I surely hope that it doesn't work out. Something needs to happen positive for once.
spoiler alert: i linked this
I surely hope that it doesn't work out. Something needs to happen positive for once.
What if JH wants to come to Michigan, but insists he be paid market (NFL) value?
DB and JH agree to feign mutual disinterest so JH can shop himself to the NFL, then Michigan meets the NFL's best offer.
It's odd that they are going so far out of their way to sound disinterested in the one remaining outcome that makes some sense.
Grasping, I know. I'll root wholeheartedly for the next guy, regardless of who it is, but I'm looking for any marginally plausible scenario that ends reasonably well.
I've kind of heard the same sort of analogy. JH is testing the waters of the NFL with U-M to fall back on should he not get the right scenario he wants in the NFL. I don't have a link or a source I can let out of the bag, but I hear that the alumni and close friends of his are telling him U-M will match the NFL offers for him to come back to AA. Evedently they want him and nobody else will do.
it also gives Michigan an enviable position in this respect:
If Harbaugh takes the NFL, Brandon can very legitmately say that Michigan pursued it, offered him a good contract, and he elected to go another direction. That will pave the way for them to offer the job to Brady Hoke or Les Miles (I for as hell do not want Les Miles). All in all Hoke may be a great coach, I sense that Brandon believes he will from his description of attributes (head coach, understand Michigan, midwest recrruiting experience, defensive minded) that he's looking for in a head coach.
As the time has passed I have started to believe this is Harbaughs plan, get Michigan to match the highest offer. Hes playing it beautifully. Is he worth 6 mil a year?
If ND can recover from the Weis blunder with Brian Kelly, we sure as shit can afford to blow our wad on Harbaugh.
At least Harbaugh has proven to be a successful college head coach first.
For the profit our football program nets, paying the top candidate top dollar is justified.
Harbaugh hasn't proven anything other than he can win with a stud QB leading his offense, which is one of the lead rebuttals of RR's accomplishments at West Virginia (if he didn't have White, he wouldn't have been as successful).
I don't think Harbaughs credentials are as impressive as everyone wants to make them out to be. With that said: Harbaugh >>> Hoke
Harbaugh hasn't proven anything other than he can win with a stud QB leading his offense, which is one of the lead rebuttals of RR's accomplishments at West Virginia (if he didn't have White, he wouldn't have been as successful).
And Carrol doesn't win without Leinart and Bush, and Mack Brown doesn't win without Vince Young and Colt Mcoy, and Meyer doesn't win without Tebow, and Nick Saban doesn't win without Matt Mauck and Ingram. Yup if you ask me they aren't that great of coaches
Well, he at least proved he could recruit a stud quarterback to a 1-11 team.
is encouraging him to go the NFL route. But maybe I heard it here, so take it for what it's worth.
I've been telling myself that the NFL interest helps to make it appear like there wasn't an agreement before the firing of RR. I'm holding out hope until I see JH being introduced at a 49er press conference.
As unrealistic as that likely is.
all three of my cars and throw in the change from the cup holder.
NFL market value is about the same as collegiate elite. Median is something like 2.5 million, with 5 or 6 coaches making over 5 (high of 8 million), and I think 8 or so coaches making under 2.
Obviously Michigan can't pay him $8 million, but offering something above 4 would be pretty good. A man can hope
I think John Clayton on ESPN reported that he turned down a $5.2 million/year offer from Michigan
its a blog .... just type please. Hoping that $$ isn't an issue at all.
Go Blue !
I googled "Jim Harbaugh agent" and came up with Jack Bechta. He also owns nationalfootballpost.com. I found an article from today that raises some questions.
According to multiple league sources with knowledge of the situation, the university has yet to formally contact Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh
Despite the comments from Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh that he doesn't expect the Wolverines to pursue his brother, the Wolverines are expected to make a late push to get involved with Harbaugh. At this point, though, that has yet to transpire.
It's just interesting that a site owned by his agent (if my google search is accurate) is making this claim.
If M hasn't even expressed interest. Mindblowing. Find that hard to believe.
I would guess this ends my small amount of hope for the end of the day.....damnit why did I stay up and check the sites one more time for a hint: Posted on ESPN - Supposedly Ross is offering in the $7 Million plus range.
Initially, sources said Harbaugh was cool to Peterson's approach on behalf of the Dolphins and Ross. But the Stanford coach's interest grew warmer in the 48 hours after his Cardinal soundly defeated Virginia Tech with Ross among the spectators at Dolphins Stadium, sources said. Wooten said he also was told that Harbaugh was not very receptive to the Dolphins' initial approach.
