Hagerup apologizes, admits it was weed.

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December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 AM
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Hagerup apologizes, admits it was weed.

He delivers a sincere apology for his mistake and it really sounds like he hopes to be back next year.  I really like the part where he describes the coaches as nice people who aren't yelling at him but rather concerened with his well being.  That's one of many signs of how great a coach Hoke is. 

 

"Without offering details, Hagerup said he lapsed into "old habits" and blames no one but himself. He was suspended the first four games of 2011 for violating team rules, and missed the 2010 Ohio State game for the same reason."

 

"Hagerup has been meeting with the staff and said he hopes to meet again with Hoke today. Hagerup added there has been no "screaming or yelling" from the coaches, and they have had good discussions."

 

Link: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121218/SPORTS0201/212180333/1131/sports0201/Suspended-Michigan-punter-Will-Hagerup-apologizes-misstep

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December 18th, 2012 at 2:40 AM | Link (Score:4 Normal)
BlueReign
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Link

December 18th, 2012 at 3:05 AM | Maybe shorten the title to (Score:1 Normal)
DKohn81
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Maybe shorten the title to avoid trolls clicking.

December 18th, 2012 at 3:36 AM | Will, it's OK man. (Score:5 Normal)
markusr2007
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To err is human. To forgive, divine...

December 18th, 2012 at 9:35 AM | And to keep getting caught (Score:5 Normal)
The Pope
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And to keep getting caught over and over again is idiotic.

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December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 AM | short term memory loss... (Score:5 Normal)
SamIam
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maybe he forgot he wasn't suppose to be doing it.

December 18th, 2012 at 4:17 PM | Wow - (Score:3 Normal)
ND Sux
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"And to keep getting caught over and over again is idiotic."

Yeah, as if "getting caught" is the problem, not the actual behavior.  Sheesh.

"I promise you we would have walked to the University of Michigan."  - Brady Hoke

December 18th, 2012 at 3:53 AM | He's just dumb... 3 times, (Score:5 Normal)
flysociety3
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He's just dumb... 3 times, the same stuff... No ill will toward him, but just dumber than a box of rocks

December 18th, 2012 at 4:18 AM | If by "box of rocks" you mean (Score:-1 Overrated)
December 18th, 2012 at 4:22 AM | No I mean as in the inanimate (Score:5 Normal)
flysociety3
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No I mean as in the inanimate objects commonly found on the ground. Risking your full ride at this school and the standing on the team 3 times is just dumb...

Not saying he's a bad person at all... Judgment just lacking

December 18th, 2012 at 4:26 AM | I agree. ... But not nearly (Score:-1 Normal)
December 18th, 2012 at 4:37 AM | It's not as if he wasn't (Score:5 Normal)
anwonadell
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It's not as if he wasn't aware of the rules. By agreeing to participate, he agrees to comply with all team and athletic department rules as well. Whatever the merit of the rule, it was a rule he agreed to follow. Pledging one thing and doing another is a real issue.

December 18th, 2012 at 6:47 AM | Your opinion on marijuana (Score:5 Normal)
rockediny
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Your opinion on marijuana does not matter. He is an athlete on a full scholarship to the University of Michigan. He knows the rules and the standard he is held to. He violated those rules and standards not once or twice, but THREE times. Also there is the small matter of breaking the law. That IS dumber than the fact that he has to worry about it.

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December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 AM | The dumbest thing (Score:4 Normal)
TaiStreetsMyHero
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Is getting caught three times. You have to act like a dumb sob to be caught smoking weed by authority figures on three separate occasions in a town like Ann Arbor.

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December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 AM | I assume it would be urine (Score:5 Normal)
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I assume it would be urine tests that resulted in being caught.

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December 18th, 2012 at 12:23 PM | I have absolutely no problem (Score:5 Normal)
jmblue
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I have absolutely no problem with marijuana use being a violation of team rules, and not just because it's illegal (though that in itself is a legitimate reason).  It's established that marijuana use can be significantly detrimental to short-term memory for things such as verbal recall and number sequences, for a good 24 hours or more after use.  This link offers more detail:

http://www.idmu.co.uk/canmem.htm

People making the "But regular students can get high and still do okay" argument miss the point. These aren't regular students. They have a de facto job that takes up 30-40 hours of their week, a job that requires a ton of study and memorization on its own.

