Are you seriously comparing Harbaugh's third year at Stanford, in which they finished ranked 19 in the country, with this year's Michigan team?
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I thought he was comparing this year's Michigan team to the 1-11 Stanford team.
I disagree. Whoever comes in is getting a young team that is primed and ready to go. Give them a good defensive scheme and keep the offense about the same and you are looking at championships.
I'd prefer to serve his deliciously nutritious, meaty head to the team.
I thought no thought could be worse than Hoke or Miles. Thank you for giving me something to feel good about this impending disaster.
Have we lost our ever lovin mind?
I would rather kill my grandmother than have Bret Bielema as our head coach.
And Dantonio can be our DC. Hey, he coached the '02 OSU defense!
This will not end well for us.
Yeah. I am afraid you are right. The moment to get the guy we needed has passed.
it's not like there was a day & time that JH would have said yes, and DB didn't act.
If the guy wants to be in the NFL, he's going and would have gone all along.
There's no "Help Wanted" posting at umich.edu employment. There is, however, still a posting for Chief Compliance Officer Athletics.
OMG! DB fired Judy Van Horn without a replacement already on the hook?! Press the panic button!
though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death... Jim Harbaugh's in freakin' San Fransisco interviewing with the 49ers. WTF.
-- Six Zero, Chapter 4:15
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I don't think that rule applies when we have no coach.
It does if there's no chance that he will be the next one...
If I say that, I can't be dissapointed, right?
My biggest fear is that we're going to end up hiring our version of Derek Dooley.
Hurricane Harbaugh is on the horizon ...
OK. So we have to be forward-looking here. Hoke has turned around two programs, won SDSU's first bowl game in over 40 years, and coached on the Michigan defensive line when they went 5-3 against Ohio State. He understands the Big 10, and has always wanted this job.
As this is January, however, I can't help look backwards as well. Did Harbaugh waffle on Michigan, or did Brandon vastly overplay his hand in assuming Harbaugh would come if offered the job?
The program will move forward after this, but will be haunted by the same type of questions that remained in the wake of the last coaching search. The one person uniquely situated to have learned from the last search, former Regent and current AD David Brandon, apparently did not. I hope we, as a fan base, learn from last time and get behind the next guy, whether he is Hoke, Les Miles, or Lloyd Brady.
I am not thrilled at the prospect of Hoke, honestly, but it really wouldn't be the end of the world. The biggest positive about him is that he seems to REALLY want this job, and hopefully this drive will lead to a lot of motivation. Either way, you are correct that we need unity, unlike what we got last time. Whoever is our coach, we can't do to him what our base did to RichRod. It will only spell more disaster. I for one will fully support whoever our coach may be. Above all, we just need to win. Winning cures all.
I'm all in for sure!
Just speculation on my part but I'm assuming JH was the first choice, he said no or things didn't work out. Yesterday DB and RR meet, DB tells RR that if he's the coach next year the defensive staff needs to be revamped. RR says like sleep on it. Today, RR says no.
Just speculation, but I have to wonder if DB knew all along he wasn't going to bring RR back next year why not just give him the notice yesterday. The only thing that pops into my head as to why RR didn't get let go yesterday was that he had the option to stay if he hired a new defensive staff.
My theory is that DB wanted to float Hoke's name as a trial balloon before the press conference. Someone else's theory (saw it on another thread, can't remember poster) said that it may have been very emotional, and DB & RR wanted to have some time before addressing media & players.
The lawyers were working out every detail so we don't have "WV Exit 2011".
after listening to the presser the guy is very calculating, he sounds in control and actually calmed me down. I understand why he has handled things the way he and its makes sense. Many comments make me think the guy is a master negotiator. I'm going with the bet he makes a great hire. Please.
Yesterday, and earlier today, I've been irate, annoyed, and frustrated. I still have some of those feelings.
But recruiting cycle aside, how could we have SECURED a top-flight coach by firing RR in December? Didn't we lose our coach around that time in 2007? How'd that work out for us? DB played this coy from jump street, so I have to trust he's going to do what's best for our program. As much as I want to paint him this way (if only as a coping mechanism at this point), I'm sorry, but the guy just doesn't strike me as the bumbling, nerdy, useless AD that was Bill Martin.
A Florida newspaper is reporting that "Harbaugh's camp is reportedly demanding a salary north of $6 million a season." Daaaaang...
Hell, at this point, let's pay 'em it.
I tried a lengthy post after finally getting logged in after 100+ tries only to have it bounce me back out. So, I will limit myself to saying - as a test - that DB was wearing a truly ugly tie.
Yeah, what was the color, burlap-sack gold?
Some people have suggested that the 49ers ownership is a major problem. If so, maybe JH will look at what has happened to other coaches with good resumes - both college and pro - who have tried to make a go of it with Dan Snyder here in Washington. It has been ugly.
Many say that JH has a personality better suited to college ball than the pros. Steve Spurrier may be an apt comparison. When Spurrier, with a longer and better history than JH, tried it at the Redskins, it didn't work out so well for him, and Spurrier, like JH, was a rah-rah sort of guy. That rah-rah works well with 18-21 year old kids but not so well with guys who are making even more than even the most highly paid head coaches.
If SF is willing to pay the $6M that I read somewhere, and DB were willing to go the $5.2M mentioned during the press conference, it would seem to me as if the $5.2M in AA would go farther than the $6M in SF. Besides, in AA he would be the returning hero, and that would last a while. In SF, he would inherit a lackluster, underperforming team with no QB. Of course, the conference is so weak that he might make it to the playoffs next year by going 8-8, but St. Louis has some good young players who might be getting better and the SF fans would not be happy with 8-8 anyway. At least with us, he has a good offense coming back and a young but pretty experienced defense. He has a much better chance for immediate success here than there, particularly if he can coach up the defense.