Furthermore, Ross had dialogue with University of Michigan officials to ensure that he would not be competing for Harbaugh's services with his alma mater, sources said. Ross, who is one of Michigan's largest benefactors, was assured by a Michigan official that Harbaugh was not reciprocating interest in the college's now-vacant head coaching position.
Chris Mortensen is ESPN's senior NFL analyst
*fingers crossed* c'mon major earthquake that makes the harbaugh family long to leave the west coast...
That means that I along with other Mgoblog readers that live in California will die or be seriously hurt.
I assure that your spirit will be remembered and your death not in vain.
For the team!
/Guy who is glad he just moved to Arizona
At least an earthquake would be quick. Arguably better than the repeated agonizing deaths We've all experienced since 1 Jan 2008.
I thought you were in Bolivia.
BKFinest that is currently residing in Bolivia, I believe.
After the Zettel fiasco.
Based on the responses to your comment, you can go to the great beyond comforted by the support of your compassionate friends.
if it meant JH would bring this program back, and stay for a successful 2 or so decades.
I have a bad feeling that this all isn't being decided by bags of money. not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing.
Care to explain?
His ego is too big for anything other than the SEC West, or the NFL? Michigan pissed in his cereal around the time he called them out for being a meat factory? Just a few guesses...
I'll wish him everything but good luck. In 4 short years he would have.
I thought I would be happy either way if harbaugh went to the 49ers or UM, bc I am a huge fan of both, but I realized that my passion for the wolverines tops all and am desperately hoping he goes blue
While it would be nice to see what he could do, I wouldn't wish the yorks on anyone.
True, but they are better than al davis
They are probably still aware of their surroundings.
Live in Bay Area, and have heard enough inside info painting them to be absolute buffoons.
Scuttlebutt aside, their results speak loudest. Jed wanted to promote Mike Singletary to HC. Great idea Jed!!! Saw that failure coming from miles away.
It is my firm belief that coaches do not save NFL teams. Good players save NFL teams. Nobody ever got fired coaching the Peyton Mannings or Tom Bradys of the league.
Coaches can kill teams but even that rarely happens.
definitely got fired coaching Peyton Manning.
DB openly discussed JH at the press conference while avoiding talk of other candidates and implying that discussions were essentially dead. Maybe he's pulling a play out of Lloyd's book by calling JH out in the press. Then again I'm probably reading too much into it like everything else.
I want John gruden.
the next person I hear talk about Gruden is going to get pistol whipped. Why the hell would he come to Michigan? He's turned down many colleges before and has a fine job now. Plus, he's an NFL guy. STOP!
And a lot of the others you've left lately, I've concluded that your avatar is really you.
On espn per mortensen and schefter
Can we start an mgocollection plate for a gold toilet? I'm in for a G
He wants money similar to Pete Caroll's $7M a year contract.
Give it to him. What's an extra $2M in the scheme of things?
If we are truly the Leaders and Best we should be willing to pay like it. Give him the money and unite the Wolverine Nation!
I was shocked to hear that we'd reportedly offered $5M a season. I want Harbaugh here, but man, if we need to absolutely break the bank, I don't know.
Did that number include assistants? I heard somthing along those lines on the radio stream after the presser, but I can't remember who said it. Can someone clarify?
U-M has over 425,000 living alumni. I'm sure there are least a couple of insanely rich boosters who would jack up their annual donations to the athletic department. Mary Sue Coleman will still eat.
his current place of employment Stanford. "Ahhh, Is this Tiger Woods?"
Half is still half, even if you're loaded. I don't think Tiger is going to be throwing the coin around any time soon.
Wants to donate money to Harbaugh to come coach his football team in South Beach.
The CEO/company comparison is flawed. The majority of the labor force in a football program is unpaid and the whole enterprise makes an INSANE amount of money, which is why a disproportionate amount goes to the headcoach.
Also, these comparisons ignore the laws of supply/demand and market economics. There are five hundred Fortune 500 CEOs out there and I wouldn't trust a single one of them to coach the football team.
It makes money, but keep in mind a couple things:
1) Football has to support 22 other varsity sports (men's basketball and ice hockey make a modest profit).
2) The expenses of the athletic department have been steadily increasing, with one of the biggest expenses being tuition. Bizarrely enough, our AD pays out-of-state tuition for all scholarship athletes, even those from in-state. Essentially, the AD subsidizes the U, not the other way around as is usually the case.
3) We're still $170M in debt from the stadium renovations. It's essential that we continue to be profitable on a year-to-year basis to be able to pay that down.
There are limits to how much we can pay. Maybe boosters will step up to the plate now - but will they always do so?
