Harbaugh angry = best possible outcome?
November 28th, 2016 at 9:51 AM ^
Yeah. I pity the team that we are going to play in a bowl game. Semper fi, btw.
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November 28th, 2016 at 9:53 AM ^
No. Decidedly no.
Being jobbed out of a win against our arch rival is not a good result. Not in these circumstances, where Harbaugh already has the team on the right track.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:06 AM ^
when his phone is going to be ringing off the hook two months from now from half of the NFL teams in the league. We got completely jobbed against MSU last year and had The Game taken from us by the refs this year. I know he is a competitive guy but when does "to hell with this" start to become an issue. If he is going to be flat out essentially prevented from winning year after year I could see him getting out of dodge. I am serious when I say that he has gotten a brutally bad whistle from the moment he took this job, beginning with the roughing the kicker against Oregon State all the way through last Saturday. It is beginning to look rather targeted.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:14 AM ^
NFL officiating sucks too. He isn't going anywhere.
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November 28th, 2016 at 10:32 AM ^
Do you honestly think he'll leave the school he loves because of bum officiating?
The answer: hell no!
He's doing what I think he should do: call out the crap officials, push for greater equality and transparency with regards to officiating and get a better OL/rushing game.
November 28th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^
on Coach Harbaugh. He's violated (in their minds) the unwritten rule that coaches don't complain about bad officiating. So, they're attempting to "correct" his behavior by constantly giving him the short end of calls or non-calls. Having watched all the games since JH became our coach, I believe this more and more strongly as time goes on. Saturday's debacle though, has been the worst case of it. There's more than enough smoke here for Warde Manuel to file some sort of protest or at least a request for an investigation with the Big Ten office. Most likely though, based on the weak, spineless behavior we've seen from the Big Ten in the past on issues like this, nothing will happen.
November 28th, 2016 at 12:34 PM ^
one bad officiated game is not going to chase him away from the Michigan. Even he admitted he has seen poorly officiated games in the past, which includes the NFL. It's not a conspiracy to get him out of college.
He will just want to make sure next time the game can not be decided by the refs.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^
But now he can get them on the righter track.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:27 AM ^
I'm not sure that losing virtually all of the valuable players on both sides of the ball is going to set us up to be better next year. I'm thinking 9-3 or maybe 10-2 at best but I'm just REALLY hopeful that two of those are MSU and OSU
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November 28th, 2016 at 11:02 AM ^
The defense will be good...at the very least Boston College under Don Brown good...with slightly better athletes instead of hugely better athletes.
And a 2nd year starter Speight? If he improves on a 2400 yard season and 17/6 ratio...qb play alone could lead this team to an extra couple wins.
November 28th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^
There's no way the D is as good (or really, nearly as good) with all the talent leaving, but don't undersell the importance of 2nd year in Brown's system....players are now familiar with it and should see a jump after going through spring and fall camps, as they get to focus on the little things and the technique aspects, install of learning a new playbook. The offense should look to carry team early though as a lot of the young guys on O got some valuable experience this year (Evans, Bredeson, McDoom, Crawford, TWJr, Asiasi). Schedule also sets up nicely I think....don't see Florida's offense taking a leap forward and will lose Tabor (most likely) and other key pieces from D. Cincy is going backwards, Air Force will be interesting (damn you Brandon), then @ Purdue, then bye week before facing Sparty at home....and who knows what Sparty will look like next year (losing McDowell will hurt no doubt). Think, by then, D will be rounding into better shape.
November 28th, 2016 at 1:50 PM ^
8-4 is also quite likely. I think Vegas puts the line at 7.5 to 8 in the off season.
A gutted MI team whose Jr.s are Harbaugh's first class: http://michigan.247sports.com/season/2015-football/commits. (If that doesn't make you cry...)
are going to beat Florida, PSU and Wisky on the road? OSU?
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November 28th, 2016 at 2:43 PM ^
I think our offense takes a step forward and our defense while not as lights out as this year will be one of the best in the big ten. After all youve seen Harbaugh do you think 3 top 10 classes is not going to pay off? Did you see what Doc Brown did to Ohio this year?