JH has said so himself. From an interview he did a yr and a half ago:
Another interesting response came when Harbaugh was asked about his potential future as an NFL head coach. While one would expect Harbaugh to say he will stay at Stanford forever, I was surprised by the way he denied his ability to coach in the NFL. “I consider myself a collegiate coach.” He followed that up later with “I think I am a college guy.”
He was quoted talking about the purity of non-scholarship athletics when he was at USD too. It didn't stop him from taking the Stanford job for more money and a higher profile. All this (and his comments about Stanford pre-Orange Bowl) shows is that he has a history of saying, "I like the job I currently have."
You're probably right. I wasn't trying to suggest he'd stay college anyway - just pointing to past statements. At this point there looks to be too much NFL smoke (i.e., $$$$) for there not to be a change. Though, I do think if for some reason none of the NFL jobs feel 'right' for him, he'll prolly end up back at Stanford.
Anyone else find it odd that a guy with no NFL head coaching experience is somehow the most desired commodity in the league and is apparently on the verge of making Bellichick money? I know he's a former player and from a coaching family, but still . . . I'm not sure why NFL franchises think he's a sure thing. I think he may be better-suited for the college game.
You are not alone. I don't think his skill set will translate into the NFL. His motivational powers will mean little -- just ask Mike Singletary.
Everything coming out now seems to indicate Carolina, Dolphins, Broncos, etc. aren't really pursuing as much as the hot-name rumor mill made it sound like.
If Brandon is serious about offering top dollar ($5+ million) and the only competition is the Niners I like the chances of landing him a lot more than I did a few days ago with the prospect of an NFL bidding war and Michigan's typical low-ball approach.
Stoops made as the highest paid FB coach in 2009. at a 50% raise, we could probably get Bob Stoops.
Am I the only one who keeps having Jim Herrmann nightmares every time I see the initials "JH" posted anywhere?
1. He has an NFL staff that he has to convince a college job is his choice, if that is what he perfers. I know they can bolt, but, there is that
2. Right now he is running a great pro "prep" offense. I know it seems complex, but, it hinges on the simple part of executing. The game with in the game movements and such pray on the college athlete, but, wouldn't be such an advantage in the pro's.
The point is, he is at another level for the college game scheme and coaching wise. But, what makes him a great college coach is his personality in recruiting and motivation.
I say tack on a Harbaugh tax to each ticket that goes directly to him. 110,000 would be more then happy to pitch in each game.
Jim is definitely my first choice, but if Brady Hoke is hired, we must be more welcoming than with RR. The last thing we need is upset termites screwing things up again. He's said this is his dream job and I believe he would treat it as such.
edit: and all of SDSU's losses this year were to Missouri, BYU, TCU, and Utah and they were all under 5 points. That's not too shabby if you ask me.
I don't think he'll get a bad reception, at least once the season starts. My worry is that he is our Charlie Weis, the unproven head coach that has immediate success with the program another coach was building up before getting canned after just three seasons, receives universal praise from an uninformed fanbase/administration before settling in to mediocrity or worse in year three and beyond.
I hope he isn't hired. If he is, then I really hope I'm wrong.
I don't think it's fair to compare him to Weis. Weis was an offensive coordinator with no HC experience, and no one had any idea how he'd handle the other side of the ball. (As it turned out, he handled it very poorly.) Hoke has an actual HC track record. It didn't look so good from 2003-06, but it looks better after that. I think it's plausible that he needed some time to learn on the job, but has now gotten this head coaching thing pretty much figured out. I was impressed with his team in the bowl game.
And I really hope he emphasizes defense first thing when he gets here. OSU gets away with so many near screw ups because they have such great defense. I really wish we could see that here, just a better offense than theirs too.
Weis has a winning record as a college head coach. Unfair comparison.
Part of Weiss's problem was him rubbing people the wrong way (not just opposing fans, but Alumni and such). Not being likable, basically. Which (maybe unfortunately) matters in college. Everyone around the University who's worked with Hoke loves him. And I can only assume that the people he interacts with at the U will feel the same way (Alumni, staff, fans). The average fan on the street will freak. But he might get the important one's with $$$ behind him. Might prevent some of the problems ND had. Assuming we win games, of course.
He got fired because the program he built couldn't get over the hump, but at least he got a chance. His resume is also a hell of a lot better than Hoke's.
Assistant coaching career: Weis has two strong stints as an offensive coordinator in the NFL while Hoke was a d-line coach at Michigan and Oregon State.
Head coaching career: Both inherited college teams from Indiana that won 5 and 6 games the two years before they arrived (eery similarities continue). Weis went 35-27 and left his successor a blue-chip junior QB (Crist), a stud WR (Floyd), a stud TE (Rudolph), a stud LB (T'eo) and the team went 8-5. Hoke went 34-38 and left his successor (Stan Parrish) a team that won 2 games. Both have one bowl win against a less talented non AQ opponent, though Hoke got to play his game in his home stadium whereas Weis had to travel to Hawaii to play Hawaii.
This guy has done absolutely nothing to justify giving him the head coaching job at Michigan, much less dumping Rodriguez to get him. If Brandon hires him I will be disgusted that the worst type of cronyism that has hampered the program in the past is now run rampant in our new athletic department.
Luckily I don't think it is going to happen.
started out over the hump and then got stuck on one. Put his last three years as his first three years, and he is facing the same music RR faced.
He bought or 'got a chance' because he STARTED out his ND stint with two BCS bowls and a 9 and 10 win seasons. RR does that his first two years, he's probably got five more.