The expense for the stadium renovations is in the yearly budget. A profit doesn't pay for the stadium. The lights on the stadium were paid by the profits, since they were an unexpected expense. The stadium renovations have been essentially paid for through donations and pledges to future giving.
One of the few nice things that I will blog about Sailor Bill is that the finances of thenew stadium upgrades were paid for and financially the athletic dept is financially sound.
there is absolutely no way a college coach is getting that much money, but there are much better coaches we could get with 7 mil a year than harbaugh
somewhere around 30 mil...(6M/yr.)
This is making us look like the dumped girlfriend.
*thats already 6 months preggers.
and guaranteed in a post here that if he did, I'd take Brian and his GF out to dinner at the Chop House. At the time I was firmly anti-Harbaugh, but since then I've softened in my attitude towards him. Of course, now he ain't coming.
Who would have predicted three years ago that RR would be replaced by Brady Hoke? The world's turned upside-down.
are you doing so now?
who would have predicted Bill Stewart would last longer at WVU than RR would at UM.
who would have predicted Ron Zook would last longer at Illinois than RR would at UM.
Great, my 5000th point was just a test to see if I could post again
Haha I tried posting earlier and typed out a whole paragraph. Of course it was a waste of time at that point as my post was not able to go through.
lol..the things we'll do for mgoblog
Yeah I think some would call it addiction, but I think that is a strong word. I call it dedication.
That would have really sucked.
I prefer JH over anybody at this point. But I doubt he comes here. I know the rumors are just rumors but they make me feel scared about the possibility that he won't come here. I just hope that DB hurries and hires a new HC but makes sure he picks the right guy.
Logged in for the first time in two days!
Anyway, yes, I agree. It's a tough situation right now because:
1) We've left ourselves almost no time for a real search.
2) Even if we did have time to do a thorough search, there are very few attractive candidates beyond Harbaugh.
I don't think Hoke is necessarily a disaster, but he'd be about #10 on my list behind all the guys Brian mentioned, and none of THOSE guys would make me jump for joy. Patterson would probably be at the top of my list because of offensive continuity and bringing along Dick Bumpas and a consistently excellent defense.
Yeah I completely agree with you. Patterson would bring some much needed defensive help and allow us to run a similar offense. But like Brian said, he seems to be coaching at TCU until the end of time.
what about K.C. Keeler?
Why not Cam Cameron or Greg Mattison?
Both are highly regarded NFL coordinators with strong Michigan connections.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit
I can has posting again?!?!!?!
Edit: It Worked yayayayayay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have heard, through very reliable sources, things i would not believe if it was not for who has said it- and i am still not sure i believe it.
harbaugh to carolina because "write your own contract" and #1 draft choice andrew luck.
msc supposedly is not okay with matching money- therefore brandon's comment about how much mich pays (what msc wants) and what brandon believes (and why he pushed it's m football that leads our brand- he's pushing hard for the money because he is a business man and he knows how this works).- that seems plausible
but to make a choice based on an unproven draft choice (even one you know so well) that will take as long to develop as the entire m footbal program seems crazy.
i thought all rumors had carolina out.
oh well, a few restless nights and we all be okay- pass the xanax
Yeah posting! But seriously, why would JH want to come to an athletic department as (seemingly) dysfunctional as Michigan's?
....knows what he's doing....his press conference was done with extreme professionalism and business savy. He's doing a good job....let him continue to do it.
unlike other i think he handled the press conference very well and yes, he is not only a good businessman he is smart and i still trust him to pull this off.
You forgot the "/s"
I don't see why DB being a "businessman" or CEO automatically means he is a competent athletic director or one who should be given the benefit of the doubt. The headlines of the past decade are filled with the actions of terribles CEOs and out-right conmen (hello Skilling, Madoff, Ebbers, etc etc).
My take on this is that JH played DB for a fool in case he needed a fall-back from the NFL. With the 49er job landing in his lap JH left DB at the altar, pantless. Savvy businessman got taken for a serious ride.
I can forgive him that if he has done some planning and has B and C alternatives that he just needs a couple of days to get on board (anyone can be taken in by a good conartist). If we end up with Hoke he should go back to Dominos, not as the CEO but as a delivery boy
Hopefully, he Dale Dobback'ed in the interview....
I'd rather JH interview with or go to the NFL now rather than waiting until he was here for three or four seasons, then bolting for The League. I am not a huge fan of any other HC alternatives either, but if Jimmy is going to test the NFL waters, I will be happier if he does it right now.