In a sport in which players have to memorize a lengthy playbook and quickly recall plays in a span of seconds when called in from the sideline, and where they are expected to memorize their opponents' tendencies from film study, anything that can impair short-term memory can hurt performance.   Not to mention that these guys have to take a full courseload of college classes and need to be able to perform there, too.  A lot of them are mediocre students to begin with; using a substance that affects their memory doesn't help. 

 

 

December 18th, 2012 at 12:54 PM | Protip when you link to (Score:2 Normal)
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Protip when you link to something about science make sure it's the actual report and not an article about it. Then people can read the report and look at how tests were conducted and what the errors were.

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December 18th, 2012 at 12:21 PM | My guess (Score:5 Normal)
BiSB
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Even if weed was perfectly legal, it would probably still be against team rules. 

Also, your argument is ridiculous. You can't give someone a pass (or even a partial pass) because the rule in place is dumb. Otherwise, you have to give Terrelle Pryor way more of a pass than you probably do now.

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December 18th, 2012 at 3:39 PM | Not a single one of you has (Score:1 Trolling)
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Not a single one of you (ok, maybe one) has contradicted what I said (with your actual arguments) as far as I can tell.

"My argument" seems to be an assumed one.

Edit- jmblue being the exception... And wrong.

December 18th, 2012 at 4:24 PM | I get that you're a pothead (Score:3 Normal)
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and you don't like the rule, but who cares what you think?

It's illegal and against team rules.  End of story, Kelly Baraka. 

 

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December 18th, 2012 at 9:49 PM | I find the term "pothead" (Score:1 Normal)
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I find the term "pothead" offensive.  Do we have a term like this for people that are occasional drinkers or who have to have a cup of coffee every morning?  Your point loses it's effectivness when you start labeling people you don't know.  

I agree with the sentiment that a rule is a rule whether you agree with it or not.  But don't label someone a "pothead" just because they think it's stupid to make a plant illegal.

December 21st, 2012 at 12:16 AM | The fact that you've been up (Score:0 Overrated)
December 18th, 2012 at 4:09 AM | considering Ann Arbor's (Score:3 Normal)
BlueinLansing
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fairly loose treatment of mary jane I've always wondered why this didn't happen more often with Michigan athletes.

December 18th, 2012 at 6:54 AM | Most do but after season (Score:5 Normal)
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From my experience as a student, many athletes (all sports, not just football) do smoke weed and party often.  Most just do it out of season when they know there is not as tight of scruitiny and are notified of testing in advance.  The day after their season ends is a big night for this.  I will never forget how how hungover/stoned the hot womens soccer player in my freshman Spanish class was the day after the season was over.

December 18th, 2012 at 7:08 AM | A lot of mixed messages that kids get to go along with (Score:-1 Normal)
December 18th, 2012 at 10:54 AM | Marijuana Kills (Score:4 Normal)
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December 18th, 2012 at 12:54 PM | "It's just as bad or worse (Score:4 Normal)
marti221
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"It's just as bad or worse for your health than cigarettes" Um, no. No it's not.

December 18th, 2012 at 4:45 PM | scuse me (Score:2 Normal)
BlueinLansing
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but where did I give a Puritan horseshit opinion on this.  Calling AA's treatment of pot loose is accurate compared to other cities..  its a misdemeanor and is not as heavily pursued to enforce as other cities.

 

 

 

December 18th, 2012 at 4:21 AM | How many more chances should he get? (Score:4 Normal)
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When he's made the same mistake 3 times, it doesn't look like he's going to change. At some point, you've got to let him go.

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December 18th, 2012 at 6:49 AM | $ strikes and you're out? At (Score:2 Normal)
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4 strikes and you're out? At some point there have to be consequences. I would not take his schoalrship and I would give him a chance to graduate. But as far as the football team goes he should be off permanently. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me thrice shame on me. Fool me...

December 18th, 2012 at 8:13 AM | I think you have to judge (Score:3 Normal)
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I think you have to judge each player and his attitude on an individual basis. There clearly are, and have been, consequences for his behavior. It just hasn't included permanent suspension. Coach Hoke and his colleagues have way more insight into whether Will has fundamental problems that affect his team and his ability to contribute.

My hunch is that Hoke thinks the weed thing is a significant violation simply because it is rule that is clearly out there for all to see. But I doubt he believes Will is a fundamentally flawed member of the team--he probably sees this as a simple hiccup that demonstrates a lack of intelligence more than anything. I expect Hoke will wait until after the season and keep people guessing at Hagerup's fate, but that in the end he will be back.

