Hoping we don't lose Hand and/or McDowell based on our recent performances. Defense has looked good, however, and Mattison is still a top notch coordinator with a pedigree, despite the board meltdowns about us getting beat by freshmen QBs and not blitzing. Hopefully we can right the ship and not lose any of our current haul, but the future guys definitely must be wondering what is going on in Ann Arbor, especially guys on the offensive side of the ball(Damien Harris and Campbell for 2015-our two biggest pickups on offense.)
Hand and McDowell, 2015 Recruits
We'll know in a few days (about Hand). No sense in worrying about it now.
It makes a lot of sense to worry about something in which you have no control.
Really, this is one of the central tragedies and absurdities about being a sports fan, no?
I somewhat hope we do lose them just so they don't waste their talent at a MAC level operation. Of course that's just me being really upset at this disaster of a season.
I don't think Mattison would waste their talent, Borges on the other hand...
Not that I am necessarily defending the coaching staff after these last two debacles. But, you do realize that Bo was a MAC coach before coming to Michigan, right? Also, Urban Meyer was a MAC coach before going to Utah, UF, and eventually OSU. I don't think Hoke is the problem, I like him and I think he's going to be a great coach for Michigan. I think Al Borges is a moron. I defended him a lot, and I am done with him. After he called those two runs after the muffed punt recovery, he lost all of my support.
a lot of great coaches come from the MaC it doesn't make them MaC level coaches.When we where talking about fire Richrod we had a coach in mind but wiffed on harbaugh and hired Hoke
Totally we whiffed on Harbaugh I'm sure it had nothing to do with the 49ers offering him 7 mil a year or anything total whiff job.
Accept he makes 5 bills. Nonetheless, Harbaugh wasn't coming because of every reason you see when his teams take the field in Subdays. He wasn't long for the tooth for CFB.
We suck. Bottom line, deal with it. We are never going to amount to shit if we bottom feed. Hey Coach Hoke, we want it all,not just a piece of supposed tradition and 30 year hangover from the "glory days". Whatever...
This isn't 1969. What Bo did, won't work now generally. That way of thinking, it won't work now either. I get that a lot of you are old timers and grew up with "Bo." But those days are long gone. If we want to live in 1969, let's stay the course. If we want to be relevant, let's take a look at other successful programs in the 21st century.
Stanford, too, of course.
No football philosophy is necessarily bad. The issue is just implementing it correctly.
And Alabama. And LSU. A lot of top notch programs play relatively traditional run first offenses and win with defense. I don't think that approach has been proven obsolete yet. But hey, Oregon rolls up 60 on bad opponents and wears the coolest stuff Nike profits can buy.
I would love that bitter looking man if he was my coach. He is definitely that personality.
I'm totally with you on those. I don't know if that's on Borges or if it came from on high, but I thought that signaled a willingness to settle for a field goal and hope the defense could hold the rest of the game.
Campbell and Harris are 2015 recruits.
Have those two never lost a game before?
Let's hope that's not the theory Hand uses to choose his college. Can't say I agree with the post below that our defense played well - our defense hasn't stopped anyone when it's really mattered since September.
At least they can tell all positions are open- or should be...
I don't know that I'd wanna come to Michigan. Outside of Lewan, what high draft prospects have we produced since Carr left?
Outside of Lewan, what talent have we had to potentially be drafted high? It's not like Woodley, Graham, or Woodson have been on the roster the past few years.
If I'm a 5 star recruit, I'm looking at what school gives 5 star recruits the best chance to succeed, especially at my position.
If you're only looking at other 5-star prospects and how they've developed at Michigan, that makes for a very small sample size.
I'm hopeful that Borges and Funk go, which leaves our defensive recruits alone. I do worry about losing our stud WR recruits though.
I am sorry, but Jackson better give his retirement notice as well. Coach Heck, IMHO, is quite good. Sans Coach Heck, the entire offensive staff is gone.
The best defense is a good offense. I believe that. We can't do shit on the online and are RBs are woefully under coached.
Our' mea culpa
Is an awful coach. Just look at the M RBs in the NFL over the last 15 years.
I have no idea why he is still employed.
Also in SE Michigan, where he has years of ties to HS programs.
Of course, it's not that hard for a Michigan coach to establish ties to SE Michigan - our backyard.
The drying up of the Louisiana pipeline is a problem. That used to be his trump card. Jackson used to bring in about a guy a year from there, including some high-quality talents like James Hall and Anthony Thomas. Now, I think Dileo is our last one from there, and he's a senior.
I like Freddie J, but I think it's time. I'd love to see Wheatley come back.
Yep. Ten years ago Chris Perry won the Doak Walker, and then he left a smoldering crater that was filled with.... er... Mike Hart.
Maybe we should say the last six years.
What do the Michigan running backs in the NFL have to do with Fred Jackson? In the last fifteen years, Michigan produced the top two rushers in Michigan history (Anthony Thomas, Mike Hart), a first round draft pick (Chris Perry), and some other solid performers (Brandon Minor, Carlos Brown). Toussaint is actually a pretty good runner, but there's nowhere to run. There have been a few lean years (the Vincent Smith era, for example, and 2012-2013) but overall, the running backs have been good.