I don't like coaching changes either, but one assumes that if JH came to UM and left for the NFL in 4 years... he had done a pretty bang up job for those 4 years... I don't see NFL suitors prying him away from a 5-7, 6-6, 8-4, 5-7 UM run, you know?
I am looking at it through Cardinal colored glasses, I guess, and thinking of how they are probably less than thrilled about their situation right now.
Might be slightly better to lose a coach to the pros than to another college program, as far as stepping-stone-status goes.
style offense. UM is not going to be good again for another 3 years at best. UM will have to take a chance in the hire, if JH doesn't come here (and really it is a stretch, he has a top 3 team he built from scratch and the NFL calling) if he comes here he has to rebuild again. We have to take a chance hire because, we are a rebuilding team again and established coaches with good teams will think hard about coming here and switching back to pro style and getting pounded on and off the field for 3 years and coaches wanting to keep the spread...probably wont be hired due to pressure, so who does that leave? I am not thrilled with Brians list and we probably couldn't get half of them even if we tried.
UM is not going to be good again for another 3 years
your statement is about as wrong as brian irresponsibly claiming "hoke=doom", or saying "shafer has to go". surely you'd have been one to say that this schembechler guy won't win for at least 3 years.
harbaugh if the coach, will win in short order, even with rod's players. hoke will too. and you better back hoke if he is the coach.
Is it because they are disciples of Bo? It took Hoke five - FIVE - years to win at Ball State. Harbaugh started at 4-8, 5-7, 8-5 at Stanford - eerily similar to Rich at Michigan, and in a weaker conference nonetheless.
BSU was Hoke's first job. Not only had he never been a HC before, he'd never even been a coordinator. So maybe he had to get his feet wet for a little while and learn on the job. Eventually, he did win big there. At his second stop, it only took him two seasons to turn them into a winner.
Harbaugh inherited a ruined program at Stanford. They had gone 1-11 the year before, and 16-40 the four previous seasons. In his first year he improved their record by three games and beat a top 5 team on the road. So he did effect improvement right away; he just started from rock bottom. He won't here.
Are you seriously comparing Harbaugh's third year at Stanford, in which they finished ranked 19 in the country, with this year's Michigan team?
I thought he was comparing this year's Michigan team to the 1-11 Stanford team.
I disagree. Whoever comes in is getting a young team that is primed and ready to go. Give them a good defensive scheme and keep the offense about the same and you are looking at championships.
I'd prefer to serve his deliciously nutritious, meaty head to the team.
I thought no thought could be worse than Hoke or Miles. Thank you for giving me something to feel good about this impending disaster.
Have we lost our ever lovin mind?
I would rather kill my grandmother than have Bret Bielema as our head coach.
And Dantonio can be our DC. Hey, he coached the '02 OSU defense!
This will not end well for us.
Yeah. I am afraid you are right. The moment to get the guy we needed has passed.
it's not like there was a day & time that JH would have said yes, and DB didn't act.
If the guy wants to be in the NFL, he's going and would have gone all along.
There's no "Help Wanted" posting at umich.edu employment. There is, however, still a posting for Chief Compliance Officer Athletics.
OMG! DB fired Judy Van Horn without a replacement already on the hook?! Press the panic button!
though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death... Jim Harbaugh's in freakin' San Fransisco interviewing with the 49ers. WTF.
-- Six Zero, Chapter 4:15
Harbaugh-49ers Meeting Today
I don't think that rule applies when we have no coach.
It does if there's no chance that he will be the next one...
If I say that, I can't be dissapointed, right?
My biggest fear is that we're going to end up hiring our version of Derek Dooley.
Hurricane Harbaugh is on the horizon ...
OK. So we have to be forward-looking here. Hoke has turned around two programs, won SDSU's first bowl game in over 40 years, and coached on the Michigan defensive line when they went 5-3 against Ohio State. He understands the Big 10, and has always wanted this job.
As this is January, however, I can't help look backwards as well. Did Harbaugh waffle on Michigan, or did Brandon vastly overplay his hand in assuming Harbaugh would come if offered the job?
The program will move forward after this, but will be haunted by the same type of questions that remained in the wake of the last coaching search. The one person uniquely situated to have learned from the last search, former Regent and current AD David Brandon, apparently did not. I hope we, as a fan base, learn from last time and get behind the next guy, whether he is Hoke, Les Miles, or Lloyd Brady.
I am not thrilled at the prospect of Hoke, honestly, but it really wouldn't be the end of the world. The biggest positive about him is that he seems to REALLY want this job, and hopefully this drive will lead to a lot of motivation. Either way, you are correct that we need unity, unlike what we got last time. Whoever is our coach, we can't do to him what our base did to RichRod. It will only spell more disaster. I for one will fully support whoever our coach may be. Above all, we just need to win. Winning cures all.