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December 18th, 2012 at 9:07 AM | Consequences...... (Score:3 Normal)
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The problem is he has had consequences before for the same violation and obviously hasn't learned from it. I think of myself as a pretty understanding person, but I don't see any alternative to kicking him off the team. 

At this point you just can't expect that he will learn from the mistake or the consequences because he hasn't shown the ability to do that the previous two times.I feel bad for the kid and wish him well, but I just can't see another way in this instance.

December 18th, 2012 at 9:11 AM | Is this political? (Score:2)
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I think so...funny too.

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December 18th, 2012 at 11:06 AM | I would not take his (Score:2 Normal)
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I would not take his schoalrship and I would give him a chance to graduate.

The appropriate punishment would be to take the scholarship. He can graduate without it, 99.5% of us do. Hell, I'd be ok with him staying on the team as a walk-on. But that scholarship is a privledge that many, many people who would represent the University in a much better light could use. Give that money to someone who appreciates it.

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December 18th, 2012 at 7:33 AM | Most unfortunate (Score:5 Normal)
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But until the laws change, and the standards of the team change, you're bound to live by those rules and standards, regardless of whether or not you agree with them.

"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi

 

December 18th, 2012 at 10:53 AM | "Green butter" (Score:1)
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would still show up in your system and make you fail a drug test

December 18th, 2012 at 11:03 AM | MGoDisclaimer:  This site (Score:5 Normal)
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December 18th, 2012 at 11:27 AM | It's amazing how seriously (Score:-1 Overrated)
December 18th, 2012 at 12:00 PM | Calm down.  I was having a (Score:5 Normal)
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Calm down.  I was having a laugh.

 

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December 18th, 2012 at 4:12 PM | Touché (Score:2 Normal)
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December 18th, 2012 at 4:31 PM | Mother's milk... (Score:1)
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December 18th, 2012 at 8:00 AM | I think Hoke would give him one last chance (#3 under Hoke) (Score:2 Normal)
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I really hope he WILL learn his lesson this time.

December 18th, 2012 at 8:05 AM | feel bad for the kid.  He was (Score:2)
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feel bad for the kid.  He was on the fast track to the easiest career in the world (being an NFL punter--currently ranked as the #4 punter on draft boards).  Kiss that goodbye

December 18th, 2012 at 9:57 AM | Not necessarily. Maybe it'll (Score:2)
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Not necessarily. Maybe it'll be tougher for him to break into the league, but he's got the talent, and pretty much all NFL teams would give him a try-out at least

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December 18th, 2012 at 1:00 PM | well (Score:2 Normal)
umchicago
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i for one hope he gets his shot at the nfl...in 2013.  horrible precedent if he's allowed back on this team.

December 18th, 2012 at 8:09 AM | So what we get drunk So what (Score:5 Normal)
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So what we get drunk

So what we smoke weed

We're just having fun

We don't care who sees

So what we go out

That's how it's supposed to be

Living young and wild and freeeeee.

 

Seriously though. Get your stuff together and get back next year, Will.

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December 18th, 2012 at 8:18 AM | I don't get (Score:4 Normal)
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how this always turns into a discussion about if weed should or should not be a punishable offence for athletes. Its notation rite to be on a team, its a privilege. The same rules that apply to the general public do not automatically apply to a team, group, or club. These kids damn well know the rules. From a middle school level and up you sign a code of conduct to participate on a team.

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December 18th, 2012 at 8:55 AM | Weed (Score:1 Normal)
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It is a punishable offense because currently it is illegal and frankly is against team rules. We can debate if it should be legal, but even if it was legal the school could deem it against school/team policies. The issue here is the Hoke sees a kid with an issue and doesn't want to abandon him.

December 18th, 2012 at 1:04 PM | There has been one person (Score:1)
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There has been one person that thinks this shouldn't be a punishable offense. Everyone else has said pretty much exactly what u are saying, whether you think the rule/law is dumb or not, it's in place, and all athletes know that, and agree to abide by it.

December 18th, 2012 at 8:19 AM | Glad the coaches (Score:5 Normal)
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Didn't harsh his mellow

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December 18th, 2012 at 8:31 AM | Great you like to smoke weed. (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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