November 28th, 2016 at 4:23 PM ^
Man, that was a rough recruiting class back in 2015. Our top rated player not even on the team anymore. But holy smokes, think of the 2019 team--likely loaded with 4 successive top 5 recruiting classes and probably losing only few big contributors of varying skill levels from the 2015 class.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:53 AM ^
Given our realistic options, I would like nothing more than a pissed off Michigan team laying waste to Florida St in the Orange Bowl.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:58 AM ^
The only two teams I want to lay waste to right now are 1) OSU and 2) Alabama. And I hope we get a chance to do it this season.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^
That always tricky third team, the one wearing those annoying black and white striped uniforms.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^
Cue UMProud "we need to raise the point threshold on creation of new threads" in t-minus 5... 4... 3... 2...
November 28th, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^
Sorry my lowly peon points aren't worthy of topic posts, just hoping to gain some semblance of sanity amongst the chaos this weekend. I know Harbaugh will always bring 100%, no doubt there. Perhaps at least his fire will allow the players and recruits to see his passion and dedication to fair play and competitiveness. I know true Michigan men will emerge victors valiant no matter the price to pay.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:13 AM ^
You destroyed my passive aggressive comment with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. +1 to you sir.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^
I was happy to see Harbaugh reject the "code" and "out" the refs for their terrible "work." Harbaugh has a high profile and it''s great to see his voice being used to call attention to obvious injustice.
As for his anger, it is even better because while we "hate" Ohio State, Ohio State really does hate us. So does Sparty. It's great to have a coach who is going to hate them back as actively as they hate Michigan. There won't be an edge in "intangibles" for OSU or Sparty from this point forward.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^
What bowl are you guys thinking? Unfortunately I think CFP is out. So, I don't know.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^
OSU fans are calling Harbaugh a crybaby...and that it will impact recruitment negatively.
I think it will only help recruiting. You want a coach who is competitive, agressive, willing to hold refs accountable for poor performance, and who fights when their players are wronged.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:42 AM ^
unless they're delusional. Won't hurt recruiting one bit that Harbaugh actively looks out for his players and coaching staff. Never throws them under the bus - ever.
The officials are also fair game for criticism, no need to fear them.
Whoever has the 10:00 show on WTKA at this moment (never listened to this show before) he started out by saying don't talk about the officials, because Michigan failed to seize the moment, then completely reversed himself and said the refs were not competent and that M absolutely stopped Barrett short of the 1st down.
That's the game. OSU knows in their heart they didn't actually win, hence all the drum beating (the same beat, too.. over and over) and the photoshop "sky cam"...... ultimately they have cheapened the rivalry, and cheapened their victory. Big 10 not looking good to the world right now. Impartial observers who don't care about Michigan are saying WTF assigning this crew.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:55 AM ^
Turtles with the lead. Has to change. Who cares about next year or the Orange Bowl vs Florida Fucking State.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:57 AM ^
You say that as if he held some of it back? I just can't see him holding any fire or passion back to begin with. He's balls to the wall all the time. I can't see Harbaugh getting any more intense.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:20 AM ^
Wasn't it Rich Rod that stated the process for turning a program around was:
1. Lose by a lot
2. Lose by a little
3. Win by a little
4. Win by a lot
Both Michigan State and Ohio State rivalry games appear to be currently trending in that direction since Harbaugh has taken over.
MSU
'15: L 23-27 (lose by a little)
'16: W 32-23 (win by a little)
OSU
'15: L 13-42 (lose by a lot)
'16: L 27-30 OT (lose by a little)
Following this projection, 2016 is setting up to be a great year!
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November 28th, 2016 at 10:28 AM ^
Will be for Harbaugh to ask in his presser how and why those particular officials were selected for the game. While WE all know their background I can assure you the vast majority of the public does not. This morning at my office, for example, I spoke to at least 1/2 dozen OSU fans and not one was aware of the OSU ties of the officials. Not one.
Along with getting on the soapbox for inclusion in the final four I think Jim needs to double down on the officiating bullshit and not back away from it out of fear of censure. The B1G purposively stacked the deck against us - people need to know that and today for the most part only Michigan fans do..
November 28th, 2016 at 12:14 PM ^
Permitting bias to be introduced into an athletic constest is not right. Michigan has to be a change agent through use of the "bully pullpit".
November 28th, 2016 at 10:31 AM ^
Anybody else nervous we turn into Florida from last year in our bowl game? With so many seniors who had playoff expectations, a Orange Bowl on December 30th will probably be a letdown. Guys like Lewis, Peppers, Taco, Butt, etc. will be working on finding agents and combine prep.