I'm all in for sure!
Just speculation on my part but I'm assuming JH was the first choice, he said no or things didn't work out. Yesterday DB and RR meet, DB tells RR that if he's the coach next year the defensive staff needs to be revamped. RR says like sleep on it. Today, RR says no.
Just speculation, but I have to wonder if DB knew all along he wasn't going to bring RR back next year why not just give him the notice yesterday. The only thing that pops into my head as to why RR didn't get let go yesterday was that he had the option to stay if he hired a new defensive staff.
My theory is that DB wanted to float Hoke's name as a trial balloon before the press conference. Someone else's theory (saw it on another thread, can't remember poster) said that it may have been very emotional, and DB & RR wanted to have some time before addressing media & players.
The lawyers were working out every detail so we don't have "WV Exit 2011".
after listening to the presser the guy is very calculating, he sounds in control and actually calmed me down. I understand why he has handled things the way he and its makes sense. Many comments make me think the guy is a master negotiator. I'm going with the bet he makes a great hire. Please.
Yesterday, and earlier today, I've been irate, annoyed, and frustrated. I still have some of those feelings.
But recruiting cycle aside, how could we have SECURED a top-flight coach by firing RR in December? Didn't we lose our coach around that time in 2007? How'd that work out for us? DB played this coy from jump street, so I have to trust he's going to do what's best for our program. As much as I want to paint him this way (if only as a coping mechanism at this point), I'm sorry, but the guy just doesn't strike me as the bumbling, nerdy, useless AD that was Bill Martin.
A Florida newspaper is reporting that "Harbaugh's camp is reportedly demanding a salary north of $6 million a season." Daaaaang...
Hell, at this point, let's pay 'em it.
I tried a lengthy post after finally getting logged in after 100+ tries only to have it bounce me back out. So, I will limit myself to saying - as a test - that DB was wearing a truly ugly tie.
Yeah, what was the color, burlap-sack gold?
Some people have suggested that the 49ers ownership is a major problem. If so, maybe JH will look at what has happened to other coaches with good resumes - both college and pro - who have tried to make a go of it with Dan Snyder here in Washington. It has been ugly.
Many say that JH has a personality better suited to college ball than the pros. Steve Spurrier may be an apt comparison. When Spurrier, with a longer and better history than JH, tried it at the Redskins, it didn't work out so well for him, and Spurrier, like JH, was a rah-rah sort of guy. That rah-rah works well with 18-21 year old kids but not so well with guys who are making even more than even the most highly paid head coaches.
If SF is willing to pay the $6M that I read somewhere, and DB were willing to go the $5.2M mentioned during the press conference, it would seem to me as if the $5.2M in AA would go farther than the $6M in SF. Besides, in AA he would be the returning hero, and that would last a while. In SF, he would inherit a lackluster, underperforming team with no QB. Of course, the conference is so weak that he might make it to the playoffs next year by going 8-8, but St. Louis has some good young players who might be getting better and the SF fans would not be happy with 8-8 anyway. At least with us, he has a good offense coming back and a young but pretty experienced defense. He has a much better chance for immediate success here than there, particularly if he can coach up the defense.
JH has said so himself. From an interview he did a yr and a half ago:
Another interesting response came when Harbaugh was asked about his potential future as an NFL head coach. While one would expect Harbaugh to say he will stay at Stanford forever, I was surprised by the way he denied his ability to coach in the NFL. “I consider myself a collegiate coach.” He followed that up later with “I think I am a college guy.”
He was quoted talking about the purity of non-scholarship athletics when he was at USD too. It didn't stop him from taking the Stanford job for more money and a higher profile. All this (and his comments about Stanford pre-Orange Bowl) shows is that he has a history of saying, "I like the job I currently have."
You're probably right. I wasn't trying to suggest he'd stay college anyway - just pointing to past statements. At this point there looks to be too much NFL smoke (i.e., $$$$) for there not to be a change. Though, I do think if for some reason none of the NFL jobs feel 'right' for him, he'll prolly end up back at Stanford.
Anyone else find it odd that a guy with no NFL head coaching experience is somehow the most desired commodity in the league and is apparently on the verge of making Bellichick money? I know he's a former player and from a coaching family, but still . . . I'm not sure why NFL franchises think he's a sure thing. I think he may be better-suited for the college game.
You are not alone. I don't think his skill set will translate into the NFL. His motivational powers will mean little -- just ask Mike Singletary.
Everything coming out now seems to indicate Carolina, Dolphins, Broncos, etc. aren't really pursuing as much as the hot-name rumor mill made it sound like.
