Planting seeds, yes. Chances those seeds will grow, slim to none.
Is Harbaugh planting seeds?
all is forgiven when we need a new coach. Not sure when that will be, but he is the list now. Successful coach at the highest academic institution that competes in the BCS who wants to come back. Sure, your right. Those seeds won't grow
Umm, yeah, pretty sure I'm serious.
He can stay out West. We have a coach, and our patience over these last two years will be rewarded soon enough.
as a potential Defensive Coordinator at Michigan.
The Clash of Ego would be something to behold, though RR seems to keep his in check. Not that Harbaugh would ever consider such a move, but yeah...
Although I have to say, the level and nature of my sarcasm is perfectly described by the expression on that dog...
+1. I am afraid that I am going to be thinking about that picture for the rest of this afternoon.
Glad I could help.
And the overwhelming number of reasons backed up by facts swayed me over to your side of the argument
I looked for your comment first as I read this post. Urge to kill fading, fading, RISING!
Blaze, do you want to start a group called Harbaugh Anonymous with me? If I see any more postings about Harbaugh becoming the next head coach my brain is going to explode . . .
Ha! I saw this thread and immediately opened it to see your (blazefire) response. I argued yesterday that posts about Harbaugh in general should be welcomed, and not everything about him was a comment about why he should coach at Michigan. However, this is the exact type of post you were talking about, so I laughed out loud when I read your comment. I am on your side today.
Someone get blaze another prozac and beer STAT!
and their isn't a bigger, more arrogrant a-hole in the history of the universe. If today's social media zeitgeist had been around when JH played at UM, I can pretty much guarantee he would have been kicked off the team and expelled for the stuff he did to women on a regular basis.
Oh how times have changed...
My favorite part is how you correctly use "zeitgeist" but use the wrong form of "there".
I remember when he blew past me at a kegger to proposition my girlfriend with little regard to me or her. When she turned him down, he actually seemed surprised, like, "How dare you not succumb to my powers; I'm Jim Frickin Harbaugh."
It was my first brush with self entitlement. How cool it would be to experience this for just a few seconds...
So basically you are saying he is U of M's version of "The Situation".
If you don't watch trashy shows like I do, you will not know what I am talking about don't worry.
The gf is being JWoww and I'm being Pauly D
this just in...star qb of college football team doesnt want to talk to random dudes at a party.
But what about stopping to chat in the cafeteria? I heard Tate NEVER does that.
... back when he played for the Colts. They held summer camp at my hometown university (Anderson University) and the team frequented the local watering holes. Harbaugh was quite the ladies man to the local gals that worked the bars and restaurants.
To the OP's point, yes, I believe he is planting seeds for the future- be it 1-, 2- or 10-years down the road. Harbaugh wants to come back to Michigan plain and simple.
I found that some of the artists I brought in were jerks despite their incredible talent. I lost my luster for the music industry but I still love Jazz (even theirs - though yes it tempers my enthusiasm.)
I grew up around Jim Harbaugh as a kid (I'm not his friend.) I don't like him, but I respect what Stanford has done under his coaching. Football is football - and the kind of football Stanford is playing...sign me up.
I'm glad to hear the media is policing Denard's private life. I'm happier not to hear this. This does not rise above hearsay - which is the blogosphere standard.
was a pretty notorious a-hole on campus. A friend of mine took a swing at him in South Quad one night. Now, he might very well have grown up a lot since then.
But frankly we must acknowledge there a lot of a-holes among the ranks of U of M faithful. Like the assfuck who called the radio yesterday and called Rich Rod a "hillbilly" and blah-blah-blah "power football" and blah-blah-blah "Bo is turning over in his grave." I wanted to reach through the radio and rip that clown's throat out. Give the guy a chance!
Times have changed. Bo built the supersonic jet but by the time Lloyd was done it had crashed to the ground. Anyone remember Appy State?
Some of these people resemble the ND fans who are so fucking arrogant they believe that just rolling out the Michigan (or ND) brand should automatically assume we'll have a 12 win team full of Rhodes Scholars and Eagle Scouts.
sorry. Low hanging fruit.