I'd like to hope Harbaugh can keep the team focused, but tough when 10-12 guys are prepping to make themselves as much money as possible.
November 28th, 2016 at 11:01 AM ^
The seniors will want to go out with a win and I expect theyou will make sure the game isn't close so the zebras could effect the outcome. Win with cruelly.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:55 AM ^
And ten best outcome was winning a national title with a senior laden team.
November 28th, 2016 at 10:58 AM ^
I couldn't even tell you if such lobbying worked when it came to the CFP committee. It isn't as if their criteria are absolutely transparent, but I don't know that I've ever heard anyone say that they listen to this. Well, unless this is part of what is meant whenever the word "deserving" comes up, but I guess if there is hope to be had, then we can hope that a very wide dissatisfaction with the result for reasons beyond the score helps when evaluating that loss. I have my doubts personally.
November 28th, 2016 at 11:30 AM ^
I want an angry Brian more so he ups the point value for starting threads.
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November 28th, 2016 at 11:50 AM ^
Nothing, zero.
Losing a ton of senior starters, missing conference and national championship opportunities, letting OSU off the hook and probably propelling them to the playoffs. Let's not kid ourselves, every single part of that was bad and a massive disappointment and whatever comes of the bowl season (CFP ain't happening) is a let down from where this group was a month ago.
Perhaps even worse, OSU could be 2 wins from another CFP championship and there team, in all likelyhood, will be better (more experienced) next year.
November 28th, 2016 at 12:26 PM ^
As dour as your outlook is, I can't say I wholly disagree. Anything "positive" about saturday can only be for next season. We had a great team, tons of senior leadership and talent, and a top 2 defense that smothered people. But we went 1-2 in our last three games, offense looked like shit all three games, we have no shot at a conference title, not even in the title game, no shot at CFP, lose all the seniors plus our most talented player, two teams we destroyed will play for the conference, our rival is a lock for the CFP, we will play in a good bowl game but the only implications will be if we lose we end up with the same fucking record we had last year, without the excitement of a blowout bowl win to propel us into recruiting and the next season.
12-0 or 11-1 was right in our players and coaches hands, and they dropped it. And it sucks and hurts.
did we get fucked at OSU? you bet. But beat fucking Iowa and it doesn't really matter.
Hope the youngsters get tons of reps during the december practice season, cause that is what we are playing for at this point, next season.
November 28th, 2016 at 12:26 PM ^
As dour as your outlook is, I can't say I wholly disagree. Anything "positive" about saturday can only be for next season. We had a great team, tons of senior leadership and talent, and a top 2 defense that smothered people. But we went 1-2 in our last three games, offense looked like shit all three games, we have no shot at a conference title, not even in the title game, no shot at CFP, lose all the seniors plus our most talented player, two teams we destroyed will play for the conference, our rival is a lock for the CFP, we will play in a good bowl game but the only implications will be if we lose we end up with the same fucking record we had last year, without the excitement of a blowout bowl win to propel us into recruiting and the next season.
12-0 or 11-1 was right in our players and coaches hands, and they dropped it. And it sucks and hurts.
did we get fucked at OSU? you bet. But beat fucking Iowa and it doesn't really matter.
Hope the youngsters get tons of reps during the december practice season, cause that is what we are playing for at this point, next season.
November 28th, 2016 at 12:01 PM ^
with a burning ember in his skull is one of the most dangerous men in America.
Witness what we did to Florida last year...beat them until they gave up the will to continue fighting. The teams were supposed to be closely matched and it was a maize and blue tsunami.
The genius of Harbaugh is this. He sowed enough doubt worldwide that osu needed "aid" in their "victory" that if there is to be any comparison between the two teams later in the season, everyone will have skepticism as to whether OSU was the better team by a large margin.
November 28th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^
FWIW, I think Harbaugh already accomplished his goal with the presser rant. I think the whole locker room felt that way, and if Harbaugh says it, that means no one else on the team has to say it.
Harbaugh will take any fine. He's fine with absorbing any criticism. He doesn't care what people outside the team think about him.
If he didn't say it, and a player was goaded into saying it by the press, they'd be labeled as a whiner and loser. Because you know, the press already wrote an article about X player whining about the officiating. Harbaugh made them change the story.