If Brandon is serious about offering top dollar ($5+ million) and the only competition is the Niners I like the chances of landing him a lot more than I did a few days ago with the prospect of an NFL bidding war and Michigan's typical low-ball approach.
Stoops made as the highest paid FB coach in 2009. at a 50% raise, we could probably get Bob Stoops.
Am I the only one who keeps having Jim Herrmann nightmares every time I see the initials "JH" posted anywhere?
1. He has an NFL staff that he has to convince a college job is his choice, if that is what he perfers. I know they can bolt, but, there is that
2. Right now he is running a great pro "prep" offense. I know it seems complex, but, it hinges on the simple part of executing. The game with in the game movements and such pray on the college athlete, but, wouldn't be such an advantage in the pro's.
The point is, he is at another level for the college game scheme and coaching wise. But, what makes him a great college coach is his personality in recruiting and motivation.
I say tack on a Harbaugh tax to each ticket that goes directly to him. 110,000 would be more then happy to pitch in each game.
Jim is definitely my first choice, but if Brady Hoke is hired, we must be more welcoming than with RR. The last thing we need is upset termites screwing things up again. He's said this is his dream job and I believe he would treat it as such.
edit: and all of SDSU's losses this year were to Missouri, BYU, TCU, and Utah and they were all under 5 points. That's not too shabby if you ask me.
I don't think he'll get a bad reception, at least once the season starts. My worry is that he is our Charlie Weis, the unproven head coach that has immediate success with the program another coach was building up before getting canned after just three seasons, receives universal praise from an uninformed fanbase/administration before settling in to mediocrity or worse in year three and beyond.
I hope he isn't hired. If he is, then I really hope I'm wrong.
I don't think it's fair to compare him to Weis. Weis was an offensive coordinator with no HC experience, and no one had any idea how he'd handle the other side of the ball. (As it turned out, he handled it very poorly.) Hoke has an actual HC track record. It didn't look so good from 2003-06, but it looks better after that. I think it's plausible that he needed some time to learn on the job, but has now gotten this head coaching thing pretty much figured out. I was impressed with his team in the bowl game.
And I really hope he emphasizes defense first thing when he gets here. OSU gets away with so many near screw ups because they have such great defense. I really wish we could see that here, just a better offense than theirs too.
Weis has a winning record as a college head coach. Unfair comparison.
Part of Weiss's problem was him rubbing people the wrong way (not just opposing fans, but Alumni and such). Not being likable, basically. Which (maybe unfortunately) matters in college. Everyone around the University who's worked with Hoke loves him. And I can only assume that the people he interacts with at the U will feel the same way (Alumni, staff, fans). The average fan on the street will freak. But he might get the important one's with $$$ behind him. Might prevent some of the problems ND had. Assuming we win games, of course.
He got fired because the program he built couldn't get over the hump, but at least he got a chance. His resume is also a hell of a lot better than Hoke's.
Assistant coaching career: Weis has two strong stints as an offensive coordinator in the NFL while Hoke was a d-line coach at Michigan and Oregon State.
Head coaching career: Both inherited college teams from Indiana that won 5 and 6 games the two years before they arrived (eery similarities continue). Weis went 35-27 and left his successor a blue-chip junior QB (Crist), a stud WR (Floyd), a stud TE (Rudolph), a stud LB (T'eo) and the team went 8-5. Hoke went 34-38 and left his successor (Stan Parrish) a team that won 2 games. Both have one bowl win against a less talented non AQ opponent, though Hoke got to play his game in his home stadium whereas Weis had to travel to Hawaii to play Hawaii.
This guy has done absolutely nothing to justify giving him the head coaching job at Michigan, much less dumping Rodriguez to get him. If Brandon hires him I will be disgusted that the worst type of cronyism that has hampered the program in the past is now run rampant in our new athletic department.
Luckily I don't think it is going to happen.
started out over the hump and then got stuck on one. Put his last three years as his first three years, and he is facing the same music RR faced.
He bought or 'got a chance' because he STARTED out his ND stint with two BCS bowls and a 9 and 10 win seasons. RR does that his first two years, he's probably got five more.
Weis is a humpback whale.
Hoke's career reminds me more of Dantonio's than Weis's? Well besides the smugness and douchebaggery.
Sounds like Harbaugh to 49ers is a done deal. http://twitter.com/#!/49ersnews
Saw that. Schefter, however, said the meeting is still going on (as of his tweet - which was after 49ernews' tweet). But seems like it'd over.