If it wasn't so frustrating to listen to these dickholes I would be doubled over with laughter at the irony of someone calling Rodriguez a hillbilly while endorsing a coach who has to spit out an enormous wad of Skoal before putting on his headset on the sidelines.
Couldn't agree more about how frustrating it is to hear people pine for "the good old days". For me the less spectacular, but better, example of how decayed the program's foundations had become is Oregon in 2007. Oregon came to Michigan unranked with a supposedly suspect defense. Michigan had experienced talent on both offense and defense, some of it NFL-caliber. Oregon did whatever they wanted whenever they wanted. The final score was 39-7 but I'm convinced that Oregon could have scored 50-plus points if they had wanted to do so. Their first-half drive chart:
|12:53||1||03:07||MICH 45||8||39||Field Goal Good|
|05:19||1||00:39||ORE 11||2||89||Passing Touchdown|
|03:33||1||03:22||ORE 23||11||45||Field Goal Missed|
|12:44||2||02:11||ORE 25||11||75||Rushing Touchdown|
|07:06||2||03:25||ORE 20||9||80||Rushing Touchdown|
|03:11||2||00:08||ORE 39||1||61||Passing Touchdown|
|00:24||2||00:24||ORE 8||1||-2||End of Half|
That game, to me, cemented home how far Michigan truly was away from playing elite-level football.
Don't forget by the end of the game, jonathan stewart was quoted as saying he was looking at the defensive linemen and trying to figure out which one was going to give up next. That Oregon game was also the worst home defeat in about 40 years (i think that's the timeframe). It was almost worse than the horror.
For me, Oregon was worse that the App. St. game. Putting aside the I-A v. I-AA divisional distinction, and App St. was probably something like the 50th-75th best team in the country. Maybe higher, maybe lower, but the point is that they were a legitimate team that Michigan overlooked, executed poorly against, then rallied and still could have won at the end. A bad, bad loss, but not historically bad if one removes the divisional bias. Oregon, on the other hand, left absolutely no room for argument that Michigan was still playing on anything that resembled an elite level. Oregon was just so much smarter, so much faster, so much quicker, and in such better condition, physically; for the first time in my time being devoted to Michigan football, I looked at another program and thought: "They're doing things in a fundamentally better way than Michigan is, across the board, schematically, identifying and developing players, etc. It was awful. I honor and cherish the program's history, but want nothing to do going forward with an organizational regime linked to that history.
And those two losses came on the heels of a bowl game in which we were pantsed by a rebuilding (for them) USC team, whose players laughed at how predictable we were.
That sucked. I had the most obnoxious and drunk Oregon students next to me that game, kept falling on top of me and screaming/goading everyone around them. It was the closest I've come to fighting at a Michigan game, I pushed one of them two rows down at which point he traded seats with one of his buddies. That guy wasn't too bad though.
I loved him when he guaranteed the win in The Game my sophomore year, but Jimmy has more skeletons in his closet than the garage sale from Pirates of the Carribean. I agree that the age of phone pics and Facebook would be problematic at best. Guy loves strippers and is on his third or fourth wife, which works for him. I don't see it working for Mr. Brandon. We have a coach the same age - 46. I'd love to see them both with their current employers battling it out for Rose Bowls and MNTs for the next 15 - 20 years.
Please detail for me all of the guys that have been suspended or thrown off the team for banging someone else's girlfriend. To quote the cinematic classic "Wayne's World II"
Wayne: My girlfriend's in there!
Security: A lot of guys' girlfriends are in there.
And making vague references to a guy's actions towards women that could fall anywhere between "He hit on my girlfriend" to, well, use your imagination, is extremely douche-y, if not borderline slanderous.
I agree that the asshole things Harbaugh did as a college student shouldn't be the focus of our attention. The asshole things he does right now (including continuing to slander our program in his recruiting pitch) should be the focus.