But it's true that the position has not been as productive in recent years. Toussaint in 2011 is our only tailback 1,000-yard rusher since Hart six years ago. It's not all the fault of the backs, but it feels like we don't have the kind of talent we used to, when it seemed like the Michigan starting tailback would get preseason Heisman mention a lot of times. Ohio and Wisconsin seem to have more productive backs than us every year now. Are they just out-recruiting us?
I won't say that the tailback production hasn't been disappointing at times in recent years, but not all of that is on coaching. Running back is a position that can be played naturally without a ton of attention to technique. Plus, Jackson isn't necessarily in charge of whom Michigan recruits and how hard they go after each player.
However, the game has changed (or at least Michigan's philosophy has). It's true that Michigan running backs used to get a lot of hype and yards to back up that hype, but for a few years, Michigan's best "running back" was Denard Robinson. That doesn't mean Michigan lacked a back with 1,000-yard capabilities the entire time.
we are being led to believe that fitz is our best RB pass blocker. i don't think i've seen a Mich RB miss so many blocks on a consistent basis...ever. and he's our best? somewhere these guys aren't being taught properly.
I'd love to have Vincent Smith blocking in the backfield the last few games...
It's great we have Campbell and Harris coming in...but honestly, if we continue to have the same playcalling, does it even matter what the quality of our offensive players are? It's not like with a taller/faster receiver or a faster/shiftier RB we would've scored more...our playcalling didn't set ANYONE up for success, regardless of skill level. I mean, Harris might've gained 3 yds instead of 1 yd or Campbell might've caught another pass, but at this point, our offensive issues run so deep that a couple of playmakers aren't gonna change anything...
Totally disagree. Most important is the development of the OL. For all the acclaims Hoke got for taking in highly rated OL, none of them has panned out. If the OL remains in shambles next year, Hoke's job will be on the line!
Our O line players were all great in high school. While maybe we can only expect so much out of them, we can certainly expect better than what we are getting right now. It's how they are being (or not being) developed. It's turning into a cancer.
Damn those redshirt freshman offensive line who haven't yet learned to dominate! Damn them, I say!
Are you surprised by the lack of even slight progression by the interior line? I know maturity will help in the end but in the present shouldn't we see more?
Not really. The OL as it is has only been this way for a few games. That's not much time to develop chemistry and adjust to the speed of the game.
What surprises me is the lack of development of Taylor Lewan and Michael Schofield, both of whom have not improved. I think the last straw for me was when Randy Gregory blitzed from the linebacker position, Schofield slid to the left...and then just allowed Gregory to run right past him for a sack.
No! Be respectable speed bumps? Uh, Yeah! Fall camp and 8 games later and we cant consistently slow down equivalently rated players with a year or two worth of experience and be serviceable.
WE CANT RUN THE BALL.
WE CANT RUN THE BALL.
UNTIL WE CAN WE ARE FUCKED.
UNTIL WE CAN WE ARE FUCKED.
EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.
EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.
EVEN YOUR AUNT LINDA.
EVEN YOUR AUNT LINDA.
Is she fat and does she sit in sec 4?
Call me a heretic, but what really IS Mattison's track record and why does he always get a free pass here? What is the longest he has stayed at a championship program? What were his best defenses that he was solely in charge of?
However if the offense was even slightly below average I wouldn't even be thinking about the defense giving up game winning drives against PSU and Nebraska. or getting pushed around by Akron..
It amazes me that people watch Michigan play, get negative yards rushing two weeks in a row and then complain about Mattison.
Do you really, REALLY think that the defense is the weak point of this squad?
He gets a "free pass" because his defenses are always pretty good. Maybe not to the level of, say, a Pat Narduzzi-led defense, but not many teams can manage that...
It's hard to be that good while playing Fr and So and only get 3 or 4 plays to rest between series.
They get better during the year, and will get better next year as well. They've had some letdowns, and need to get better in order to win games when the O cannot. But they've carried the team plenty this year. The difference between the D and the offense is that we can assume the D will be better next year. It's harder to assume that for the offense.
If I was Hand and intending to go to Tuscaloosa, I'd be there tonight.
Encouraging to me that he's in Florida instead.
Get dumpted on by Vandy.
is putting school first like he says but he's a kid, doubt he means it but he is welcome to prove me wrong.
This board will explode. Can't say id blame him for picking Bama. We fucking suck.
SEC gets most of their players from down south. Michigan sticks to the Midwest and a few select guys out east. And we all know that they are just better football players in the south. And more of them.
So no, Hoke will never have Michigan playing like a top SEC team
and Alabama and LSU have been oversiging for YEARS. Yes, good coaching, blah, blah, blah...but they each have squeezed in an entire extra class every three years.
I think you and I basically said the same thing in the other thread regarding the disparity between us and the SEC watching that Bama game.
Or the NCAA needs to grow a pair and start giving out real penalties to rules violators again. Alabama has been on probation something like 3 times in 20 years. If they go on again, hammer them.
Can't tell if your trying to be sarcastic, but all of that is true. Unfortunately...
It's sad that the actual season is what could possibly be ruining the recruiting progress. So much promise yet so much fail. For whatever reason Borges is resigned to slamming Fitz into negativity, having Gardner play action into doom, and running max protect that is on film and thus worthless now. Borges is a fail, everyone can see it and that includes opposing defensive coordinators. If Hoke doesn't realize this it will be a long couple of years.