No word yet from the Chronicle
He hand picked the GM in San Fran. Best guess is that they are laying out the groundwork for bringing in a staff and finishing up the money issue.
Most thought Lombardi would have been Harbaugh's preferred GM given their past working relationship
Is it opposite day? By all accounts, Harbaugh is underwhelmed by the new SF GM.
stays in California, my fingers are crossed.
What the hell is the matter with you?
I think its time to get ready for Hokeamania in AA. Not thrilled if that is the choice. But at a minimum we are the guys destination job and if he is able to pull it off he will be our coach for the next 15 years.
Regardless, Brandon needs to take care of this ASAP as in the next week. I think if Hoke is the pick we will know in a day or so. Recruiting is shot already unless its a big splash name coming in.
Also, maybe there are some NFL coaches/assistants that are still playing that he is waiting on? Seems like someone from the Athletic Department indicated that there was interest from some NFL people that people would not expect a month ago.
John Harbaugh??? ;) Kidding.
Haha, if John Harbaugh became our coach I would literally die laughing.
I realize there's a lot of emotional investment in JH right now, but think of him as an athlete who could choose to declare early for the draft. If he's projected to be a top pick and make a lot of money, are you going to begrudge him his decision to go pro?
Football is too unpredictable. If he has this kind of opportunity, I say let him go and wish him well.
If he were just another alum and not a candidate for a coaching gig here, I think most of us would be rooting for him to be successful.
I'm still very much confused...
Why NOT EVEN CONSIDER LES MILES?
His name and success alone will translate to recruiting. Plus he can better utilize the talent we have.
And don't give me the expensive buyout bullshit because I've heard numerous times its at $1.25 million and I can almost guarantee Michigan boosters will gladly cover it.
I heard the buyout, or read, was at something like 12 million. It's public record down there so someone should be able to find out. Either way, I highly doubt Miles would come to Michigan.
Pretty sure it's in the area of 1-2 million, not 12 million....
He has only one buyout clause in his contract. It's for UM and it's $1.25M. You can read through the whole thing here: http://i.usatoday.net/sports/graphics/2009/coaches-contracts/pdf/miles_lsu.pdf
The oversigning. Kicking kids out after they've moves into dorms. Questionable game management. Shady recruiting rumors. Rumors of personal conduct when on the staff. Would keep the Athletic Department fractured, if not the fanbase.
namely, just rumors? Really?
I have been a huge Harbaugh proponent, but I only want him here if he wants to come here. I don't want to have to entice him with bigger $$ than the 49'ers are willing to pay him. The whole reason why I was in his corner is because of his passion for college football. If it ever were to become a bidding war with a pro team, then we're just another money-driven soulless team. I'm all for paying him a lot, but only if his heart is here.
Fans just need to wake up and realize that JH IS NOT COMING TO AA!!! It's the Herbie Curse....or whatever u want to call it. Just need to move on with whoever we can get
not very likely that it is real information.
Just in from Mortensen:
Doesn't Jimmy want one too?
Think I'll pitch my Fanvision
ESPN is also reporting that Ross called U of M to make sure he would not be messing up negotiations with Harbaugh. I think we can finally put the Harbaugh to Michigan hopes to rest. Ross was told Harbaugh does not want to come to Michigan and he jumped on a plane shortly after.
The troubling detail about that report is that the supposed source of what JH wants was the Michigan athletic department? It makes more sense if it was the athletic department saying what it wants (ie, deciding not to pursue JH because of price, other concerns, whatever).
but he didn't want to come. You can't blame Brandon for not signing him if he simply didn't want to come. Enough w/ the blaming of DB - Harbaugh wasn't coming yesterday, last week, or a month ago. He wants the NFL, and everyone gets what they want in life.
Second is to think I understand. He's had his time here, done his thing. That can't be erased. Needs to move to the next level if that's what he sees the NFL being.
We'll find the right guy
And I'll keep my Fanvision
not maize and blue. He would have committed to UM the day after the Orange Bowl if he cared about the program. At this point I'll be happy with Matt Millen if we stop talking about JH :)
Jim will realize he made a mistake after he flunks out of the NFL with the crap team in San Fran. Smith sucks at QB, Gore gets hurt every year, and the defense stinks (killed my fantasy team).
This is one of the first stories I've seen that indicates Harbaugh isn't an option anymore for Michigan.
Chris Mortensen reports:
"Furthermore, Ross had dialogue with University of Michigan officials to ensure that he would not be competing for Harbaugh's services with his alma mater, sources said. Ross, who is one of Michigan's largest benefactors, was assured by a Michigan official that Harbaugh was not reciprocating interest in the college's now-vacant head coaching position."