No offense to the OP, but who cares? RR is our coach and will be for a very long time.
ed: to clarify, I'm just saying lots of stuff can still go wrong this year. Never underestimate the power of the Angry Michigan _____ Hating God.
seeds for Michigan to self-impose a mercy rule when they eventually humiliate Stanford at a Rose Bowl to be determined. Yes he is.
You are not allowed to do this! Only one! Freaky Denard avatar guy!
Hahaha that is great. His avatar kinda freaks me out a bit.
freaky denard has a HUGE sack!
Even his negative comments made me think that. If RR is successful this year, Harbaugh may be out in the cold for much of his career.
while it's always nice to have a Plan B, I don't think RR is going anywhere for a long long time.
was married, but I suppose its possible. Women love a hot commodity, and he may want to add some future branches to the Harbaugh coaching tree.
one of the coaches wives again? Oh wait, wrong former Wolverine, prodigal son grapevine....
Wow...would love to hear the story behind that one
The story goes that Les Miles was never offered the head coaching job at Michigan because he had an affair with Gary Moeller's wife in the 90s. Apparently, after this, Les left the University and Moeller started drinking, leading to his disorderly conduct arrest and subsequent resignation. Lloyd and Bo knew what had happened, and Lloyd made sure that Bill Martin didn't offer Les the job after he retired.
Personally, I think this is a load of crap, but that's the story.
It's a good one, but i'm not sure how it's looked upon to be posted here.
I'll let someone with more MGoClout/Experience decide whether to post about it or not.
Owch...sounds like a nice little soap plot
Harbaugh will be in the NFL next year because the Michigan job will not be open.
Harbaugh is going to need to a lot more than a few comments to win over fans. We have a great coach who is finally getting his team. It will take a lot to go wrong to go to Harbaugh after what we have been through.
Epid class is boring.
(I just noticed he has a mullet/rattail going on.)
I think I'm sitting in your same class right now. Patho?
I'm in CVD, Epid 604 with Prof. Lisabeth. It's interesting at times, but I'm just not in the mood today. Also, I'm an EHS student so this Epid stuff is a bit over my head,
Ah, I'm an Epid student in an EHS class right now actually (EHS 513). Dr. Lisabeth is my academic advisor though.
Ah, well you, sir, are lucky (if you are a sir), because I find Dr. Lisabeth to be very, very easy on the eyes ;)
Not gonna lie, she's part of the reason I stuck with this course.
Yeah, Epid is loaded with PILFs. Not only is there Dr. Lisabeth, but there's also Dr. Aiello...
I've seen these "glasses" pop up more frequently now.
Can someone help me out? What is their significance, besides providing me with humor?
I'm just gonna put this out there... you have been en fuego in this thread.
Heh, it's been a very slow day of classes. I'm sure the people behind me in lecture wondered what I was doing while I made the disappointed eyed highlander in mspaint instead of paying attention to occupational causes of cancer.
Seeing as every coach is 1 bad year away from getting canned (see Richt, Mark)
They have to plant as many seeds as possible
Perhaps Harbaugh wants to make peace with his alma mater. Perhaps he heard people say he was putting down Bo with the comments he made. (I have a hunch he was horrified by that.) Who knows? As he was one of my very favorite players of all time, I wish him great success as a coach. But we have a coach. A damned good one. Can we just drop this line of thinking?
He's still rough around the edges (IMO, anyway). This might be viewed as part of his "maturation" process. Just trying to mend fences, maybe ... even if he doesn't pursue anything at Michigan, that will serve him well.
/doesn't give a shit.
I recall he planted a fair amount of seed when he was a student.
Everybody wants a piece of this action.
I have no idea whether that's what he's doing, but I don't think he'll be coaching here any time soon regardless.
I guess I've missed most of the Harbaugh thread saturation quotient on this blog. Didn't realize I was picking at scabs here, guys.
Apologies. Just thought Harbaugh's comments were noteworthy.
This is a forum to discuss Michigan football, and those tangential topics related to Michigan football.
