just fine against SEC teams...Oklahoma, who knows? I like our chances against them in their choking era).
I never really compared Rich to Harbaugh. Might be good to not call people foolish till you can improve your reading comprehension. It's nice that Rich ALMOST won a National Championship. But we ALMOST won one in 2006...in 1999...and oh, yeah, we DID win one with the coach who the OP was comparing Rich's record with. So yes, I'll strangely go with has National Championship ring over guy who almost won one coming out of the Big East. Call me crazy. But before doing that I'll wait till Rich "actually wins something we can crown him" for...at Michigan. Because a couple of Big East titles doesn't excite me that much.
And I don't even really want to throw this out, because it's an unnecessary slam on Rich...but your logic is so convoluted, I just have to-
Oh, by the way, how much did Michigan get worse after Rich Rod came to the University? Oh, we regressed...? (I mean, I wonder if the West Virginia blog is writing a Decimated Offense Diary...)
November 2nd, 2010 at 1:19 AM ^
Worse than Fucking Brewster dude, worse than Fucking Brewster.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:36 PM ^
You finally changed your sig. Didn't think it'd be any easier to auto-neg you, but there it is. Thanks, los barcos!
You're a miserable person.
November 2nd, 2010 at 1:11 AM ^
I wish his signature wasn't the truth too.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:45 PM ^
Are you Tom Hagen? You're such a tool.
November 1st, 2010 at 10:50 PM ^
4-16 vs 6-18
And after three years, the deniers continue to talk about WVU.
The seven stages...
November 1st, 2010 at 11:00 PM ^
Take that! How dare you bring actual numbers to a conversation to prove your point that Rich Rodriguez deserves to be fired. I hate you so much...
Conan sucks too....so there
November 1st, 2010 at 11:17 PM ^
Ok so lets look at Harbaugh record since he's still there:
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<br>2007: 4-8
<br>2008: 5-7
<br>2009: 8-5
<br>2010: 7-1
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<br>He was given enough time to build his program and recruit his guys. Why won't you do the same for RR? I'm tired of hearing "he'll come In and win right away". No he won't!