If reports coming from 49er boards are any indication, we might want to steer clear of Harbaugh anyway. Unconfirmed board ramblings for the most part but hearing that Harbaugh wants Pete Carroll like money (6.5-7 million a year range).
There's also this from the Pro Football Talk article on the Dolphins and Harbaugh:
"We’re told that Harbaugh wants $7 million per year, and there’s a belief in league circles that Harbaugh leaked word that Michigan offered him $5.2 million per year in order to drive up his price at the NFL level."
Hm. If that's true, it's very interesting, to say the least.
contribution to Brandon's employer ($100 million) and has been appointed to MSC's advisory group for intercollegiate athletics? Wonder how that conversation went. It could have been written by Mario Puzo.
I don't believe any public statement at this point. Any chance Ross is recruiting for Mich.? He buys us a stadium but then tries to take JH away? Doesn't make sense. Nor does the fact that he's flying to see JH, and not the other way around. Other interesting details from the ESPN article: A Dolphins spokesperson claimed to be unaware of any meeting, and JH showed no interest in Dolphins job until the other day (after presumably thinking about his options all season). Could Ross be saying, come to UM and here's what I'll do for you?
There may be some hope. If Miami does not wow him, he may reconsider Michigan. The 49ers did not want to offer the money needed to secure his services. So if Miami fails, he may come to Michigan, or just stay at Stanford. It would be nice if Harbaugh himself made a statement.
The answers are coming
boys out in ninernation are freaking out, saying that niners are now out of it and the dolphins are offering more money.
He's too good to happen to the Yorks.
That guy at 49ers Insider definitely jumped the gun... the supposed post-meeting handshakes with an implied offer from Jed York don't mean shit.
Gruden would be a slash.....
This is all just Ross' conspiracy. He outbids the Niners for JH. The niners hire someone else and Ross decides hes happy with Sporano (who still hasnt been fired, by the way) and then JH is left with little choice but to come home to AA because all of this happens after the 15th and Luck has declared for the NFL draft already, leaving no reason to return to Stanford.
There's some merit to this thought in one way or another. I find it very strange that Ross would engage in talks with a potential head coach and stranger still that Harbaugh would reciprocate when there's still an active head coach on staff. Isn't there some sort of unwritten code of ethics that says you don't interview for a coaching job that hasn't yet been opened up?
Stephen Ross has his frickin' name on U of M's B-School. Is he really going to battle his beloved alma mater for the people's choice? Ross is working for Brandon me thinks.
There are a few holes in that logic. One, Ross called and the school said persure Harbaugh, he is not coming here. Two, if he was working for DB, why bring along the other 2 men to help? They have no ties to Michigan. And it's not an official interview. They are there to gague his interest. To hire Harbaugh, Miami has to fire Sporano and then go along with interviews of at least one minority to follow league rules. And third, there is NO way the U of M will pay this coach between 7-8 million that the Dolphins and Ross will pay him. And we all seem to forget, Harbaugh has a job, in college, that he loves. If he does not go pro, we may have a problem getting him to leave Stanford.
Maybe this is drinking the cool aid or just wishful thinking. But after hearing a month or so ago that people were contacting the Athletic Department about interest in the job that we would not even be thinking of and after hearing Brandon on the Huge show yesterday. It really seems like Brandon has a couple of coaches in mind that we may not even be thinking about that have expressed interest through back channels. I have no idea who, but he really sounds like he has an ace or two up his sleeve. Of course it could be all bravado and he is actually scrambling right now (also very plausible).
I'm with most people, Harbaugh is the perfect fit for Michigan right now with the state of the program. He would unite pretty much everyone in the fanbase and within. I don't know if he would have been the "saviour" everyone thinks. But there is no question he would have injected positive energy, intensity and momentum into the program right away. Which is what we need right now. Would he have sustained that? Probably, but that NFL cloud would always be hanging there (remember Sabin at MSU every year?). From all the rumors and what Brandon basically has said you can read between the lines that Harbaugh is not really interested in coming here. I do not want a coach that does not really want to be there or is just using Michigan as a stepping stone unless he brings us a couple of MNC's and has a great assistant ready to take over for him when he bolts (Loefler?). But it seems like he is using his alma mater as leverage to get a better NFL deal and thats pretty crappy if that is in fact what is happening.
Hopefully Brandon puts us out of our misery soon and we are pleasantly surprised. But it will probably be Brady Hoke and I will just feel meh about it. Not great, not completely awful either. I think if Hoke gets it I will feel better if he gets some great assistants in with him and he retains a good portion of the current players. Whoever it is, I will support them and give them a chance as a fan.