I see no problem with you posting a comment (1) about Michigan, (2) by a former standout M player, (3) who has reputedly always wanted to coach at Michigan.
Now, I do think that no matter how many seeds he plants, Harbaugh will not be our coach because RR will show over the course of this season and next that he is here to stay. But,it is still a good thing when a former star mends fences with Michigan.
If he's planting tomato seeds that would be telling.
Personally I'm fine with him mending fences and nosing around for a job here. It's comforting to know we have options. I remember the dark days after we bungled the Les Miles contract and were flailing around until RR contacted us. I want RR to succeed and stay but I like having a solid Plan B.
(The first year we win a BCS Bowl I'm mailing a flower arrangement to the WVU AD with a little "Thanks for pissing RR off" card. I'm classy like that.)
Here is an old article about the comments. Granted it was 3 years ago, but it seems like things were pretty rigid. I don't know if a couple shoutouts in an interview can bring him back.
When he took the job of coaching the football team of John Pollack's alma mater, he straightforwardly said it was his dream job, and that Palo Alto was the place he had fondest memories of. Why would he soil himself by coming back here? It's clear it would be a step down for him.
Harbaugh is an arrogant jerk. Stanford can keep him.
RR is much more genuine. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see there is a DIRECT CORRELATION between the quality person the head coach is and the quality of the kids he brings in. This group of M players is perhaps the most likeable in the history of the program. Coincidence?
I'm shock to hear these things about JH. If this is indeed true, I'm glad he is not the coach here. RR seems very genuine and I'm glad to have him here.
Bo was an arrogant jerk? B/c he brought in Harbaugh, the arrogant jerk. Or maybe RR is academically challenged? B/c he brings in kids that don't qualify?
I happened to think a lot of the teams in the 90s were likable as well. I think I'd put that on the players, not on the coach.
my logic was perhaps a bit flawed. But Bo didn't just have JH, he had a bunch a great kids. The typical quality of the kids under Bo, Mo, and LC are a CREDIT to those coaches as being good people.
But look at Jimmy Johnson at Miami, or Switzer at Oklahoma. Many times there IS a correlation between cheating scumbags and the quality of people they bring into their program.
I'm just trying to say something nice about RR.
From my personal experience with Harbs, I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
Many people desire the Michigan head coaching job. And a lot of people want to become Pope. But since the turn of the last century, there have been eleven head coaches at Michigan, and ten Popes. So, I guess what I'm saying is that some jobs you don't simply get by expressing interest.
For the Pope comparison. Seeing how RR just about has this team on track for national domination once again, I'd say the numbers will be even at 11 a piece in due time.
Are you wishing a quick death upon the pope?
but the turn of the last century was just ten years ago; Michigan has had two head coaches during that time and there have, likewise, been two popes.
is this about farmville?
I'm sorry, but where was Harbaugh when we were out looking for a coach a few years back? He could have sucked-up a bit and made nice and been in consideration. But that didn't happen. Now that he sees Michigan on its way back, he figures he would just drop a little hint that he would be interested. That ship has sailed.
Harbaugh wasn't even on the radar when Michigan was looking for a coach. He had been at Stanford 1 year. He wasn't about to pull a Kiffin and come to Michigan, and no offense to him, but at that time I don't think he had the resume to get the job anyway. Had Carr waited a couple years to retire, then maybe you'd have a point.
eh, i'm not positive on what his resume looked like during the coaching search in 07, but I feel like at the time it would have been a stretch to hire Jim, even with the Michigan Man thing. He's had much better seasons since then, and I think, were there to be an opening, he would be much more viable this time around.
that said, there will be no opening, unless we somehow find a way to lose 7 of the last 8 games, in which case, we'll have another problem on our hands....
I think if Carr retired a year later, there'd be NO CHANCE that Rich would be our coach. Les Miles wouldn't have been put on the spot during the SEC game by Herbstreit and might have more chance to handle the situation out of the spotlight. OR, with another season to let his star shine, Harbaugh would've gotten a closer look. One of those two, in my opinion...
BUT, maybe that's why we should value Rich coming to the school. The stars aligned to have Lloyd leave when he did, and to have Martin make the choice he made at the time he made it. Rich is a departure from the past, a new leaf, a new offense, with new players. Yes, it's been a bumpy road to say the least, but we all know we haven't seen the best of what's to come. And if all of that's not enough to please all of the 'right here right now' people, just ask yourself this:
Would Denard be here if Les was the coach? Or if Harbaugh was?
But I'm pretty sure Denard would not be here if either of them were. Who knows though, Patterson might be here or Luck? And we might have a different hero to worship. I just think its way to speculative to compare personel/success here of coaches that might have been the coach.
later the Clemson, Auburn and Tennessee jobs all came open, he'd be in one of those 3 places.
but I doubt he'd go to Clemson or Auburn. He turned down the 'bama job before it went to Saban.
I think if Carr retired a year later, there'd be NO CHANCE that Rich would be our coach. Les Miles wouldn't have been put on the spot during the SEC game by Herbstreit and might have more chance to handle the situation out of the spotlight. OR, with another season to let his star shine, Harbaugh would've gotten a closer look.
Disagree on both counts. Les Miles isn't our coach because we didn't want him. (He and Lloyd aren't exactly best buds.) He tried to work the media to become a candidate. We did not contact him. Bill Martin wasn't "accidently" out of touch on that sailing trip. He knew perfectly well that LSU was calling Miles's bluff and putting the screws to him right then.
And Harbaugh went 5-7 in 2008 (on the heels of a 4-8 season in '07), so I doubt he'd have been in strong consideration then. Imagine the outcry if we'd hired a guy whose career record was 9-15.
Sometimes this forum makes me want to throw out my computer.
Another day, another Harbaugh thread
Great. Maybe we can talk about the Freep next? Please?
Geuax Blue......come on man? Where are you? There is an mgolicious topic on this article and you've been deleting threads that coincide with mgolicious for weeks now. Wake up!!
...but it did generate 84 replies so far.
I think I would be more in the corner of "live and let live" for this one.
Harbaugh as the next coach when Magnus is possibly available? Get realz.
Hilarious. I don't know about taking Stanford to the Nat'l Championship, but he definitely just took the Browns to the Super Bowl.
I saw Jim Harbaugh take a 22 year old girl into the bathroom at S'keepers to "plant his seed" in May of 2001.
I'm not the only one who wants to hear more trashy stories about how Harbaugh was on campus
Hearing all this about Harbaugh makes me like Denard more and more. How lucky are we to have such an incredible player who is all about the team and shows zero selfishness or arrogance?
To answer the OP's question, I highly doubt Harbaugh's statement were meant to 'plant seeds' that he would be interested in the job. He wouldn't need to do that. Pretty sure Brandon knows who he is and how to get a hold of him. I'd be willing to be money that somewhere in the interview, the reporter asked him about the influence playing for Bo Schembechler had on his coaching career.
Now when is he going to stop lying to recruits, telling them that Stanford is different than a football factory like Michigan, where players aren't allowed to major in history?
I hope to god YES. I've never seen a UM offense like I have this year. I have my doubts whether Denard could have started over Tate if Jim Harbaugh were coach just b/c the scheme would be so different (just my humble opinion).
Yet, I love Harbaugh and the idea of him being the head coach. I believe he is doing something great in Stanford and if RR fails, he would love to coach here. I just feel like the team would be more balanced if he were here.
Of course, Oregon just put up 45 points on Stanford today, so....
Update: 52 pts
Putting aside the fact that Harbaugh is a lying scumbag who isn't above trashing his alma mater to recruits, the guy is simply married to an outdated way of playing football. This is the best offense he'll probably ever have there. Luck may be the first QB drafted next year. His OL, backs, and receivers are all very good. And still, they looked like they were running in mud today compared to the Oregon offense (which has a new QB). Oregon seized control of the tempo, got Harbaugh's plodding team out of its comfort zone in the second half, and it turned into a rout.